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  • #454334
    Thomas168
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    I think that is one of the twelve step in AA. Accept the things one can not change and to change those things that one can. I forgot the rest of the steps.

    #454340
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused:

    I wasn’t aware that you posted 3 hours ago until a minute ago! I would have answered long ago if I was aware.

    About trying to calm other people down by focusing on their feelings, do you remember doing that growing up, in the home 🏑 where you grew up (with your mother, father and/ or sisters,?

    🀍 Anita

    #454341
    anita
    Participant

    And you said it’s difficult for you to accept things you cannot change, that it feels “bad and hopeless”.

    Can you give me an example of a thing that you cannot change that makes you feel bad and hopeless?

    To me, it brings relief to accept and stop fighting/ resisting what I cannot change.

    🀍 πŸŒ™ πŸ€” Anita

    #454368
    Confused
    Participant

    @thomas, what is the AA?


    @anita

    Its ok i wasnt home either πŸ™‚

    Yes i would do that sometimes. I would put myself down to please others.

    For example how im feeling right now. I feel depressed/depleted/empty. I want to be like before.

    #454369
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused:

    I think I’m about to leave to the local taproom (AA by the way, stands for Alcoholics Anonymous). I am sorry you feel depressed, depleted and empty. I ask you questions when I do, and I try to understand because whenever I understood myself better, the reasons behind my behaviors.. whenever I undid my own confusion here and there, I felt better.

    By the way, I wanted to ask you: you mentioned that you are disorganized attached. What caused this attachment for you?

    (If I’m out, I’ll be back in a few hours).

     🀍 Anita

    #454372
    Confused
    Participant

    Thank you πŸ™‚

    Local taproom? What is this? (oh okay i didnt think of that). I understand, i appreciate your replies, they might help me out too πŸ™‚

    Oh i dont know really. My guess would be chaotic house and relationships? I notice that i am anxious towards my relationships, avoidant when sensing rejection and completely avoidant towards my family/friends.

    #454373
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused:

    Local taproom is where people come together for company and alcohol, alcohol not being heavy duty alcohol drinks like whiskey, vodka and whatnot, but relatively low alcohol drinks: beer, cider and wine (I drink red wine).

    “Chaotic house”, you wrote in regard the house where you grew up- that’s where Confusion can be replaced with Clarity as you look back and .. Well, the answers are there, in looking back and understanding now what we didn’t understand back then.

    πŸ€πŸŒ™ Anita

    #454378
    anita
    Participant

    It just occurred to me, Confused, that not knowing what AA or taproom mean, you may not be familiar with the.. alcohol culture, which is a very good πŸ‘ thing because of the so very many deaths and injuries due to alcohol Β²intoxication (traffic accidents, falls, etc.).

    So, of course, I will never recommend drinking alcohol.

    Another thing that occurred to me this morning πŸŒ„ is that consulting AI, the way to support a person who is Confused and Overthinking, Ruminating- is NOT by analyzing the person, asI have done, triggering even more (paralyzing) overthinking, but to simply be a Consistent and Calm support source who will validate your feelings and offer you a safe, no-pressure space to express yourself- to offer you a space where you don’t have to think or feel any particular way, a place where how you think and feel is acceptable and valid.

    A place where you feel no pressure to take any action. To just be where you’re at.

    🀍 πŸ‘Œ Anita

    #454385
    Confused
    Participant

    Hey anita

    Oh u mean something like a bar, i got it now.

    But how can we understand?

    I have been familiar with the alcohol since i was 14 haha, we were just drinking it on the streets.I just stopped because it ruins my stomach now.

    Thank you for your thoughts, i think my mind is triggered 24/7, dunno how to set it at ease.
    Today with the therapist, i realized that when people love me or express their love, i feel it like pressure and responsibility, so i guess i have to re-learn. Also she told me that to her it seems like i have feelings from a “distance” and when the other person comes too close, i dont feel them.

    #454387
    anita
    Participant

    Hey Confused:

    First, I’m glad you had a therapy session today. Second, what you realized and what she said today make sense to me.

    It’s a shame when we interpret love as Pressure and Responsibility (P&R) instead of as calm and being carefree.

    I think it’s about how love was introduced to us as children: something to earn or something freely given because we’re just, well, unquestionably lovable πŸ™‚

    “Also, she told me that to her it seems like I have feelings from a ‘distance’ and when the other person comes too close, I don’t feel them.”- hmm. This is what I expressed to you.

    Because too close means P&R?

    🀍 Anita

    #454388
    Thomas168
    Participant

    AA is alcohol anonymous. An organization for the recovery of the lives of people who were addicted to alcohol. They set rules to live by. I believe there are 12 steps. They are
    1.acceptance,
    2.hope,
    3.faith,
    4.courage,
    5.honesty,
    6.patience,
    7.humility,
    8.willingness,
    9.brotherly love,
    10.integrity,
    11.self-discipline,
    12.service

    Of course, those are just words that represent the rules.
    And in some places the rules are more spiritual. Like acceptance of God and opening oneself to God’s love.

    For Buddhist, the story starts with the Four Noble Truths (about suffering).
    The fourth noble truth is the path to escape suffering.
    That path is called the eightfold path.
    Eightfold path are the rules by which one lives.
    A sort of fake it til you make it to Nirvana.
    The path is laid with time spent sitting in meditation
    And time spent with a teacher along with the sangha (the group of people one associates with along the eightfold path).
    The general rules of life to reach Nirvana is called the Dharma.

    Mostly, I think that humans are a social species.
    So, it becomes necessary to find like minded people and help each other along the way.

    #454406
    Confused
    Participant

    Hey anita

    I realized the first thing about pressure, but i cant fathom the other one about closeness. I’ve never felt it before with any other girl (i guess it was more superficial? less time?)

    Yes and how do we change that? πŸ™‚

    I can’t really remember how love was “given” to me. She asked me if i was ever “needed too much” from someone and that made me resent this feeling, but my whole life i was needed by people to help them with different things, until one time i cut it all off.

    I know but i can’t feel it consciously, so how can i “fix” it if i can’t feel it?

    I think it feels like responsibility for sure, pressure idk..maybe?


    @thomas

    I have most of those traits, but i struggle with 1,2,3,6.

    So how does one reach Nirvana? πŸ™‚

    #454407
    anita
    Participant

    I’ll respond shortly to your recent message, but for now. I want to say that it’s exciting that somewhere in the face of this world, a Confused had clicked “Submit” exactly 9 minutes ago.πŸ˜ƒ

    #454408
    anita
    Participant

    If by “yes and how do we change that?”, you are referring to love being freely given (just because you are lovable) vs love having to be earned, love conditional on your performance (educational achievements, material success, whatever πŸ’™)-

    Well, I’ll ask first, is this your question?

    🀍 Anita

    #454409
    anita
    Participant

    Also, in regard to “how can I fix it when I can’t feel it”- what is the “it” you can’t fix? Is it the same “it” you can’t feel.. You are Confusing me, πŸ˜• Confused.. πŸ€”

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