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ParticipantContinued:
Goodbye person, I loved- could have loved you forevermore, so much love in me for you, if you only let me in, if you only allowed me to be with you, with you, together, if you only let me be with you, so that I was not alone, and so that… But you didn’t value me. For you, I was a nobody, a no-one.
I was a nobody for the person I loved the most.
This is the broken heart of a child, no matter my age, still a broken hearted child.
anita
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ParticipantDear IMBACK:
“maybe I should lean on the idea that if we become friends thatās great, and if we donāt thatās also great!“- if you can adopt this okay-either way, mild attitude, that’d be great. But if you continue to overthink, consider seeing a counselor or therapist who specializes in overthinking/ obsessive thinking.
anita
April 10, 2024 at 6:33 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #431562anita
ParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“Your realizations and desire to see yourself is why I want your perspective in my life“- thank you.
“My grandma, I call her Oma, which is grandma in German. She was born in 1942, in a bunker in Germany during the war“- my mother was born in 1942… (this means I am not a Gen-Z, lol).
“I also wonder when is the time to act, and therefore control some of the moment in front of me, and not just let life happen to me, and consequentially stay in that relationship“- with a man with whom you’re compatible, it’d make sense to do both, but with one with whom you are very incompatible (N), do none of these things (better not be in a relationship with a man with whom you’re very incompatible).
* I hope that you will no longer be embarrassed for being thirsty for compliments, no valid shame for how you feel.
“Last Monday I get a text from him in the middle of the day, saying he wanted closure and to talk if I would be willing to get a coffee… The next morning I woke up clearer, my third eye woke up and my sacral and heart had mellowed down enough for me to hear my higher vibrational self“-Ā I missed reading/ talking about chakras…!
“On Wednesday evening he texts me again saying he is not sure if meeting will be good or not because he has nothing positive to say… I also said I did not want to enter a situation where he was only going to show me contempt… He said he wouldnāt show contempt… Saturday evening…Ā he responds with a long message full of contempt. Saying ‘actually Iām gonna passā¦I just canāt get over how much of a selfish asshole you are’… I responded as centered as I could,… He sent another hateful message, then another. He said ‘I read your retarded poem a thousand times‘…
“Then I got home from the cafe and he was at my door. He began the conversation by flustering me, asking me a money question… The same sort of questioning as at the grocery store… Things he said in person: (blah blah blah)… When I speak with you, my sister, my parents, my roommate, truly most people, I find it natural to raise the vibrations of the environment…Ā These parts of me felt blocked in his presence.. I was not able to let my light shine. This is how it was in the relationship as well, I felt dimmed and I couldnāt understand why…
“Over text the next day… He said: (blah blah blah)... after I read this I felt confused, not fulling understanding how that related to justifying his behaviors rather than looking at himselfā¦ does this message read ‘lost’ to you?“- an honest conversation is lost on him. I stopped reading what he said from one point on, hence the blah–blah-blah. There is no benefit for me to try see what a closed 3rd eye (his) wants to show me.
“I need your help here Anita. Because seeing into this conversation is to see into how it was to talk to him in the relationship, it is like he is not fully understanding what I am saying, his responses feel superficial compared to where I am coming from and it is confusing. I feel like talking to him really challenges my third eye to stay open“- bingo! I wrote the above before I read this part. What he’s been telling you under the influence of a closed 3rd eye, facilitated by a chronic marijuana use,Ā has made it difficult for your 3rd eye to stay open.
“When he was at my apartment talking I felt blocked in my third eye. How it was in the relationship too“- this is what I am saying (reading this after I typed the above)!
“I responded to all that, āon the first part, nothing controls youā¦“- in his ear, it’s blah-blah-blah.
“He didnāt respond to this portion… All he said after that whole message was ‘ok’“- my point. Your words were blah-blah-blah to him. And frankly, his words should mean the same to you.
N was meant to be much more than a closed eye chakra and stoned crown chakra. He may be a good person in many ways, an ethical worker perhaps, a law abiding, tax paying citizen, and if he is these things, I greatly appreciate him, I sincerely do!
It’s just that when you choose a partner for yourself, you need a man capable and willing to engage in honest conversations, it’s a must, it’s not something that’s optional for you!
anita
April 10, 2024 at 1:28 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #431555anita
ParticipantDear Seaturtle the novelist: : I will read and reply to you by Thurs morning.
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ParticipantDear IMBACK: I will read and reply to you by Thurs morning (it is Wed afternoon here).
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
Yes, please do put the techniques into practice. I want to research emotional regulation techniques further tomorrow (Thurs) morning and get back to you on the topic then.
anita
April 10, 2024 at 12:21 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #431549anita
ParticipantDear one of a few Seaturtle: I will reply after your next post.
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ParticipantYou are welcome, gresshoppe. I am looking forward to reading your new topic!
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ParticipantDear Kshitij:
“It is true that I wasn’t shown enough compassion and appreciation… I didnāt get the compassion and even kind treatment I required during the peak of my disease“- you needed compassion, you still do. In the absence of compassion, we get anxious (Intrusive and Anxious Thoughts is the title of your thread).
Is there anyone at all, where you now live, who is a friend, someone to give you a hug when needed, someone to smile warmly when talking to you…?
“there was a point in my teens when I began to feel as if I had nothing good in me apart from my academics“- do you mean that your parents, particularly your father perhaps, showed appreciation for your academic performance only, and for nothing else about you?
anita
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ParticipantDear Kshiti:
“I am not able to get why I am imagining myself in such depressing scenarios now?… I sometimes feel as if ruminating itself is a self destructive activity which I partake and maybe one of the reasons I imagine giving up on my own wellbeing is a lack of self compassion. Please guide.“-
– I just re-read our previous communication and we never talked about your living situation. I wonder if you are living with your parents, and I wonder as to the nature of your relationship with them past and present. I wonder, because learned helplessness often takes place in childhood because of parents/ caregivers not being there for the child, emotionally or physically.
When parents do not regularly/ repeatedly express compassion for the child, the child does not practice self-compassion, doesn’t know how, doesn’t feel deserving of it.
I also wonder about your spine disease while growing up, if debilitating, it in itself is enough to cause learned helplessness in a child, even with supportive parents.
Please share about these topics only if you feel comfortable doing so, and to the extent that you do.
anita
anita
ParticipantDear G:
“After working in isolation for 3 years …suddenly I find myself like a stupid puppy dog wanting this girl… (I) feel silly with the way I have been acting, over praising her and wanting to hug and kiss her all the time, I am 47 years old. I need some advice on how to regulate myself and calm myself down.. I see nobody else all day as I work from home alone all week.“-
– I have an image of a puppy coming out of social isolation and wagging his tail too hard, being overly excited, jumping around, bumping into people and things, getting dizzy, being overly stimulated after a long period of time being socially under stimulated.
Here is what I suggest: go out and about every day for a while, maybe work from a coffee shop around other people, so to gradually re-expose yourself to social living. Start small (half an hour a day, let’s say), and increase exposure over time.
Also, incorporate aerobic exercise into your daily routine as well as perhaps guided meditations. Taking a yoga or a Tai Chi class with people can do wonders for you!
anita
anita
ParticipantRe-submitted:
Dear IMBACK:
āMaybe I should just let her goā¦ I overthink way too muchā- for someone who overthinks way too much,Ā it is difficult to let go of anything or anyone.
You mentioned overthinking back in Feb- March this year: āI have searched throughout the internet for answers but this just makes me overthink everythingā¦ Ā I overthink everythingā¦ Yes, (I) have obsessive thinking and it fits well with the description of having the same occurring thoughtsā.
Today, in your second post, you wrote: āItās like I have to plan everything or worry about something all the timeā¦. I always worriedā¦ Do I maybe just need to get a life maybe?ā- you need to solve the overthinking problem first.
very well mind/ how to know when youāre overthinking: āOverthinking involves thinking about a certain topic or situation excessively, analyzing it for long periods of time. When you overthink, you have a hard time getting your mind to focus on anything else. It becomes consumed by the one thing you are thinking aboutā¦
āSigns of overthinking include: * An inability to think about anything else * Being unable to relax *Constantly feeling worried or anxious * Fixating on things outside of your control * Feeling mentally exhausted * Having a lot of negative thoughts *Ā Replaying a situation or experience in your mind * Second-guessing your decisions * Thinking of all the worst-case scenariosā.
The last words in your original post today are āmy common sense.ā- is overthinking helpful when it comes to making sense of things, identifying problems and coming up with practical solutions? Letās see:
very well mind: āWhile some people believe that overthinking may be helpful since it involves looking at an issue or problem from nearly every viewpoint possible and anticipating future events, the opposite is trueā¦
āFinding ways to put an end to overthinking can help you take action in your life versus simply thinking about things that are bothering you. Instead of going over something in your mind again and again, you can start to take the steps necessary to resolve the situation.
āOverthinking is different from problem-solving. Overthinking is about dwelling on the problem, while problem-solving involves looking for a solution. Imagine a storm is coming. Hereās an example that shows the difference between overthinking and problem-solving:
* Overthinking:Ā āI wish the storm wouldnāt come. Itās going to be awful. I hope the house doesnāt get damaged. Why do these things always have to happen to me? I canāt handle this.ā
* Problem-solving:Ā āI will go outside and pick up everything that might blow away. Iāll put sandbags against the garage door to prevent flooding. If we get a lot of rain Iāll go to the store to buy plywood so I can board up the windows.ā
āProblem-solving can lead to productive action. Overthinking, on the other hand, fuels uncomfortable emotions and doesnāt look for solutions.ā
Iād say, IMBACK, that your first priority should be addressing the overthinking problem and replace it with problem-solving, sensible, beneficial thinking. What do you.. think?
anita
anita
ParticipantI may have to re-submit this post if it includes messy print (since I quoted from an online source)
Dear IMBACK:
“Maybe I should just let her go… I overthink way too much“- for someone who overthinks way too much,Ā it is difficult to let go of anything or anyone.
You mentioned overthinking back in Feb- March this year: “I have searched throughout the internet for answers but this just makes me overthink everything… Ā I overthink everything… Yes, (I) have obsessive thinking and it fits well with the description of having the same occurring thoughts”.
Today, in your second post, you wrote: “Itās like I have to plan everything or worry about something all the time…. I always worried… Do I maybe just need to get a life maybe?“- you need to solve the overthinking problem first.
very well mind/ how to know when you’re overthinking: “Overthinking involves thinking about a certain topic or situation excessively, analyzing it for long periods of time. When you overthink, you have a hard time getting your mind to focus on anything else. It becomes consumed by the one thing you are thinking about…
“Signs of overthinking include: * An inability to think about anything else * Being unable to relax *Constantly feeling worried or anxious * Fixating on things outside of your control * Feeling mentally exhausted * Having a lot of negative thoughts *Ā Replaying a situation or experience in your mind * Second-guessing your decisions * Thinking of all the worst-case scenarios”.
The last words in your original post today are “my common sense.“- is overthinking helpful when it comes to making sense of things, identifying problems and coming up with practical solutions? Let’s see:
very well mind: “While some people believe that overthinking may be helpful since it involves looking at an issue or problem from nearly every viewpoint possible and anticipating future events, the opposite is true…
<p id=”mntl-sc-block_1-0-13″ class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”Finding ways to put an end to overthinking can help you take action in your life versus simply thinking about things that are bothering you. Instead of going over something in your mind again and again, you can start to take the steps necessary to resolve the situation.</p>
<p class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”Overthinking is different from problem-solving. Overthinking is about dwelling on the problem, while problem-solving involves looking for a solution. Imagine a storm is coming. Hereās an example that shows the difference between overthinking and problem-solving:</p>
* Overthinking: ‘I wish the storm wouldnāt come. Itās going to be awful. I hope the house doesnāt get damaged. Why do these things always have to happen to me? I canāt handle this.’* Problem-solving: ‘I will go outside and pick up everything that might blow away. Iāll put sandbags against the garage door to prevent flooding. If we get a lot of rain Iāll go to the store to buy plywood so I can board up the windows.’
“Problem-solving can lead to productive action. Overthinking, on the other hand, fuels uncomfortable emotions and doesnāt look for solutions.”
I’d say, IMBACK, that your first priority should be addressing the overthinking problem and replace it with problem-solving, sensible, beneficial thinking. What do you.. think?
anita
anita
ParticipantRe-submitted:
Dear Kshiti:
You are welcome!
āWhat scares me is how I visualise myself while imagining what if situations, how I imagine myself weeping in a closed room shutting myself from everything else, with no desire to do anything for self care or for taking myself out of that situationā what you are describing here is depression andĀ helplessness- the feeling that you are unable to help yourself, giving up on trying.
I mentionedĀ helplessnessĀ to you back on page 1 of your thread, but I donāt think that I brought up the topic ofĀ learned helplessness.
very well mind/ learned helplessness: āLearned helplessness occurs when a person who has experienced repeated challenges comes to believe they have no control over their situation. They then give up trying to make changes and accept their fate. In animals, learned helplessness occurs when an animal is repeatedly subjected to an aversive stimulus that it cannot escape. Eventually, the animal will stop trying to avoid the stimulus and behave as if it is utterly helpless to change the situation. Even when opportunities to escape are presented, this learned helplessness will prevent any actionā¦
āWhen people feel that they have no control over their situation, they may begin to behave in a helpless manner. This inaction can lead people to overlook opportunities for relief or changeā¦ People may be left feeling that no matter what they do or how hard they work, nothing will make a differenceā¦
āLearned helplessness often originates in childhood, and unreliable or unresponsive caregivers can contribute to these feelingsā¦ When children need help but no one comes to their aid, they may be left feeling that nothing they do will change their situation. Repeated experiences that bolster these feelings of helplessness and hopelessness can result in growing into adulthood ultimately feeling that there is nothing one can do to change his or her problems. Some common symptoms of learned helplessness in children include: Failure to ask for help, Frustration, Giving up, Lack of effort, Low self-esteem, Passivity, Poor motivation, Procrastination.
āLearned helplessness can also result in anxiety, depression, or both.11Ā When kids feel that theyāve had no control over the past events of their lives, they gain the expectation that future events will be just as uncontrollable. Because they believe that nothing they do will ever change the outcome of an event, kids are often left thinking that they should not even bother tryingā¦ā.</p>
Learned helplessness is evident in wat you shared back in Feb: āI get flashbacks of what I felt during that time, some examples are āĀ ānothing ever gets betterā āthere is no point of looking for my wellbeingāā¦Ā I began feeling thatĀ just when things started to become better, they went for worseā¦ I began to think thatĀ itās pointless to keep hopesĀ as all I got was traumatic setbacks again and againā¦ I felt thatĀ no matter how much I tried, things would always get worseā.What do you think about this, Kshiti?anita
anita
ParticipantDear Kshiti:
You are welcome!
“What scares me is how I visualise myself while imagining what if situations, how I imagine myself weeping in a closed room shutting myself from everything else, with no desire to do anything for self care or for taking myself out of that situation– what you are describing here is depression and helplessness- the feeling that you are unable to help yourself, giving up on trying.
I mentioned helplessness to you back on page 1 of your thread, but I don’t think that I brought up the topic of learned helplessness.
very well mind/ learned helplessness: “Learned helplessness occurs when a person who has experienced repeated challenges comes to believe they have no control over their situation. They then give up trying to make changes and accept their fate. In animals, learned helplessness occurs when an animal is repeatedly subjected to an aversive stimulus that it cannot escape. Eventually, the animal will stop trying to avoid the stimulus and behave as if it is utterly helpless to change the situation. Even when opportunities to escape are presented, this learned helplessness will prevent any action…
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<p id=”mntl-sc-block_1-0-4″ class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”When people feel that they have no control over their situation, they may begin to behave in a helpless manner. This inaction can lead people to overlook opportunities for relief or change… People may be left feeling that no matter what they do or how hard they work, nothing will make a difference…</p></article><article id=”wellness-article_1-0″ class=”comp mntl-article–three-column sc-ad-container primary-image right-rail wellness-article mntl-article” data-tracking-container=”true”>
<p id=”mntl-sc-block_1-0-60″ class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”Learned helplessness often originates in childhood, and unreliable or unresponsive caregivers can contribute to these feelings… When children need help but no one comes to their aid, they may be left feeling that nothing they do will change their situation. Repeated experiences that bolster these feelings of helplessness and hopelessness can result in growing into adulthood ultimately feeling that there is nothing one can do to change his or her problems. Some common symptoms of learned helplessness in children include: Failure to ask for help, Frustration, Giving up, Lack of effort, Low self-esteem, Passivity, Poor motivation, Procrastination.</p>
<p class=”comp mntl-sc-block mntl-sc-block-html”>”Learned helplessness can also result in anxiety, depression, or both.11 When kids feel that they’ve had no control over the past events of their lives, they gain the expectation that future events will be just as uncontrollable. Because they believe that nothing they do will ever change the outcome of an event, kids are often left thinking that they should not even bother trying…”.</p>
Learned helplessness is evident in wat you shared back in Feb: “I get flashbacks of what I felt during that time, some examples are āĀ ānothing ever gets betterā āthere is no point of looking for my wellbeingāā¦Ā I began feeling thatĀ just when things started to become better, they went for worse… I began to think that itās pointless to keep hopes as all I got was traumatic setbacks again and again… I felt that no matter how much I tried, things would always get worse”.What do you think about this, Kshiti?
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