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Hey Tee,
Actually, I am only now starting to learn to be more resilient. These health issues made me feel very fragile physically, but Iâve realized I am also fragile emotionally. For example, believing that Iâd never heal, worrying, catastrophizing etc. And Iâve learned that those are all symptoms of health anxiety. So now Iâve learned how to cope with that anxiety, and also to start seeing myself as more resilient (physically) than I thought I was.
So nowadays, whenever I have a flare-up of my symptoms, I donât start despairing and thinking my life is over, but I let it pass. And within a few days, my symptoms do subside and I feel better again. So this is how I am learning resilience⌠by tolerating physical pain đ But itâs been hard, a very hard lesson.. but anyway, thatâs life, I hope I am now stronger because of it đ
Oh actually I didnât even know thereâs a specifically thing like health anxiety exist. But Iâm glad you found a way to cope with that anxiety. I guess we always find a way one way or another. And I do like your approach because in your situation combining with physical pain so itâs easy to feel fragile and anxious! so Keep up your good work đ
So you ended up not applying for that entry level job, which was paying well and looked promising?
I did apply but unfortunately didnât get selected. Someone with even higher experience than me started working there with less salary package. But I didnât sulk over that because it was months ago and I thought maybe that person needed that job more than me.
I am sorry itâs been so stressful for you. Are the opportunities so limited or you are somewhat picky, looking for a very specific thing?
Itâs the IT job market in general. There arenât even enough jobs open, on top of that layoffs. And what Iâm looking for is working in HealthTech or Sustainability sector. Because I think itâs meaningful for me and also impactful.
Luckily just Thursday I passed initial interview for this Healthtech company. Itâs really good position. Took me really long to get selected for a position like that. Itâs also fully remote. And enough pay that I can also move to Europe without any issues.
Now I have next technical interview on Next Wednesday. but I have high hope for this as well as this crazy fear and anxiety that what if I donât perform well and donât get it? Itâs a really good opportunity that I just donât want to lose. And itâs just not even letting me practice with good focus. Because this one has multiple stage of interviews after interview on Wednesday there will be two more interviews. And I Need to ace all of this interviews.
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I see. It just occurred to me that when you are under stress and feeling bad about something (like with the job search at the moment), you donât need anyone around to support you. Like, a romantic relationship isnât a resource for you, but a burden, it seems? And so you tend to get rid of the relationship, to feel less burdened, right?
When I talked about this my therapist while ago she said at difficult time thatâs what exactly you need, someone who really supports you and she told me try to stop always being self-dependent. But tbh Iâm not able to do that for now. My focus for job is sharp. Because currently itâs a necessity.
It seems she really likes you and is waiting for you. I am kind of rooting for the two of you too đ Because she seems like a good girl⌠But anyway, youâll see. Those things cannot (and shouldnât) be forced, thatâs for sure.
Youâre right and like you know we discussed before like I need to be more hopeFul romantic not hopeLess romantic. But I donât know why but Iâm still very hopeless about love. On top of that because of this kind of thinking Iâm already feeling like Iâd end up alone and no one would love me with their whole heart if Iâm keep rejecting love like this.
Because tbh I do really like her but I just donât see future in her even though sheâs really good I just donât know whyâŚ
Oh I am sorry about that. I also had some eye issues, and it was very frightening, but I did get better, thankfully. I hope your therapist will get better too.
I hope so. Because with another therapist itâs all from 0 to 1. And more than that Itâs the good relationship you know. Because I want good connection too.
Are you doing those exercises? Are you in touch with her? I mean, is she available at least from time to time? Because self-healing is hard, although not impossible.
Iâm not able to doing those exercises daily tbh. But yes Iâm in touch with her. And just look her dedication she said we can communicate over written letters like the old times. And she wonât even charge me any fees for that. She also believes everything happens for a reason, and this would help her do more writing which she always wanted to do in her teenage years, How would I think about changing a therapist like this?
Self-healing is indeed not easy. But at the end of the day therapists are only like a guide but all the inner work we have to do by ourselves so..
Iâve heard once a great concept, which is that emotional wounds happened in a relationship, and thatâs why we also need a relationship to heal them. A therapeutic relationship primarily. Or we need to have a strong sense of self-compassion, which is like having an inner therapist rather than the inner critic. Unless we have developed a strong inner coach/therapist/good parent figure, emotional healing is hard to do on our own.
So I think it would make sense to try to find another therapist â someone you do have a good rapport with. Unless youâre feeling youâre making progress on your own too?
Thatâs indeed a great concept and I guess Iâm trying to bring that inner therapist/parent figure more. For example. Uncle Iroh or Krishnaji (Lord Krishna). And thatâs why Iâm blaming myself much less than I used to.
Well I do feel like Iâm making a progress but for different perspective I wouldnât mind you telling what do you think my progress so far? Because obviously you continuously contributing a huge part in my healing journey. Because we started communicating long before I even started therapy.
SereneWolfParticipantOla Tee! đ
Itâs totally fine. Iâm really glad to that youâre feeling better. Really happy to hear back from you. I do know that youâre very strong & resilient and I admire that. But I hope you feel even better.
For Job letâs say Iâm still being resilient and applying. There were days when I felt like absolute trash. Because I wasnât seeing any results. And I was worried for financial pressure too. So like finding a job and on top of that financial pressure. Thatâs the only two things that rendered in my head. Made me sick to my stomach. It was even harder to enjoy simple things (Which I normally enjoy) But Itâs getting better.
About relationship. Because of this much pressure I totally made her distant from myself. She did try but I wasnât just in right mental state. Even now Iâm just not thinking about it that much. We rarely talk. I even told her that it’s better that she finds someone more suitable according to her needs. But she said no. So now we’re like a non-committed friends who kiss sometimes.
And Itâs been one and a half month Iâm not seeing my therapist. She got some health issues too. Mostly her eyes and throat. Which is very crucial for online sessions you know. And she did suggest me another therapist but I didnât liked her that much so I stopped. So I talked to her and she said she believes that Iâm more than capable of doing self-healing and Iâm improved much faster rate than she imagined. So told me keep working on some exercises and working on healing my emotional wounds and whenever I need a like a push, sheâll help me.
What about you? How youâve been doing?
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee!
Yay! I’m really glad! I guess long vacation did helped in some ways :D, Where did you travelled if you don’t mind me asking.
Yes that’s right let your eyes rest. No need to say sorry.I’m still being resilient and applying for jobs.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
You did say your heath wasn’t improving. So just wanted to check on you. I hope you’re okay.Get well soon đ
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
sorry for the delay, I am on holidays and spending less time at the computer.
Thatâs fine! I hope youâre enjoying your holidays well đ
Thank you! Although I have to say, these last few days have been rough health-wise, so it was hard to stay optimistic. But then it eventually got better again, and I can keep on keeping onâŚ
I got fever too (2-3 Days) and damn thatâs not easy, and for your health itâs much complex and bigger so I understand, and I admire your strength to keeping on.
I guess when you start working on those attachment wounds and the fear of intimacy and vulnerability. When you heal enough so you wonât feel threatened by being in a relationship. Because right now, you probably fear that youâll lose your freedom, independence, ability to do what you enjoy doing, right?
This? Yes I fear that!
Maybe youâre also afraid of being judged, so you feel you need to perform and meet certain expectations, and canât just be yourself in the relationship?
But I donât think Iâm afraid of being judged anymore in the relationship because nothing is more energy draining than act as per like someoneâs expectations person by person. Thatâs like people pleasing but out of relationship situation I still have some people pleasing tendencies.
But you said your girlfriend isnât really rushing to get married and have children. So it seems she isnât the cause of stress but itâs more like that youâre telling yourself that being in a relationship means needing to settle down and have children within the 2-3 year time span. So itâs more like the false belief and the expectation that you are putting on yourself is what causes you pressure, rather than your girlfriend putting pressure on you, right?
Sheâs not rushing because she knows Iâm not serious like her into this relationship, When we met for our second date, she did mention that sheâs tired and she wants to settle down. Because even she thinks finding love isnât easy at all. She literally sends me cute baby videos on IG time to time! And she also suggested adopting a kitten together when my cat ran away, I may have been taking it the wrong way, but you know what that means right? But yeah these are just my assumptions… But saying indirect âyesâ to those things means taking things next level and going into the pool!
So Iâd say he never gave you the freedom to be yourself â even if he gave you the freedom to move away from home.
Hmm so itâs like for his own ego and comfort?
I donât know if he meant to say that he might have made mistakes in your (and your siblingsâ) upbringing? If he is willing to admit that he might have made mistakes, thatâs already something. Because my mother isnât willing to admit that.
Well like Iâve told you he did said sorry to my grandmother when we had a fight in the past. Not directly to me but still yeah
Haha, you said you were in your late 20s, so I put the highest possible age. But if youâre even younger than that, then my words have an even bigger weight!  Because youâre really young and the entire life is ahead of you.
But you know how days are going? Like a blink of an eye! I feel so nostalgic watching old anime it feels like yesterday when I used to watch those things. Also I do have to mention that I guess Iâm using that to sooth myself from this really fast paced AI world.
Your inner critic used the opportunity to judge you for being lazy and not working on actively defending yourself fromâŚ. the inner critic himself! You see that mechanism?
But but isnât that rational and right? đ
The inner critic uses everything to turn things against you, even my advice on how to get rid of it! So just pay attention to that and notice every time you scold yourself for anything. Because every such scolding is the inner critic in action.
Hmm I guess Iâll have to try more
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If you like the position and it pays well even at the entry level, and it gives you an opportunity for career advancement â then sure, go for it! The only question is â how come the entry level pays more than the manager level somewhere else? Have you checked if this company is legit and there are no scams involved? If they are legit, if thereâs nothing fishy, then Iâd say take it, by all means.
Thanks and Theyâre legal and itâs not a scam, Itâs paying well because they raised lot of funding recently even during this time! So, they have a lot of confidence for their product and I like that. And I even researched for their salary data and theyâre paying Product person 4x higher!
SereneWolfParticipantKon’nichiwa Tee,
How was your weekend?
thatâs the only way⌠if I donât accept the limitations and the hardships, and only focus on the negative, it would be much less bearable. So looking at it with a dose of optimism is the only thing that helps (besides exercise, of course)
Thatâs good! Also thatâs why youâre an awesome wise mentor! đ
Okay, so sheâs one sturdy cat and you feel sheâs doing fine, wherever she isâŚ
Yup.Yeah, she is probably hoping she can turn you around and make you fall in love with her. I did suggest a few posts ago (before you told me about your job loss) to stay in the relationship but work on your fear of commitment. I understand that right now, finding a new job is a priority and youâre only focusing on that. But do you think you would want to work on your fear of commitment some time down the line, or you want to remain an eternal bachelor, so to speak?
Well you do have a point and Iâm doing like a spiral always just running away from commitment like this, and I think now Iâm just using bigger excuse to run away from this. I don’t know when I’ll be emotionally “available.”
But another thing is also that I donât want to settle down so soon I feel like if things go well, like my other friends 2-3 years in relationship and then get married and get kids and then have your family responsibilities. Then Iâd missed out on enjoying my 20âs like adventure travel and etcâŚ
Well yes, because she refuses to admit any fault of her own. Itâs easier to blame other people. Thatâs a hallmark of a toxic personâŚ
Right, I get it now, main thing is that always see otherâs fault but not their own. But few days ago I talked to my father on the call and we talked like an hour (Which is very rare) We were talking about my little brother and how he doesnât listen to him or talk to him rarely, He be like I gave all of you freedom to do anything you want (Which is somewhat right) and during the call he also said that he also could made mistakes and I was like yeah weâre all humans and Then told him not to worry and Iâll talk to my brother
When you say you made some bad choices in the past, I guess youâre talking about dropping out of university and graduating only later? Well, weâve talked about that before: you did it because you wanted to free yourself from your fatherâs and grandfatherâs guilt-tripping and you wanted to be independent. And so you had to work to support yourself. Which lead to the delay in your studies.
Now if you keep blaming yourself for that, youâll never be free. Because you graduating a few years later doesnât mean youâre less capable or less competent. You agreed with me that youâre actually a high achiever and resilient. So please stop telling yourself that old story that youâre a failure and lagging behind. Youâre right on time and you can grab the best opportunity, if you keep a positive self-image and stay optimistic.
Yes I agree but the thing is that I still think I couldâve done better, and I know I may havenât enough mature to make proper decision in past but even though Now Iâm much more capable thereâs still old fear!
Well, youâre 29. Youâll be at the prime of your power for at least the next 20 years. So there will be plenty of opportunities for both career success and for traveling. But I guess when youâre caught in that fear (of making mistakes, or missing out), itâs hard to hear the rational arguments. Because I think your FOMO is a part of your inner critic. So itâs something that youâd need to actively defend yourself against and shut down that voice, because itâs a blind alley.
Iâm freshly 28! Donât make me older please đ and Yeah I agree but this actively defending is seems hard! Is there any more efficient way? Like it happens in background or subconsciously etc? I’m being lazy I know Heck I even have time yet I’m not putting it for right use.. I should do that
I think itâs a smart decision to start applying for a broader range of positions, and then switch after a while to what you really want. As for the job market, I really donât know, it depends on what sector youâre in. If youâre in IT, it shouldnât be that affected, although it seems that new product development might be stalling, due to people not having enough moneyâŚ
Yeah so I have two interviews soon, and one HR was like this is an entry level position I believe youâre too senior for this but still if you want we can discuss further… and I do like this position even though itâs entry level itâs a really good pay even more than manager level pay. So Iâm thinking talking to him like Iâm more interested in this position for growth opportunity later on⌠But if you have better suggestion you can suggest me
SereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
I am a bit better health-wise, so I had a good weekend. I mean, nothing special, but pleasant and mostly pain-free, which is a miracle when it happens.
Iâm glad to know that. I like that you have very grateful perspective towards this.
I am so sorry your new cat ran away Perhaps sheâll come back?
She still didnât. But Iâm not that much worried like a cat before. Because I donât know I have a feeling that sheâll survive.
Okay, so youâre determined not to get married. Have you ever talked about the future and topics like marriage and children? What does she say about you wanting to work remotely and possibly moving to a different city? Do you talk about that?
I mean she already is well aware about my plans for remote working and moving to different cities and because of her profession she canât do it even if she wants to, and for marriage we both decided to not rush and after that I told her no for a love relationship soâŚ
It seems she feels the connection at the moment, as she is comforting you about your job loss and all that. She feels a certain closeness, and I guess thatâs why she doesnât feel that youâre not giving her what she needs. But she did feel it in the past â thatâs why she was tempted to go back to her ex. So I guess right now she feels close to you, because youâre open to receiving her love and support. But once youâll be in a better place and less fragile, she might experience that youâre withdrawing againâŚ
Hmm I guess youâre right but I donât want her to stuck with me for confusing type of love. She deserves something much more and direct, But she still wants to spend time with me because she may have that hope of finding a way to my heart key.. and because of my career now Iâm focused only on that instead of relationship.
Yes, itâs hard to accept that. I too was hoping that my mother would realize that she hurt me and that she didnât give me the kind of love I needed. But she refused to see it. She still believes she was a good mother and I am an ungrateful daughter.
What? She still believes that she was a good mother and it was your fault?? How? Why?
Oh I didnât know there is JOMO too, as opposed to FOMOÂ But yeah, we canât do everything and be at more places at one time. Life is about choices, and we choose one thing at the expense of other. Even if this other thing is also good. But still, we need to make choices and omit certain things, because our time and resources are limited. You also omit a lot during sleep, if you think about it, and yet, you need sleep, because those are your biological limits.
Yes but the thing is that because I made some bad choices in the past now I have fear that I may make bad choices again and everyone says these years of life are golden years so itâs like break it or make it so later on I donât want to regret that I didnât make good choices⌠I guess itâs also one of the reasons for my low self-esteem. You see what I mean?
Are you worried about missing out on travel? Or youâre more worried about being late in your achievements and career success?
Actually both!
 Well, they are very short-sighted and stingy, and you shouldnât be sorry for leaving that company. I hope youâll find some place where theyâll appreciate people like you more, and not take advantage of them and them toss them away
Yes but companies are really scared of slow economy so theyâre putting money first instead of people.
Yeah, I understand that people are rushing to find just anything, because they need the money and the opportunities are shrinking. But if you can afford to wait a little longer, then do it. Donât fall for the fear that you wonât find anything â because you sure will, if it comes to that. But maybe youâll have to be less picky, youâll see about that.
Right so I started to apply for position that also related to Product Management means much broader and more opportunities⌠and after working like 6 months to 1 year I can start applying for the position that are stronger for PM roles because Letâs hope by then job market would be better? What do you think?
SereneWolfParticipantSo they donât want any new development then? Perhaps they believe theyâve got a hit product and they donât need anything new for at least a year or so?
Yes, I did lot of Market research during development for that so for a while they won’t need even new features for this product.
I only wouldnât agree that youâre getting old, but if you have a clear goal in mind (to work remotely and travel as you please), then by all means, go for it.
I mean only reason is the I have clear goal and that’s why I’m confident about it. Lot of my friends are really compromising like just get wherever you want, But I’m really picky about it. They are scaring me more because of all the layoffs and unemployment rates are getting higher.
If youâre short on money, you can still send applications to some of those less appealing places, and once you get the job at a place you like better, you can simply switch. How do you feel about that?
Yes, I did selected some cities where I can stay little longer so I’m applying for Hybrid roles there as well
SereneWolfParticipantOla Tee,
How was your weekend?
I wouldnât know about that. But I guess you should train her how to use the toilette and stuff like that. Iâve never had a pet, so cannot really give advice on thatâŚ
Well actually she ran away yesterday evening âš
So you are sure that you donât want this to grow into something long term, possibly even marriage?
Nope. No marriage
Now, youâd need to chose her. I know itâs really hard for you, due to your attachment issues. But I am just saying â I think it would be a worthy effort to work on your fear of commitment, while in the relationship with her. I think making that effort would actually make sense, and it wouldnât be a waste of time.
So I think this would be my answer to your question:Â So should I stay put and live in the moment while it last or should I do something else?
Work on your fear of commitment, while staying in the relationship. Donât stay in that fear forever, without challenging it. Thatâs my advice.
Well lately I feel like a fraud because sheâs been very supportive with everything thatâs going on and I feel like Iâm using her just for my emotional comfort and physical needs not giving her the love that sheâs craving from me. I literally said this to her on her face because I didnât want any dishonesty, but she was like Iâm just being silly.
Yes, constant criticism and shaming is actually emotional abuse. Itâs actively inflicting a wound on you, telling you how bad and faulty you are. What your mother did was more like emotional neglect, I think, because she tolerated your fatherâs treatment of you and didnât protect you from it. She wasnât actively harming you, but she let your father harm you with his criticism.
Hmm I see I understand now
Maybe this is a silly question but I am not familiar with childrenâs obligations regarding financing their parents and grandparents. So you said earlier that you have a responsibility to give a certain amount to your parents monthly. Is it because they are not that well off, or itâs a custom in India and adult children are obliged to do it regardless?
Well it is more like a custom in India. especially If youâre an older sibling Which I am
As for the fact that you have such a father â youâll have to mourn that, I guess. I am sorry that my mother is like she is, and that weâll never have a close, loving relationship. She is incapable of that. So I gave it up. My relationship with her is very superficial. Itâs sad, but it canât be more than that â if I want to respect myself and not allow her to hurt me.
Yes youâre right and I guess Iâm just not able to easily accept this truth and still hoping that he might change, But we donât know. So I guess thatâs what hard for me
No, you needed their emotional support as a child. It was a crucial need back then and because it wasnât met, it caused damages (which you are trying to rectify and heal now, as an adult). But you donât need their emotional support now. Your well-being and emotional health doesnât depend on it. You can get support elsewhere (in therapy, for example). You can also give yourself the support and validation that you needed from them as a child. In short, you can now become a good parent to yourself.
Yes Iâm trying to be a good parent to myself, Trying to be kinder with myself day to day
So yes, try to have more compassion for yourself, appreciate everything youâve achieved so far and tell yourself that you did a great job. Be Uncle Iroh to yourself, not the heartless drill sergeantâŚ
Yes thatâs what Iâm trying I think being mindful is really helping me a lot, So most of the time when I get negative thoughts my mind tells me not be anxious and worried and appreciate things.
Yes, thatâs one of your major tasks. So now try not to blame yourself for being âlateâ and âbehind scheduleâ. Youâre not late for anything,
Thatâs one of the hardest thing I have to work on I guess, Because Iâm very afraid of getting older and missing out on things, and while meditation I did deep think about this matter like no matter what, we canât do absolutely everything. So just learn JOMO. Joy of missing out. Being present in the moment instead of worrying about future and stuff, Donât compare, Ever one of us have their own unique journey, But not easy at all my rational mind ask me lot of other questions that makes me feel behind
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
it seems very short-sighted :/ So basically they fired the whole developer team because now the product is out on the market and they donât need you any more?
It is short-sighted for sure! but they are thinking how much money they’re saving for few month, and they only have two dev guys for bug fixing and in Product they only have like support girl. because they don’t want anything new
I thought in case you need money, perhaps you can relax your requirements. But of course, if itâs not such an urgent problem, you donât need to go back to the system you donât like
I mean yeah financal pressure is a real deal and I’m feeling it, but my other persona is rebeling against it like no just get what you want don’t compromise you’re gonna get what you want.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Do you know what caused it?Well they said it’s for organizational restructure and for budget purposes. But mainly we all think they don’t want to pay to people for “building” or “managing” new services just because it’s working fine now so they think they can save thousands of dollars for few months… So basically, its like the full course meal is ready for them and they going to feed themselves on for few months.
Perhaps you can send some more applications, even for jobs that arenât remote only â to increase your chances?
Well you know I already feel missing out on things and less freedom because I had to go to the office sometimes and wasn’t able to change the cities. Now I don’t want to stuck in the same loop and feel the same way. Like I already feel like I’m getting old, and I haven’t seen this beautiful world enough..
SereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
Apologies for the late reply, but I haven’t been feeling well. 40% of the workforce has been reduced at the company where I worked, and I was laid off. Now, I’m more anxious than ever to find a job.
I still haven’t heard from the companies where I applied. I don’t know what else I can do now instead of just losing hope…SereneWolfParticipantHeyya Tee,
Iâd easily slip into depression. And I need to battle that.
And youâre fighting this battle very well Tee, Keep it up đ
Haha, cats donât do anything if theyâre not happy â they always put themselves first. So she must be happy
I was wondering, So I have a friend who have 3 cats and her cats are so well behaved and healthy because her mother was around and I guess she taught her kitten to how to get around? But this kitten is like only a month old and she have no idea whatâs going on or how to do things. Thatâs why I have to take care of more than âNormalâ
She is hoping she found or will find a loophole in your armor, I guess.
Hmm she better know how stubborn I am.
Okay, if you also talk about your own vulnerability, and perhaps your own fears, and she is understanding, thatâs good. I guess you appreciate her being understanding and not judging you, right?
Yes I do appreciate that, and Itâs not like we talking everyday but stillâŚ
Iâve just looked up how FWB is defined. And it doesnât necessarily exclude emotional bond, but the most significant feature is lack of commitment. You said you have fear of commitment. It also makes you uncomfortable to say âI love youâ (or to hear her say it), I guess because it carries a future expectation of a committed relationship. So I guess if there is fear of the future and fear of commitment, even though youâre enjoying things at the moment, I guess that would still be defined as FWB.
Hmm I see, Well I guess then itâs my first FWB? Lol đ
And yeah there is fear of commitment there, I accept that, but you know that I donât want to move forward than FWB with this girl, So should I stay put and live in the moment while it last or should I do something else?
Not sure I understand your question. The article talks about how itâs easy to fall in love, when hormones are high and we might be seeing the person through rose-colored glasses. But once the honeymoon phase is over, we need to make an effort to understand the person, to work on ourselves and our own issues, to not project things on them etc. In that sense, love requires effort.
Ah thatâs right and thatâs why lot of young people are like that because most of the people donât like to put real efforts for love. They quit after the honeymoon phase. Iâm also did something similar, Whenever my relationship got complex, I just quit it. Though I did feel like I did put lot of efforts.
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Okay, so try to reduce reading about those mega success stories, because it makes you feel bad about yourself. And it would make most people bad about themselves. Itâs the worse when we compare ourselves to others, and thatâs exactly what your father and grandfather were doing to you, and now youâre doing it to yourself.
Yes youâre right. Iâm not using twitter anymore. I uninstalled it.
I wish you success!
Thanks a lot! đ
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You mean he tried to hit you and your mother only twice? But I thought heâd get angry with you often and scolded you for even the slightest mistake. You said he made you feel dumb whenever you made a mistake (the minute I make a mistake Iâm dumb). He was also comparing you to other students, telling you you should be grateful for the material support he is providing and why canât you learn better. He was also having perfectionist expectations on you. All this is emotional abuse, even though he wasnât physically violent.
I mean, his criticism didnât happen only twice, right? He wasnât displeased with you only twice, but it was a common theme, it happened all the time. You grew up feeling not good enough, due to his constant criticism and shaming. Thatâs emotional abuse, SereneWolf, not emotional neglect.
Ah Okay I see now, so his constant criticism and perfectionist expectations are also count as an emotional abuse. I thought itâs emotional neglect because he didnât care about my emotions or even noticed but I see your point now. I have to talk about this to my therapist as well!
Yeah, thatâs passive aggression, Iâd say. He doesnât want to say what he needs directly, but is scolding you and your brother for not reading his mind and assuming what he needs. He is making you guilty for something thatâs not your fault at all.
Yeah I know right!? I was this close to lose my mind. I mean whatâs problem in just saying clearly?
Not willing to take responsibility for oneâs actions and always blaming others is a mark of a toxic personality. It seems he is now less âin your faceâ about his expectations, but still does that indirectly, without saying it out loud, but still you can feel the sting.
I guess youâre right. How should I save myself from this? Even building boundaries isnât working much. And Iâm aware itâs his problem not mine but it does bother me.
Yes, they (your father and grandfather) made you feel guilty if you brought home anything less than straight As, right? They made themselves into martyrs, while you were the bad, ungrateful son/grandson for disappointing them and âtorturingâ them like that.
That was putting so much pressure on you. No wonder you felt like a burden â because they made you feel like one. And then you left home, because you didnât want to be guilt-tripped by them any more, right? You rejected their ânurturanceâ. You told your father: âI donât need your help to take care of myself. I know how to handle things.â So you were fed up with his guilt tripping and making you feel like a burden. You decided to be on your own. âSelf-sufficientâ at 16.
But do you see how this âself-sufficiencyâ is a defense mechanism? It was born out of being blamed all the time, feeling like a burden all the time, and wanting to break free from that. With moving out, you basically told your father âI donât need anything from youâ. But thatâs not true â the child always needs support from their parents, both material and emotional. But this was a defense mechanism, because you didnât want to endure that blame and guilt-tripping any more.
Yes you understood very well! But after all this you still think I need emotional support of my parents? Because I just started to feel validated without their validation.
So I started working much earlier without even getting my bachelorâs first then I was blaming myself that I didnât focused on my studies like other people otherwise Iâd be more educated nowâŚ
In order to support yourself, you had to work, and so no wonder that you couldnât get your bachelorâs degree on time. But then you blamed yourself for not studying enough like other people. Well, now itâs time to stop blaming yourself and understand that leaving home was a self-protection mechanism, born out of despair and not wanting to be abused any more. So instead of blaming yourself, try to find compassion for yourself â for the young boy of 16 who ventured out into the world to support himself, because his family was emotionally so cruel to him. So rejecting. So conditional love.
And congratulate yourself because youâve managed to get your bachelorâs later on, in spite of working full time, which is always much harder. And now youâre even in the process of getting a masterâs degree, if I remember well? So congratulate yourself for all your educational achievements, even if you got them a few years later than planned, due to objective circumstances.
Remember, youâre not lazy and âgood for nothingâ, but itâs that you needed to work in parallel with studying, which makes you actually a high achiever. Even though your father believes you are âless thanâ, tell yourself that you are a high achiever and very resilient. Because you made it in spite of the objective difficulties.
Wow thatâs powerful! Thanks a lot Tee, Thanks for pointing out and made me more aware about this! And yes I think main reason for all this is that Iâve always been and still blaming myself for everything that happened. Being too much âSelf-sufficientâ like itâs all my responsibility, Like I couldâve done better, even though I was just doing things as per my circumstances. Thatâs why itâs been hard for me find compassion for myself. And yes Iâm indeed a high achiever and very resilient. Thanks again for your positive reminder! I appreciate it đ¤
Oh yes, neuroplasticity is a great thing, because our neural circuits can literally change as we focus on positive things and start having a more positive mindset.
Yes it is!
Well, it seems like youâre still comparing yourself to others in terms of professional success, and are feeling âless thanâ and that you havenât achieved enough etc. I hope what I said above might help you put things into perspective and have more empathy for yourself and your life path so far.
Yes youâre right and yeah what you said is really helpful! I did learned empathy but for others, I think I still have to learn having more empathy and compassion for myself.
Yes, try to focus less on other peopleâs achievements. Donât compare yourself to others. We all have our individual stories and our unique challenges. We also all have different lessons to learn in life. You only need to focus on yourself and your own life.
100% Right!
SereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
my condition is still fluctuating, so I am still looking for something to give me better relief. But not losing hope, soâŚ
Oh Iâm sorry to hear that, But itâs really impressive itâs been a while and youâre still standing strong with hope. Love that. Your strong spirit is helping you for not getting weaker. I hope you feel better soon.
Good â seems she is getting more tame as the time goes by
Yeah but cats doesnât smile like dogs, So Iâm worried if sheâs happy with me lol
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Yeah, sure, sharing intimacy, being vulnerable, opening up when something is bothering us⌠itâs precious to have someone we can do that with, without being judged and ridiculed.
Yup that is REALLY precious
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Yes, I think so too. She is hoping you would come around and start really bonding with her. She is hoping sheâll melt you finally
Well is that her overconfidence or she found some loophole? đ
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Okay, she is taking the conscious riskâŚ
Doctors are good at taking risks you know
What are you craving from her?
Iâm not sure, Itâs been a while since Iâm little vulnerable with someone, Sheâs understanding so we talk about lot of stuff. And yeah, I did have physical cravings for so long. That includes hand holdings to all the way to sleeping together.
I think that women bond quicker emotionally if there is sex involved. So if you keep having sex, sheâll definitely get even more attached, while for you itâs a question, specially since you have attachment issues. But it seems she is willing to take that risk, since she is hoping you might change (or that she might change you)âŚ
Oh I see thatâs interesting, Since women are naturally more emotional thatâs why sex affects them even more, But the thing is that even though I have attachment issues, I do get attached with women even though itâs not only for sex. Otherwise FWB would be easier for me. Because even for sex I need to have at least good level of trust, bond and attraction.
Yeah, maybe itâs like Facebook â you start comparing yourself to other people and start feeling less than⌠so probably LinkedIn is something that triggers your inner critic and makes you feel bad about yourself. Maybe it would be better if you didnât read those success stories, but only the information related to job openingsâŚ
Yes even in Twitter just influencer gurus are everywhere, Do this and change your life, 7 figure income in your 20s and blah blah blah they make it sounds so easy, and be like itâs that easy why youâre not doing it?
Are you still trying to find a completely remote job, so you can work from anywhere?
Yes mam, I have some interviews soon
She tried to calm you (the child) down, so you wouldnât provoke him (the adult)?
I think so yeah
It seems your father wasnât just an emotionally bully, but also potentially a physical bully, and there was a danger of domestic violence. And so your mother did everything to prevent that violence â by basically being obedient and trying to appease him, and also trying to control you and reason with you to be more âmatureâ (even if you were just a child).
Your grandfather was similar in character to him, and I guess your father actually received a similar treatment from his own father, right?
Yes thatâs right
It was only your grandmother (your fatherâs mother?) who warned him and he sort of admitted that it wasnât the right thing to do. After that, has he tried to hit you or your mother again, or that was the only incident?
My fatherâs mother. After that he never tried to hit me or even raise his voice to my mother or me. Like I said only two times it happened but it was traumatic enough for me, Before I was in primary school and I donât even remember it properly, But also that time I raised my voice at him.
Just today Me and my brother talked to him on conference call, He was like you’re both adults you should know things I shouldn’t have to tell you. and I told him clearly that I don’t prefer just assuming things, whatever is it just say things clearly. He’s like no you’re adults you should be aware about this. and the matter was that my grandparents are sick so he be like me and my brother are irrepressible for not knowing to offer for more financial help. I mean we knew that they’re sick but how we’d know that they need more help? and he was like I waited for days that you’d call and offer? I’m like what? Just don’t wait and tell me things like that directly! He was like this is common sense so you should know. Really made me angry đ
But I guess his mindset didnât change much. He thought he can yell at you and bully you as much as he pleases, while you should stay silent and ârespectâ your father. That father is âgodâ and children shouldnât talk back. A very toxic attitude.
YES EXACTLY! He think everything he does is right and it always otherâs fault.
And I guess you didnât want to bow down to him, you didnât want to show respect to him, and thatâs what caused friction. And I guess thatâs why you left home so early?
Since my teenage I was very clear about values that I respect and even at that age lot of things which was âCoolâ for other kids was clearly nonsense for me. So clearly his unfair anger was really irritating for me, And my main reason to left home early was to get freedom and stand up by myself. And sorta tell my father that I donât need your help to take care of myself. I know how to handle things. So thatâs what I did.
Another thing is that when you have that kind toxic person around you donât feel that good you know so I just wanted to leaveâŚ
He was extremely toxic, SereneWolf. He brutally criticized and shamed you for even the slightest mistake. No wonder you got traumatized by that. He expected you to be âgratefulâ for the material stuff that he was providing, while of course you couldnât be grateful when he was putting you down so mercilessly.
Emotional support is much more important for a child than having material abundance. He gave zero emotional support. What you experienced from him was emotional abuse. (In the beginning you said youâre suffering from childhood emotional neglect. Well, this was not neglect, this was emotional abuse.)
Itâs emotional abuse even it happened one or two times?
Who is âtheyâ? Your father and grandfather?
Yes
No wonder you started having issues at school later â it could have been a consequence of the emotional abuse youâve been experiencing at home. You were under so much pressure you couldnât take it any more. It could have even been a way of rebelling too. Sometimes we rebel because we canât bear to be oppressed like that. I guess one way you rebelled was to leave home, but perhaps having issues at school was another way, only subconscious?
Yes it made me so desperate to just earn and live on my own, I didnât wanted to be burden on them. They always made me feel like they did so much for me and it felt like burden to me! So I started working much earlier without even getting my bachelorâs first then I was blaming myself that I didnât focused on my studies like other people otherwise Iâd be more educated nowâŚ
Thatâs great! Maybe the term youâre looking for is self-fulfilling prophecy: you expect good things, and then good things happen to you. And vice versa. In any case, I am glad that youâre more open to praise and that it helps you feel better about yourself.
I searched itâs called experience-dependent neuroplasticity. When we focus on the good, Good happens. Itâs about positive mindset or positive perspective of life
When you heal your inner child and completely dismiss the inner critic⌠but youâre doing great, youâre making progressâŚ
So currently what internal challenges that I have? What do you think?
Maybe the drill sergeant shows up when youâre looking at LinkedIn and start comparing yourself with others? This voice is actually your fatherâs and grandfatherâs voice, because they were always comparing you with others. Itâs great you have Uncle Iroh as the antidote!
Right Iâm just trying to consume less information. Thereâs just too much noise everywhere. In this noise it feels like my own inner voice is getting lost.
Well, one explanation could be that love is not just words (âI love youâ), itâs also deeds â the things we do to show our love and appreciation every day. Okay, Iâve just looked it up, and the first thing that came up in search was an article titled âWhy love is a choice you make every day.â
The article is worth reading, but basically the main point is: âIt may feel easy to find love at first â your hormones are leading the way. Building love, which implies emotional intimacy, may take effort and action.â
From the PsychCentral? I mean like does that mean we should do everything out of love not for the love?
SereneWolfParticipantBonjour Tee,
How are you doing? Howâs your weekend going?
 How are you getting along with her? Does she allow to be cuddled?
Well now she does. She just comes and sleeps on my lap or belly occasionally. She also let me pet her head when sheâs in the mood otherwise my finger is like a chewing toy for her.
Yes, itâs good to have someone to share difficult moments with, not to be alone with our grief. But having a partner just so they can console us in hard times would be a bit unfair to them. I mean, the goal would be to have a full spectrum of emotional intimacy, in both good and bad times. Thatâs the point of a healthy relationship.
I mean yeah I know that thatâs what relationship is about sharing intimacy. So I didnât mean only for grief, Obviously something more than that
Hmmm⌠I thought she was smarter than that. Instead of learning to be on her own for a while, she offered you a friends-with-benefits arrangement. Thatâs hurtful, specially for women, because they usually get more attached than men. And in the case of you two, we know that she is much more attached to you than you to her. So I think she is putting herself in a situation which she will regret.
I feel sheâs acting like one of my first LDR (Long-term) girl, She also acted like this because she doesnât want to lose contact. I guess she still may have hope that she can change things. And another thing is that I still do enjoy talking to her and we talk about lot of things than just sex. Sex is just like a plus point. Also sheâs aware that I have no experience for FWB yet or neither does she. So I wonât be purely doing that. Other intimate things will be included. Women are like clever fox lol
What you really think women get attached than men? But yeah for this case yes.
And we did talked about it very openly and I said if we still continue like this it would be harder to move on later on. She said she is aware of this but she said she would even like this regret. So I said itâs not wrong to create more memories together. But I did said Iâm not sure so we still take things slowly⌠and I accept I do crave things from her thatâs why Iâm not able to directly say No to her.
Well, I personally donât view sex in the same rank of physical needs as eating, drinking or getting enough sleep. Itâs not a part of self-care. So I donât think it will help you be more productive, if thatâs what you meant. But you know yourself best â have you noticed that sex makes you more productive at work?
I mean you know you didnât had sex for a very long time and then suddenly sex is in your routine? You know because of my past LDRs I wasnât able do physical things. So it kinda makes me feel like desperate for sex? Yet I do still try to control myself but her libido is also high so it doesnât help much. And I love morning sex it makes me feel energetic and it fills me up with good vibes and after having morning sex I donât have any sexual or needy thoughts during the day you knowâŚ
You feel that anxiety in social situations or with work-related tasks?
Yes, mainly work and career related things. Maybe I should use LinkedIn less. It makes me feel behind and somewhat jealous and question my abilities. In LinkedIn there are informative stuff but also lot of âSuccessâ posting so..
Also lot of company is laying off people, so I just started to apply for different positions while ago which is also the stressful situation because even after applying for lot of job there isnât much positive feedback yet
I am happy if they did show emotional support in some situations. But your mother, if I understood well, was your fatherâs enabler. She enabled him to criticize you and verbally abuse you without intervening. She basically told you to endure it and to be âmatureâ about it. She failed to protect you. Thatâs a big omission. And itâs not something that happened once or twice, but consistently. The whole situation was so unbearable that you left home at the age of 16. Those are no small thingsâŚ
Yeah thatâs like we talked before, Even though your father was aware he wasnât able to protect you, So is my mother. And another thing I guess I didnât told you is that my mother was worried about physical fight and something would happen to me, because if I remember only two times my father lost control and tried to physically hurt me and also hurt my mother when she tried to save me and when I saw that I didnât showed him respect like I donât care who you are you canât treat us like that it would made him even more angry he be like you canât disrespect me like that donât raise your voice in front of me. And I would just be like this is nonsense and go to my room and not talk him for a day or two. And yet all my family (Not my siblings) is like itâs just his anger he didnât mean any harm. Iâm like Iâm the kid here or is heâs the kid that he canât even control his anger? You can bow down to his anger but I wonât. Literally even my relatives says like oh just ignore that he just have some anger tendencies⌠A good son shouldnât disrespect his father. But that time only my grandma told him like what are you even doing? Thatâs how you treat your kids? and he did accept that it was his fault and heâs sorry. Only to my grandma not in front of me. Otherwise, his âprideâ would hurt. And after that my mother knew that If anything happens again Iâd disrespect him again and it would make things worse between us.
Sorry for long rant
Okay, so you felt your father was kind and âlovingâ to you only if you performed well at school? You felt that when he praised you, he expected no less than top performance from you? You had to be No1, or else he wouldnât be pleased? (I am just trying to understand what you said earlier that you felt that people are insincere when they praise you and that they want something in return. So perhaps this behavior doesnât come from your mother, but from your father?)
Yes thatâs right and the minute I make a mistake Iâm dumb. He be like I did this and that and some people are not even able to provide daily necessities to their kids and yet theyâre performing well then what do you need? They didnât tell this to my face but I knew their thinking and I did like studying they never had to tell me like go and study like my siblings. They still believe Iâm a âgood performingâ student even though my attention span and curiosity for studying is worse now
Itâs good that youâre more open to compliments. Because if the inner critic is strong, it will disregard even the strongest evidence. That happens in the impostor syndrome. But if you silence the inner critic a bit and allow yourself to receive praise, without immediately dismissing it, thatâs a good start.
I donât remember whatâs that term called but itâs like what you think is what you see? So I guess if Iâm hearing good things about myself, I do feel good things about myself and after that I notice even more better things..
Allow yourself to receive that praise from your therapist and accept that youâre actually doing good and having results pretty quickly. So donât dismiss it as false praise, but allow yourself to be satisfied with yourself.
Ah the feeling of satisfied with myself! Damn when will I get that? But yeah I started to take positive praise with some critical thinking so Iâm not dismissing entirely. Weâre imperfect beings after all, Always evolving like universe, and weâre part of this universe so..
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Right. So the drill sergeant is still active, still pushing you to do more and faster. Try to notice it and then stop yourself, i.e. invite the good general (forgot his name, sorry) to come to your rescue and send the drill sergeant away.
Yeah that drill sergeant! I do think most of the time heâs not even there he just comes up when Iâm feeling down about something and I do try to listen to Good general (Uncle Iroh)
Now I do have friendly inner voice and him. Like I said before I act like Iâm my own friend and try to handle the situation if Iâm telling myself bad things and Uncle Iroh kinda makes it even better.
Just yesterday I read on a post that says âLove is not just a feeling, It is a daily choice that we make.â What does that mean? Can you elaborate if you know?
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