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Participant<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Coucou Tee,</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, I was feeling down because there is no progress with my healing. I am trying to stay optimistic, but itās not always easy.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I can totally understand that. And I really admire your courage to keep going and still staying optimistic because I do know itās not always easy. Are you feeling any better though?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But I think a part of your ācoolnessā is that you donāt actually allow yourself to get attached, because youāre afraid of getting hurt. There is a fear there, and thatās why this emotion (love, desire to connect and bond with someone) is missing. It is suppressed as well, but on a deeper level, I think.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm right but Iām already working on it and I shouldnāt be more rigorous about it now. Right? Or is there any daily practice I can improve or implement or update?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I know youāre not worried about ending the relationship. I mean a part of you feels revealed, right?Ā However, I think you should be honest with yourself and ask yourself: am I really upset that she is not sure about me, or am I using this as an excuse to take my leave? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess the part the she isnāt sure about me, itās just making it easier for me take my leave, I thought about more and I may be craving that feeling when someone is scared of losing me, and even if theyāre scared theyād take actions??? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>On the other hand I know itās unreasonable to expect that level of strong connection if I donāt show her that type of connection or loveā¦ </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I seeā¦ theyāre not criticizing you directly, but comparing you to other people, and then you feel indirectly criticized and judged, right? Do you also feel it in their tone of voice ā that theyāre not pleased with you and expect you to do more?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly! </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, taking voice notes is a great idea too. Have you talked to your father in the meanwhile?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I didnāt. I felt much better after talk it out to my siblings</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, addiction is a very frequent consequence of C-PTSD. So you say youāre suffering from anorexia? I myself suffered both from anorexia and bulimia. We can talk more about it, if youād like. I realized that for myself, anorexia was about rejecting nurturance, because my mother didnāt give me the proper kind of nurturance (emotional), but only physical food. And it wasnāt good enough. I needed to be loved and appreciated ā feeding me and meeting my physical needs wasnāt enough (and my mother thought thatās the only thing a child needs).</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess I was in the same situation. Pressure from my father and grandfather because they wanted me to achieve things which they think is more appropriate for them.. So because of that they would give me more than enough kind of nurturance. But after I started living on my own Iām super aware of what I eat and really insecure about my body image so yeah anorexia nervosa. But also the bulimia except no vomiting. My body type is Pitta, So my metabolism is high so I eat a lot a lot, Yet my bodyweight is still low. My BMI is still around 19. I guess Hypothyroidism may also be part of it but Iām not sure.</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But another thing is that even though Iām insecure about my body image. Because I do think I have to be in normal range weight (Iām not super skinny but like not super healthy looking either) I have to gain muscles, have better skin.etc All the girls Iāve been with was like what we say āOut of my leagueā if we seeing things from that way. Yet still I didnāt felt good enough and it damaged my self-esteem even more?</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Oh I seeā¦ thatās frustrating when youāre trying everything, and itās still not working :/ How is it now, any new developments?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes. Luckily itās getting much better. I found whole new way and Iām seeing good positive results </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You were close to her and now she is goneā¦ I am so sorry.</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Itās good that you cried and allowed yourself to feel it allā¦ Hold on, SereneWolfā¦</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iām not someone who feels alone easily but from that day I did, So I went to visit my siblings and my family and now I feel much better. </p>
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Participant<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Coucou Tee,</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, I was feeling down because there is no progress with my healing. I am trying to stay optimistic, but itās not always easy.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I can totally understand that. And I really admire your courage to keep going and still staying optimistic because I do know itās not always easy. Are you feeling any better now though?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But I think a part of your ācoolnessā is that you donāt actually allow yourself to get attached, because youāre afraid of getting hurt. There is a fear there, and thatās why this emotion (love, desire to connect and bond with someone) is missing. It is suppressed as well, but on a deeper level, I think.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm right but Iām already working on it and I shouldnāt be more rigorous about it now. Right? Or is there any daily practice I can improve or implement or update?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I know youāre not worried about ending the relationship. I mean a part of you feels revealed, right?Ā However, I think you should be honest with yourself and ask yourself: am I really upset that she is not sure about me, or am I using this as an excuse to take my leave? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess the part she isnāt sure about me, itās just making it easier for me take my leave, I thought about more and I may be craving that feeling when someone is scared of losing me, and even if theyāre scared, theyād take actions??? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>On the other hand, I know itās unreasonable to expect that level of strong connection if I donāt show her that type of connection or loveā¦ </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I seeā¦ theyāre not criticizing you directly, but comparing you to other people, and then you feel indirectly criticized and judged, right? Do you also feel it in their tone of voice ā that theyāre not pleased with you and expect you to do more?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly! </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, taking voice notes is a great idea too. Have you talked to your father in the meanwhile?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I didnāt. I felt much better after talk it out to my siblings</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, addiction is a very frequent consequence of C-PTSD. So you say youāre suffering from anorexia? I myself suffered both from anorexia and bulimia. We can talk more about it, if youād like. I realized that for myself, anorexia was about rejecting nurturance, because my mother didnāt give me the proper kind of nurturance (emotional), but only physical food. And it wasnāt good enough. I needed to be loved and appreciated ā feeding me and meeting my physical needs wasnāt enough (and my mother thought thatās the only thing a child needs).</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I was in the kinda same situation. Pressure from my father and grandfather because they wanted me to achieve things which they think is more appropriate for them.. So because of that they would give me more than enough kind of physical nurturance, but not emotional, But after I started living on my own Iām super aware of what I eat and really insecure about my body image so yeah anorexia nervosa. But also the bulimia except no vomiting because My body type is Pitta, So my metabolism is high so I eat a lot a lot, Yet my bodyweight is still low. My BMI is still around 19. I guess Hypothyroidism may also be part of it but Iām not sure.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But another thing is that even though Iām insecure about my body image. Because I do think I have to be in normal range weight (Iām not super skinny but like not super healthy looking either) I have to gain muscles, have better skin.etc All the girls Iāve been with was like what we can say āOut of my leagueā if we are seeing things from that way. Yet still I didnāt feel good enough and it damaged my self-esteem even more?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Oh I seeā¦ thatās frustrating when youāre trying everything, and itās still not working :/ How is it now, any new developments?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes. Luckily itās getting much better. I found whole new way and Iām seeing good positive results. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You were close to her and now she is goneā¦ I am so sorry.</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Itās good that you cried and allowed yourself to feel it allā¦ Hold on, SereneWolfā¦</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iām not someone who feels alone easily but from that day I did, So I went to visit my siblings and my family and now I feel much better. </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>SereneWolf
ParticipantWhy you’re feeling down? you’re not able to take care of yourself properly?
SereneWolf
ParticipantHey Tee,
My cat was missing for two days and just today I find out that she died from jumping from the fence and there was some sharp objects. I buried her. I can’t express how I feel I’m feeling like I’ve lost someone really close to me for years even though it was just for like 4 months. Today after a lot of time I cried a lot. I still feel like when I’ll open the door she’s gonna come.
SereneWolf
ParticipantDear Tee,
ahh, I think I am not a typical case and not responding well to treatmentā¦
Oh I hope you feel better soonā¦
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What kind of expectations do they have? To provide for them financially, or in general, about how you should live your life and what career path you should take? Do you feel that your mother treats you kindly, talks nicely to you, but underneath you feel she expects you to follow a certain path or be a certain way?
Providing financially is okay for me and Iām doing that. But itās also general like my father now donāt tell me things to do in certain way but still kinda pinpoint what others are doing and itās frustrate me a lot like why do you have to care what theyāre doing? Canāt you be satisfied once with what we have? Same with my grandfather whenever I call him.
For my mother sheās just still overly protective (I know thereās some fault of mine as well for this) She literally tells me to lock the door before sleep. Like mom I know Iām not a child anymore.
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Yeah, itās a way to separate ourselves from our fears and our resentments ā because by writing them down, itās like we observe them, we donāt identify with them. So weāre less consumed by them. Which means ā more regulated, more able to think clearly. And also, once we write it down, we gain clarity about what bothers us, and it helps us deal with the problem.
Right and you know I got another idea for this. Taking voice notes like as I said before when I was feeling frustrated after talking on call with my father, I take voice notes to let out that frustration, but my anger is I think nearly at tipping point so maybe I will confront things to him.
Introspection, courage, curiosity, fast learning, openness to new ideasā¦ to mention just a fewĀ Ā But in fact, you are worthy just by being born. For some people, their talents are hidden because they have been abused, and so they may have become addicts etc. However, they are still worthy, they only need to connect to their core, their true selfā¦
Itās like diamonds covered in dirt ā they arenāt always visible, but they are there. Your talents are visible, but I am just saying, even if they werenāt, you would still be worthyā¦
Thanks! And yeah, I agree also since you mention addiction, I think itās also something which is wasting lot of my time. Iāve read more about CPTSD, and it’s also mentioned that anorexia and Technology addiction could be the part of it and itās relatable for me. For me even though when not working itās not easy for me just not waste time on screen for no reason at all.
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I am sorry youāre not getting the desired results. Is there someone you can consult about it?
No I canāt. because Iām supposed to be āExpertā in this. I talked to the people working on the same kind of projects and they are all telling me the same things that I’m already doing. Which is making me even more anxious… But I’m trying to ground myself by not getting attached to the results.
SereneWolf
ParticipantHi Tee,
But anyway, we canāt suppress negative emotions selectively without suppressing positive emotions as well. So if you suppress anger, you cannot express love freely either. Thatās how we operate.
Hmm Thatās interesting, I didnāt know about this
Right now, your ācalm and composedā stance in social situations is more due to the suppression of anger and self-control, right? Likewise, your slightly distant and detached stance with your girlfriend is a part of the same pattern. Itās not really your true self, but a defense mechanism. But itās the same pattern: suppressing emotions, keeping a distance, which you exhibit both in social situations and in intimate relationships.
So I was wrong when I said those are two different things. They are not ā itās the same defense mechanism working in you. But as I said, donāt worry about it, youāre working on it.
So this defense mechanism is like still part of me or just something Iām using as a block for intimate relationships?
Amazing, mature response! You re-stated your current limitations and boundaries, and you stood by them. But you were also kind and caring towards her, telling her you donāt want to hurt her by those limitations/boundaries. And so you are letting her decide how to proceed. Well done, SereneWolf!
Good! I like that you can talk to each other so honestly. Thatās a good sign. I hope itās not the end of your relationship, but even if it is, you handled this very well. Very maturely. Kudos to you!
Thank a lot for your encouragement. I did learn things from you so thanks to you as well.
So yeah, I do like her vulnerability and honesty. But I think her older emotions are still strong. And to be honest I totally understand her dilemma as well but I donāt want to be with someone who isnāt sure about me. So, when sheāll come back Iāll tell her No. Iām not worried about ending this relationship. Itāll take few days but Iāll be alright.
SereneWolf
ParticipantHi Tee,
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well, she wanted to tell you she loves you, and probably expected to hear the same from youā¦ Because youāve been dating for a while, visiting each other, watching the stars togetherā¦ I donāt think itās extreme, but for you, itās too much. Because for you, telling someone you love them comes with a lot of load, with fear of vulnerability, and perhaps fear of their expectationsā¦ Perhaps for you itās like something that would start an avalanche of scary things, and you donāt want it, right?
Well in-person we met like total 5 times only. And yeah so for me telling someone I love them comes with lot of responsibilities (Which Iām always trying to run away from) Because then there are just lot of rules as a lover you know. And after admitting I prefer to follow those rules no matter what.
Hmā¦. yeah, or itās fear of getting hurt? I think in people with avoidant attachment, itās rather the latterā¦
Hmm I guess so, But right now I donāt feel hurt (much)
Well, that eagerness might have lasted for a month or two, and then youād likely get cold feetā¦ I mean, now you were more patient and self-aware than with your previous date, which lasted for only a short while. And you could better control your impulse to run away, which is great! So I think you are actually doing better now than a few months ago, but itās still probably not enough for her, since youāre not very āeagerā.
Yeah finding the ārightā woman aināt that easy. But yeah thanks I do feel like I did good progress regarding this matter
Actually she kind of did ā remember when she got angry when you didnāt contact her while you were at your parentsā place for a week? Also now, she was surprised that you werenāt more upset when she told you about her ex. And even the fact that she chose to meet her ex and is considering getting back with him is to me a proof that she isnāt getting what she wants in the relationship with you.
I am not judging you or anything, I am just saying that these are all signs that she probably didnāt like your coolnessĀ towards her, although she might have appreciated it otherwise, in other situations.
Hmm I see so I guess in some situations I might have didnāt showed my coolness
Not necessarily. She might appreciate someone calm and composed, i.e. stable and not overly emotional in everyday situations, someone who will not explode easily at people or make rash decisions. So maybe someone a little different than her. Someone to ground her. However, it doesnāt mean that she likes when you are being cool and not eager towards her. Because those are two different things ā how you behave with others and how you behave with her.
Yeah so about this, Iām still learning how to express myself and not always hide if Iām showing that Iām not calm with that thing yet even though I am, That would be lying, Donāt you think so? And Yeah I accept itās just my non-attachment towards her talking
So yeah I talked to her If my coolness is bothering or thereās something else? She can share anything without hesitating.
She told me that āWhen I started talking to you I thought youād be obsessed with me, Because thatās how it went for me in the past, and Because I already love you, Things would go much faster between us, and yet I enjoyed every moment we shared together I was waiting that youād break your ārulesā just for me (Because I already talked to her about my fear in relationship) and take steps further, So I tried to do it but you still stopped me and I agree with you, You wanted things to go slow but it did hurt me because no one ever said me No like that. But the thing is that I couldnāt make you feel very attached me and it frustrates me a lot. ā
I was speechless after hearing this! I couldnāt even say anything for a minute. I was thinking like what should I even say to this.
But I said āIām sorry you feel that way but Iām still working on myself, healing myself if I take things faster I worry that I might hurt your feelings and my first priority is that not giving you discomfort or hurt you just because of me.ā
She went on trip with her sister so when sheāll be back sheāll think about this matter.
SereneWolf
ParticipantHola Tee,
I am doing similarly, still no big breakthrough in healingā¦
Ohh you still havenāt found a good doctor?
Yeah I know what you mean ā when you feel that their kindness is not sincere, but it comes with an expectation of you doing them a favor in the future, of giving them something in return. Yes, Iāve met such people. Donāt like them eitherā¦
Sometimes I wonder if itās the same with my parents. I mean it could be just innocent love to their kids. But just because they provided me in the childhood now theyāre expecting things from me?
Right, you seem ācalm and composedā, but thatās because youāre good at controlling yourself and not letting it show. But inside, you feel very angry. As I said, I think a part of that anger isnāt related to the actual person standing in front of you, but itās the anger at your fatherā¦ and so you overreact (internally) to the person, although it doesnāt show on the outside. Or at least itās not so obviousā¦
Yeah thatās right
There is this youtube channel that I like, called the Crappy Childhood Fairy, which is focused on healing from C-PTSD. And she teaches a method of daily journaling, which she calls āThe Daily Practice.ā The video describing it is titled āCalm Anxiety ā Learn this simple technique 15 minutesā. She explains how she writes down all her fears and resentments, meditates on it a little, and then she asks God (for those who believe) to remove them. Or for non-believers, they can say they are ready to release those fears and resentments.
I do it a little differently, but I do write things down, and usually have some insight about whatās behind my fear or resentment, and it makes me feel better.
Iāve watched the video and it seems really on point so basically the idea is just putting down your negative thoughts on paper because PTSD mind is mostly dysregulated. Right?
Also she said anyone who gone thorough abuse would most probably have dysregulated mind and therefore symptoms of C-PTSD
I also took her free test for today and now Iām more firm that I may have C-PTSD
Iāve just tried the method today and Iām kind of feeling like less weight of fears already. I’m also trying to find insights, but I guess I’m just tired today.
Do you think you could do it, or you still have doubts?
Well currently Iām just trying affirmations but the thing is that Iām not used to tell myself nicer things, so I have to dig deeper and find my unique and skills and abilities.
I took time to write because I was busy and frustrated with work, I think I’m still very much of a result-driven person. Because I’m working on this project for so long trying different strategies but getting the same result and less efficient. It’s really making me feel down and questioning my abilities.
SereneWolf
ParticipantYeah, thatās your avoidant attachment style. You keep a distance, you put on a guard, you donāt allow yourself to get too closeā¦ In this situation now it might be useful, since the girl still has feelings for her ex. And it doesnāt leave you too affected emotionally, in fact you feel a sense of reliefā¦
Well I think I did put my guard down, and I did felt close to her. But not like what we could say heavily attached? But yeah I do feel sense of relief
I guess she is disappointed a little that you are so ācalm and composedā about not having her in your life. That you donāt love her and miss her more. Thatās what the sigh means, I guessā¦
I guess youāre right. She wants extreme kind of love but now that Iām much aware Iām taking things slowly
Yeah, you stopped her from expressing her love, I guess because you didnāt want to express it to her either? You were afraid of deep emotions. And also, perhaps the belief that āI am hard to loveā was still present in you a little, so how could she possibly say that she loves you ā it must be the breeze and the starsā¦?
It could be that she agreed to give her ex another chance because she is missing more āattachmentā from you, more eagerness to be with her? I am not saying it is your fault that she is conflicted, but it could be that she feels sheās not important enough to you, and this contributed to her conflict? Has she ever complained about your emotional ācoolnessā/reservedness till now?
I mean like we discussed I was already anxious and afraid of taking things so fast.
I guess thatās why I stopped her from expressing her love, and I donāt know Iām just believe in slow love more? Like aging wine. It gets better, In No rush.
If sheād met me few month ago, sheād get exactly what she wants. More attachments and eagerness haha
And No She never complained about my emotional ācoolnessā/reservedness only praised it many times.
But like I told you before sheās like a high school girl she just feels āa lotā so itās obvious that she wants someone like that?
So I talked to her this evening. She and her ex had a meeting and apparently, He wants her back and she said heās not like before (Which I doubt it somewhat) sheās still feeling conflicted but she said she donāt want to cut ties with meā¦So she didnāt gave him any answer and told him to waitā¦
So I told her take her time, Iāll support her decision.
SereneWolf
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, thatās your avoidant attachment style. You keep a distance, you put on a guard, you donāt allow yourself to get too closeā¦ In this situation now it might be useful, since the girl still has feelings for her ex. And it doesnāt leave you too affected emotionally, in fact you feel a sense of reliefā¦</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Well I think I did put my guard down, and I did felt close to her. But not like what we could say heavily attached? But yeah I do feel sense of relief </p>
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<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess she is disappointed a little that you are so ācalm and composedā about not having her in your life. That you donāt love her and miss her more. Thatās what the sigh means, I guessā¦</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess youāre right. She wants extreme kind of love but now that Iām much aware Iām taking things slowly </p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, you stopped her from expressing her love, I guess because you didnāt want to express it to her either? You were afraid of deep emotions. And also, perhaps the belief that āI am hard to loveā was still present in you a little, so how could she possibly say that she loves you ā it must be the breeze and the starsā¦?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It could be that she agreed to give her ex another chance because she is missing more āattachmentā from you, more eagerness to be with her? I am not saying it is your fault that she is conflicted, but it could be that she feels sheās not important enough to you, and this contributed to her conflict? Has she ever complained about your emotional ācoolnessā/reservedness till now?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I mean like we discussed I was already anxious and afraid of taking things so fast. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess thatās why I stopped her from expressing her love, and I donāt know Iām just believe in slow love more? Like aging wine. It gets better, In No rush.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>If sheād met me few month ago, sheād get exactly what she wants. More attachments and eagerness haha </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>And No She never complained about my emotional ācoolnessā/reservedness only praised it many times.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But like I told you before sheās like a high school girl she just feels āa lotā so itās obvious that she wants someone like that? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I talked to her this evening. She and her ex had a meeting and apparently, He wants her back and she said heās not like before (Which I doubt it somewhat) sheās still feeling conflicted but she said she donāt want to cut ties with meā¦So she didnāt gave him any answer and told him to waitā¦</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I told her take her time, Iāll support her decision.</p>SereneWolf
Participant<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, thatās your avoidant attachment style. You keep a distance, you put on a guard, you donāt allow yourself to get too closeā¦ In this situation now it might be useful, since the girl still has feelings for her ex. And it doesnāt leave you too affected emotionally, in fact you feel a sense of reliefā¦</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Well I think I did put my guard down, and I did felt a little close to her. But not like what we could say heavily attached? But yeah I do feel sense of relief.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess she is disappointed a little that you are so ācalm and composedā about not having her in your life. That you donāt love her and miss her more. Thatās what the sigh means, I guessā¦</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess youāre right. She wants extreme kind of love but now that Iām much aware Iām taking things slowly </p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, you stopped her from expressing her love, I guess because you didnāt want to express it to her either? You were afraid of deep emotions. And also, perhaps the belief that āI am hard to loveā was still present in you a little, so how could she possibly say that she loves you ā it must be the breeze and the starsā¦?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It could be that she agreed to give her ex another chance because she is missing more āattachmentā from you, more eagerness to be with her? I am not saying it is your fault that she is conflicted, but it could be that she feels sheās not important enough to you, and this contributed to her conflict? Has she ever complained about your emotional ācoolnessā/reservedness till now?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I mean like we discussed I was already anxious and afraid of taking things so fast. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess thatās why I stopped her from expressing her love, and I donāt know Iām just believe in slow love more? Like aging wine. It gets better, In No rush.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>If sheād met me few month ago, sheād get exactly what she wants. More attachments and eagerness haha </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>And No She never complained about my emotional ācoolnessā/reservedness only praised it many times.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But like I told you before sheās like a high school girl she just feels āa lotā so itās obvious that she wants someone like that? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I talked to her this evening. She and her ex had a meeting and apparently, He wants her back and she said heās not like before (Which I doubt it somewhat) sheās still feeling conflicted, but she said she donāt want to cut ties with meā¦So she didnāt gave him any answer and told him to waitā¦</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I told her take her time, Iāll support her decision.</p>SereneWolf
ParticipantHey Tee,
How are you doing?
Youāre welcome! I am glad youāve started to believe that you are easy to love, and that youāll be using that affirmation. I love that affirmation btw, I think itās very powerful.
Oh good! Hereās another one I kinda created from the conversation we had, I am enough, just as I am, and I am worthy of all the good things that life has to offer.
Ā
Yeah, it could be that some of the positive attention and praise youāve received was genuine, but you didnāt register it as such, because you believed you were hard to loveā¦ so you didnāt believe them.
Love bombing is usually used by narcissistic people as a way to hook you in, to ācatchā you. Once they succeed, they become very different, they start controlling you, putting you down, manipulating you etc. Have you had such an experience before ā of someone first playing super loving and nice, and then turning against you?
No actually not turning against me but like fake youj know?… I donāt like those kinds of people who just do something for me just because they want something from me. Thatās not love. Thatās simply like a business transaction. For example when I decide to help someone I donāt think I should only help this person if someday he/she can help me. In the past I had experienced with those kind of people and Iām not fond of that kind of greed even though it seems normal to everybody else.
Okay, this sounds like theĀ way you reacted to your father: you actually wanted to tell him what he deserved, but you were afraid to do soā¦ and so you remained silent but were boiling inside, right? Nowadays I guess when people remind you of your father, that same anger wants to come out, but you suppress it (rightfully so, because it would be inappropriate to express it to their face).
However, I think thatās why it would be so important to process the anger you feel at your father, because once you do, youāll be much less reactive with other people, specially in professional settings, where itās important to keep your cool.
Yes Iām keeping my cool but like you said sometimes Iām just boiling inside
Another consequence will be that you wonāt be so afraid of speaking up when you disagree with someone, because youāll be able to do it calmly, in a civil manner. Or without sarcasm (because sometimes when youāre upset, you use sarcasm, which is a form of passive aggression).
Iād really like that Yes!
Hm, I think itās writing it downā¦ I write it down when I am angry and upset. Itās a form of processing, because while writing, I usually get some insights about why I am angry, or sad, and how I can help myself. So journaling helps me.
Ah right itās been a while since I did journaling, I should start this good habit. But for this setting I should just write down what I feel and how can I make it better?
You can do it either on your own, or in therapy. If you want to do it on your own, you can write it down, journal about it. Recall an incident from your childhood or youth which was really upsetting, and write down everything you feel about it. Write down why you are angry and how your father hurt you. You can also punch a punching bag or a pillow ā that helps to express anger and release it from the system.
Remember, youāre not a bad person, or a bad son, for feeling angry about the way you were treated. Itās a justified anger and you have the right to feel it.
Okay that seems like a good solution.
Because we all have gifts and talents, we are born with them, itās like jewels we are adorned withĀ Ā We are all special and unique in our own way. Thatās why weāre worthy simply be existingā¦
This is something I need to learn to accept.
Yes, quite possible, because if we donāt feel worthy, we typically want to achieve something big to prove our worth. Some people even do achieve great things, but they play it down, telling themselves itās not a big deal, that they simply got lucky and donāt really deserve the praise (thatās the impostor syndrome).
You too mentioned you suffer from the impostor syndrome. And itās possible, because you downplay your achievements and are pushing yourself to achieve more and faster. And thatās probably because deep inside, you donāt feel worthy and you seek validation.
So actually when you say your subconscious wants it ā I think itās actually your inner child who is seeking praise and validation from your parentsā¦
Oh right you explained it very well. So I just need to make myself feel worthy again?
Ā
You are very welcome! Iāll repeat it: you are doing a lot, and have achieved a lot. Itās your feeling unworthy that is telling you differently!
Right!
SereneWolf
ParticipantHm.. thatās not a good sign, since it means she still has feelings for him. And that she is considering going back to him, otherwise she wouldnāt want to meet him. BTW, was he the one who left her? Because usually thatās when we still have feelings for the exā¦
I know but I’m not disappointed because I wasn’t much attached, I didn’t ask if her ex left her, or she left him
I guess you meant that you donāt want to beg her either, right?
Lol NOPE!
I donāt know how you feel about it?
Well I know it’s not really normal, but I feel good like I’m saved from emotional frustration and etc. š
Like how Americans say “Dodged a bullet?” Idk if it’s relevant here š
Ā how did she react to your relatively detached reaction?
She wasn’t surprised she already sees me as someone who’s “Calm and composed” She told me this in our first date and I said It’s what you see but I do have anxiety like some other people…
Even this time she told me – you seem not agitated about this at all. I just asked her reversibly do you really want me to?
And yet still she kissed me good before she left with little sigh…
I guess I didn’t told you, Remember when she came to my place and cooked for me? Well that night after dinner we went on my terrace for stargazing, and we were talking and she was about to tell me I love you, I just shushed her and told her that, let’s take it slowly and kinda also sarcastically said it’s the “mild breeze” talking
She laughed and also said yeah I’m being eager. but that’s a “twinkling” talking.
SereneWolf
ParticipantAlso, so I had another date with doctor, and I spent really good time with her. But at that night her ex called him and talked to her, Next day again we had lunch together and told me about it. She says she’s really confused because he asked him to be back together. They were together for more than 4 years, so her emotions are really strong. and she said she really feels secure with me and really like spending time with me but her ex wants to meet her so she doesn’t know what she should do and asking me… And I said I’m not in the position to give you any advice on this, Do what feels right for you. I won’t force you to stick with me.
So let’s see what happens…
SereneWolf
ParticipantOla Tee,
Thanks, thatās one of my greatest wishes!
I hope your wishes come true š¤
Ā
I see ā so youāre on the lookout because youāre afraid you might say something that these people wonāt like, and theyāll start judging you and thinking poorly of you. This is most likely the consequence of fearing your father and never knowing when heāll lash out at you (my fatherās anger was always on the edge soĀ whenever he was around even he was calm I was anxiousĀ that at any time heād flip out). Now being around authority figures gives you the same anxietyā¦ because youāre projecting your father into them.
If thatās so, the first thing you can do is to be aware of this dynamics. Perhaps you can also tell yourself that 1) other people are not like your father, and 2) you are easy to love (I mention this because youāve realized this recently about yourself, and I think itās a good phrase to repeat to yourself, even in a professional setting).Ā If āI am easy to loveā is too much, you can repeat to yourself something like āIāve got many talents and abilities, I am good and capable enough.ā Perhaps this would help you be a little less anxious at business/professional gatherings?
Thanks a lot for clear and stepwise guidance! itās much clearer to me and yeah, I do like āIām easy to loveā affirmation more, Because I started to believe that somewhat
Can you give me an example of a manipulative behavior you donāt like?
Hmm currently Passive aggressive and love bombing comes to my mind.
Thereās another thing though.. I guess in past I may took some things as love bombing even though they were being genuine. Because itās been hard for me to take compliments (Even from my gfs)
Ā
Alright, so you feel that if you were really honest with people, youād be rude and without much empathy for them (or for some of them)? I mean, you would tell them what they deserve? And so you rather donāt say anything and donāt show your emotions?
Yes Exactly!
Ā
Good that she doesnāt use her emotions to manipulate you! As for the notion that to be a mature adult means to bottle up oneās emotionsā¦ well, thatās not really true. It sounds like something your mother would have told you when you were angry at your father?
Because in truth, to be mature means to be able to regulate our emotions, not to suppress them. Remember, anger is a signal, not a solution (Henry Cloud). If you cut off the signalling system, thatās not a sign of maturityā¦
Yes I remember the Henry cloudās video now! Iāll take a note of this. Regulations my emotions, thatās we are already working on so
What single thing that been most helpful for regulating your emotions?Ā
Okay, so it seems you feel a little threatened by her talents and abilities, you feel less-than in some aspects (perhaps in emotional expressiveness too?), and your inner critic would like to sabotage it. Just keep noticing it, and keep telling yourself āI am easy to loveā, or something long those lines. If it works for you, of courseā¦
Okay Iāll try this affirmations and update you
Ā
Well, Iād say it makes it easier, not harder, if you know how to spot emotionally unhealthy people. Because you wonāt get into relationships that will drain you and that have no future. Or even if you enter such a relationship, youāll quickly see itās not good for you and youāll leave. So I donāt see any drawbacks of healing, just positivesā¦
Hmm thatās a positive perspective to look from
Ā
I think itās a good sign that you confronted him in your dreams. And that you told him what youāve always wanted to tell him! The thing is, you canāt really forgive him if you havenāt expressed the anger for what he did to you and how he treated you. You donāt need to express it to him, and it wouldnāt even be advisable, but youād need to feel it and express it either to yourself or in therapy ā before you can forgive your father.
Because anger in this case is a natural reaction to having been emotionally abused, and it is justified. Once you express your anger (either to yourself in private or in therapy), you can get clear about your boundaries, i.e. what you will and will not tolerate in the future. It will also enable you to forgive your father ā as in not hold a grudge against him, not resent him forever. But it will also enable you to protect yourself from his anger and condemnation in the future.
So expressing anger (in a safe environment) is in my opinion the key to move on in a healthy way, which means: without resentment towards the person, but with healthy boundaries.
Okay means I should express this anger to myself first and then therapy? How do I do that to myself first?
About boundaries youāre right and for so long he havenāt disrespected any of my boundaries tbh
Yeah, youād need to validateĀ yourself. Youād need to tell yourself (and your inner child) that you are worthy, and that youāre worthy simply because you exist. You donāt need to do anything to earn your worth ā itās something all of us as human beings innately possess. I think thatās the bottom line: if you know youāre worthy, you wonāt need others to validate you.
Okay so I know what you mean but my rational my mind always ask me questions when I tell myself things like that like how you could be worthy if you havenāt done something worthwhile?
So you want to talk to them about some topics that you already know their opinion on (something they donāt agree with you?), and you want to try to explain it to them once again? If I understood it correctly?
Yes kinda like that
I understand that you want to have a relationship with them, you donāt want to cut ties. And you donāt need to cut ties. The way you can do it ā to have a relationship without hate on your side ā is to process the anger you have against them, as I suggested above. Which means in therapy, or to yourself in private.
You can write down everything you resent them about, separately your father and your mother, and allow yourself to feel your anger (which is justified, remember, because what you went through was emotional abuse). Expressing anger will reset your system and youāll be able to forgive them, but also to set some boundaries, that are respectful to you. You wonāt allow to be abused like before.
So youāll be able to love them, but also to love and respect yourself at the same time. Thatās the only way I know of how you truly healā¦
I agree with you, Expressing anger in healthier way thatās what I need to learn now
Ā
Happy birthday, SereneWolf! All the best to you!
Thanks Tee!
Perhaps you chase some big achievement, so you can feel worthy? So your parents would finally be proud of you and acknowledge your worth?
Iām not sure but I guess my subconscious wants that?
In reality, you are still very young, youāve already accomplished a lot professionally (e.g. you are the youngest manager in your company). Youāre also finishing your bachelors degree while working full time, and are planning to enroll an MBA. Apart from that, youāre constantly improving yourself, both your tech skills and your soft skills. You are learning how to be vulnerable in romantic relationships and are applying that with your new girlfriend. You are willing to self-reflect and challenge yourselfā¦ I mean, you are doing A LOT, SereneWolf! And you have achieved a lot in your young life. Whoever tells you differently is lying big time!
But I know that those critical voices are still strong in you, and this sentiment is coming from them. Luckily, as you said:Ā I wonāt give up. Iām stubborn too
Cheers to that!Ā Ā And to another challenging/amazing year in front of you!
Thank you so much for always giving me good reminders!
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