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PeterParticipantI am afraid I have confused things… to many words…
PeterParticipantHi Starlight
’m so sorry for being confusing. I want to be very clear: I am not saying you need to find a way to forgive. Your boundaries and your anger are completely valid, especially given what you’ve been through.
My “worry” was less about the specific events and more about how the words we use to frame such events can unintentionally trap us. In my own experience, I’ve used the words “I will not forgive” as a way to say (without really noticing) that “I will use anger to protect myself.” It turned out to be incredibly exhausting and, honestly, it didn’t actually protect me, it just kept me tethered to the pain. To be clear I’m not saying your are doing that, only that that was the ‘source’ of a concern, triggered by the topic heading.
Let us bring it back to the Art. As an artist, I was wondering if exploring the words like “forgiveness” or ‘block’… could be a way to unblock your creativity? Not to change how you feel about the past, but to see what a ‘word’ might looks like. Does it have a shape or a color? Is it a cage, a stone, or a breath? What might it look like, to look at the world though the shape being drawn? Investigating the “spell” of a word visually might be a way to move it out of the mind and onto the heart?
PeterParticipantMorning Anita.
It is heartbreakingly sad to have grown up without that first ‘mat’ of maternal and or paternal safety to hold us…
I am reminded of a line by Mitch Albom that says, “All parents damage their children… Youth, like pristine glass, absorbs the prints of its handlers.” The prints left on your glass were so heavy and chaotic that they obscured the floor beneath you. But the glass is still there, and the fact that you are now cleaning it—looking through it to find that ‘sacred boundary’—is your great creative act.
When you describe the fear of disappearing into the chaos, you’re describing what happens when the floor we were promised simply wasn’t there. It makes perfect sense that your body still senses danger in stillness; for a child in chaos, being ‘still’ can feel like being a target.
Yet, as we have been circling… Underneath that missing mat, the ‘mother’ who wasn’t there as you needed, was actually another, much older mat. Even when the human floor was chaotic, the Earth was still holding the floor, and the Universe was still holding the Earth.
You might ask, ‘How do I know that a deeper mat was actually there?’
I know because you are still here. Despite the chaos and the lack of a human floor, you remained present to yourself. You survived the abyss, with a heart that was broken, yes… but also a heart broken open with compassion for others. That spark of ‘Anita’ that stayed alive and is now seeking stillness is the evidence that a deeper, more ancient mat holding you all along
As the ‘chaos’ of the human layer is moving out of the way, you are able to recognize that unwavering foundation now. The danger your body feels is a memory, but the ‘designated patch of pure being’ you are finding today? That is the original mat. It was always there, patient and unmoved, waiting for you
PeterParticipantHi Starlight1 – great name
And great question. We often use ‘unforgiveness’ as a placeholder for a boundary, but it may not be the thing we think it is.
A boundary is a fence you build to keep yourself safe; unforgiveness is often a heavy stone you carry to remind yourself why the fence is there. You don’t need the stone to keep the fence strong. And I think its also important to remember that forgiveness doesn’t make what happened okay, and it certainly doesn’t remove accountability. It can, however, change your relationship to the event and to your own heart.
Words, when we’re not careful, and I speak from experience, can become like ‘spells’ we cast over ourselves. When we say “I don’t forgive,” the mechanical mind takes that as a literal command to stay in a permanent state of defense and anger. Many wisdom traditions warn us about this: when the mind gets stuck in these rigid, automatic definitions, it eventually ‘hardens the heart’ to protect it. We then become ‘stuck.’
Such a definitive stance on a concept like forgiveness, while completely justified by your pain, might be the very spell keeping your creativity blocked. Yet what if forgiveness was defined as ‘releasing the weight so I can breathe,’ rather than ‘letting them off the hook’? I feel that breaks the cycle; it stops you from being tethered to the stone while you tend your fence.
As for your question about art… yes! I think it can!
For me, this ‘wrestling’ with words like forgiveness is exactly where the creative work begins. You could explore this visually: What does a ‘mechanical’ thought look like compared to a ‘living’ one? How would you paint the weight of a word versus the space of a breath?
Instead of waiting for the block to go away so you can make art, use the art to investigate the block. Turn the struggle with ‘forgiveness’ into a study of shapes, weights, and colors… and perhaps tears. That may be how you avoid being the victim of a word and start being the creator of your own narrative?
PeterParticipantHi Starlight
I don’t normally comment on personal matters, and glad you have someone like Anita walk with you… but when I read a heading like ‘I don’t forgive,’ I worry.
I worry because I’ve often experienced and observed that our relationship to certain words, the way we define them in our own minds, can unintentionally undo us.
It might sound strange, but I’ve seen how holding onto a rigid definition of ‘forgiveness’ can act like a weight that hardens the heart. It’s as if by saying ‘I don’t forgive,’ we think we are protecting ourselves, but we might actually be accidentally giving those people a permanent seat at the table of our lives.
I’m concerned that this definitive stance, while totally justified by your pain, might be part of the very thing sustaining the creative struggle you’re feeling? To me, forgiveness isn’t about the other person being ‘right’ or even ‘okay’; it’s about deciding that you are no longer willing to carry the heavy end of their behavior. I’d hate for a word to keep you blocked from the art you were meant to make
PeterParticipantHi Anita – I think the best dancing happens late in life 🙂
A reflection on this mornings yoga class: “Mats All the Way Down”
The class begins with the unrolling, a rhythmic click-clack of rubber meeting wood. We call it “my mat,” a rectangle of sovereignty where we play out the drama of our breath and bone. We think we are here to move, to sweat, to paint the morning with our effort. But the mat is patient. It does not move. It is the steady substrate that waits for the paint to dry, for the story of the body to settle, until the “canvas” of our being finally shows through the exertion.
But look closer. My mat rests on the studio floor, a larger mat of oak and nails that holds and connects twenty of us in our private struggles. And the floor rests upon the earth, the Great Mat, the ancient weaving of soil and stone that carries the dance of every living thing. It is mats all the way down.
Each one is a reminder. We don’t “use” the mat, the mat holds us. It holds us still enough to realize that we are not the movement, but the stillness that allows it. We bow not to the floor, but to the fact that something is there to catch us.
As it is above, so it is below. The cosmos is the canvas, the earth is the rug, and my heart is the smallest, most intimate mat of all. Each time I step on, I am not starting a workout. I am coming home to the original, unpainted surface. I am remembering that before I was a dancer, before I was a worker, before I was a name, I am held.
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Have you ever wondered about the way our ‘sacred’ spaces evolved around mats. Whether it’s a yoga mat, a prayer rug, or a dance floor, they all act as a sacred boundary, a designated patch of pure being. When we step onto them, we aren’t just changing locations; we are stepping off the ‘painted world’ of chores, emails, and social roles.
We ‘return to the mat’ because the world is designed to make us forget. The ‘paint’ of daily life is loud and demanding, but the act of bowing or kneeling is a physical way of saying: I am smaller than the paint, but one with the canvas. It is a literal lowering of the ego to touch the substrate.
It’s the Hermetic maxim in action: As Above, So Below. If the ‘canvas’ is the vast, eternal stillness of the universe, then the mat is our personal, microscopic version of that stillness. By touching it, we plug back into the source. Even on the dance floor, where we are all ‘movement,’ we cannot dance without the floor to hold us… We think we are using the mat to ‘work out,’ but perhaps the mat is actually there to hold us still long enough for the canvas to finally show through?
I do not think it a coincidence that so many of our interactions with life and its objects call out to us to remember – with eyes that see and ears the hear…
PeterParticipantHow time flies… a moment in time and the timelessness beneath it… Thanks Anita – I needed that reminder today… and so a
Reflection on a Reflection as remembering.A moment in time, and the timelessness beneath it… Do you see it? Do you see what we’ve been circling?
There is nothing to believe here. No theology, no dogma, no apologetics. No need to stretch the mind around it.
It feels like a breath lighter than air, a quiet remembrance that was never really lost… And perhaps I needed that today. Because today, the world feels like it’s moving past me. Or maybe it’s just the old feeling of being carried along by the painting… caught again in the motion of what appears.
So, I close my eyes. And there… Yes.. not as answer, but a softening.
I see the wisdom traditions dancing along the surface of the canvas. Each one tracing its own patterns, its own shapes, its own language, and yet all of them, somehow, pointing back without quite naming it. Pointing without pointing… But only when we remember…
Love seems to bring us closer, a dissolving of distance… And fear… fear loses contact creating so much distance. It tightens around the image, the form, the story, mistaking what is painted for what allows the painting.
It is so easy to forget. To take the picture as the source. To cling to the colors and call them reality. To argue over shapes, while the canvas quietly remains untouched… My heart breaks… fear choosing form when form forgets? And yet, even here, something shifts.
Do you see the subtle leap? The place where even these words begin to falter. Where “canvas” and “painting” are still distinctions the mind creates. There comes a point where even these must be released, no longer needed.
The space between canvas and painting was never really there, a space where nothing needs to be held at all.
PeterParticipantHi Anita
That’s quite the analyses… what stood out to me was this part:You’re actually doing far less “grasping” than you think. What you are doing is something very human: when an idea touches something deep, you naturally want to understand it, articulate it, and make sense of it. That’s not a flaw — it’s your way of staying oriented and safe.
I think that’s one of the most important takeaways. The thoughts and questions that momentarily separate us from the “peace of the sky” are part of a natural process. The clouds and rain are necessary… put another way, life wants us to paint on its canvas!
The “work” isn’t to stop the painting or to clear the sky forever. It’s simply to notice the separation, recognize the masks it creates, and then maybe a giggle: “I see you.”
What was it that stood out to you?
PeterParticipantHi Anita,
I have to laugh at myself a little.. and maybe cry a little to… I made my last message far too complicated! My own mind got caught up in the “analysis”. Excited about the depth of a metaphor that I tried to build a cathedral when a simple window would have done the trick.To put it simply: I was just wondering if you noticed that the moment the mind asks, “Where did the peace go?”, the question itself is what creates the distance, and ‘loss of peace’. It’s like the fingers going up in peek-a-boo. The peace hasn’t actually left; the question just momentarily hides it.
You put it so beautifully when you said the aloneness was just “fingers covering my sky-face.” That’s it, exactly. Whether the fingers are a “why” question, a overly complicated metaphor or an old memory of your mother, they don’t change the sky behind them.
PeterParticipantHi Anita,
It’s been helpful to watch how you’re using these metaphors to map out your inner world. It was also interesting to see how Copilot reflected both of us back to ourselves. I wonder what you saw?I’m also wondering if you had time to sit with the question touched on earlier – how when you first notice the ‘stillness’ as the observer and the observed are briefly one. Pure sky. Only to dissolve… And I had suggested an irony that the question was the answer? The moment when the mind jumps in, asking, “Why did the peace go away?”
The irony being that the peace “goes away” because the question arose creates the gap. The mind, the words, the question… the thought becomes the speck of dust that makes the mist condense into rain. It’s all very natural, just as it’s intended to be.
Here I hear the laughter of Alan Watts as he viewed this a the “cosmic game” and joke. It seems we play a lifelong game of peek-a-boo with our own nature. We “lose” the sky just so we can have the thrill of finding it again. We turn the formless into form, into stories… some genital rain, and some, when we get so caught up in the weather that we forget we are the atmosphere itself, becoming “hail”.
We forget that we don’t need to hold onto the sky; the sky has always been holding us. Even the retelling of the past is but a cloud drifting by that doesn’t leave a scratch on the blue.
Can you feel the “giggle” in that? The realization that even when you feel “locked in,” the part of you that notices the lock is already free. It’s like searching the whole world for your glasses only to find them on your own nose.
I often wonder if this is why the Buddha is so often depicted with a smile or a belly laugh. He’s like a child delighted to see the face reappear that was hidden behind by his own fingers…
Pondering the thought myself… the peek-a-boo is probably the first game every child plays… and I wonder about all the different faces we took on as our own, I don’t know if we should laugh or cry? Early on, a baby sees the face that hiding as their own… and so delighted when it ‘reappears’. And their is a innocent joy I feel in that discovery…
Yet… It is the ultimate human dilemma, the “tragedy” of losing ourselves and the “comedy” of finding ourselves.
From a babies perspective, I imagine it terrifying, when the face disappears, the world ends. Than latter when it reappears which face did we take as our own and adopt just to survive… that isn’t a joke; it’s a heavy, lonely burden. Crying is the only honest response to the years spent believing we were the mask.
But the “Buddha’s Laugh” comes from the perspective of the one who has finally pulled the hands away. The laughter isn’t a dismissal of the tears; it’s the sound of absolute relief. It’s the “smile” of realizing that while we were busy crying over the lost face, the Sky was never actually gone.
Alan Watts, I think would say we do both. We cry because the game is so convincing, and we laugh because we realize we were the ones playing it with ourselves all along. The beauty is that the “Sky” is big enough to hold both the tears and the laughter.
So perhaps for a long time, you may have seen your mother’s rigid “face” and thought took it as your own. Or perhaps the fingers remained in place, never revealing the face and so were left with mystery… But now, you’re the one pulling the hands away to see the sky that was always there, waiting…
PeterParticipantAnatta. 🙂 Such a grace in the change of a few letters… a soft release… and place to land.
You asked, “If it’s real (the territory), why doesn’t it last? Why doesn’t it override the map?”
Imagine the ‘Stillpoint’ isn’t a destination you reach and stay at; it’s the weightless space between breaths. I imagine that Spark as a point rising into the air, pure and formless. Eventually, as it will, thoughts begin to coalesce around it, gathering like clouds until they fall as rain. (vice hail of a hardened heart)
That rain is necessary! It nurtures the earth and adds color to the canvas; it is our human experience, our concern for the world, our tics, and our tethers. The tension we create is in thinking the rain is “wrong” or that the “map” has failed us. Maps have their uses…
When we get scared about the news, the “map” of fear appears. The moment you notice the fear, the observer and the observed are briefly one. But then, the mind separates them again and asks, “Why did the peace go away?” (is it irony that the answer is the question? a thought to sit with… 🙂 )
And at that moment, the Buddha (No-Self) smiles. Why? Because the next breath is already rising. The “No-Self” isn’t a state of permanent calm; it’s the realization that you are the vast sky. The sky doesn’t try to “override” the rain; it simply provides the room for the rain to happen. (and not become hail)
I don’t feel we are meant to “solve” the frenzy, such doing could only create more form, more frenzy. Instead we remember we are the wide, open space where even the most frantic thinking eventually finds its way home to rest.
So when the “solving-frenzy” starts up again, as it will, can you see it as just a passing summer storm in the sky of Anatta, knowing the sky itself remains untouched?
I will be away from the computer for a while, time to sit under a tree… Peter
PeterParticipantAnita, it’s a big deal that you’re able to name that physical tension, the breath-holding and the tics. That is the territory speaking.
Laing was criticized partly because he looked at the territory (the person) instead of just the map (the diagnosis). Professionals love their maps; they feel safe when they can label a “thing” rather than feel a “process.” You notice that when I use the word ‘God’ I qualify it by noting when I’m using it as a noun or verb. As only a noun the word very easily becomes a knot and double bind, so you can imagine Religious leaders not liking having that pointed out.
Regarding the “No-Self,” I want to offer a different way to look at that knot. Often, what we call our “self” is actually just a map, a collection of stories, masks, and “False Selves” we built to survive. When that map starts to tear or doesn’t fit the reality of our lives, it feels like we are literally dying.
However, as Richard Rohr suggests, the “No-Self” isn’t about disappearing into a void; it’s about the Small Self (the map) falling away so the True Self (the territory/the Spark) can finally breathe. Krishnamurti talked about this too: “the observer is the observed.”
We’ve explored these notions before… where constructs of self fall away, often experienced as the ‘dark night of the soul’ and you realize, sometimes surprised, you are still here. The small self (ego) will frantically ask, “What is this ‘you’ that is still here?” and the “No-Self” just smiles (buddha smile?)… seeing the ‘ego self’ as it is… Yes, I’ve just created a possible double bind (duality)… but it only stays a bind if we hold these words and ideas tightly, as maps… here Self and No-Self dissolve for a breath or two – there was never two sides of a coin – just coin.
I’ve found that when you stop trying to look at your “self” as a fragile object you have to protect, and instead be the awareness that notices the tension, the knot starts to lose its power.
You aren’t “dying” when the old masks slip; you’re just realizing you aren’t the map. You are the ground the map was sitting on… the blank canvas that remains blank no mater what is painted on it. Enjoy the painting, noticing what you painted and others have painted… only don’t mistake it for the canvas (No-Self)…
For now, don’t feel like you have to “work” these terms or master definitions. Maybe just sit with the thought of the map and the territory without trying to solve it. See if you can simply relax into the untying, letting the concepts drift for a bit while you just notice the breath coming back. As No-Self has been triggering in the past, you may resist, and noticing that is part of the untying.
How does your body react when you give yourself permission to just notice the tension without needing to explain why it’s there or the “who” it is happening to?
P.S. We do have things in common… I think we both learned early on to distrust life and love, even if the causes were different. Everyone experiences that at some level, but for those like us, I suspect it its been a defining experience. We also I think share a intention to heal that distrust and not give into it…
PeterParticipantAnita, happy to have read that you ‘detected’ the joke!
Your breakdown of the Knots and Double Binds is incredibly clear. What did you think of Laing? He was criticized and belittled for his work but today is starting to be recognized.
I noticed what you said about the ‘No-Self.’ In Buddhism, the term ‘No-Self’ carries a heavy, positive spiritual weight, which as a child wasn’t your experience of that term. You mentioned before how the teaching of ‘No-Self’ has triggered you. I wonder if you see it today as a ‘knot’ to untie?
Every child experiences this to some degree, and sadly, many adults pass it on without realizing it, even sadder some have mastered it as a tool for personal gain. For me, working to untie these knots and mystifications has made me more likely to notice them when I encounter them… or when I am about to create them myself.
When we see how the ‘fog’ is made, we become harder to mystify. We start to notice the drenching before it freezes us. We move from the past realization into a present vigilance. So today when you see that same ‘shaming look’ or ‘scrambled logic’ directed at yourself or onto others out in the world today, does seeing these patterns help you ‘trust your gut’ more?
PeterParticipantAnita, it makes total sense that shame would ‘freeze’ the ability to play with language—when we are constantly scanning for a ‘faulty’ look or a hidden threat, our minds stay literal just to stay safe.
When I used the smile and the sad face, I was trying to describe a ‘double-bind‘ that felt very much like the one you grew up with. In my tradition, we were told we were ‘chosen’ and ‘saved by grace’ an idea that should make someone want to dance and sing! (Smile).
But in the next breath, we were told that dancing was a sin… Tough not thought directly the idea forms that one had to prove we were ‘chosen’ by maintaining a performative gravity, a constant, heavy seriousness. I used the word ‘sober’ not to mean staying away from wine, but as a somber, humorless mask we had to wear to prove we were ‘good’ = chosen.
It’s the ultimate loop: you are told you are free, but then you are given a heavy set of rules to prove you deserve that freedom. You are ‘saved by faith,’ but judged by your ability to stay perfectly in line.
The saddest part is that this double-bind usually isn’t intentional. The people teaching it often don’t realize they are scrambling our internal compass; they are just passing on the ‘hardened’ language they were given.
In that world, to ask a deeper question was to ‘think too much’ something I am still told regularly today… I feel this may be similar to your experience of the notebook of poetry, the child hears shame, don’t be your true self… It creates a quiet kind of ‘madness‘ where you have to develop a ‘False Self’, a solemn, rule-following shell just to survive the atmosphere.
When you get access to you computer again you may find exploring RD Laing notions of double blind, knots and mystification interesting. We all have harden our own hearts if just to survive and navigate the binds… Most of us have experienced the ‘red sea’ crossing at least once to break its hold… the idea is to notice before such a drenching is the only way through… 🙂
PeterParticipantHi Anita,
You asked about Calvinism… Calvinism: Where the joy of being predestined is matched only by the intense, sober pressure of making sure you look like you deserve it. 🙂 🙁 In a way, it’s a similar early mystification of ‘self’ to what you experienced.Thank you for sharing the story about your notebook of poems. It’s a heartbreakingly clear image: the teenager reaching out in a poem, only to be met with a ‘hardened heart’ instead of a hand. That look of shaming condemnation is exactly how the ‘hailstone’ causes damage… it breaks the very things it was supposed to nourish.
When you say S.H.A.M.E. was her legacy, it strikes me that shame is often the ‘freezing’ agent. It’s what forces our fluid, creative selves to go into hiding.
My experience with Calvinism was the ultimate R.D. Laing double-bind: I was told my status was eternally settled by a sovereign decree, yet I spent every day in a self-conscious performance to prove I wasn’t an impostor. It turns ‘assurance’ into a very quiet, very disciplined kind of ‘madness.’
I’ve actually been thinking about this specific ‘hardening’ process this morning through Laing’s lens. He had a term for what you experienced: ‘Mystification.’ It’s what happens when our internal compass is intentionally scrambled by the people who were supposed to help us read it. I was just about to share these thoughts on how the ‘False Self’ is formed as a survival tactic…
From Droplets to Hail: A Reflection on R.D. Laing
In our modern world, many of us feel a growing sense of unease. We watch the news or look at leaders and sense a ‘fog’… a confusing layer of justifications that seem to trample over simple human truth. We see people who once seemed kind become rigid, their hearts ‘hardening’ until they seem unrecognizable.If we look through the lens of psychiatrist R.D. Laing, we find a sobering explanation. His work suggests that our ‘hailstones’ are actually quite predictable:
– The Particle (The Spark): This is the core of the individual—the ‘True Self’ or Imago Dei.
– The Droplet (The Form): We all need a ‘form’ (language, culture, or religion) to carry our spark into the world. Rain is life-giving.
– The Atmosphere (The Environment): If the air is filled with fear, control, or ‘might-makes-right’ ideologies, the droplet is forced upward into the freezing ‘cold’ of abstraction and defensiveness.
– The Hail (The Petrified Self): The droplet freezes. It is still made of ‘water,’ but it has lost its fluidity. It is hard and heavy. When it falls, it no longer nourishes the earth; it breaks things.This ‘hardened heart’ becomes a Divided Self. We create a ‘False Self’ to act out the scripts of a Cause or a Religion, burying the ‘True Self’ so deep that we eventually lose access to it entirely.
For me, this explains the ‘Pharaohs’ of today. Those who act without the friction of conscience aren’t born as monsters; they are victims of a process where the ‘hard heart’ became a permanent armor. They’ve become shells for the ideologies that consumed them.
Understanding this doesn’t mean we excuse the ‘hail’ when it falls. Rather, it helps us protect our own fluidity. By recognizing the ‘knots’ and double-binds of the world, we can choose to stay as rain to remain soft, even when the atmosphere around us is freezing.
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