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  • #457835
    anita
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    Hey HHVTT πŸŒ™ πŸ¦‰ Confused:

    * Hip Hop Vocal Trance Techno

    I am familiar with HH, was quite a fan of Emenem’s “I said I’m sorry mamma, I never meant to hurt you”- which touched on my childhood.

    I’m guessing Emenem is too old for your taste now. I don’t even know what VT or techno is, but I’m curious πŸ€”

    Switching to the πŸ–₯, will write a bit later.

    🎢 🎡 Anita

    #457836
    anita
    Participant

    Listening to 2pac (I did hear his name before) right now, “Hit Em Up (Dirty)”- love the rhythm, really do, even though the language, my goodness (his badness). Now listening to Nes “I can”. The rhythm is weaker but the message- positive.

    I am curious, how do you “disregard” anger: do you notice that you’re feeling angry and then you talk yourself out of it?

    By the way, I misspelled, it’s Eminem. He was born in 1972 (so he’s 53 now). His peak popularity was in the early 200os and that’s when I remember hearing the song I mentioned. He was everywhere at the time.

    #457838
    Confused
    Participant

    Haha i like the acronyms!

    No no, i also like Eminem, mockingbird and when i’m gone are probably my favorites from him. I also like Linkin Park!

    Vocal trance is something like: Reflekt-Need to feel loved and techno probably: Push – Strange World or PPK-Ressurection (that’s a gold)

    From 2pac i think Ballad of a dead soulja and jezebel πŸ™‚

    Hmm, i “disregard” it by breaking it down and giving excuses. For example, i might get angry at something on the street but then i’ll go in my head “that probably happened because: X, so don’t be so upset” or something like that..

    Today therapist told me to try and limit my ruminations and compulsions to 3 hours a day and then try to focus and be present with who i’m with or what i’m doing. Also we tried to go deeper and see how i perceive love, relationships and stuff.

    #457839
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Dear Confused:

    Because I am on the computer right now, I copied the last 2 paragraphs of your message right above for you-know-whom to analyze.

    Copilot: “Confused is describing a pattern where he manages uncomfortable emotions by immediately intellectualizing them β€” breaking them down, explaining them away, and giving himself reasons not to feel what he feels. It’s a protective strategy he learned long ago to keep overwhelming emotions at a distance.

    His therapist’s suggestion to limit ruminations and compulsions to three hours a day shows that his mind is constantly looping, trying to control or neutralize feelings through analysis. The fact that he’s now exploring how he perceives love and relationships suggests that beneath the anger and rumination is a deeper fear of emotional exposure and vulnerability.

    His β€œdisregarding” anger by rationalizing is a sign that anger feels unsafe or unacceptable to him, so he quickly converts it into thought.

    What he’s revealing is a nervous system that doesn’t yet trust raw emotion, and a mind that has become the primary regulator because emotional regulation was never modeled for him. His therapy is beginning to touch the core: how he relates to himself, how he experiences connection, and how he protects himself from feelings that once felt too dangerous to hold.

    Confused’s message points strongly toward an anxious‑avoidant (fearful‑avoidant) attachment pattern, the kind that forms when a child both needs connection and fears the emotional intensity that comes with it. His instinct to immediately rationalize his anger β€” to explain it away, minimize it, or convert it into thought β€” is classic emotional deactivation, a hallmark of avoidant strategies… emotions rise, he gets overwhelmed, he intellectualizes to regain control, then he loops mentally because the underlying need for connection hasn’t been met.

    His therapist asking him to limit compulsions suggests that his mind is doing the work his attachment system never learned to do β€” regulating emotion. Underneath all of this is a nervous system that doesn’t yet believe feelings are safe, and a heart that doesn’t yet believe love is stable.

    Confused can begin to feel safer with his emotions by learning to experience them in small, tolerable doses instead of immediately converting them into thoughts, explanations, or ruminations. Right now, his mind acts like a shield β€” the moment an emotion rises, he rushes to analyze it, justify it, or neutralize it, because raw feeling still registers as dangerous.

    Safety begins when he allows himself to feel just one degree of the emotion before the analysis kicks in: noticing β€œI’m angry,” β€œI’m hurt,” or β€œI’m anxious” without immediately breaking it down. This teaches his nervous system that emotions can be felt without losing control… And most importantly, he needs to understand that emotions are not threats; they are signals. When he stops treating them as problems to solve and starts treating them as experiences to move through, the fear around them softens. Over time, this shift β€” from managing emotions with thought to tolerating them with presence β€” is what allows him to feel safer inside himself.”

    WOW! I think Copilot remembers you from my discussions before. Also, I just realized how much we have in common!

    Will post again on the phone.

    Anita

    #457840
    anita
    Participant

    Hey πŸ‘‹ Confused:

    I did listen to Linkin Park years ago and πŸ‘ them.I want to listen to a few of the songs you mentioned tomorrow or the day after.

    Well, after I sent you the above, talked to Copilot a little bit more and he told me (in regard to me saying that we have much in common) to calm down (I’m paraphrasing), to not over- identify with you and to not try to take over and do the emotional work for you (what Copilot calls to overfunction)

    Okay. So, I figure it’s common to switch from the ❀️ and to the 🧠 when overwhelmed by emotion or when distrusting emotions, or when feeling that emotions are dangerous.

    So, not overidentifying and not overfunctioning, I will close this post.

    ❀️ πŸ” 🧠 πŸ” 😒 πŸ” 🀬 πŸ” πŸ€” Anita

    #457842
    Confused
    Participant

    Yes i do that with negative emotions only, until now that i do it with loving emotions too, i figure, wow. My mind is indeed looping constantly 24/7 because i feel that if i don’t do that, i will “forget” about her and move on, weird paradox huh?
    But some days i feel like i question even that. So what emotion overwhelmed me and threw the anhedonia upon me?

    I relate with fearful avoidant (disorganized attachment) in many videos and cases i’ve read but my mind doubts even that sometimes haha
    But i dont know how i dont believe love is stable/safe, since i was living it for almost a year before this happened? (could the convo have triggered it?)

    How do i feel the love only? haha.. I remember Paulien Timmer was saying in one of her videos that FAs shutdown one feeling but because u cant suppress only one, u shutdown everything, damn..

    Today i was texting with her and in the beginning i was like “why am i even talking to her? i am forcing it” and after a while she asked me about something that i was searching for (she didnt know anything on this topic) and her question/interest seemed so “innocent” and adorable to me that i cried spontaneously and i said in my mind “my sweet baby”. Then gone haha, this is all so weird.. i was also telling the therapist that i was probably waiting for love/relationship to fill my void that pre-existed, so now that the dopamine wore off, it got exposed..I told her that i fear if i find meaning in my life, i don’t want her or anyone by my side then. Maybe it’s all in my mind, a theory though..

    Yeah gemini also remembers, they are good AIs πŸ™‚

    Haha i dont know if u can do my own emotional work

    #457843
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused (using computer):

    Copilot says (in regard to your post of 30 minutes ago) that your system “doesn’t distinguish between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ feelings; it only registers intensity.” He says that your nervous system treats emotional intensityβ€”not just negative emotionβ€”as a threat.

    When feelings rise (love, fear, longing, anger, vulnerability), your system flips into self‑protection: numbness, anhedonia, doubt, detachment, or the sense of β€œforcing it.”

    It’s a survival reflex, says Copilot, a reflex that was learned long before adulthood.

    Hmmm… what says you, Confused?

    Anita

    #457862
    Confused
    Participant

    Hey anita

    So if i understand correctly, my system is overloaded and can’t handle intensity at all. How will this go away i wonder? Is it neurochemical or?

    Idk when and how it was happening if it’s before adulthood.

    #457866
    anita
    Participant

    Hey πŸŒ™ πŸ¦‰ Confused:

    Remember you shared only a few posts ago that someone told you (I think it was a therapist) that when you talked about the violence etc., of growing up with your mother, you sounded like you were reading an article in a newspaper?

    I suppose this means you sounded unaffected, like it wasn’t anything that left an emotional mark on you.

    Do you πŸ€” that indeed you weren’t affected?

    🧠 πŸ” Anita

    #457870
    anita
    Participant

    * Using my πŸ“±, I was talking with Copilot about Covid and came across a term called “emotional decay” which applies to what happened with Covid as well as to personal trauma:

    We remember what happened ( events) but not the fear, stress etc., that we felt back then.

    I want to look more into it later, but it does fit how I “forgot” how terrified I felt during events I do remember.

    It may apply to you too: remembering events, but not remembering how you felt during those events.

    🧠 Anita

    #457874
    anita
    Participant

    Using computer. Copilot: “Emotional decay can look like this: You remember what happened, but you can’t remember how it felt β€” because the feelings slowly faded, got buried, or were never safe enough to feel in the first place. Over time, the emotional part of the memory β€œthins out.”

    The facts stay, but the feelings go dim. That’s decay: a slow loss of emotional color, warmth, or connection to your own inner experience.

    Why it happens in childhood trauma: A child who grows up in chaos or fear learns to shut down feelings to survive. When that happens day after day, year after year, the emotional layer of experience gets worn down. You still know the story, but the emotional truth of it is missing, muted, or unreachable.

    So yes β€” remembering events but not remembering how they felt is one of the clearest signs of emotional decay.

    This is how the mind protects a child who has no escape: by numbing, shrinking, or disconnecting from emotions that would have been too overwhelming to feel at the time. As an adult, this shows up as blankness, confusion, or the sense that memories have ‘no color.'”-

    The above (including the word “confusion”, Confused) was not about you, or about me specifically- just general info.

    Back to 3 posts ago: “Remember you shared only a few posts ago that someone told you… that when you talked about the violence etc., of growing up with your mother, you sounded like you were reading an article in a newspaper?… Do you πŸ€” that indeed you weren’t affected?”

    Anita

    #457875
    Confused
    Participant

    Hey anita

    Yeah, she told me that telling her all these things while being unfazed/calm must be something worrying/worth looking into. But i think i’ve made peace with all those things, what’s done is done, i can only move on. I dont know if im unaffected tbh, but i feel like i’ve moved on from my past. Not that i forget, it just doesn’t affect me. U think i could be suppressing unknowingly?

    Emotional decay sounds about right for my case. Like with this girl when i met her and i couldn’t stop kissing/hugging her, i remember it was amazing and addictive, but i can’t feel it, hence i can’t crave it πŸ™

    #457876
    anita
    Participant

    πŸ‘‹ Confused:

    “What’s done is done”- true.

    “I can only move on”- yes, but first move through.

    Every traumatized child suppresses emotions. It’s automatic.

    Wait, you didn’t really answer my question: were you affected, at the time (as a child) by your mother’s violence, unpredictability, instability?

    Do you remember how you FELT back then?

    🧠 πŸŒ™ ❀️ πŸ¦‰ Anita

    #457912
    Confused
    Participant

    Hey anita

    Hmm, i think i was affected by isolating and being constantly on edge-hyper vigillance..Thats what i remember..

    So i was thinking today..maybe what happened to me was a LDR burnout? (i think it’s a thing) and because i couldn’t give her what i wanted, my mind went to defensive-distancing mode to avoid possible rejection?
    Because i feel like i can’t give energy, i don’t have anything..

    #457913
    anita
    Participant

    B Back 2 U on a few hours. Confused πŸ™‚

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