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ParticipantHey SereneWolf,
I am doing similarly, still no big breakthrough in healing…
Oh good! Hereās another one I kinda created from the conversation we had, I am enough, just as I am, and I am worthy of all the good things that life has to offer.
That one is great too!
No actually not turning against me but like fake youj know?⦠I donāt like those kinds of people who just do something for me just because they want something from me. Thatās not love. Thatās simply like a business transaction. For example when I decide to help someone I donāt think I should only help this person if someday he/she can help me
Yeah I know what you mean – when you feel that their kindness is not sincere, but it comes with an expectation of you doing them a favor in the future, of giving them something in return. Yes, I’ve met such people. Don’t like them either…
Yes Iām keeping my cool but like you said sometimes Iām just boiling inside
Right, you seem “calm and composed”, but that’s because you’re good at controlling yourself and not letting it show. But inside, you feel very angry. As I said, I think a part of that anger isn’t related to the actual person standing in front of you, but it’s the anger at your father… and so you overreact (internally) to the person, although it doesn’t show on the outside. Or at least it’s not so obvious…
Ah right itās been a while since I did journaling, I should start this good habit. But for this setting I should just write down what I feel and how can I make it better?
There is this youtube channel that I like, called the Crappy Childhood Fairy, which is focused on healing from C-PTSD. And she teaches a method of daily journaling, which she calls “The Daily Practice.” The video describing it is titled “Calm Anxiety – Learn this simple technique 15 minutes“. She explains how she writes down all her fears and resentments, meditates on it a little, and then she asks God (for those who believe) to remove them. Or for non-believers, they can say they are ready to release those fears and resentments.
I do it a little differently, but I do write things down, and usually have some insight about what’s behind my fear or resentment, and it makes me feel better.
Oh right you explained it very well. So I just need to make myself feel worthy again?
Yes, you’d need to really accept that you are worthy, special and unique. That you have gifts and talents, and that your contribution is important and valuable. That you and your contribution matter. That you are important.
Do you think you could do it, or you still have doubts?
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ParticipantHi Ocean Shayan,
Thank you for your kind offer, but I wouldn’t like to engage in distant healing at this point. But thank you for your good wishes! I wish the same to you, both in your life and your reiki practice!
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
oh I see, he’s thinking of moving to Portugal… It might be a challenge, but it doesn’t mean it has to be over between you two. It’s great you’re communicating about it and that his feelings haven’t changed. That’s the most important.
So my advice is not to freak out and run away from him. My advice is to actually have that trip to Portugal in June, maybe a prolonged one (if you could stay for at least a couple of weeks or even longer?), and see how you feel with him, how things are progressing, how you feel about a future together… Because Portugal is beautiful, you know š I’ve been there and it’s amazing, so who knows, maybe you decide to move there too?
I wouldn’t exclude anything at this point, but would give myself a chance to explore, to see what the future brings…
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ParticipantHi Adam,
I hope you’re doing fine. I’ve been watching videos by one my favorite youtube coaches, and I’ve come across a video that almost exactly describes your situation. The title is “When traumatized people can’t love you: what to do“, and it’s on the channel called Crappy Childhood Fairy. She gave some really good advice, and I thought it may be useful to you too.
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ParticipantHi Ocean Shayan,
well, unfortunately not everything is good in my life at the moment, since I am suffering from some health issues, which are turning chronic, so it’s giving me a hard time. But I hope I’ll be able to get better sooner than later….
Good to hear you are interested in reiki. Are you using it for your own healing?
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ParticipantDear Ocean Shayan,
I noticed an omission in my sentence. It should have read like this:
I am sorry it ended like that, but also glad that you found love again, got married and have a child. Congratulations!
I guess you’ve figured it out, but just want to make sure…
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
Nothing new happened just that we donāt talk as much as I would like.
Is it because he’s busy? Have you told him you’d like to talk more frequently? Btw how often do you talk?
Cuz i donāt have control over it and I donāt know if he is just gonna forget about me. If he was still working here i donāt think my anxiety would be so bad, cuz then i would know that he was definitly coming back. But with hus new job having head quaters in Portugal where he has lived before and he even has family there.
I see it’s hard for you, and I think it’s the fear of abandonment and rejection coming up. And it’s probably the same kind of fear you grew up with…Perhaps it could help if you had a doll or a fluffy animal who represents you as a child, and to just hold and caress that doll, and tell her you are with her and that everything will be fine. The idea is to stay in touch with your inner child and soothe her.
And also, talk to him, tell him you miss him, be open about it. You’ve got nothing to lose if you’re open about it – and much to win.
Let me know how it is going…
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ParticipantHi SereneWolf,
continuing about your girlfriend’s recent admission…
I know but Iām not disappointed because I wasnāt much attached, I didnāt ask if her ex left her, or she left him
Well I know itās not really normal, but I feel good like Iām saved from emotional frustration and etc. Like how Americans say āDodged a bullet?ā Idk if itās relevant here
Yeah, that’s your avoidant attachment style. You keep a distance, you put on a guard, you don’t allow yourself to get too close… In this situation now it might be useful, since the girl still has feelings for her ex. And it doesn’t leave you too affected emotionally, in fact you feel a sense of relief…
She wasnāt surprised she already sees me as someone whoās āCalm and composedā She told me this in our first date and I said Itās what you see but I do have anxiety like some other peopleā¦
Even this time she told me ā you seem not agitated about this at all. I just asked her reversibly do you really want me to?
And yet still she kissed me good before she left with little sighā¦
I guess she is disappointed a little that you are so “calm and composed” about not having her in your life. That you don’t love her and miss her more. That’s what the sigh means, I guess…
I guess I didnāt told you, Remember when she came to my place and cooked for me? Well that night after dinner we went on my terrace for stargazing, and we were talking and she was about to tell me I love you, I just shushed her and told her that, letās take it slowly and kinda also sarcastically said itās the āmild breezeā talking
Yeah, you stopped her from expressing her love, I guess because you didn’t want to express it to her either? You were afraid of deep emotions. And also, perhaps the belief that “I am hard to love” was still present in you a little, so how could she possibly say that she loves you – it must be the breeze and the stars…?
It could be that she agreed to give her ex another chance because she is missing more “attachment” from you, more eagerness to be with her? I am not saying it is your fault that she is conflicted, but it could be that she feels she’s not important enough to you, and this contributed to her conflict? Has she ever complained about your emotional “coolness”/reservedness till now?
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ParticipantHey SereneWolf,
Thanks a lot for clear and stepwise guidance! itās much clearer to me and yeah, I do like āIām easy to loveā affirmation more, Because I started to believe that somewhat
You’re welcome! I am glad you’ve started to believe that you are easy to love, and that you’ll be using that affirmation. I love that affirmation btw, I think it’s very powerful.
Hmm currently Passive aggressive and love bombing comes to my mind.
Thereās another thing though.. I guess in past I may took some things as love bombing even though they were being genuine. Because itās been hard for me to take compliments (Even from my gfs)
Yeah, it could be that some of the positive attention and praise you’ve received was genuine, but you didn’t register it as such, because you believed you were hard to love… so you didn’t believe them.
Love bombing is usually used by narcissistic people as a way to hook you in, to “catch” you. Once they succeed, they become very different, they start controlling you, putting you down, manipulating you etc. Have you had such an experience before – of someone first playing super loving and nice, and then turning against you?
[Alright, so you feel that if you were really honest with people, youād be rude and without much empathy for them (or for some of them)? I mean, you would tell them what they deserve? And so you rather donāt say anything and donāt show your emotions?] — Yes Exactly!
Okay, this sounds like theĀ way you reacted to your father: you actually wanted to tell him what he deserved, but you were afraid to do so… and so you remained silent but were boiling inside, right? Nowadays I guess when people remind you of your father, that same anger wants to come out, but you suppress it (rightfully so, because it would be inappropriate to express it to their face).
However, I think that’s why it would be so important to process the anger you feel at your father, because once you do, you’ll be much less reactive with other people, specially in professional settings, where it’s important to keep your cool.
Another consequence will be that you won’t be so afraid of speaking up when you disagree with someone, because you’ll be able to do it calmly, in a civil manner. Or without sarcasm (because sometimes when you’re upset, you use sarcasm, which is a form of passive aggression). Anyway, I think processing your anger will do you good in more than one way.
Regulations my emotions, thatās we are already working on so. What single thing that been most helpful for regulating your emotions?
Hm, I think itās writing it down… I write it down when I am angry and upset. It’s a form of processing, because while writing, I usually get some insights about why I am angry, or sad, and how I can help myself. So journaling helps me.
Okay means I should express this anger to myself first and then therapy? How do I do that to myself first?
You can do it either on your own, or in therapy. If you want to do it on your own, you can write it down, journal about it. Recall an incident from your childhood or youth which was really upsetting, and write down everything you feel about it. Write down why you are angry and how your father hurt you. You can also punch a punching bag or a pillow – that helps to express anger and release it from the system.
Remember, you’re not a bad person, or a bad son, for feeling angry about the way you were treated. It’s a justified anger and you have the right to feel it.
About boundaries youāre right and for so long he havenāt disrespected any of my boundaries tbh
That’s good to hear!
Okay so I know what you mean but my rational my mind always ask me questions when I tell myself things like that like how you could be worthy if you havenāt done something worthwhile?
Because we all have gifts and talents, we are born with them, it’s like jewels we are adorned with š We are all special and unique in our own way. That’s why we’re worthy simply be existingā¦
Iām not sure but I guess my subconscious wants that?
Yes, quite possible, because if we don’t feel worthy, we typically want to achieve something big to prove our worth. Some people even do achieve great things, but they play it down, telling themselves it’s not a big deal, that they simply got lucky and don’t really deserve the praise (that’s the impostor syndrome).
You too mentioned you suffer from the impostor syndrome. And it’s possible, because you downplay your achievements and are pushing yourself to achieve more and faster. And that’s probably because deep inside, you don’t feel worthy and you seek validation.
So actually when you say your subconscious wants it – I think it’s actually your inner child who is seeking praise and validation from your parents…
Thank you so much for always giving me good reminders!
You are very welcome! I’ll repeat it: you are doing a lot, and have achieved a lot. It’s your feeling unworthy that is telling you differently!
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ParticipantDear Katrine,
good to hear from you! Glad your holiday went well.
Yeah, she doesnāt look at me but just stays quiet, and then start to talk to the others when Iām done.
Well at least she’s not trying to talk over you, but waits till you finish. But it’s strange she’s not looking at you while you speak.
One girl mentioned that she does that so maybe i just havenāt seen it with others.
I guess she does that with others too. I mean, she did it in Venice too, when she wanted to walk off alone, or when she jumped in the first train, leaving the others behind. As you say, it seems she needs a lot of alone time, perhaps because she gets easily triggered by others. Or she is more of an introvert and other people’s company – if it lasts for too long – disturbs her.
In any case, it doesn’t seem like anything to do with you, but really, just her personality and perhaps her sensitivity. I guess you have to accept her as she is…
Yes, hard work paying off. Iām back at my normal shifts and that is really good.
Happy to hear that!
Now I hope to plan A trip to Portugal to visit my guy. I would feel a lot less anxious if Iām sure that he still wants me to come and visit. Being seperated is hard for me, I really miss him.
Are you in touch with him? Are there any signs that he might have changed his mind, or you’re overthinking?
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ParticipantDear Ocean Shayan,
you are welcome, and thank you for your kind words!
I got divorced from my first wife within a month of this āAngelic guyā coming to my house. He also gave reasons for my wifeās walking away saying God was āagainstā me and he said it was actually Buddha who was speaking through him.
Does it mean his words reassured your ex wife that she should divorce you? I am sorry it ended like that, but also that you found love again, got married and have a child. Congratulations!
It’s also good that you’ve bounced back after the financial losses during covid.
Good to hear you’re exercising regularly. It’s interesting what you’ve noticed that a certain position of your foot/heel reduces the amount of negative thoughts you’re having. Haven’t heard of that before, although I know of the benefits of exercising on our mental health.
It seems you’re doing better than before covid and have a good, fulfilling life. And that you don’t worry that much, but as you said, are focusing on the present moment. Keep up the good work! And write whenever you feel the need!
April 19, 2023 at 1:06 am in reply to: Understanding someone who's recently divorced and not ready #417468Tee
ParticipantDear Dafne,
anita left the forums a few months ago, not sure when she’ll be back. I can try to give you my perspective, and in short, I’d say: run from this guy!
First, because he doesn’t want to date you in public. And it could be that it’s not just because he is not yet officially divorced, but because he isn’t planning to get a divorce at all! Because if someone is really “1 week left till divorce”, a) they’d be willing to wait that 1 week, if formality is so important to them, and b) they would have already been through a lengthy process of separation and estrangement from their spouse, and others in the community would have known they are going through a divorce, so it wouldn’t be such a scandal to appear with another woman in public. But in any case, if prudence is so important to him, he could have waited for a week or two more.
Another worrying sign is that he didn’t want to talk about his divorce:
Did not want to talk too much about his divorce, although I asked a few questions.
This raises suspicion and could mean that he’s not actually getting a divorce, but wants to cheat on his wife. You say he has his own place, which might mean they are separated, however it might even be someone else’s place, which he uses to have some fun on the side. I wouldn’t bet this guy isn’t lying to you to get what he wants.
And third, perhaps the most worrying, is this what he said:
I also added that we can stay friends for now and get to know eachother but he replied that he wants cuddles and fun and that he is afraid of women.
So he is afraid of women, doesn’t want to be friends with you, and simply wants to use you for sex. In other words, he’s not interested to get to know you better, he just wants sex and that’s all.
That’s why I say: run and don’t look back!
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ParticipantDear Ocean Shayan,
I’ve known people who claimed to be channeling deities, angels etc. I even believed them for a while, but then started to see through the scam. They too talked about the end of the world, and the need to save the world. It’s a very frequent narrative. And if your guy asked for money to back his “save the world” project, it’s a clear sign it was a scam.
Finally managed to free myself from his grasp, though he seemed quite genuine.
It’s great that you managed to free yourself from his grip. Even if he had some psychic abilities, it doesn’t mean he was well-meaning and sincere.
You said it happened a few years ago, when you were going through a rough phase. It’s actually quite common that we are more susceptible in vulnerable periods of our life. How are you feeling about it now?
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ParticipantHi SereneWolf,
She says sheās really confused because he asked him to be back together. They were together for more than 4 years, so her emotions are really strong.
Hm.. that’s not a good sign, since it means she still has feelings for him. And that she is considering going back to him, otherwise she wouldn’t want to meet him. BTW, was he the one who left her? Because usually that’s when we still have feelings for the ex…
In any case, it’s not a good sign. But I think you reacted well when you said you can’t tell her what to do, and that you don’t want to force her to stick with you. And I guess you meant that you don’t want to beg her either, right? Perhaps your slightly detached style served you well in this situation, because you didn’t get too emotional about it. You didn’t start panicking, begging her, or accusing her…
But the bottom line is, since she has feelings for the other guy, it’s not good for the future of your relationship. I think she’d need to resolve those feelings, i.e. the conflict and confusion she feels about her ex, before she can continue dating you.
I don’t know how you feel about it? Btw I am curious, how did she react to your relatively detached reaction?
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ParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Nature walk are really soothing. And I guess even more when youāre walking with your S/O. I hope you get healthy soon so you can continue your nature walks
Thanks, that’s one of my greatest wishes!
I mean I know theyāre professional they wouldnāt lash out at me that easily but easily disappointed because of something? Yeah! But yeah Iām afraid of being judged
I see – so you’re on the lookout because you’re afraid you might say something that these people won’t like, and they’ll start judging you and thinking poorly of you. This is most likely the consequence of fearing your father and never knowing when he’ll lash out at you (my fatherās anger was always on the edge so whenever he was around even he was calm I was anxious that at any time heād flip out). Now being around authority figures gives you the same anxiety… because you’re projecting your father into them.
If that’s so, the first thing you can do is to be aware of this dynamics. Perhaps you can also tell yourself that 1) other people are not like your father, and 2) you are easy to love (I mention this because you’ve realized this recently about yourself, and I think it’s a good phrase to repeat to yourself, even in a professional setting).Ā If “I am easy to love” is too much, you can repeat to yourself something like “I’ve got many talents and abilities, I am good and capable enough.” Perhaps this would help you be a little less anxious at business/professional gatherings?
I donāt like manipulative behaviours, and most of the time I can sense when people are trying to manipulate me or the others
Can you give me an example of a manipulative behavior you don’t like?
I guess itās bit of both? One of the reasons why I havenāt been enough emotionally expressive. Because Iād feel like Iām being rude and insensitive to others
Alright, so you feel that if you were really honest with people, you’d be rude and without much empathy for them (or for some of them)? I mean, you would tell them what they deserve? And so you rather don’t say anything and don’t show your emotions?
Well thatās easy to answer as of now. Because you know when some people give you bad vibes even though theyāre acting nice with you? So, I donāt think sheās manipulating with her emotions.
Another thing is that itās hard to know if sheās emotionally mature or not. Because so far I do like her innocent emotional behaviour. Sheās like a naĆÆve little girl who doesnāt like to bottle up emotions like we āmatureā adults do
Good that she doesn’t use her emotions to manipulate you! As for the notion that to be a mature adult means to bottle up one’s emotions⦠well, that’s not really true. It sounds like something your mother would have told you when you were angry at your father?
Because in truth, to be mature means to be able to regulate our emotions, not to suppress them. Remember, anger is a signal, not a solution (Henry Cloud). If you cut off the signalling system, that’s not a sign of maturity…
Self esteem, Being emotionally expressive, Being compassionate with myself thatās what I can think about now
Okay, so it seems you feel a little threatened by her talents and abilities, you feel less-than in some aspects (perhaps in emotional expressiveness too?), and your inner critic would like to sabotage it. Just keep noticing it, and keep telling yourself “I am easy to love”, or something long those lines. If it works for you, of course…
And it took me years to realize that
Better later than never! š
Right I agree few days ago there was this reel on my IG. She was like after youāre healed, Itās really easy to see red flags everywhere. And dating will be even harder because you wouldnāt just settle with anyone.
Well, I’d say it makes it easier, not harder, if you know how to spot emotionally unhealthy people. Because you won’t get into relationships that will drain you and that have no future. Or even if you enter such a relationship, you’ll quickly see it’s not good for you and you’ll leave. So I don’t see any drawbacks of healing, just positives…
Like just last night I had a dream that my father was angry at me and comparing me with someone but this time I didnāt listened, and I got angry at him and told him lot of things that I wanted to tell him! It could be the sign that I still havenāt forgive him and Iām carrying that baggage?
I think it’s a good sign that you confronted him in your dreams. And that you told him what you’ve always wanted to tell him! The thing is, you can’t really forgive him if you haven’t expressed the anger for what he did to you and how he treated you. You don’t need to express it to him, and it wouldn’t even be advisable, but you’d need to feel it and express it either to yourself or in therapy – before you can forgive your father.
Because anger in this case is a natural reaction to having been emotionally abused, and it is justified. Once you express your anger (either to yourself in private or in therapy), you can get clear about your boundaries, i.e. what you will and will not tolerate in the future. It will also enable you to forgive your father – as in not hold a grudge against him, not resent him forever. But it will also enable you to protect yourself from his anger and condemnation in the future.
So expressing anger (in a safe environment) is in my opinion the key to move on in a healthy way, which means: without resentment towards the person, but with healthy boundaries.
Yeah which I think itās really concerning thing to work on
Yeah, you’d need to validate yourself. You’d need to tell yourself (and your inner child) that you are worthy, and that you’re worthy simply because you exist. You don’t need to do anything to earn your worth – it’s something all of us as human beings innately possess. I think that’s the bottom line: if you know you’re worthy, you won’t need others to validate you.
I mean I know what you mean and I agree. But she suggested me kind of things that Iām feared to talk to them I already know their response (Somewhat) Itās just kind of practice not letting my fear of speaking for myself to be grown even more..
So you want to talk to them about some topics that you already know their opinion on (something they don’t agree with you?), and you want to try to explain it to them once again? If I understood it correctly?
Another thing I know my parents did things knowingly or unknowingly. But I donāt want to be a typical American psycho kid who thinks itās cool to have not good relationship with their parents because of the rise of modern business ātherapyā. Because at the end of the day the day they are part the family, and family does matter. And Iām not saying I want perfect relationship with them because I know itās not possible, But just not hateful relationship.
I understand that you want to have a relationship with them, you don’t want to cut ties. And you don’t need to cut ties. The way you can do it – to have a relationship without hate on your side – is to process the anger you have against them, as I suggested above. Which means in therapy, or to yourself in private.
You can write down everything you resent them about, separately your father and your mother, and allow yourself to feel your anger (which is justified, remember, because what you went through was emotional abuse). Expressing anger will reset your system and you’ll be able to forgive them, but also to set some boundaries, that are respectful to you. You won’t allow to be abused like before.
So you’ll be able to love them, but also to love and respect yourself at the same time. That’s the only way I know of how you truly heal…
This week it was my birthday, Iām in my late 20s now
Happy birthday, SereneWolf! All the best to you!
And oh dear I definitely felt like āTime is passing too fastā I mean I know itās normal and there wasnāt any critical voice this time. But it does feel that time is going too fast and I donāt know what Iām trying to get a hold on, World is moving fast, I donāt know why am I feeling pulled down and if I donāt, I feel like Iām missing out a lot as of my age.. I guess we always run for big achievements when we think itās meaningful but after weāve achieved it, It just lost itās meaning.. So itās like a constant chasing something that weāre sure we wonāt be satisfied withā¦
Perhaps you chase some big achievement, so you can feel worthy? So your parents would finally be proud of you and acknowledge your worth?
In reality, you are still very young, you’ve already accomplished a lot professionally (e.g. you are the youngest manager in your company). You’re also finishing your bachelors degree while working full time, and are planning to enroll an MBA. Apart from that, you’re constantly improving yourself, both your tech skills and your soft skills. You are learning how to be vulnerable in romantic relationships and are applying that with your new girlfriend. You are willing to self-reflect and challenge yourself… I mean, you are doing A LOT, SereneWolf! And you have achieved a lot in your young life. Whoever tells you differently is lying big time!
But I know that those critical voices are still strong in you, and this sentiment is coming from them. Luckily, as you said: I wonāt give up. Iām stubborn too
Cheers to that! š And to another challenging/amazing year in front of you!
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