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Participant<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Coucou Tee,</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, I was feeling down because there is no progress with my healing. I am trying to stay optimistic, but itâs not always easy.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I can totally understand that. And I really admire your courage to keep going and still staying optimistic because I do know itâs not always easy. Are you feeling any better though?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But I think a part of your âcoolnessâ is that you donât actually allow yourself to get attached, because youâre afraid of getting hurt. There is a fear there, and thatâs why this emotion (love, desire to connect and bond with someone) is missing. It is suppressed as well, but on a deeper level, I think.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm right but Iâm already working on it and I shouldnât be more rigorous about it now. Right? Or is there any daily practice I can improve or implement or update?</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I know youâre not worried about ending the relationship. I mean a part of you feels revealed, right? However, I think you should be honest with yourself and ask yourself: am I really upset that she is not sure about me, or am I using this as an excuse to take my leave? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess the part the she isnât sure about me, itâs just making it easier for me take my leave, I thought about more and I may be craving that feeling when someone is scared of losing me, and even if theyâre scared theyâd take actions??? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>On the other hand I know itâs unreasonable to expect that level of strong connection if I donât show her that type of connection or love⊠</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I see⊠theyâre not criticizing you directly, but comparing you to other people, and then you feel indirectly criticized and judged, right? Do you also feel it in their tone of voice â that theyâre not pleased with you and expect you to do more?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly! </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, taking voice notes is a great idea too. Have you talked to your father in the meanwhile?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I didnât. I felt much better after talk it out to my siblings</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, addiction is a very frequent consequence of C-PTSD. So you say youâre suffering from anorexia? I myself suffered both from anorexia and bulimia. We can talk more about it, if youâd like. I realized that for myself, anorexia was about rejecting nurturance, because my mother didnât give me the proper kind of nurturance (emotional), but only physical food. And it wasnât good enough. I needed to be loved and appreciated â feeding me and meeting my physical needs wasnât enough (and my mother thought thatâs the only thing a child needs).</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess I was in the same situation. Pressure from my father and grandfather because they wanted me to achieve things which they think is more appropriate for them.. So because of that they would give me more than enough kind of nurturance. But after I started living on my own Iâm super aware of what I eat and really insecure about my body image so yeah anorexia nervosa. But also the bulimia except no vomiting. My body type is Pitta, So my metabolism is high so I eat a lot a lot, Yet my bodyweight is still low. My BMI is still around 19. I guess Hypothyroidism may also be part of it but Iâm not sure.</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But another thing is that even though Iâm insecure about my body image. Because I do think I have to be in normal range weight (Iâm not super skinny but like not super healthy looking either) I have to gain muscles, have better skin.etc All the girls Iâve been with was like what we say âOut of my leagueâ if we seeing things from that way. Yet still I didnât felt good enough and it damaged my self-esteem even more?</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Oh I see⊠thatâs frustrating when youâre trying everything, and itâs still not working :/ How is it now, any new developments?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes. Luckily itâs getting much better. I found whole new way and Iâm seeing good positive results </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You were close to her and now she is gone⊠I am so sorry.</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iâm not someone who feels alone easily but from that day I did, So I went to visit my siblings and my family and now I feel much better. </p>
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Participant<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Coucou Tee,</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Â </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, I was feeling down because there is no progress with my healing. I am trying to stay optimistic, but itâs not always easy.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I can totally understand that. And I really admire your courage to keep going and still staying optimistic because I do know itâs not always easy. Are you feeling any better now though?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But I think a part of your âcoolnessâ is that you donât actually allow yourself to get attached, because youâre afraid of getting hurt. There is a fear there, and thatâs why this emotion (love, desire to connect and bond with someone) is missing. It is suppressed as well, but on a deeper level, I think.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm right but Iâm already working on it and I shouldnât be more rigorous about it now. Right? Or is there any daily practice I can improve or implement or update?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”> </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I know youâre not worried about ending the relationship. I mean a part of you feels revealed, right? However, I think you should be honest with yourself and ask yourself: am I really upset that she is not sure about me, or am I using this as an excuse to take my leave? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess the part she isnât sure about me, itâs just making it easier for me take my leave, I thought about more and I may be craving that feeling when someone is scared of losing me, and even if theyâre scared, theyâd take actions??? </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>On the other hand, I know itâs unreasonable to expect that level of strong connection if I donât show her that type of connection or love⊠</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”> </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I see⊠theyâre not criticizing you directly, but comparing you to other people, and then you feel indirectly criticized and judged, right? Do you also feel it in their tone of voice â that theyâre not pleased with you and expect you to do more?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly! </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, taking voice notes is a great idea too. Have you talked to your father in the meanwhile?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I didnât. I felt much better after talk it out to my siblings</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Â </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, addiction is a very frequent consequence of C-PTSD. So you say youâre suffering from anorexia? I myself suffered both from anorexia and bulimia. We can talk more about it, if youâd like. I realized that for myself, anorexia was about rejecting nurturance, because my mother didnât give me the proper kind of nurturance (emotional), but only physical food. And it wasnât good enough. I needed to be loved and appreciated â feeding me and meeting my physical needs wasnât enough (and my mother thought thatâs the only thing a child needs).</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I was in the kinda same situation. Pressure from my father and grandfather because they wanted me to achieve things which they think is more appropriate for them.. So because of that they would give me more than enough kind of physical nurturance, but not emotional, But after I started living on my own Iâm super aware of what I eat and really insecure about my body image so yeah anorexia nervosa. But also the bulimia except no vomiting because My body type is Pitta, So my metabolism is high so I eat a lot a lot, Yet my bodyweight is still low. My BMI is still around 19. I guess Hypothyroidism may also be part of it but Iâm not sure.</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But another thing is that even though Iâm insecure about my body image. Because I do think I have to be in normal range weight (Iâm not super skinny but like not super healthy looking either) I have to gain muscles, have better skin.etc All the girls Iâve been with was like what we can say âOut of my leagueâ if we are seeing things from that way. Yet still I didnât feel good enough and it damaged my self-esteem even more?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Â </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Oh I see⊠thatâs frustrating when youâre trying everything, and itâs still not working :/ How is it now, any new developments?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes. Luckily itâs getting much better. I found whole new way and Iâm seeing good positive results. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”> </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You were close to her and now she is gone⊠I am so sorry.</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Itâs good that you cried and allowed yourself to feel it all⊠Hold on, SereneWolfâŠ</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iâm not someone who feels alone easily but from that day I did, So I went to visit my siblings and my family and now I feel much better. </p>
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ParticipantWhy you’re feeling down? you’re not able to take care of yourself properly?
SereneWolf
ParticipantHey Tee,
My cat was missing for two days and just today I find out that she died from jumping from the fence and there was some sharp objects. I buried her. I can’t express how I feel I’m feeling like I’ve lost someone really close to me for years even though it was just for like 4 months. Today after a lot of time I cried a lot. I still feel like when I’ll open the door she’s gonna come.
SereneWolf
ParticipantDear Tee,
ahh, I think I am not a typical case and not responding well to treatmentâŠ
Oh I hope you feel better soonâŠ
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What kind of expectations do they have? To provide for them financially, or in general, about how you should live your life and what career path you should take? Do you feel that your mother treats you kindly, talks nicely to you, but underneath you feel she expects you to follow a certain path or be a certain way?
Providing financially is okay for me and Iâm doing that. But itâs also general like my father now donât tell me things to do in certain way but still kinda pinpoint what others are doing and itâs frustrate me a lot like why do you have to care what theyâre doing? Canât you be satisfied once with what we have? Same with my grandfather whenever I call him.
For my mother sheâs just still overly protective (I know thereâs some fault of mine as well for this) She literally tells me to lock the door before sleep. Like mom I know Iâm not a child anymore.
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Yeah, itâs a way to separate ourselves from our fears and our resentments â because by writing them down, itâs like we observe them, we donât identify with them. So weâre less consumed by them. Which means â more regulated, more able to think clearly. And also, once we write it down, we gain clarity about what bothers us, and it helps us deal with the problem.
Right and you know I got another idea for this. Taking voice notes like as I said before when I was feeling frustrated after talking on call with my father, I take voice notes to let out that frustration, but my anger is I think nearly at tipping point so maybe I will confront things to him.
Introspection, courage, curiosity, fast learning, openness to new ideas⊠to mention just a few  But in fact, you are worthy just by being born. For some people, their talents are hidden because they have been abused, and so they may have become addicts etc. However, they are still worthy, they only need to connect to their core, their true selfâŠ
Itâs like diamonds covered in dirt â they arenât always visible, but they are there. Your talents are visible, but I am just saying, even if they werenât, you would still be worthyâŠ
Thanks! And yeah, I agree also since you mention addiction, I think itâs also something which is wasting lot of my time. Iâve read more about CPTSD, and it’s also mentioned that anorexia and Technology addiction could be the part of it and itâs relatable for me. For me even though when not working itâs not easy for me just not waste time on screen for no reason at all.
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I am sorry youâre not getting the desired results. Is there someone you can consult about it?
No I canât. because Iâm supposed to be âExpertâ in this. I talked to the people working on the same kind of projects and they are all telling me the same things that I’m already doing. Which is making me even more anxious… But I’m trying to ground myself by not getting attached to the results.
SereneWolf
ParticipantHi Tee,
But anyway, we canât suppress negative emotions selectively without suppressing positive emotions as well. So if you suppress anger, you cannot express love freely either. Thatâs how we operate.
Hmm Thatâs interesting, I didnât know about this
Right now, your âcalm and composedâ stance in social situations is more due to the suppression of anger and self-control, right? Likewise, your slightly distant and detached stance with your girlfriend is a part of the same pattern. Itâs not really your true self, but a defense mechanism. But itâs the same pattern: suppressing emotions, keeping a distance, which you exhibit both in social situations and in intimate relationships.
So I was wrong when I said those are two different things. They are not â itâs the same defense mechanism working in you. But as I said, donât worry about it, youâre working on it.
So this defense mechanism is like still part of me or just something Iâm using as a block for intimate relationships?
Amazing, mature response! You re-stated your current limitations and boundaries, and you stood by them. But you were also kind and caring towards her, telling her you donât want to hurt her by those limitations/boundaries. And so you are letting her decide how to proceed. Well done, SereneWolf!
Good! I like that you can talk to each other so honestly. Thatâs a good sign. I hope itâs not the end of your relationship, but even if it is, you handled this very well. Very maturely. Kudos to you!
Thank a lot for your encouragement. I did learn things from you so thanks to you as well.
So yeah, I do like her vulnerability and honesty. But I think her older emotions are still strong. And to be honest I totally understand her dilemma as well but I donât want to be with someone who isnât sure about me. So, when sheâll come back Iâll tell her No. Iâm not worried about ending this relationship. Itâll take few days but Iâll be alright.
SereneWolf
ParticipantHi Tee,
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well, she wanted to tell you she loves you, and probably expected to hear the same from you⊠Because youâve been dating for a while, visiting each other, watching the stars together⊠I donât think itâs extreme, but for you, itâs too much. Because for you, telling someone you love them comes with a lot of load, with fear of vulnerability, and perhaps fear of their expectations⊠Perhaps for you itâs like something that would start an avalanche of scary things, and you donât want it, right?
Well in-person we met like total 5 times only. And yeah so for me telling someone I love them comes with lot of responsibilities (Which Iâm always trying to run away from) Because then there are just lot of rules as a lover you know. And after admitting I prefer to follow those rules no matter what.
HmâŠ. yeah, or itâs fear of getting hurt? I think in people with avoidant attachment, itâs rather the latterâŠ
Hmm I guess so, But right now I donât feel hurt (much)
Well, that eagerness might have lasted for a month or two, and then youâd likely get cold feet⊠I mean, now you were more patient and self-aware than with your previous date, which lasted for only a short while. And you could better control your impulse to run away, which is great! So I think you are actually doing better now than a few months ago, but itâs still probably not enough for her, since youâre not very âeagerâ.
Yeah finding the ârightâ woman ainât that easy. But yeah thanks I do feel like I did good progress regarding this matter
Actually she kind of did â remember when she got angry when you didnât contact her while you were at your parentsâ place for a week? Also now, she was surprised that you werenât more upset when she told you about her ex. And even the fact that she chose to meet her ex and is considering getting back with him is to me a proof that she isnât getting what she wants in the relationship with you.
I am not judging you or anything, I am just saying that these are all signs that she probably didnât like your coolness towards her, although she might have appreciated it otherwise, in other situations.
Hmm I see so I guess in some situations I might have didnât showed my coolness
Not necessarily. She might appreciate someone calm and composed, i.e. stable and not overly emotional in everyday situations, someone who will not explode easily at people or make rash decisions. So maybe someone a little different than her. Someone to ground her. However, it doesnât mean that she likes when you are being cool and not eager towards her. Because those are two different things â how you behave with others and how you behave with her.
Yeah so about this, Iâm still learning how to express myself and not always hide if Iâm showing that Iâm not calm with that thing yet even though I am, That would be lying, Donât you think so? And Yeah I accept itâs just my non-attachment towards her talking
So yeah I talked to her If my coolness is bothering or thereâs something else? She can share anything without hesitating.
She told me that âWhen I started talking to you I thought youâd be obsessed with me, Because thatâs how it went for me in the past, and Because I already love you, Things would go much faster between us, and yet I enjoyed every moment we shared together I was waiting that youâd break your ârulesâ just for me (Because I already talked to her about my fear in relationship) and take steps further, So I tried to do it but you still stopped me and I agree with you, You wanted things to go slow but it did hurt me because no one ever said me No like that. But the thing is that I couldnât make you feel very attached me and it frustrates me a lot. â
I was speechless after hearing this! I couldnât even say anything for a minute. I was thinking like what should I even say to this.
But I said âIâm sorry you feel that way but Iâm still working on myself, healing myself if I take things faster I worry that I might hurt your feelings and my first priority is that not giving you discomfort or hurt you just because of me.â
She went on trip with her sister so when sheâll be back sheâll think about this matter.
SereneWolf
ParticipantHola Tee,
I am doing similarly, still no big breakthrough in healingâŠ
Ohh you still havenât found a good doctor?
Yeah I know what you mean â when you feel that their kindness is not sincere, but it comes with an expectation of you doing them a favor in the future, of giving them something in return. Yes, Iâve met such people. Donât like them eitherâŠ
Sometimes I wonder if itâs the same with my parents. I mean it could be just innocent love to their kids. But just because they provided me in the childhood now theyâre expecting things from me?
Right, you seem âcalm and composedâ, but thatâs because youâre good at controlling yourself and not letting it show. But inside, you feel very angry. As I said, I think a part of that anger isnât related to the actual person standing in front of you, but itâs the anger at your father⊠and so you overreact (internally) to the person, although it doesnât show on the outside. Or at least itâs not so obviousâŠ
Yeah thatâs right
There is this youtube channel that I like, called the Crappy Childhood Fairy, which is focused on healing from C-PTSD. And she teaches a method of daily journaling, which she calls âThe Daily Practice.â The video describing it is titled âCalm Anxiety â Learn this simple technique 15 minutesâ. She explains how she writes down all her fears and resentments, meditates on it a little, and then she asks God (for those who believe) to remove them. Or for non-believers, they can say they are ready to release those fears and resentments.
I do it a little differently, but I do write things down, and usually have some insight about whatâs behind my fear or resentment, and it makes me feel better.
Iâve watched the video and it seems really on point so basically the idea is just putting down your negative thoughts on paper because PTSD mind is mostly dysregulated. Right?
Also she said anyone who gone thorough abuse would most probably have dysregulated mind and therefore symptoms of C-PTSD
I also took her free test for today and now Iâm more firm that I may have C-PTSD
Iâve just tried the method today and Iâm kind of feeling like less weight of fears already. I’m also trying to find insights, but I guess I’m just tired today.
Do you think you could do it, or you still have doubts?
Well currently Iâm just trying affirmations but the thing is that Iâm not used to tell myself nicer things, so I have to dig deeper and find my unique and skills and abilities.
I took time to write because I was busy and frustrated with work, I think I’m still very much of a result-driven person. Because I’m working on this project for so long trying different strategies but getting the same result and less efficient. It’s really making me feel down and questioning my abilities.
SereneWolf
ParticipantYeah, thatâs your avoidant attachment style. You keep a distance, you put on a guard, you donât allow yourself to get too close⊠In this situation now it might be useful, since the girl still has feelings for her ex. And it doesnât leave you too affected emotionally, in fact you feel a sense of reliefâŠ
Well I think I did put my guard down, and I did felt close to her. But not like what we could say heavily attached? But yeah I do feel sense of relief
I guess she is disappointed a little that you are so âcalm and composedâ about not having her in your life. That you donât love her and miss her more. Thatâs what the sigh means, I guessâŠ
I guess youâre right. She wants extreme kind of love but now that Iâm much aware Iâm taking things slowly
Yeah, you stopped her from expressing her love, I guess because you didnât want to express it to her either? You were afraid of deep emotions. And also, perhaps the belief that âI am hard to loveâ was still present in you a little, so how could she possibly say that she loves you â it must be the breeze and the starsâŠ?
It could be that she agreed to give her ex another chance because she is missing more âattachmentâ from you, more eagerness to be with her? I am not saying it is your fault that she is conflicted, but it could be that she feels sheâs not important enough to you, and this contributed to her conflict? Has she ever complained about your emotional âcoolnessâ/reservedness till now?
I mean like we discussed I was already anxious and afraid of taking things so fast.
I guess thatâs why I stopped her from expressing her love, and I donât know Iâm just believe in slow love more? Like aging wine. It gets better, In No rush.
If sheâd met me few month ago, sheâd get exactly what she wants. More attachments and eagerness haha
And No She never complained about my emotional âcoolnessâ/reservedness only praised it many times.
But like I told you before sheâs like a high school girl she just feels âa lotâ so itâs obvious that she wants someone like that?
So I talked to her this evening. She and her ex had a meeting and apparently, He wants her back and she said heâs not like before (Which I doubt it somewhat) sheâs still feeling conflicted but she said she donât want to cut ties with meâŠSo she didnât gave him any answer and told him to waitâŠ
So I told her take her time, Iâll support her decision.
SereneWolf
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, thatâs your avoidant attachment style. You keep a distance, you put on a guard, you donât allow yourself to get too close⊠In this situation now it might be useful, since the girl still has feelings for her ex. And it doesnât leave you too affected emotionally, in fact you feel a sense of reliefâŠ</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Well I think I did put my guard down, and I did felt close to her. But not like what we could say heavily attached? But yeah I do feel sense of relief </p>
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<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess she is disappointed a little that you are so âcalm and composedâ about not having her in your life. That you donât love her and miss her more. Thatâs what the sigh means, I guessâŠ</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess youâre right. She wants extreme kind of love but now that Iâm much aware Iâm taking things slowly </p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, you stopped her from expressing her love, I guess because you didnât want to express it to her either? You were afraid of deep emotions. And also, perhaps the belief that âI am hard to loveâ was still present in you a little, so how could she possibly say that she loves you â it must be the breeze and the starsâŠ?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It could be that she agreed to give her ex another chance because she is missing more âattachmentâ from you, more eagerness to be with her? I am not saying it is your fault that she is conflicted, but it could be that she feels sheâs not important enough to you, and this contributed to her conflict? Has she ever complained about your emotional âcoolnessâ/reservedness till now?</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I mean like we discussed I was already anxious and afraid of taking things so fast. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess thatâs why I stopped her from expressing her love, and I donât know Iâm just believe in slow love more? Like aging wine. It gets better, In No rush.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>If sheâd met me few month ago, sheâd get exactly what she wants. More attachments and eagerness haha </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>And No She never complained about my emotional âcoolnessâ/reservedness only praised it many times.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But like I told you before sheâs like a high school girl she just feels âa lotâ so itâs obvious that she wants someone like that? </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I talked to her this evening. She and her ex had a meeting and apparently, He wants her back and she said heâs not like before (Which I doubt it somewhat) sheâs still feeling conflicted but she said she donât want to cut ties with meâŠSo she didnât gave him any answer and told him to waitâŠ</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I told her take her time, Iâll support her decision.</p>SereneWolf
Participant<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, thatâs your avoidant attachment style. You keep a distance, you put on a guard, you donât allow yourself to get too close⊠In this situation now it might be useful, since the girl still has feelings for her ex. And it doesnât leave you too affected emotionally, in fact you feel a sense of reliefâŠ</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Well I think I did put my guard down, and I did felt a little close to her. But not like what we could say heavily attached? But yeah I do feel sense of relief.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”> </p><p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess she is disappointed a little that you are so âcalm and composedâ about not having her in your life. That you donât love her and miss her more. Thatâs what the sigh means, I guessâŠ</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess youâre right. She wants extreme kind of love but now that Iâm much aware Iâm taking things slowly </p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yeah, you stopped her from expressing her love, I guess because you didnât want to express it to her either? You were afraid of deep emotions. And also, perhaps the belief that âI am hard to loveâ was still present in you a little, so how could she possibly say that she loves you â it must be the breeze and the starsâŠ?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It could be that she agreed to give her ex another chance because she is missing more âattachmentâ from you, more eagerness to be with her? I am not saying it is your fault that she is conflicted, but it could be that she feels sheâs not important enough to you, and this contributed to her conflict? Has she ever complained about your emotional âcoolnessâ/reservedness till now?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Â </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I mean like we discussed I was already anxious and afraid of taking things so fast. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>I guess thatâs why I stopped her from expressing her love, and I donât know Iâm just believe in slow love more? Like aging wine. It gets better, In No rush.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>If sheâd met me few month ago, sheâd get exactly what she wants. More attachments and eagerness haha </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>And No She never complained about my emotional âcoolnessâ/reservedness only praised it many times.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>But like I told you before sheâs like a high school girl she just feels âa lotâ so itâs obvious that she wants someone like that? </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I talked to her this evening. She and her ex had a meeting and apparently, He wants her back and she said heâs not like before (Which I doubt it somewhat) sheâs still feeling conflicted, but she said she donât want to cut ties with meâŠSo she didnât gave him any answer and told him to waitâŠ</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So I told her take her time, Iâll support her decision.</p>SereneWolf
ParticipantHey Tee,
How are you doing?
Youâre welcome! I am glad youâve started to believe that you are easy to love, and that youâll be using that affirmation. I love that affirmation btw, I think itâs very powerful.
Oh good! Hereâs another one I kinda created from the conversation we had, I am enough, just as I am, and I am worthy of all the good things that life has to offer.
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Yeah, it could be that some of the positive attention and praise youâve received was genuine, but you didnât register it as such, because you believed you were hard to love⊠so you didnât believe them.
Love bombing is usually used by narcissistic people as a way to hook you in, to âcatchâ you. Once they succeed, they become very different, they start controlling you, putting you down, manipulating you etc. Have you had such an experience before â of someone first playing super loving and nice, and then turning against you?
No actually not turning against me but like fake youj know?… I donât like those kinds of people who just do something for me just because they want something from me. Thatâs not love. Thatâs simply like a business transaction. For example when I decide to help someone I donât think I should only help this person if someday he/she can help me. In the past I had experienced with those kind of people and Iâm not fond of that kind of greed even though it seems normal to everybody else.
Okay, this sounds like the way you reacted to your father: you actually wanted to tell him what he deserved, but you were afraid to do so⊠and so you remained silent but were boiling inside, right? Nowadays I guess when people remind you of your father, that same anger wants to come out, but you suppress it (rightfully so, because it would be inappropriate to express it to their face).
However, I think thatâs why it would be so important to process the anger you feel at your father, because once you do, youâll be much less reactive with other people, specially in professional settings, where itâs important to keep your cool.
Yes Iâm keeping my cool but like you said sometimes Iâm just boiling inside
Another consequence will be that you wonât be so afraid of speaking up when you disagree with someone, because youâll be able to do it calmly, in a civil manner. Or without sarcasm (because sometimes when youâre upset, you use sarcasm, which is a form of passive aggression).
Iâd really like that Yes!
Hm, I think itâs writing it down⊠I write it down when I am angry and upset. Itâs a form of processing, because while writing, I usually get some insights about why I am angry, or sad, and how I can help myself. So journaling helps me.
Ah right itâs been a while since I did journaling, I should start this good habit. But for this setting I should just write down what I feel and how can I make it better?
You can do it either on your own, or in therapy. If you want to do it on your own, you can write it down, journal about it. Recall an incident from your childhood or youth which was really upsetting, and write down everything you feel about it. Write down why you are angry and how your father hurt you. You can also punch a punching bag or a pillow â that helps to express anger and release it from the system.
Remember, youâre not a bad person, or a bad son, for feeling angry about the way you were treated. Itâs a justified anger and you have the right to feel it.
Okay that seems like a good solution.
Because we all have gifts and talents, we are born with them, itâs like jewels we are adorned with  We are all special and unique in our own way. Thatâs why weâre worthy simply be existingâŠ
This is something I need to learn to accept.
Yes, quite possible, because if we donât feel worthy, we typically want to achieve something big to prove our worth. Some people even do achieve great things, but they play it down, telling themselves itâs not a big deal, that they simply got lucky and donât really deserve the praise (thatâs the impostor syndrome).
You too mentioned you suffer from the impostor syndrome. And itâs possible, because you downplay your achievements and are pushing yourself to achieve more and faster. And thatâs probably because deep inside, you donât feel worthy and you seek validation.
So actually when you say your subconscious wants it â I think itâs actually your inner child who is seeking praise and validation from your parentsâŠ
Oh right you explained it very well. So I just need to make myself feel worthy again?
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You are very welcome! Iâll repeat it: you are doing a lot, and have achieved a lot. Itâs your feeling unworthy that is telling you differently!
Right!
SereneWolf
ParticipantHm.. thatâs not a good sign, since it means she still has feelings for him. And that she is considering going back to him, otherwise she wouldnât want to meet him. BTW, was he the one who left her? Because usually thatâs when we still have feelings for the exâŠ
I know but I’m not disappointed because I wasn’t much attached, I didn’t ask if her ex left her, or she left him
I guess you meant that you donât want to beg her either, right?
Lol NOPE!
I donât know how you feel about it?
Well I know it’s not really normal, but I feel good like I’m saved from emotional frustration and etc. đ
Like how Americans say “Dodged a bullet?” Idk if it’s relevant here đ
 how did she react to your relatively detached reaction?
She wasn’t surprised she already sees me as someone who’s “Calm and composed” She told me this in our first date and I said It’s what you see but I do have anxiety like some other people…
Even this time she told me – you seem not agitated about this at all. I just asked her reversibly do you really want me to?
And yet still she kissed me good before she left with little sigh…
I guess I didn’t told you, Remember when she came to my place and cooked for me? Well that night after dinner we went on my terrace for stargazing, and we were talking and she was about to tell me I love you, I just shushed her and told her that, let’s take it slowly and kinda also sarcastically said it’s the “mild breeze” talking
She laughed and also said yeah I’m being eager. but that’s a “twinkling” talking.
SereneWolf
ParticipantAlso, so I had another date with doctor, and I spent really good time with her. But at that night her ex called him and talked to her, Next day again we had lunch together and told me about it. She says she’s really confused because he asked him to be back together. They were together for more than 4 years, so her emotions are really strong. and she said she really feels secure with me and really like spending time with me but her ex wants to meet her so she doesn’t know what she should do and asking me… And I said I’m not in the position to give you any advice on this, Do what feels right for you. I won’t force you to stick with me.
So let’s see what happens…
SereneWolf
ParticipantOla Tee,
Thanks, thatâs one of my greatest wishes!
I hope your wishes come true đ€
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I see â so youâre on the lookout because youâre afraid you might say something that these people wonât like, and theyâll start judging you and thinking poorly of you. This is most likely the consequence of fearing your father and never knowing when heâll lash out at you (my fatherâs anger was always on the edge so whenever he was around even he was calm I was anxious that at any time heâd flip out). Now being around authority figures gives you the same anxiety⊠because youâre projecting your father into them.
If thatâs so, the first thing you can do is to be aware of this dynamics. Perhaps you can also tell yourself that 1) other people are not like your father, and 2) you are easy to love (I mention this because youâve realized this recently about yourself, and I think itâs a good phrase to repeat to yourself, even in a professional setting). If âI am easy to loveâ is too much, you can repeat to yourself something like âIâve got many talents and abilities, I am good and capable enough.â Perhaps this would help you be a little less anxious at business/professional gatherings?
Thanks a lot for clear and stepwise guidance! itâs much clearer to me and yeah, I do like âIâm easy to loveâ affirmation more, Because I started to believe that somewhat
Can you give me an example of a manipulative behavior you donât like?
Hmm currently Passive aggressive and love bombing comes to my mind.
Thereâs another thing though.. I guess in past I may took some things as love bombing even though they were being genuine. Because itâs been hard for me to take compliments (Even from my gfs)
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Alright, so you feel that if you were really honest with people, youâd be rude and without much empathy for them (or for some of them)? I mean, you would tell them what they deserve? And so you rather donât say anything and donât show your emotions?
Yes Exactly!
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Good that she doesnât use her emotions to manipulate you! As for the notion that to be a mature adult means to bottle up oneâs emotions⊠well, thatâs not really true. It sounds like something your mother would have told you when you were angry at your father?
Because in truth, to be mature means to be able to regulate our emotions, not to suppress them. Remember, anger is a signal, not a solution (Henry Cloud). If you cut off the signalling system, thatâs not a sign of maturityâŠ
Yes I remember the Henry cloudâs video now! Iâll take a note of this. Regulations my emotions, thatâs we are already working on so
What single thing that been most helpful for regulating your emotions?Â
Okay, so it seems you feel a little threatened by her talents and abilities, you feel less-than in some aspects (perhaps in emotional expressiveness too?), and your inner critic would like to sabotage it. Just keep noticing it, and keep telling yourself âI am easy to loveâ, or something long those lines. If it works for you, of courseâŠ
Okay Iâll try this affirmations and update you
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Well, Iâd say it makes it easier, not harder, if you know how to spot emotionally unhealthy people. Because you wonât get into relationships that will drain you and that have no future. Or even if you enter such a relationship, youâll quickly see itâs not good for you and youâll leave. So I donât see any drawbacks of healing, just positivesâŠ
Hmm thatâs a positive perspective to look from
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I think itâs a good sign that you confronted him in your dreams. And that you told him what youâve always wanted to tell him! The thing is, you canât really forgive him if you havenât expressed the anger for what he did to you and how he treated you. You donât need to express it to him, and it wouldnât even be advisable, but youâd need to feel it and express it either to yourself or in therapy â before you can forgive your father.
Because anger in this case is a natural reaction to having been emotionally abused, and it is justified. Once you express your anger (either to yourself in private or in therapy), you can get clear about your boundaries, i.e. what you will and will not tolerate in the future. It will also enable you to forgive your father â as in not hold a grudge against him, not resent him forever. But it will also enable you to protect yourself from his anger and condemnation in the future.
So expressing anger (in a safe environment) is in my opinion the key to move on in a healthy way, which means: without resentment towards the person, but with healthy boundaries.
Okay means I should express this anger to myself first and then therapy? How do I do that to myself first?
About boundaries youâre right and for so long he havenât disrespected any of my boundaries tbh
Yeah, youâd need to validate yourself. Youâd need to tell yourself (and your inner child) that you are worthy, and that youâre worthy simply because you exist. You donât need to do anything to earn your worth â itâs something all of us as human beings innately possess. I think thatâs the bottom line: if you know youâre worthy, you wonât need others to validate you.
Okay so I know what you mean but my rational my mind always ask me questions when I tell myself things like that like how you could be worthy if you havenât done something worthwhile?
So you want to talk to them about some topics that you already know their opinion on (something they donât agree with you?), and you want to try to explain it to them once again? If I understood it correctly?
Yes kinda like that
I understand that you want to have a relationship with them, you donât want to cut ties. And you donât need to cut ties. The way you can do it â to have a relationship without hate on your side â is to process the anger you have against them, as I suggested above. Which means in therapy, or to yourself in private.
You can write down everything you resent them about, separately your father and your mother, and allow yourself to feel your anger (which is justified, remember, because what you went through was emotional abuse). Expressing anger will reset your system and youâll be able to forgive them, but also to set some boundaries, that are respectful to you. You wonât allow to be abused like before.
So youâll be able to love them, but also to love and respect yourself at the same time. Thatâs the only way I know of how you truly healâŠ
I agree with you, Expressing anger in healthier way thatâs what I need to learn now
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Happy birthday, SereneWolf! All the best to you!
Thanks Tee!
Perhaps you chase some big achievement, so you can feel worthy? So your parents would finally be proud of you and acknowledge your worth?
Iâm not sure but I guess my subconscious wants that?
In reality, you are still very young, youâve already accomplished a lot professionally (e.g. you are the youngest manager in your company). Youâre also finishing your bachelors degree while working full time, and are planning to enroll an MBA. Apart from that, youâre constantly improving yourself, both your tech skills and your soft skills. You are learning how to be vulnerable in romantic relationships and are applying that with your new girlfriend. You are willing to self-reflect and challenge yourself⊠I mean, you are doing A LOT, SereneWolf! And you have achieved a lot in your young life. Whoever tells you differently is lying big time!
But I know that those critical voices are still strong in you, and this sentiment is coming from them. Luckily, as you said:Â I wonât give up. Iâm stubborn too
Cheers to that!  And to another challenging/amazing year in front of you!
Thank you so much for always giving me good reminders!
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