And compassion is:

Telling the Truth, moving with Truth, breathing with Truth, touching with Truth and talking Truth through the Truth.

Dear James:

You wrote: “Many of you here to say kind words or saying ah darling you are so good stuff or heart emojis stiff… But all is a lie.”-

I am 99.99% sure that you just called me a liar. Did you (I am asking because I have 0.01% hope that you didn’t.

You mentioned İmam Gazali. Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali was a renowned Muslim theologian who (so I read) often emphasized in his writings kindness, compassion, and gentleness as essential virtues. He wrote, for example: “Soft words soften hearts that are harder than rock, harsh words harden hearts that are softer than silk.”. Well.. James.. You disagree with Imam Gazali?

🤍 Anita

Dear James,

I ask nicely to not bring Anita into this. She is a nice person and does not deserve any bitterness from you. So, please leave her out of this.

James said, “Please send who you love the most in this forum a thousand dollars.
And face with real internal demon.”
What is your point? What would that prove?

James said, “İt is not being a liar, because you guys are not even aware that you lie to yourself.
You guys haven’t meet with the devil/you yet. And i am offering to you to meet.”
So we aren’t liars now. We are the devil?? And you offer to meet?
Sounds like you think you know something more than the rest of the world does.

James said, “When death comes, your these squeamish personalities will burn till not even ashes left from you. Surrender before too late.”
So now you want to talk to us about our death and how much horror there will be??

James said, “And believe me, I love you more then anyone loves you. Because, love is not about saying nice words or making feel better, but warning, helping and leading to see devil/mind/you activity.
Peace.
Peace.”
So how do you claim this love? By describing my death and how my squeamish personality will burn??
Then claim Peace??

I got to say that your post makes me feel conflicted. You say you love me then you talk about my death.
So love is not about making one feel better? Sorry, that must be my mistake. Making my loved ones feel better.
So to show my love for you should I just be warning you, helping you see the devil/mind/you activity?
Somehow I think it would make me look crazy like the man in the desert looking for an oasis.
Maybe it is there and maybe it is a mirage??

I say this from the bottom of my heart. I care about you, James.
I have no ill will toward you. And I hope someday that you will bring your mind forward to complete the circle.
You may have found the OX but bringing it home is a different story.

Peace.

Hello,

I am sorry to do this push pull with James. I do not wish to upset anyone. What I wanted to do is to see if I can put a mirror up to James to see if he will see that some of the things he says just isn’t exactly right. Not saying he is wrong. Just not completely right. And by trying to show him a mirror, this conflict came up. James would rather double down on his claims. Okay. As Roberta said two butt heads. Now Butt heads could be verbs or nouns. Depends on your take. I will laugh at both.

I don’t know. But if James is right then at my death, my squeamish personality will burn until there will not even be ashes left. Which I guess must be a fate worse than death?? As far as I know, what is born then it must also die. What is born comes from the unborn. Change comes from the unchanging. Well, that is what I recently read. Must be true since someone said it??? If James says it then it must be true?

I promise to stop. There is no reason to do this conflict any longer as anyone can see that it isn’t helping anyone. I had stopped posting in his threads. He came to this thread after I had posted. Ego must be wanting this play?? I will no longer play this game. Promise. I do not want to upset anyone.

Dear Thomas, Anita and all others,

People speak of heaven and hell as if they exist somewhere after death. The Bible says: “The kingdom of God is within you” (Luke 17:21), and yet people look outside, to clouds, to graves, to somewhere beyond. The Qur’an says: “He will burn in hell who dies with arrogance and ego in his heart” (4:37, 21:98). And still, religions present heaven and hell as distant, as afterlife. Because the mind refuses to take truth seriously while alive.

This is the secret of religion: heaven and hell are promised after death to awaken you, to scare you, to inspire surrender. The mind is lazy, the ego clings to power, to importance, to illusions. So religion says, “Do this now, or burn later; be good, or be rewarded later.” But listen carefully: there is no afterlife. Only now exists. Only this life exists.

If you die with ego, the Qur’an says you burn, not because God punishes you, not because someone outside is angry, but because ego itself cannot survive the fire of reality. Ego is combustible, fragile, illusory. At the moment of physical death, the body and mind fall away, and ego meets the ultimate truth: it is nothing. It combusts, it vanishes. You burn only because of you, your clinging, your separateness. God is not the executioner; God is silent, ever-present, always free.

Heaven and hell are states of consciousness, not places somewhere else. Anger, greed, fear, control, statues, that is hell. Love, awareness, surrender, that is heaven. Both are happening now.

Look at your body. Look at your hands, your eyes, your lungs, your heartbeat. Once nothing, now a miracle. From nothing, you are alive, aware, conscious. Do you see it?

Every breath is heaven. Every fear is hell. Heaven and hell are words, stories, warnings, not geography. Life itself is the teacher, and every moment is the lesson.

The Bible points to the same secret: “What you have done to the least of these, you have done to me” (Matthew 25:40). Look inward: what you do, how you love, how you hate, heaven and hell are here, not after death. The Qur’an says: “We are closer to you than your jugular vein” (50:16). The Self, the Being, is closer than thought, closer than ego. Yet you run, you hope, you plan, you fear.

Drop the ego. Drop fear. Drop the illusion of importance. Dance! Laugh! Play! Life is happening through you, not by you. From nothing, you arose. From nothing, a hand, a heart, a mind, what a miracle. And yet you worry about afterlife? No! The first and the last life is now.

Burn in awareness while alive. Love while alive. The real fire is within, the real paradise is within. Heaven and hell are stories told for awakening. The moment you drop ego, heaven is here, hell vanishes, and the miracle of Being shines.

Silence. Laughter. Freedom. This is life. This is the first. This is the last.

Therefore, evil is you. You ask why god creates suffering, god doesn’t create suffering, you do. You cling to something that you don’t own, which is the body and mind. Therefore, evil is you, all selfishness, judgement, anger, fear arises as you for loosing the pleasure of the body and mind. Including your family. You claim to own the body and mind therefore related one’s as family, friends etc…

So, god is not in the sky that waiting for you to punish. But, the Truth that you will face with death that body and mind are never yours or never you. Therefore, with death not even ashes will be left from you.

I love you more than even your family. Because, I am against all you to respect me, support me, telling nic words to be on my side or agreeing me.

All i offer you to Truth.

That’s all.

And hurts.

Peace.

Hi James,

I think you’re knocking on an open door, or perhaps addressing the wrong audience, since I don’t believe that anyone of us here believes that God is in the sky, and that heaven and hell are physical places that one goes to after death.

religions present heaven and hell as distant, as afterlife.

Yes, some religions present it like that, but people on this forum, as much as I could notice, don’t adhere to such a belief system.

Ego is combustible, fragile, illusory.

Totally true. But there is also the true self, the divine self in all of us. Because God created us with that spark. That’s why “The kingdom of God is within you”, as you say. That to me is our divine self, our true self, which is different than the ego. And there are certain qualities of our true self, which are even proven by research and align with spiritual teachings. Those are:

Calm, Curiosity, Compassion, Clarity, Confidence, Courage, Creativity, Connectedness

In the Bible, the 2 greatest commandments are:

1. Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength;
2. Love your neighbor as yourself

Compassion is a form of love. We’re exercising (or trying to exercise) compassion for ourselves and each other on this forum. Are you saying we’re going against God’s Truth?

Therefore, evil is you. You ask why god creates suffering, god doesn’t create suffering, you do.

I personally don’t believe that God creates suffering. I’m always trying to understand how I might have contributed to certain physical ailments that I suffer from. I’m always self-examining and self-reflecting, never blaming God.

Therefore, evil is you, all selfishness, judgement, anger, fear arises as you for loosing the pleasure of the body and mind. Including your family. You claim to own the body and mind therefore related one’s as family, friends etc…

You’re saying that loving and taking care of one’s family is evil? You did say that one’s child should be treated like a tree. Well, even a tree needs sunshine, water and soil to survive. But that is usually provided by God.

But who will give sunshine, water and good, fertile soil to a child, if not his/her parents? Who will feed it, clothe it, love it, console it, emotionally support it? Who will be God the giver of life to a helpless child – if not his/her parents or caretakers?

So, god is not in the sky that waiting for you to punish. But, the Truth that you will face with death that body and mind are never yours or never you. Therefore, with death not even ashes will be left from you.

Perhaps there is such a thing as immortal soul, which remains after death. But even if so, I don’t believe in a god in the sky, who is waiting to punish or reward us in the afterlife. As I said, you’re preaching to the wrong audience.

I love you more than even your family. Because, I am against all you to respect me, support me, telling nic words to be on my side or agreeing me.

That’s sad that you don’t want to be respected and supported. It’s sad that love for you means treating people harshly, telling them that their empathy and kindness is nothing but a lie, that it’s their ego at play, and that it will be destroyed at their deathbed, because it doesn’t belong to God.

I’m sorry, James, that you believe that. However, I also know that our beliefs are shaped by our experiences (specially by our childhood and upbringing), and can be a way to make sense of our trauma, for example.

Adopting a belief system that claims that caring about others is a lie, that it’s not sincere and is a part of the ego, and that we should stop doing any of that “lovey-dovey” stuff and just spill out the “truth”, so people would “wake up”?

A belief system that glorifies harshness and claims that kindness is of the ego?

Because this is how it sounds to me… so I’m inviting you to pause and give it a second thought, and consider: is that the truth, the ultimate truth?

Peace.

Hi James,

One doesn’t need to be enlightened to be fullfil with Love. If one shared anything and everything with around (money, respect, helping etc…) as seeing others himself or herself, ego automatically dissolves. And that what already enlightened being.

Agreed. So if people here on the forums share helping, i.e. help each other, and treat other with kindness and respect, why don’t you consider it love, but claim that it’s the ego and the lie? Or for someone to be considered a loving person, they need to give away a lot of money? In your opinion, the only heartfelt gift one can give to another is money, because kind words and empathy don’t count?

BTW how do you know that people on this forum are not donating, either their money or their time, for the causes they consider worthwhile?

Love is not to love your family or child, seen everyone and everything as your family and child. And that’s only way to really love something, not conditionally or doesn’t depend on mine or yours.

We can see everyone as our brothers and sisters, our fellow human beings, but we cannot give nurturance (physical and emotional) to everyone on this planet. However, we can do that with those who depend on us and are entrusted to us: our own children.

If every parent would give love and nurturance (including emotional care and support) to their children, this world would be a much better place, because there would be much less traumatized children, and consequently much less traumatized adults.

Caring about one’s family isn’t selfishness. But caring about only one’s own family and looking away when others are suffering, and even harming those who we see as “others” – that certainly is selfishness.