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AireneParticipant
Hello AutumnGlow,
I’ve read most of the thread, and something that might help you cope with this is to accept that it happened, think about and understand why it happened and to be forgiving of yourself.
I can relate too, and as Anita said, you are far from alone in this.
I’ve learned from my own experience. One thing that doesn’t help is to berate yourself for being human. I’d also pay attention to your feelings of guilt (recognizing your husband was working hard to get extra money and you treating him the way you did) and your feeling of “how stupid you were.” These feelings are your conscience talking, and they also tell me that you value your husband and marriage and that you value yourself. You recognize the guilt and why you feel guilty. You recognize you were “stupid”, and why you acted on that. (I am putting stupid in quotation marks because that is the word you used. I wouldn’t be so harsh.)
You blame your loneliness for your actions, and I would pay attention to this too. Have you talked to your husband about your feelings of loneliness and what you need from him? Is he responsive? When people say marriage is work, this is some of what they are talking about. A good marriage doesn’t just happen. It takes a lot of communication from both people, understanding what each of you needs and how to meet those needs. And both parties being open and receptive to working things out.
I would also urge you to take back the power you have within yourself. This power will determine your thoughts and actions. It also puts the responsibility of your happiness on…you. Your husband cannot be responsible for your happiness, but when you recognize you hold the key to your happiness, you are in the position of going to him and saying “I need this from you.” And you go from there.
I hope this helps.
Airene
- This reply was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by Airene.
AireneParticipantHello Anita!
How nice of you to check in. I had been reading the forum on Tiny Buddha diligently and then life happened. Work schedule, a change in my daughter’s schedule and other interruptions have kept me from checking in here. I’m trying to catch up on one or two pages of posts.
How have you been Anita?
AireneParticipantHello koko vega,
Can you tell us one or two specific things he is asking you to change? Is he asking you to do more of something or less of something? Or to do something you are not comfortable doing?
When he asks you to change something, a good response could be, “I will work on myself, you work on you.” I see this a lot in different couples…one person in the partnership takes on the “job” of changing the other person.” There is a fine line between a) supporting a partner who is trying to change something and b) making sure their partner changes so that they themselves are happy.
The only person you can change is yourself. Say this to yourself and also your partner.
Airene
AireneParticipantHello RedDress,
For me, the “tell yourself you’re amazing” method is a sure way to create even more anxiety for myself.
For those times that I feel anxious about whatever it is – usually a social gathering – I say to myself, “Just be yourself.” I also think it’s helpful to learn to laugh at yourself. The more comfortable you are with yourself, the more others will be. Of course, if you’re at something like a job interview, you need to remain professional
I also try to do some practice lines in my mind before going to an event. Practice what you might say to someone to start a conversation, and have something ready for the usual questions, “what’s new with you?” “How is the job going?” “Planning any vacations. And have something ready to move away from any situation that might amp up your anxiety/fears…like, “Would you excuse me…I see someone I need to say hello to.” And then move in another direction. Or, “It has been lovely talking with you, but I need to head out to another get together.”
When I know I’m walking into something that could become heated, I remind myself that I am in control of what I say and how I say it. And that saying nothing IS saying something.
I also agree with Kay – everything is a learning experience. Do the best with what you know, and when you know better, do better. That’s from Maya Angelou.
Airene
AireneParticipantHello SkyWalker18,
I’m so glad you posted, and happy to hear you are seeing a therapist. You are on a great path, looking forward and willing to do what you need to so you can heal. Wishing you the best.
Airene
June 28, 2018 at 6:59 pm in reply to: Should I just keep it this way and not stir the pot anymore? #214639AireneParticipantHello Alexa05,
I am wondering why you only see each other on weekends?
If he thinks answering in front of you will cause his ex-wife to create drama, then it seems to me he isn’t ready for a serious relationship. That he needs to clean up some of the loose ends with his ex-wife. Either that, or you need to be ready to deal with his ex-wife’s interference for the long term.
Just my thoughts.
Airene
June 28, 2018 at 1:33 pm in reply to: Should I just keep it this way and not stir the pot anymore? #214613AireneParticipantHello Alexa05,
I’ve known couples who divorce and do so amicably. My brother did a lot of stuff for his ex-wife after they were divorced, but they had two boys, and my brother did these things as much for the boys as for his ex-wife.
In your situation, the bottom line is…you are not comfortable with the level of communication he has with his ex-wife. The fact that he didn’t take the call in front of you, and sleeping at his ex-wife’s place when he went back to his hometown…this does all seem odd to me. I would wonder why he couldn’t talk in front of me, and I would also feel very uncomfortable about sleeping at the ex-wife’s place.
If you “keep it this way and don’t stir the pot anymore” he won’t have any reason to change. If you force the issue – because it’s what you want in your relationship – then he will know where you stand and you will know very soon if he is able to make the changes or not.
People usually do what they want to do. If he wants to change the relationship with his ex-wife to make the relationship he has with you better, then he will do it. But if he wants to stay connected to his ex-wife, then he will find excuses and reasons to continue to do so.
Best of luck to you.
Airene
AireneParticipantHello Anita,
Yes, you are spot on – the helper/giver is a role in my life. The dynamic in my family was such that taking on the role of helper/giver helped keep divisiveness among other family members low, and admittedly, helped me feel better about myself and everything going on around me knowing I was easing some of the tension. Even with me taking on that role, there was still plenty of divisiveness to go around. I tried to be the peacekeeper.
I have come a long way, I think, in finding some boundaries as far as helping people. Maybe that’s why I’m feeling less helpful and less compassionate. I can smell a manipulator a mile away, but I think a lot of people don’t see themselves as being that way. And when I set boundaries, I don’t offer explanations or excuses. I simply say “No, I can’t.” And when I do something for someone, as I mentioned before, I try to understand why I’m doing it…if it brings me happiness and peace or makes me feel good – I need to get something out of it (the return on investment 🙂 ), other than saying “this is what I should do.” Living this way has disgruntled a lot of people who expect something different from me. But oh well.
Thanks so much for your thoughts Anita.
Airene
AireneParticipantHello Anita,
I am both relieved to read your response and somewhat distressed. The idea of win-win…that is good for everyone involved. I also understand I can’t live and die by another person’s suffering and I wouldn’t want to…I’m no saint. But for those times where there is no win-win, I am the one to step up. I am a compulsive “helper/giver.” It will take some effort to re-route that.
As always, your response is so helpful. Thank you!!!
Airene
AireneParticipantHi Anita –
“if we are here to help people, we should not be judging whether they need the help, or are worthy of it, right?”-
I mean this in terms of life….
“judging whether they need the help, or are worthy of it”- I don’t understand this part either, how it relates to ROI?
Ahhhh…what I’m saying is…If our purpose (or, one purpose) is to help people, and we are to do it benevolently without regard to what the other person can do for us or give us or if the person is worthy of it, then I shouldn’t be looking for a return on my investment, right? You just do it because it is the “right” thing to do. But this is my struggle – LOL! I’m not feeling benevolent in many of my relationships.
Airene
AireneParticipantAnita, Mark and Brandy –
Thank you for your responses! I appreciate your thoughts very much.
Anita – I am wondering if looking for a ROI (Return On Investment) is a worthwhile approach in a relationship. Especially lately, I find myself asking “what am I getting out of this relationship.” I don’t like that I think in those terms, but the fact is, I do. Because if we are here to help people, we should not be judging whether they need the help, or are worthy of it, right?
Mark – I love your thought about making decisions about your life based on love, rather than fear or “should.” There have been many times where I struggled with resentment and anger, but ultimately did something because of the love I feel…maybe not for the person benefitting from my action, but because of love for my kids, or someone related to that person, or even for my own well-being. It’s as if I need to find a reason I am doing something and be at peace with that reason. This approach has worked better for me than just writing a blank check to be and do something for anyone and everyone.
Brandy – I appreciate your thoughts so much! I have never been a social climber…maybe this has been to the detriment of my kids, but so be it! Your description of the groups and subgroups is spot on, especially about parents who have kids with special needs. I recall some out of body experiences (I laughed at that one!) while witnessing parents devote an entire program to their child, including live performances of said child. This is not something I’d sign up for, but it comes with the territory.
Thank you again for all your thoughts. I feel less lonely and better equipped to march on.
Airene
AireneParticipantHello again SkyWalker 18,
I wanted to add more to my response – it may or may not help.
Where you say “since I am passive agressive and meek I think I got tired of fighting him off. ” I wonder if you blame yourself for what happened. Try to be more forgiving of yourself and place the blame squarely where it belongs. Your “friend” took advantage of you.
As Anita points out, you were drunk, and not in a great position to be clear about boundaries or enforce them. Anita also breaks down things for you very objectively. I hope you heed what she has posted, and give it some thought.
I would also encourage you to find someone you can trust to talk to about the abuse you have endured and get in touch with your feelings regarding it. Sometimes people who have been abused learn to avoid any and all feelings about the abuse and the abuser because it’s so painful, and children especially, are taught to comply with people in authority. The understanding you gain about the feelings surrounding that will help make things clearer for you.
Airene
AireneParticipantHello SkyWalker 18,
It’s so good that you posted here. My heart breaks for you.
I agree with Anita and StelthInfosec, and also wanted to share my thoughts as I read your initial post.
I, too, read that you are heterosexual. The experience with your former friend was an assault. I can see why you question your sexuality, but the things that have happened to you have been perpetrated upon you. The abuse you suffered – that was also something done to you by another person.
You describe being confused and unsure…I wonder if you have muted your feelings about your abuse, and this has made defining big things in your life like your sexuality harder for you to recognize.
I will write more, but need to head out to work. Just wanted to share my two cents’ and some support.
Airene
AireneParticipantHello RedDress,
You describe some really wonderful attributes. I wonder, though, if all of the stuff you describe – being hilarious, honest and supportive – sort of sits in the background because of the envy you feel for all the things you don’t currently have. I’d focus on the things that are within your power to change or accept. If you envy people who have a job, for example, are you able to look for a job? After you get the job, you can save money for a car. When you get the car, you will feel a sense of accomplishment and freedom. Sometimes having a goal is a path to happiness.
What is it you feel you don’t go after because of a fear of failure?
Airene
AireneParticipantHello John,
I wonder if your conflict is because what is happening on the outside of you is very different than what is going on inside of you. You say on the outside you are perceived as charming, good looking, a badass. Yet you fear never getting out of your mothers’ guest house, or having a good woman because you lack a healthy self-confidence.
What does a healthy self-confidence look like to you? I can’t say I feel 100% self-confident every day, or that I like all aspects of my job.
The part about being able to pay the bills though…that’s something I would consider being within your power to change. Is it solely that you don’t make enough money to get out from the guest house? Or does it have more to do with how you manage your money? I guess breaking it down might help define where the problem lies. If it’s about making enough money…from the way you describe feedback you get about what you do, I wonder if you could charge more for your services? Would being paid more make it easier to deal with “bitching clients” and working 10-12 hour days? I think I can tolerate almost anything if I see the payoff being worthwhile, and I don’t mean just the monetary pay off. Maybe your conflict about your job is that it doesn’t give you enough of a “payoff.”
Airene
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