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PeterParticipant
Sometimes Love requires that a relationship end. Trust your intuition, you know what needs to happen.
If you end the relationship you should stop all contact if only to create some space for you to work on yourself and what you really want from a relationship. I recommend the book âHow to be an adult in Relationshipsâ.
PeterParticipantSorry your feeling this way. You are not alone; a person can have a lot to be grateful and still experience loneliness and depression. Telling yourself that your wrong to have such feelings could be making such feelings stronger perhaps even finding yourself stuck feeling bad for feeling badâŚ
It sounds odd doesnât it, feeling bad for feeling bad for feeling bad and down the rabbit hole we go. But this is what often happens when we label our feelings as wrong. A Label that can distract us from finding and dealing with what we need to attend to.
Here is an interesting paradox; what if feeling guilty for the way you feel, unworthy to feel what you are feeling, is connected to your experience of worthlessness. Is it possible that a step to moving forward and out of this stuck-ness is to acknowledge what you feeling? Your feelings and your needs have value. You have value. What your feeling is not wrong, emotions are information letting you know that something needs attention. You need attention. Finding someone to talk to, (maybe not a friend or family member) might be of help to untangle your thoughts and feelings.
“I wish I could start the past three/four years of my life all over again and re-do all the mistakes I’ve made.”
You have an inner wisdom speaking to you: There is no do over and even if you could start again you would make the same “mistakes”. This inner wisdom knows you did the best you could with what you knew at the time. In hindsight, you have learned better but learning better doesnât allow one to time travel and do over. We can only take what was learned and apply to the present. But you already know this. The only mistake is not learning from our experiences.
Practice moving your attention from the past, from regret, and focus it on the now where when you learn better you do better. What more can you ask of others or yourself. Trust your intuition. You have inner resources just waiting to be discovered and that will amaze you.
November 29, 2017 at 1:49 pm in reply to: Please, please something is very wrong with my mind! #179987PeterParticipantI have never heard of Derealisation and Depersonalisation before. Iâm glad to hear you manage to get over it but canât image what having such an experience would be like.
Much of Buddhist practice is to be the observer to oneâs thoughts, emotions and body as well to realize the illusion of time – past and future in order to be present. But with your past experiences of DPDR such a practice might be disorienting so I hesitate commenting on your postâŚ
If you continue to meditate a guided meditation might be helpful. Someone to bring you back to your self and teach you how to return. (I wonder if its possible that your gifted in this regard but have not yet learned how to master it. Having a âOdd Perceptionâ could be a door to creativity and discovery if you learn how to master it and let go of all the labels your applying to yourself) You might also benefit from talking to a Jungian Analyst or other professional.
You might find the following book interesting but be careful if you have a tendency to overthink things as one of the suggestions is learning how to observe the self. If your prone to DPDR that could be a problem but then you might learn that its not a problem at all, just a different perception, not odd at all, maybe even helpful. Â âThe Untethered Soul: The Journey Beyond Yourselfâ by Michael A. Singer
I wish you well
PeterParticipantWhen I notice myself feeling anxious I stop what Iâm doing and take moment and remind myself that I am not my thoughts, I am not my memories/past, I am not my emotions. I am the observer of thoughts, memories and emotions.  In this way space is created to take a breath and change perspective to what is happening around me allowing the experience to flow. That statement is also the mantra I use when I start a specific time of meditation. (Eventually the practice of meditation isnât something a person does only during a specific time a day but a practice of every moment)
Another mediation visualization I do is imagining myself as a wheel with spokes. I notice that as the wheal turns there is a difference perspective of time depending where my awareness is directed. When directed at the end of a specific spoke the wheel contacting the ground for a moment (present) and then going around… From this perspective, the world rushing by can be intimidating as my attention is constantly moving between what is coming and then what is past. I then draw my attention down the spoke to the center of the hub. From this perspective, the center of the hub spins so quickly that it remains still. The still point. From this point the past, present, future occur at the same time and no longer intimidating.  I look out from the still point and see the world as it is and say yes. I practice directing my attention up and down the spokes and rest at the still point
âAt the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless;Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is, But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity, Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards, Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.â â TS Eliot
I also like the Zen practice of entering into an activity like archery or dance where the focus isnât only on the outcome but allowing the experience to teach us. As you train your new puppy (congratulations) enter into the experience and allow it to teach you. One thing I noticed about dogs is that they react to the energy of the owner more then they do with words and commands. This is a perfect place to practice being calm and intentional as you train your puppy and then maybe practice the same techniques with yourself. Practice showing yourself the same patients and love that you show your puppy and remember to have fun with it. The puppy will love you without judgment can you learn to love yourself with out judgment?
PeterParticipantIt sounds like your anxiety often results in anxiety attracts which are often triggered by feeling anxious about being anxious. That might sound odd however when we get to the point of a anxiety attract that is usually what is happening. Our attention becomes fixated on the anxiety which feeds the anxiety and we get stuck. No wonder we canât breathe, all our energy and attention is stuck in a loop.
Worry about the future and failing may be unskillful and something to work on, however it is normal. These fears (false evidence appearing real) can be dealt with however the anxiety is getting in the way and taking up all your energy. The issue is not your fears but anxiety. Let the issues behind your fears go. You can deal with them after you learn how to work with your anxiety. One step at a time. Trying to fix everything all at once will only feed your anxiety.
Having had anxiety attacks I learned the key was to stop fighting them and allowing the experience to flow. The first step was to notice and make the experience conscious as soon as possible so that I could respond and not just react.
Saying No I Will Not let myself feel anxious is only going to feed the anxiety and encourage an attack. The next time your experiencing an attack see if you can let your self observe it without judgment. Notice which parts of your body gets tense and when your mind becomes fixated. Notice what your consciousness fixated on and practice withdrawing it, distracting yourself from it, look away. Notice if you are applying labels to the experience and practice acknowledging the thoughts as information without labels of good or bad. Notice if you get angry at yourself for the labels you created about your experience. How much of the anger and anxiety you experience a result of the labels and how much on what is or has occurred. Â (How much of the experience was objective and how much subjective.)
In this way, the experience can flow through you vice creating a log jam, (picture yourself as a running river) Eventually the amount of time in the attack will decrease until you wonât bother with them anymore. The anxiety having served its purpose as something to push against for greater awareness
I like to picture my consciousness as a dog with normal dog characterises like curiosity, playfulness, loyalty and protective. My dog awareness is easily distracted⌠squirrel⌠ and sometimes that protective loyalty pays to much attention to my anxiety which makes it anxious or on what it canât see or know (uncertainty) and so barks and barks or worse bites and wonât let go.  During these times, I picture attaching a leash and redirecting the attention elsewhere. Often it just takes a slight tug on the leash. (Never a bad dog or becoming angry. It seems the dog response best when Iâm calm and intentional) I picture myself training my conciseness to heal, to fetch, to play, to protect⌠Instead of my conciseness directing me I direct my conciseness.
PeterParticipantOne of the purpose of relationships is to create the space where we get to deal with our past hurts so that we can become. Your ahead of the game as you recognized that you will bring this into whatever relationship youâre in until you learned what you need to learn/heal. Â As you are aware of this I have no doubt that you will end the cycle. Â I found the book by David Ricco âHow to be a Adult in Relationshipsâ very helpful as I had unrealistic expectations about relationship â impacted by past hurts that need to be healed.
PeterParticipantWe love to measure our experiences. Am I happy now? What about now? Maybe now? Is this it, was that it? We suck at measuring experience and more often than not the act of measuring/judging an experience kills it and takes us out of the present. Happiness could slap us in the face and we would fail to notice. We suck at measuring and end up telling ourselves crap stories that we then begin to live. We become the stories we tell.
The practice of meditation becomes helpful once we realize that the practice isnât something we do is a certain period of time but in every breathe we take. When we make life our practice we notice how the words we use to measure our experience changes the experience and let them go and doing so allowing the experience to flow through us. We learn to dance with our experiences and not against them.
There is a time for all things. Time to go to the gym as a practice of discipline. A time to go to the gym to engage with our body. A time to go to the gym to socialize, and a time to stay home. All valid experiences that have nothing and everything to do with how your feeling.
PeterParticipantYou have to stop doing this to yourself. You have to break all contact and remove all reminders. Cold Turkey. There is no other way. If you continue to play the game you are choosing to lose.
If choosing to play the game is a authentic choice live it authentically without judgment or complaint you will soon learn what you need to learn from it and move forward. Its the wanting to stop but not wanting to stop that is keeping you stuck
November 26, 2017 at 12:06 pm in reply to: How can I train myself to stop suppressing emotions #179495PeterParticipantCreating some space for yourself might be a place to start. Somewhere to meditate or read a book about reconnecting with yourself. Some time just for you to be with you.
You may find joining a book club or perhaps taking a weekend seminar on something that interests you a great place to practice expressing yourself. Neutral ground where you are free to say and feel what think and feel.
Talking to a professional would help you identify what it is you want to expresses as well as help you find healthy ways to do so with your family.
PeterParticipantYou may also find the books and audio lectures by Clarissa Pinkola Estes helpful.
Her telling of the ‘Ugly duckling’ story has a great deal of insight into the problem you face of finding your home/tribe.“The doors to the world of the wild Self are few but precious. If you have a deep scar, that is a door, if you have an old, old story, that is a door. If you love the sky and the water so much you almost cannot bear it, that is a door. If you yearn for a deeper life, a full life, a sane life, that is a door. Open the door of your pain and walk through.”
“All that you are seeking is also seeking you. If you lie still, sit still, it will find you. It has been waiting for you a long time.” –Â Clarissa Pinkola Estes
A Blessing
Refuse to fall down
If you cannot refuse to fall down,
refuse to stay down.
If you cannot refuse to stay down,
lift your heart toward heaven,
and like a hungry beggar,
ask that it be filled.
You may be pushed down.
You may be kept from rising.
But no one can keep you from lifting your heart
toward heaven
only you.
It is in the middle of misery
that so much becomes clear.
The one who says nothing good
came of this,
is not yet listening. – Clarissa Pinkola Estes- This reply was modified 7 years, 1 month ago by Peter.
PeterParticipantYou are not alone even though you feel alone. At some point in all our lives we all seek out our tribe our other family. It is out there looking for you as you look for it.
I like the following blog wanderlust.com/journal/how-to-find-your-tribe/
PeterParticipantThere are many levels to intelligence and emotional/self intelligence may be the most difficult to obtain and transform into wisdom especially when it comes to this thing we call Love
Choosing not to risk again does not make you unlovable. Its just a choice. There is a time for all things even a time to step back from relationships. Is it possible this choice of not letting anyone close enough to see your authentic self is causing as much pain as you feel when you close the door to its possibility. If so a step toward healing may be accepting that choice, for now, as a choice. No need for a facade, frustration or burning bridges, just time to create space to rediscover yourself.
Iâm not sure why keeping up the facade is tied to the choice to keep others at a distance to protect yourself and I wonder what you might experience if you let all this thinking of facades go and just be you. You have nothing to lose if you are truly unlovable.
Its sounds to me anyway like you function like most normal people â as its normal is being insecure at times and put up facades. Normal to feel unlovable when things donât go has w hoped. I hope you find a way to create some space to love yourself.
PeterParticipant“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality.” -Seneca
A exploration of Love might be helpful. I recommend the following books by David Richo
How to Be an Adult in Love – Letting love in Safely and Showing it Recklessly
We were made to love and be loved. Loving ourselves and others is in our genetic code. Itâs nothing other than the purpose of our livesâbut knowing that doesnât make it easy to do. We find it a challenge to love ourselves. We might have a hard time letting love in from others: recognizing it, accepting it. Weâre often afraid of getting hurt. It is also sometimes scary for us to share love with those around usâand love that isnât shared leaves us feeling flat and unfulfilled.
The Five Longings – What Weâve Always Wanted and Already Have
There are five longings deep within us. They are for love, meaning, freedom, happiness, growth. Each of these five reveals us to ourselves, showing us what we want, what our life is for, what keeps us going, what keeps us looking. Longings are mysterious. We often canât quite name or explain them. Nor can they ever be perfectly, fully, or finally gratified. We shyly or loudly bring our longings to others. Sometimes we find more than we hoped for, sometimes less. Our healthy practice is a radical one: We notice and ask for some fulfillment of our longings from those we trust. We give up expecting all or perfect satisfaction. We notice that we have longings for the lasting in a world that is always changing. We can take that as a clue to the presence of something transcendent in us. With such spiritual consciousness we finally discover that all five longings reflect qualities in our true nature. We are seeking what we are.
PeterParticipantEveryone thinks/feels their suffering is unique, that they alone are alone in their suffering. All the lonely people where do they all come from. Everyone alone and unique and it is that which connects us all
To love means loving the unlovable. To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable. Faith means believing the unbelievable. Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless. Gilbert K. Chesterton
To love means loving the unlovable â Its so easy to love when everything goes the way we want but that is not when we love. We experience and expresses love when things are happening that we donât want.
Unlovable is only cognitive dissonance of a word not understood. Â The pain that your experiencing isnât about love or being unleavable but wanting to control life and the experience of love. Let it go and open yourself to the experiences that come your way.
Often not belonging is trying to fit in where our authentic self is not at home. Finding ones âFamilyâ is part of everyoneâs experience – you are not alone.
Anyone who has ever been an ugly adolescent – and we are legion – knows that the feeling of being unlovely and unlovable never goes away; it is always there, lurking just beneath the surface. Ruth Reichl
âUnworthiness is the inmost frightening thought that you do not belong, no matter how much you want to belong, that you are an outsider and will always be an outsider. It is the idea that you are flawed and cannot be fixed. It is wanting to be loved and feeling unlovable, or wanting to love and feeling that you are not capable of loving.â Gary Zukav
Maybe you’ve decided you’re not a genius, that you’re not brilliant, that you’re not prosperous, that you’re not wonderful, that you’re not lovable. Well, you know what? You’re both: you’re unlovable and you are lovable. And they both need equal time. Debbie Ford
PeterParticipantSorry words can get away from me.
To Summarize: Away to deal with feelings of frustration is to make the conscious, recognize the feelings for what they are and let them flow/go.  Notice, experience, breathe and move forward⌠maybe with a silent prayer or positive thought towards the person you were hoping to help.
The above lead me to thinking about how we direct or donât direct our conciseness. I suspect most people donât think of conciseness as something they direct though that is one of the purposes of the practice of meditation. I would argue that such a practice isnât something to do in an hour but in every moment.
Anyway. I visualize my conciseness as being dog like. Attracted to any experience that stands out especially fear. Sometimes its ok to let my awareness run free but sometimes I need to put a “leash” on it and ask it to heal (return to the still point). Especially when it becomes fixated on fear, a memory or an emotion like frustration which tends to intensifies the situation. Â I find doing so in a calm intentional manner is most effective.
My thinking was that if you took up such a practice (however you wish to visualize it) you would be in a better position to influence those you wish to help. I suspect that your frustration with feeling frustrated as well as most of the studentâs anxiety is a result of consciousness becoming fixated on the issue or emotion and so not being able to, âbreatheâ and let the experience flow through.
This brings me to my favorite quote:
âAt the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless; Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is, But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity, Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards, Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.”-  TS Eliot
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