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SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
How are you feeling today?I see⊠your assumption here is that when you show weakness, youâll be attacked. Although you said that when you did share some of your weaknesses and vulnerability, both of your girlfriends showed understanding for it. They didnât attack you, condemn you or ridicule you.
âŠ..Can you see now how our childhood experience shapes our worldview, i.e. the narrative we live and operate in? To you, showing weakness means being attacked. And this is probably what prevents you from emotional intimacyâŠI mean yeah, I understand that. But thatâs why I said I need to develop the trust first. And I do have trust issues as well so⊠Are you suggesting that I should be vulnerable and showing weakness with everyone? At this day and age?
Youâre not a weak person â your parents gave you that message. Theyâve convinced you that you are. And a part of you (your inner child) believes them. Another part fights against it. Thatâs the Protector, who says âyou canât hurt me, Iâll never admit that youâve hurt me.â
You are indeed very resilient (youâve lived on your own since you were 16 or 17, right?)⊠but regardless of that, a part of you (your wounded inner child) feels weak. And the Protector part will do anything in his power not to show it to anyone. The Protector part will do everything to appear strong and cool. Thatâs the part that often uses sarcasmâŠ
Hmm Right I agree with this. And as I said before itâs the confusion and battle between these two things does tires me emotionally sometimes
Seems like you really want to be prepared for a âprojectâ called relationship. You want to plan everything, so you wouldnât fail and none of your weaknesses gets revealed, right? You want to pass it with flying colorsâŠ. But the thing is that if you plan too much, perhaps spontaneity is lost? If itâs a project, and youâre the project manager⊠whatâs the role of your girlfriend? The one who goes along and fulfills the plan set by you? I am being provocative here on purpose, but do think about itâŠ.
Not quite. I mean planning as like go and visit things and just different activities from both side obviously.
And Iâm actually a Product Manager so maybe thatâs why Iâm just more organizational.I do like the spontaneity… However about the weaknesses I may or may not be afraid of that thing. Because Iâm sharply honest⊠And another thing is that I think is weaknesses are just some things you havenât learned yet and to be honest it can be fun too. So in my 1st relationship I didnât knew how to drive that time.. So whenever we have to go out she used to drive and then later on she taught me too and It was really a fun experience. In 2nd relationship I learned that how much impatient I was with lot of things so I worked on that and I told her that as well. So I think itâs more like learning from each other and have fun with that.
But for emotional weaknesses in particular I havenât revealed too much I accept that.
Yes, I understand⊠but I donât think your reason for not settling is the fear of missing out. Because you said youâve never approach the girl first â itâs always them who approached you. This tells me youâre not a butterfly, wandering from flower to flower, afraid to miss out⊠You might have been fine alone, had those girls not initiated a relationship with you.
Thatâs why I think your fear of settling and commitment is caused by what weâve discussed above: your fear of showing weakness, i.e. being seen as weak.
When I said âDo not settleâ mindset I meant more for like places because Iâm just changing cities every few months. I need to explore lot of places and wonders of nature.
And Yeah Iâd be fine without those girls, but the thing is that Iâm grateful for that because all those girls taught me about myself (more or less) and also not to mention Iâve spent a quality time.
But yeah I do accept I fear being seen as weak.
SereneWolfParticipantAnd another thing is that I’m trying to love myself but I’m doubting myself too. Maybe that’s all these questions and confusion is there?
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Hope you’d able to have good rest and recover. When I have sleep problems, I try warm milk or just warm honey + turmeric waterThis seems like youâre afraid of showing too much vulnerability,Â
I think Yes. and That’s why the shield because showing weakness meaning afraid of more attacks you know?
Also I was thinking like if I show me too much weakness how can I be the protective figure for them?So, weak is bad, but weaker than is even worse?
I guess so, Yeah
Or an even deeper fear: you donât want a committed relationship, because it would sooner or later reveal all of your (perceived) imperfections and weaknesses to the person, and you couldnât bear that?
Iâm not worried about the imperfections thatâs okay for me but I do worry about showing myself as a weak person. Because part of me doesnât accept that Iâm a weak person, The things Iâve been through the weaker person wouldnât be able to pass that. I know Iâm very resilient and strong about what I want.
I think Iâm fear of committed relationship maybe because of fear of missing out. Part of my mind thinks that my freedom wouldnât be the same. What if I meet someone better later on? Because now Iâm doing remote work and able to change cities whenever I want so I just want to explore more. But If I go for the committed route, It feels like Iâd just question my wanderer soul more because I do have what you can say âDo not settleâ mindset.
On another hand If I do start the dating or relationship, I make sure fulfilling my responsibilities from my side. Giving proper attention, Communication, Planning and Spending time together.
So for another fear that what if I hurt the person? Like obviously If we spending good time together there would be connection and etc. and then I show up like sorry but Iâm not ready for any commitment? You know what I mean?
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Right⊠so it seems to me that she felt inferior in your relationship, specially since youâve never or rarely shared about your own weaknesses and vulnerability……………………… And you didnât like that about her. So you stopped being attracted to her, and eventually left her. Does this roughly describe what happened?
Yes actually you guessed it very well.
 You did share some of your âimperfectionsâ and self-doubts. And how did they respond to that?
They both were supportive and trying show me the bright side. But even though I felt like I was being too much vulnerable with them and they’re kind of not that much open? But that may could be also because I told them about my complaining thing
You said that you start feeling trapped very soon after the initial elation about the girl. So when you shared those weaknesses or yours, being authentic, several months into the relationship â at that point did you already start feeling trapped in the relationship?
Hmm I mean I feel trapped after there is good bond. I know good enough about her and she knows good enough about me and then there’s this commitment you know like okay you both love each other and now you’re couple and then this fear of commitment and fear if we’re really good for each other.. about the future.. It just comes and starts to eat up my mind from everywhere and it makes me feel stuck…
So because of this fear of commitment and etc I talked to my friends and they told to go for casual things.. And I’m still confused if that’s really for me or not because I need to feel connected as well but without too much attachment…
Finally just tired and I’m just more focused on work
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
I’m glad you’re feeling better todayshe wasnât being authentic with you and was faking that she likes the things you like, so that you would approve of her?
Maybe yeah I guess… and also I felt like she’s just doing too much for me, So I didn’t felt it right and I felt pressured and after that I started to question myself if I really love her.. So that’s whyLet me ask you something: with your later two girlfriends, have you sometimes shared when youâre not in the best mood, or when you have doubts about yourself (such as what youâve shared here on the forum: that you fear youâre not doing enough, not being successful enough, etc). Do you share those self-doubts with the person youâre involved with?
So yeah with my 1st girlfriend I wasn’t very vulnerable but with later two girlfriends yes.. but like after spending few months…
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee and Dear Anita,
Tee Wrote*
If you believe that you cannot be honest with the other person, that you need to pretend to be perfect (perfectly happy and capable and optimistic and driven) â then no wonder youâll feel trapped.
So it seems to me that you believe â due to your childhood conditioning â that you need to fake it in relationships, and you donât want that. Youâd rather be alone.
Anyway, thatâs my best guessâŠ
What do you think?
 Anita Wrote*
While I am at it, examples: Oct 2: âDear Anita. How was your weekend?â, Oct 29: âDear Anita: How are you? Good Plans for the weekend?â â too close, too friendly, we are not that close. Feels Fake to me.I appreciate that. Maybe youâre right maybe youâre wrong I donât know
But as of now Iâm thinking like being fake like that takes an effort too. And I donât think Iâm that much effortful my relationships or with other peopleI prefer authenticity thatâs what I know
Because When I broke up with my 1st gf (Not LDR) Just because she was trying to fit in with me. I knew sheâs doing these things and showing sheâs enjoying (More or less) Hiking and Walking for hours at the beach..etc but I knew sheâd prefer more if itâs indoor activities
And thatâs what you can say not being authentic or faking?But what I agree with is this what you (Anita) told me before,
(2) your openings are very outgoing and very optimistic. Some people will like it, others will not feel anything in particular about it, and yet those of us who are significantly less outgoing and optimistic than you appear to be- will not like it. âI hope youâre having great Sunday morningâ- is too optimistic for me: I am not in the habit of experiencing great mornings, nor do I expect great mornings, or great days: good isâŠÂ good enough for me. When replying to a personâs message/ communicating with a person, pay attention to their style and somewhat adjust your outgoingness and optimism to theirs.
So that could be my communication part.
If (in another dimension) I was your age and I was your long-distance girlfriend, and this is how you opened your communications with me, I would feel inadequate for not having great and happy weekends myself, wondering:Â whatâs wrong with me for not having weekends as happy and as great as Addyâs?
Then my answer would No because in that case my opening communications would be lot different and even more on in your words âExtremely optimistic and outgoingâ
Iâm not sure how itâs in USA but things like this in my culture These are very basic gestures here
Dear Anita. How was your weekend?
Dear Anita, Hope youâre having a happy weekend
Have you eaten?
Did you sleep well?
How was your journeyâŠetc
Â
So again itâs my communication part
I should know that all doesnât come from same culture. And different people take this in different ways.
Addy
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Oh, Iâm sorry to hear that. covid is still there? Well, I hope youâll be better. Are you trying lemon-ginger tea though? When I tested covid positive around a year ago
Drinking Warm Water instead of normal tap water and having lemon ginger tea at least 3 times a day helped me a lotI am not saying that you should be angry at either your father or mother, and go to attack them and tell them all your grievances. No, thatâs not what I am saying. But what I am saying is that you need to first accept that certain abuse and false, harmful conditioning happened in your childhood. Even if your parents didnât know better â even if they didnât do anything outside of your culture â still, they have harmed you. Their parenting left a mark on you, left certain wounds in your psyche, which you need to heal. If you want to have a happy and fulfilling life.
Admitting that the damage happened â even if your parents didnât do it on purpose â is the first step to healing.
*Sighs* Well yeah I already accepted that I didnât had the best childhood emotional needsâŠ
And Iâm not angry at my parents at all
But I said those things because Itâs better NOW
But youâre right damage is already done in the childhood and that I have to focus and healStarting of this thread Anita told me this,
âlike lot of people my parents didnât knew my emotional needs and they did what they thought is right for me. They just wanted to protect meâ-
â unfortunately, consequences donât care about reasons and intents: a child gets hurt in certain ways because of parentsâ behaviors regardless of the parentsâ intent or ignorance vs. knowledge/ education. Think of it this way, if you will: when you drop a piece of glass to the floor, it breaks regardless of your intent (dropping the glass on purpose or by accident), and regardless of your ignorance vs knowledge/ education (knowing or not that this particular glass will break if dropped to the floor)
And thatâs true. Because without accepting, I canât start my healing journey
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
How’s your weekend going?Buckle up because this is going to be a long one đ
I guess you didnât want to admit it to your father out of spite, because you didnât want him to see you as weak and needy. Maybe another reason is that he didnât approve of âweakâ boys (maybe he sent you the message that âboys donât cryâ?)…….
The thing was that he was mostly indirectly comparing. Like He’s stronger/intelligent than you. (That’s how lot of village parents are) kind of competitive with kids… They be like my kid did this, My kid did that.. etc.. it’s just how it goes here even in small town areas… All just want to protect their own ego by using kids. Itâs sad but yeahâŠ
So I already knew no matter what I do someone would do something better and there’s just no end of that. So I decided like I’m out of the competition I don’t care what my father says anymore.
I donât need his approval. But when I stopped looking for his approval after few years when I started things by myself and doing well without his help heâs more supportive with me. Even though in my tough times my parents were supportive with me when I wasnât be able to find a job. But the thing is theyâre still comparing they see me better because some other kids in village in bad line of work and now heâs like weâre happy, You took your time but at least youâre not doing anything wrong. But thereâs also a thing about it. I definitely learned honesty from my parents. (Me and my parents talked about that on call for more than hour)
So yeah⊠Things are complex to explainEven to this day, you donât want her to see you in a bad mood. You put a big smile whenever you talk to her and pretend that all is well, donât you? And your mother likes it when you wear that signature smile of yours, âthe brightest smileâ.
In fact, this attitude of yours:
I donât want complaint about him or as a matter of fact complain about anything. I just donât see any value in doing that.
âŠ. seems to me like a direct consequence of your motherâs expectation/plea to stay silent and not to complain about your fatherâs abuse. There was no point in complaining because you didnât want to upset her. Was that the reason you left home at the age of 16 â so you wouldnât need to take your fatherâs abuse silently any more?
Hmm itâs not that my mother likes it when I hide, But thereâs a motherly thing you know, Like if Iâm sad and I just act like Iâm good she just knows.. Even on the phone. So also sometimes she pretends that she doesnât know that I know because she knows I donât like her seeing worried. But still tells me itâll be alright.
Now about my father.. I donât think she wanted stop complaining and blah blah blah.. One thing I learned from my mother is always try to look the side where youâre able to do positive action without conflict. (Because of the Family) And as I said before here people just respect their father more so the wife their husbands, And she just didnât wanted to make things worse between us. There was a time when I was talking rarely to my father (On the phone – Because Itâs been years Iâm living by myself) So she would just call me a tell me to talk to my father. Because my father had his own ego heâd be telling my mom that he misses me but he wouldnât directly call me.
So my mom to me is like âone of you have be the understanding one, Now you decideâ
Sheâs just trying our family to hold together,
And I have to respect the woman who put all things aside in her life just for a family.Itâs a false way to protect your heart, which results in you being insincere and cynical. A better way would be to say something like âWhat you just said hurt me. Please donât use that tone with me in the future.â So you express your vulnerability, but also your willingness to protect yourself and to set boundaries so people canât hurt you so easily. Perhaps it can be called the way of a gentle warriorâŠÂ
Hmm.. Not an easy thing to do.. But I can try and I can start by setting the boundaries which I never did before. So Iâll have to look into boundaries topic and be a Gentle warrior đ
You can tell me more about it if you want
SereneWolfParticipantDear Roberta.
She finished her task yesterday.
But before that I did ask if she’s able to do it within the deadline, She said yes, yet still I had to give her reminder the way I did, I know now it wasn’t the right way
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita:
Okay thanks next time I’ll try that. I want to be a good leader so feedback like this would definitely help me.
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
but itâs abuse nonetheless and it is not beneficial to the productivity of the company (she didnât yet complete the task). Plus, it doesnât make you look like a strong manager because your subordinate ⊠didnât complete the task yet.
Okay so what would you do if you’d be at my place as someone who’s managing the team?
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
you were indirectly but clearly rude to this poor colleague of yours. I feel sorry for her and for any other work colleague unfortunate enough to receive your abuse.
Abuse? There’s no such thing as timely responsibility? And I just tried to tell her in sarcastic way to remind her that task is due. I adore my teammates I can’t even think about abusing them.
Abuse would be if I told her “Hey That task is due, it’s been 3 days, It’s better be done by end of the day” in front of everyone.in our long communication I suggested reasons and explanations.. but none was considered by you, none received, and you remain clueless. I highly recommend that you seek quality, professional therapy. I hope that you get to the root of your anger, resolve it, and no longer reflexively attack people at work and elsewhere.
There may have been some misunderstanding. But okay I’ll re-read our thread and try to understand and reflect on things again. I think I’m lot better with my anger issues than before but yeah still working…
Thanks a lot for all your support đ
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
an empathic response would have been something like âOh thatâs terribleâ (reacting to the news of some murder). And then proceed with a suggestion âyou know, thatâs why I never read news so early in the morning â sometimes they are so horrible they spoil my entire day. I prefer to start with xyzâŠâ (here you describe what helps you start your day in a positive, uplifting way).
So you empathize with her feeling of distress, and then you suggest something which might help her in the future. But you donât push your opinion on her (specially since she didnât ask for your advice), and you donât treat her as inferior to you. If you do that, you wonât sound grumpy or condescendingâŠ
That’s extremely helpful thanks for explaining that with good example
it could be because you were attacked a lot in your childhood, and you learned to close your heart and pretend it doesnât hurt. And then you use poisonous darts to defeat the âenemyâ. Maybe itâs like youâre saying âyou canât hurt me, Iâll rather hurt youâ.
Thatâs also true yes. I think thatâs why there are wounds thatâs still there and also the shield so itâs me whoâs not letting it heal I guessâŠ
Yes, that was rather cynical. Was it your subordinate to whom you said that? Was she supposed to complete a task and failed to do that, and this was your way of scolding/criticizing her?
Yes sheâs my subordinate. Sheâs supposed to complete the task and even today she didnât. 4 days late. By saying that I was trying to remind her that better that you finish your task so I donât have to tell you in direct way which you could take even harsh.
So, most of from what you said I think maybe yeah there’s a shield. I can’t deny that. I do use sarcasm as a defense mechanism time to time. But I think I have to protect my heart in one way or another don’t you think so?
And sarcasm is like a whole new language nowadays, so If I’m always saying sincerely what I’m thinking people would think I’m really serious person. and I don’t understand sarcasm.Now I started to think I do have the issue of expressing my emotions or share it openly
SereneWolfParticipantAlso another thing I want to mention is that I did mention that I don’t like people complaining. But still there quite a few people who told me I’m sensitive and good listener.
So it just their point of view or it’s my interest level with people?
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
Addy the boy, with the brightest smile on his face, definitely and with no uncertain terms- will not complain! He will not turn that smile into a frown!
Okay so thing about this is that only the people I really care and trust are able to know when that smile turns into a frown. And sometimes not even them like sometimes I think I donât want my mom to worry about this so I simply donât share that thing with her
outside our online communication, outside the typing of words and smiley faces, and underneath the Friendly-Outgoing-Happy-Addy- there is a fearful Addy, an Avoidant Addy, an Addy who shuns emotional closeness
Iâm also Friendly-Outgoing-Happy-Addy in offline world as well. Because I know how to light up the environment around me. Or at least sometimes.
But itâs also true that I shun emotional closeness and Iâm not sure why⊠Because maybe I donât trust that easily so I just donât get attached that much easily or idk if it’s something elseunderneath the confident, rational, sensible Addy there is⊠a not so rational Addy, a fearful Addy.
So I have to ask myself like what is it that Iâm fearing?
I would like to welcome the Addy underneath the smile into this thread. The rational, brightest-smile, very friendly, confident, outgoing Addy needs the fearful Addy boy because without this precious, fearful boy⊠you are trapped in a vacuum that needs to be filled… filled with all that you are.
Also what Tee SaidÂ
It seems to me, Addy, that the reason you donât like listening to people âcomplainingâ (i.e. sharing about something that bothers them) is that their pain reminds you of your pain, and you donât want to get in touch with that pain (the pain youâve experienced as a child and youth being heavily criticized by your father). You want to quickly jump to solutions, without âsittingâ with that pain, without even admitting itâs there.So, I thought about both of these things, but nothing is comping up from inside, I just don’t know how to be expressive and explain it. Maybe I buried something so deep for so long that I don’t even remember but it’s still there and I don’t know how to work on that
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