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March 21, 2025 at 8:59 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #444301
anitaParticipantDear Robi:
Thank you for sharing thisâitâs so intelligently and beautifully written. The metaphor of a “twisty road connecting the young, insecure Robi to his older, confident self” is so vivid and inspiring. Itâs a wonderful reminder that lifeâs bumps and curves arenât necessarily obstacles but essential parts of the journey to authentic destinations.
I deeply appreciate how you reflect on embracing your sensitivity as a strength. Youâve expressed such a balanced approachâacknowledging where youâve been, appreciating where you are, and trusting where youâre headed.
As for the ego-driven, nicely dressed, fancy-car-loving RobiâI love how youâve embraced that part of yourself too, with humor and self-awareness. Itâs beautiful to see how youâre learning to integrate all parts of who you are.
The most profound aspect of your resilience is your willingness to look inward, confront your fears, and dissolve old ego-based defenses. By courageously shedding these, you’re allowing your authentic self to emerge.
Thank you for reminding me of the importance of gratitude. Today, Iâm grateful for the chance to reconnect with you. Itâs getting warmer here, but still cold and my fingers feel frozen much of the time. Iâm definitely looking forward to enjoying some nature and sunlight too. I hope you soaked up plenty of that sunshine on the terrace! đ
Take care of yourself, Robi. Iâm excited to see where your twisty road continues to lead you.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Psychicramdev:
Wow, this is beautifully written! I love how you described the resilience of trees standing tall through storms, and rivers carving their own paths. Thank you for sharing thisâitâs a perspective Iâll carry with me đż
anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you so much for your kind wordsâyou truly warmed my heart! â¤ď¸ I feel the same about you, and your thoughtful reflections are always such a gift to read.”
Your reflections are both insightful and beautifully expressed. The way you reframed anger as an ‘angry teenager’ deserving compassion is such a powerful perspectiveâ offering understanding rather than rejection.
Your distinction between love as an emotion and compassion as a state of mind resonates deeply. This distinction highlights the idea that love may arise spontaneously, while compassion requires conscious intention and effort.
Your belief in treating all people with compassion also resonatesâ itâs a sentiment the world can always use more of.
I appreciate your honesty about your journey with understanding emotions beyond anxiety. Exploring them through language, as youâve mentioned, seems like such a promising path.
Thank you for sharing your experiences and insightsâ theyâre a reminder of the strength and growth that come from self-awareness.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Again, I will quote you and respond with whatever comes to my mind:
“Allan Watts… said ‘We seldom realize that our most private thoughts and emotions are not actually our own'”- no valid reason then to feel ashamed of some private thoughts because they are not my own đ
“Just as the word tree is not a tree, fear, anger, as all such emotion when felt are not a word.”- using words which are 2-dimensional constructs as a way to avoid the 3- dimensional emotional experiences. Hiding behind words.
“Begging the question is Love a emotion?”- more of a decision and a commitment than an emotion in the long-run.
“I can hear Krishnamurti response to the call ‘that people need our love now,’ â Yes Love! Whatâs stopping you?”- fear. Fear of rejection, fear of being made fun of. I’ll give you an example: as I read yesterday how you ended your post, “I am after all who I am.”- I thought-felt (again) that you, Peter, are cute. I felt that affection again. I then thought of telling you that, as an act of love, I suppose (I just typed “I suppose” because of embarrassment) but didn’t want to do so for fear that you will misunderstand or think little of me. Well, I am telling you now as an act of love and courage. Hmm, this combination of Love and Courage is something I need to think more about. Correction, it’s a combination I need to experience (3-dimensional). Hey, I just did, credit given đ
(Giving myself credit will make it less painful when I don’t receive credit from the outside).
“For Krishnamurti love is… a state of being that emerges when we cease to cling to what is not love. Love as negation… where we examine and discard what is not love (attachment, fear, competition, violenceâŚ)… A topic for another time?”-
– No time like the present, says I: For Krishnamurti, love is the core of who we are, it’s a state of being that exists when the noise of conditioned thoughts (what I called yesterday, OPT) and ego (which operates from a place of self-interest or fear) has been silenced. In essence, love as negation is not about adding more (trying harder to love) but about removing what blocks love from naturally flowing from our core.
Okay, I will let it flow from my core: I like you, Peter. I grew to like you over time and I am happy to be communicating with you!
“Tangent:… In Genesis G_d creates by speaking. In the beginning was the word⌠Adam (Humanity) made in the image of G_d is then given the task to name… Naming often mistaken for big C Creating. (Lead us not into temptation of mistaking the map for the territory)”- the thought occurred to me that naming things so early on (when Genesis was written), equals the 2-dimensional viewing of life, and with it, the absence of compassion (a 3rd dimension), leading G d to all those uncompassionate and unforgiving acts such as expelling Adam and Eve from the Garden and destroying much of humanity and life in a great flood.
I thought about Genesis in terms of G d’s Anger, but not in terms of G d’s lack of compassion.
“I mentioned that I canât recall a time when I wasnât afraid… Perhaps if I enter a hermitage or some sort it might be possible⌔- I was afraid several times during the writing of this post. I mentioned one fear already. In addition, I felt that you- or another member- will criticize me for a post that is too long, too tiring to read and make fun of me by bringing this or that part of what I typed here and ridiculing it.
I just had an additional fear: that by typing the above, I gave someone reading the idea of ridiculing me, something they didn’t think of doing before I introduced the possibility.
I think that I am reducing my fear by typing the above even if my prediction comes true and someone out there does what I fear. Isolating myself in a hermitage wouldn’t give me this opportunity.
“I sit quietly and feel without labeling I notice the place in the body, It sits between the heart and throat. I do not have to verbalize it to know that it is.”- noticing the raw experience as it is, without naming it and without trying to fix it.
“I am as I am. I am done trying to fix myself, more verbalizationâs of memory, the past in the present that never is⌠Turning me off rumination đ Until the next time⌠đ I am after all who I am.”- Funny Peter!
It’s time for a poem:
In quiet moments, I sit and see, The tides of thought, they flow through me.
No need to fix, no need to mend, For all begins where I choose to end.Between the heart, the throat, a space, A feeling lives I dare not chase.
No labels, no words, just what is there.I am as I am, no fight within, The ruminations fade, the silence begins. Not past, nor future, but this steady spanâ
I am, after all, who I am.anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for your thoughtful and engaging reply. I look forward to continuing this exploration with you Thurs morning đ
anita
anitaParticipantMore, Peter:
Krishnamurti, as you know, believed that much of our thinking is shaped by external influencesâtraditions, education, religion, and societal norms. He argued that this conditioning limits true freedom and creativity, as we often unconsciously adopt the thoughts of others rather than thinking independently. For Krishnamurti, true freedom comes from awarenessâbeing fully present and questioning the origins of one’s thoughts. He believed that this awareness could dissolve the influence of conditioning and lead to a state of clarity and original thinking.
What I am getting at today is that if you find yourself ruminating, it has to be the conditioned kind of thinking (other people’s thoughts) that’s taking place. This is turning me off to rumination. I lived too long to continue to think Other People’s Thoughts (OPT) đ
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Adding to my post addressed to you: Yet, to hear âI love youâ when itâs said sincerelyâthose words flow beautifully into the ears of the listener unless other people’s thoughts, like the words of an unloving parent, block the flow, as has been true in my case.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you for your kind and supportive wordsâthey truly mean a lot to me. Itâs comforting to hear that Iâm not alone, and your belief in me is deeply appreciated. â¤ď¸
I resonate with your view on being a parent as a blessing and a privilege. The idea that parenting comes with the responsibility to shape and guide a little person is so profound. Like you said, things would have been very different for both of us if our parents had shared that same perspective.
Your reflection on over-responsibility from childhood struck a chord. Carrying so much at such a young ageâlooking after others, self-blame, and trying to protect everyone while also making sense of the worldâitâs such a heavy burden to bear. Itâs inspiring how youâve come to understand and articulate those experiences.
I love the way you described the comfort you found in your dog and books growing up. Even amidst the instability of frequent moves, itâs heartening to know you had those sources of solace.
Your thoughts on how memories shape emotions are thought-provoking. The image of ‘seeds of painful experiences sprouting’ illustrates how the past can unconsciously affect us. Recognizing these patterns is such an important step toward breaking free from them.
Thank you for your thoughtful reflections, Alessa. I truly appreciate you sharing them and your encouragement. Take care of yourselfâyou deserve all the kindness and peace in the world. â¤ď¸
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
In the following, I am typing away my thoughts as they appear while reading your recent post:
You quoted Thich Nhat Hanh: âWe suffer more in imagination than in reality.â- My fear, as I just shared in another thread, has been rooted in imagining bad things happeningâbad things that already happened. I feel as though Iâve spent an almost entire lifetime living in the shadow of the past.
“All of which I would argue arises from the fear that âwe are not enough.â”- I see that weâve already talked about the connection between fear and self-esteem, so my reply yesterday may have been repetitious.
“How can we stop being afraid of emotion?”- My answer is this: through empathetic, supportive, and honest connections with others. In isolation, fear is the loudest.
“Is it fear of the emotion, or our fear of the thoughts we attach to the emotion and or emotional event that we fear?”- When emotions and cognitive processing feed each other, then weâre in troubleâthis happens through rumination. If a painful emotional event takes place, such as a breakup, the initial emotional reaction (hurt) is a primary emotion. Itâs one that happens before rumination, doesnât it?
“When we are afraid of our e-motions, what am I in fear of? Losing control, looking stupid, being stupid, losing out, not having enough, being enough, shame⌠ego? Ego, yes, but what else⌠Dying? Is all fear rooted in a fear of a kind of dying?” This reminds me of Vi Keelandâs quote: “Fear doesnât stop death. It stops life.”
Imagine if we had the courage to look stupid, to be stupid, to lose out, and to not have enoughâhow liberating might that be?
“Returning to Krishnamurti: âIt is the explanation, the verbalization, whether silent or spoken, that sustains anger (emotion), that gives it scope and depth.â”- Paraphrased perhaps: passive rumination, filled with distorted cognitive processing, is what sustains anger. Anger calls for action, for agency. In the absence of action, it simmers through rumination.
“If the thought and thinker are one, then we fear ourselves, not the emotion or story of the emotionâŚâ- I think itâs more that the emotion and the one experiencing the emotion are one. The cognitive processing, however, is largely the result of cultural influencesâwhat weâre taught by others. Itâs often other peopleâs thoughts that rain on our parades.
“If there is space between the thought and thinker, we fear the space of separatenessâdeath?”- Iâd suggest that creating space between other peopleâs thoughts and the thinker is a good idea.
“Krishnamurti: âTo live without time is really to have this sense of great love, because love is not of time, love is not something that was or will be; to explore this and live with it is the real question.â”- And yet, people need our love right here and now.
“To live without language would be to live without duality, and without duality emotions (fear) flow, and flowing fade away. (It is the act of naming that blocks flow.)”- Yet, to hear âI love youâ when itâs said sincerelyâthose words flow beautifully into the ears of the listener.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Tom:
Thank you for your message. Iâm glad to be able to support you, and Iâll be here whenever youâre ready to move forward. Feel free to reach out whenever youâve locked in a time, and we can take the next steps from there. Wishing you the best as things come together!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Anu_2.0:
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful message. I’m truly glad my writing resonated with you and brought back meaningful memories.
It’s inspiring to see your dedication to growing step by step, and I have no doubt you’ll achieve wonderful things along the way. Please donât hesitate to reach out if you ever need support or encouragementâIâd be happy to hear from you! đ
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
I am looking forward to processing your recent post Wed morning.
For now, you ended your post with “Has a fear of emotions become a habit and or an addiction? If I stopped the verbalization and attachments to the words, what would be left to fear?”- what comes to my mind this Tues evening is the connection between Self-Esteem and Fear.
It takes believing in myself as a worthy individual- no less worthy than any other person- that makes all the difference when it comes to fear. If I am a worthy person whom I have trust in, than others confronting me, or objecting to my thoughts and my positions, don’t have that threatening effect they once had. It’s self-doubt that breeds fear.
When I no longer doubt myself- while reflecting on and admitting to personal flaws and failures- I no longer fear people’s objections to me being me. It’s this fear of people’s rejection of me, their objection of me-being-me, that has scared me for as long as I rejected and objected to me- being me.
It is not arrogant, nor is it selfish for me to humbly trust and support myself. Someone needs to stand up for me, and to be on my side. Why not me be that person?
Back to you tomorrow.
anita
anitaParticipantHi Everyone:
I don’t want to be afraid of my e-motions anymore, afraid of those energies-in-motion. It’s been this internal fear I carried my whole life as I remember it: fear of my emotions. Empathy with others felt as scary, because feeling their emotions (as much as it is possible via empathy) was as scary as feeling my emotions.
How can emotions be so scary (asks my analytical mind)?
It’s that pain, amplified in isolation, amplified because of isolation.
I suppose emotions are calls for action, for agency (taking some control of external circumstances), but when isolated, when totally ALONE with these strong emotions, their intensity- not being extended to action and connection with others- result in the self collapsing under the weight of emotions, emotions too heavy to bear alone.
It’s all about TOGETHERNESS, connection, empathetic connection. A social animal such as a human cannot be okay ALONE.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Anu_2.0:
First, I want to once again acknowledge the strength and clarity youâve shown throughout this journey. Itâs clear that youâve worked hard to find peace within yourself, even in a situation that many would find overwhelming. Your resilience is truly remarkable.
From what youâve shared, I understand the immense challenges youâre navigatingâespecially the heavy pressure from family and society. It takes incredible courage to face these forces, and youâve already proven your ability to stand firm for your well-being.
Hereâs what Iâd suggest based on everything youâve expressed:
* Avoid Moving to Your Parentsâ House- Unless your parents fully support your need to separate and divorceâand are committed not only to refraining from adding societal pressures against you but also to protecting you from themâmoving back may not be the best choice. Being in an environment that amplifies judgment or stress could hinder your progress. Your peace of mind must always come first.
* Stay in the House While Your Husband Moves Out- Propose that your husband live with his family for a few months. At the same time, take the necessary steps to ensure you have equal rights to the house. This would provide you with both stability and security while reducing the strain of living under the same roof.
* Announce Your Separation Calmly and Confidently- Share your decision with relatives in a composed and humble manner. Let them know that you are, or soon will be, living separately from your husband, and ask for their support. By owning the narrative, you can defuse potential criticism and foster understanding. Remember your childrenâs wise advice: ignore unnecessary opinions and focus on your own well-being.
You are not alone in this, Anu. The support and love of your children are a testament to your strength as a mother, and their encouragement will guide you as you move forward.
Here is a poem for you, Anu_2.0:
In the quiet of night, when battles rage, A soldier stands, calm yet brave, turning the page. No sword in hand, no fiery cries, Just strength within and wisdomâs ties.
Surrendering not to defeat but to peace, Fighting injustice for her soul’s release. Grave injustice may cloud the skies, But a hero emerges, steady and wise.
With words like shields, with grace her art, She asks the world to see her heart. Not in defense, but in steady plea, For support, for freedom, for dignity.
Her path is hers, she claims it now, A soldier of life, she takes her vow. With courage unwavering and spirit bright, Anu stands tall, a beacon of light.
Anu, you are navigating a deeply personal struggle with dignity and purpose. Trust yourself, lean on those who support you, and know that your courage is clearing the way to a peaceful and fulfilling future.
Take care of yourself, always. đź
anita
anitaParticipantDear Anu_2.0:
You are very welcome. Iâd like to take the time to read and reply to your message more thoroughly on Tuesday morning (itâs late Monday afternoon here), when I can give it my full focus.
In the meantime, if you feel comfortable elaborating on the “parental pressure” youâre scared ofâwhat it entails, how it looks or soundsâit could help me better understand and provide a more thoughtful response.
Looking forward to reading from you.
anita
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