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SereneWolfParticipant
Dear Anita,
you were indirectly but clearly rude to this poor colleague of yours. I feel sorry for her and for any other work colleague unfortunate enough to receive your abuse.
Abuse? There’s no such thing as timely responsibility? And I just tried to tell her in sarcastic way to remind her that task is due. I adore my teammates I can’t even think about abusing them.
Abuse would be if I told her “Hey That task is due, it’s been 3 days, It’s better be done by end of the day” in front of everyone.in our long communication I suggested reasons and explanations.. but none was considered by you, none received, and you remain clueless. I highly recommend that you seek quality, professional therapy. I hope that you get to the root of your anger, resolve it, and no longer reflexively attack people at work and elsewhere.
There may have been some misunderstanding. But okay I’ll re-read our thread and try to understand and reflect on things again. I think I’m lot better with my anger issues than before but yeah still working…
Thanks a lot for all your support đSereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
an empathic response would have been something like âOh thatâs terribleâ (reacting to the news of some murder). And then proceed with a suggestion âyou know, thatâs why I never read news so early in the morning â sometimes they are so horrible they spoil my entire day. I prefer to start with xyzâŚâ (here you describe what helps you start your day in a positive, uplifting way).
So you empathize with her feeling of distress, and then you suggest something which might help her in the future. But you donât push your opinion on her (specially since she didnât ask for your advice), and you donât treat her as inferior to you. If you do that, you wonât sound grumpy or condescendingâŚ
That’s extremely helpful thanks for explaining that with good example
it could be because you were attacked a lot in your childhood, and you learned to close your heart and pretend it doesnât hurt. And then you use poisonous darts to defeat the âenemyâ. Maybe itâs like youâre saying âyou canât hurt me, Iâll rather hurt youâ.
Thatâs also true yes. I think thatâs why there are wounds thatâs still there and also the shield so itâs me whoâs not letting it heal I guessâŚ
Yes, that was rather cynical. Was it your subordinate to whom you said that? Was she supposed to complete a task and failed to do that, and this was your way of scolding/criticizing her?
Yes sheâs my subordinate. Sheâs supposed to complete the task and even today she didnât. 4 days late. By saying that I was trying to remind her that better that you finish your task so I donât have to tell you in direct way which you could take even harsh.
So, most of from what you said I think maybe yeah there’s a shield. I can’t deny that. I do use sarcasm as a defense mechanism time to time. But I think I have to protect my heart in one way or another don’t you think so?
And sarcasm is like a whole new language nowadays, so If I’m always saying sincerely what I’m thinking people would think I’m really serious person. and I don’t understand sarcasm.Now I started to think I do have the issue of expressing my emotions or share it openly
SereneWolfParticipantAlso another thing I want to mention is that I did mention that I don’t like people complaining. But still there quite a few people who told me I’m sensitive and good listener.
So it just their point of view or it’s my interest level with people?SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
Addy the boy, with the brightest smile on his face, definitely and with no uncertain terms- will not complain! He will not turn that smile into a frown!
Okay so thing about this is that only the people I really care and trust are able to know when that smile turns into a frown. And sometimes not even them like sometimes I think I donât want my mom to worry about this so I simply donât share that thing with her
outside our online communication, outside the typing of words and smiley faces, and underneath the Friendly-Outgoing-Happy-Addy- there is a fearful Addy, an Avoidant Addy, an Addy who shuns emotional closeness
Iâm also Friendly-Outgoing-Happy-Addy in offline world as well. Because I know how to light up the environment around me. Or at least sometimes.
But itâs also true that I shun emotional closeness and Iâm not sure why⌠Because maybe I donât trust that easily so I just donât get attached that much easily or idk if it’s something elseunderneath the confident, rational, sensible Addy there is⌠a not so rational Addy, a fearful Addy.
So I have to ask myself like what is it that Iâm fearing?
I would like to welcome the Addy underneath the smile into this thread. The rational, brightest-smile, very friendly, confident, outgoing Addy needs the fearful Addy boy because without this precious, fearful boy⌠you are trapped in a vacuum that needs to be filled… filled with all that you are.
Also what Tee SaidÂ
It seems to me, Addy, that the reason you donât like listening to people âcomplainingâ (i.e. sharing about something that bothers them) is that their pain reminds you of your pain, and you donât want to get in touch with that pain (the pain youâve experienced as a child and youth being heavily criticized by your father). You want to quickly jump to solutions, without âsittingâ with that pain, without even admitting itâs there.So, I thought about both of these things, but nothing is comping up from inside, I just don’t know how to be expressive and explain it. Maybe I buried something so deep for so long that I don’t even remember but it’s still there and I don’t know how to work on that
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
I can empathize with someone who has broken their leg, even tough I myself have never broken a limb. But I can imagine how hard it is for them, and I have experienced other types of physical pain, so I can relate.
I donât know if this explains it?
Yes, it explains it well actually, thanks for the good example.
Just today I’ve tried to empathize my friend, but the thing was that her stupidity made me little grumpy so.. Like who reads negative news (Murder and etc) super early in the morning and then be like âIt felt like a nightmareâ?And for work I had to speak in Indirect way to one of the colleague ” like yeah it’s not like I told you to do it 3 days before. Obviously, you have other important stuff to do” but after that I felt like I did hurt her in some way.
I donât know why attacking like that is a reflex for me
Do you have to deal with people like them?SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita
So describing the photo
I don’t have many childhood pics so I didn’t had many options đ
But luckily the ones I have are good ones.
The photo I chose is me wearing green t-shirt white stripped with big (not too big) smile
My mum still tells me I have brightest smile.
That time I had dimples too. Not now (sucks)
And innocent looks with drape haircut haha
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Validating the personâs pain is the first step to empathy.
I understood thisIn fact, there is a step before that: In order to validate another personâs pain, we need to first be in touch with our own pain and validate our pain. We canât be empathetic with others unless we feel empathy for ourselves first.
But I couldn’t understand this. What if we didn’t have the similar pain or experience?It seems to me, Addy, that the reason you donât like listening to people âcomplainingâ (i.e. sharing about something that bothers them) is that their pain reminds you of your pain, and you donât want to get in touch with that pain (the pain youâve experienced as a child and youth being heavily criticized by your father). You want to quickly jump to solutions, without âsittingâ with that pain, without even admitting itâs there.
Hmm This is something I have to think about and ask questions to myself
Empathy is the opposite of that: admitting the pain, sitting with it, not judging ourselves for it, just witnessing it and having compassion for ourselves for having experienced such pain.
Yes I think you explained it well.
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita
But you donât want to, Addy. All I can do is suggest
I think we have little bit of misunderstanding here. Because on another thread I haven’t updated you.
I’m working on my Inner Child Work and also as you told me like a photo. and I’m also asking questions to myself like what my inner child needs now?SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
How are you doing today?stop for a while and examine the distress: what is it really about?
Hmm Right I’ll try that
you will need to manage the impulsive, impatient, stubborn, action-oriented, instant-solutions-hungry part of your brain and limit its contribution to situations that have quick solutions.
What are the good ways for managing that?
maybe Addy the boy wants to complain about his father being hard on him and attacking him with criticism.
To be honest. No. I don’t want complaint about him or as a matter of fact complain about anything. I just don’t see any value in doing that
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita & Tee
Thank you both for your insightful response. It lightened my bulb about being Empathic. I should try to be more empathic than trying to not criticize. I put some TED videos on my watchlist to understand Empathy on deeper level. Also, I think it’d also be really helpful professionally too, Since I’m in Management position so I should be listening with empathy than criticize or judge.
Tee said
“And since there is not just an expectation, but also pressure that you put on her, thatâs not really kind and caring. I think itâs closer to controlling”
I agree with that because in the past I used to be kind of controlling person. And I’m still working on thatMaybe you donât like her complaining
Yes, I donât like when people complain and not doing anything about it.
Although now I know what you mean is really emphasizing but mostly what I do is when I listen to complain I directly go for solutions I think the urge to change her
Not really. I may have reacted like that, but I don’t have intention to change anyone. as I said before I just listened complains and went for solutions that’s whyAnita said,
it seems like I suggested to you that there is a connection between your present problems and your childhood,
Yes. Because I was unsure and maybe I still am?
The thing is that one side of my action-oriented brain like “okay, so you know now. What now? How to solve that?”
(I think it may or may not be side effect of working at so “Fast paced start-up” I don’t like this word anymore because getting things done right away mentality)
But another side of my brain knows that these things (Like CEN) take time to heal. Taking small steps and figuring things out (Example: today I knew that I have to work on my empathy skills)
One part of my brain is very impatient, and one part is patience so thatâs why Iâm unsure and you feel I had a change of mind stop redirecting your criticism of your father to ===> your virtual girlfriend (and possible future real-life girlfriends). You know how it feels to be criticized⌠donât do it to the woman in your life, or to your future children, in the name of being a âvery caring personâ, be it a very-caring-boyfriend/ husband, or a very-caring-father.
Yes, you’re right thanks for point that out. That’s why I have to work on my empathy skills because I’m realizing just because I’m being hard on myself, I don’t have to be hard on others. I need to be more compassionate with others and myself.
this is what criticism (the boldfaced)Â
Yes, I agree. Iâm getting better at not listening to others criticism.
And also, lately Iâm talking to myself positively instead of directly attacking myself with criticism.Addy
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Thanks for your suggestion.
“He wouldnât stop sticking to his old thought and values. so why waste that energy?”
I’ve said that for a reason. like he’s old and grew up in different environment much different than my girlfriends. That’s why I said sticking to old thought and values. and as his kid I can’t tell him how to be improve himself. That’s not in our culture.Another thing. Girlfriends are also friends. and I’m very caring person. so as same age and advising them to improve when they complain about like “uugh I feel so tired I should’ve slept on time last night” is fixing?
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
I agree healing needs to be done. but past is past we can’t change that. We can only accept that and learn from it.
And there’s just so much good things that I still feel since my childhood. I get happy even seeing the smallest possible natural things happening around me. It makes me smile and forget all the worry and it does make me remember that my inner child is still alive and I’m taking care of that inner child in me. I’m not listening to others. Sometimes I sleep on the roof even if I get cold, but I know how much I love staring at sky filled with stars, Same for taking care of small plants leaf by leaf. Other thinks it’s silly and childish but I love it.SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
Okay so I understand this much that lot of things are attached to the past childhood trauma etc. And maybe it’s true. but what if I’ve had a “perfect” parent I would be perfect emotionally? I doubt that. Because human mind is not perfect, and I think lot of the responsibilities comes to us after we’re mature enough… Like people don’t even know what they want even when they’re 60-70 and how can we expect our parent meet our every emotional expectation when we’re child? So why putting everything on past childhood traumas to heal instead of trying to recognize our selves now in the present and try to find solution based on the present moment? because we’re always evolving, and change is the nature. We’re not the same person we were 5-10 years agoAddy
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
Today I was thinking about my relationship patterns when I was taking a walk and I found out these things
Most of my relationship Start with me giving good attention,
I feel so much attracted,
I do the extra caring
Writing letters and poems. etc
and like after some time if they also giving me same energy all goes well for few days
and after that when they finally start to get even closer with me, I just feel like I don’t know how to explain but like trapped?
And I just feel more distant when they try to be closer with me and I feel fear to be committed so after that I just try to avoid the deep feelings but already late from the other side
I never intent to hurt anyone and also in my next relationship I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelingsWhat should I do about that?
November 16, 2022 at 9:13 am in reply to: Your Daily Must-Do’s for Physical & Mental Health? #410186SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
I find it amusing but I’m kind of agree with you as well. I’ll try do that
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