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lindseyParticipant
Anita,
Hope you had a great Friday-
I did not end up sending any flowers to Jason. Because of COVID they did not have to go to court and he found out from his attorney that it was final on April 28th.
I hope you have a good weekend! I am out to dinner soon!
lindseyParticipantAnita,
Good Idea!!! 🙂
lindseyParticipantAnita,
Good point. Seems to me anxiety is also like a drug addiction. You can temporarily relieve symptoms (reassurance) but the need or more drugs or reassurance comes right back.
Do you think it would be too much to send him an Edible Arrangement because he finally got the divorce finalized? I mean it is big milestone after 2 years. The arrangement is basically made of fruit with options of the fruit dipped in chocolate etc. You can get it delivered. I figure a very small one that’s not elaborate may be OK?
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
So here is the message I sent him a while ago pertaining to Monday:
” Hey I’m pretty sure my phone call on Monday made zero sense. My anxiety was triggered (temporarily lol). Maybe you understand because you knew I was going to bring it up. Anyway nothing about that past situation really has anything to do with me or us (in my opinion). To be honest that prior stuff isn’t my business anyway.”
He replied with “It’s no problem.”
I feel bothersome/annoying. Maybe I should not have sent it. It’s over with.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
This separation/anxiety/attachment issues I have really just suck in general. I do attempt to apply some of these aids but not all of them. It does not seem to help but maybe the more I do the activities my brain chemicals may start to catch on.
What is funny about the situation with Jason is that I am not ready to talk about a future with him yet either. In my opinion I do not know him well enough to make a decision of him meeting the kids, etc or even talking about love (scary for me)
4 1/2 months of dating is not a long time period. I think we are both very happy with our current situation. He shared that one of his check marks for getting very serious is actually being divorced on paper- which makes sense.
So in summary I would have to continue the relationship and just see where it goes.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
Thank your for your advice and suggestions. Emotional dysregulation fits my problem perfectly.
I did not break up with Jason and my anxiety trigger regulated itself by yesterday evening.
I am thinking about messaging Jason just to say hey- that conversation was a trigger and I’m fine now. I think my phone conversation on Monday about the topic did not make much since as my anxiety was on fire.
I also realize that my anxiety increases during the 7 days I do not see Jason in person. Our messaging during that time in reality is healthy and not excessive. His style of messaging tends to be brief and to the point. We touch base with each other every day some more, some less depending on what there is to talk about.
I don’t know that I told you yesterday he sent a message saying his ex wife finally signed the divorce papers. Now all they have to do is go to court and make it official on paper.
My understanding is they have been unable to agree for 2 years. Lots of attorney fees- my ex and I only used mediation out of pocket with no attorney.
So in summary I am thinking about sending the message. I am debating if I should ask him to check in more message wise during the 7 days apart. I have noticed the more I initate messages the more he messages back. I just do not want to seem too needy. However these are things I feel like I need from the relationship and him to feel better.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
If I do that I will probably call him 2 days later. Then he will probably wonder if he should be in a relationship with me based on my actions of ending things kind of impulsively.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
I’ve gone to counseling in the past and have addressed issues with my mother. My ability to deal with the abandoment has not improved over time. My divorce seems to have increased my abandonment issues because after the divorce he moved on quickly into another relationship. As a married couple of 12 years there is still some type of connection especially with children.
While it was my choice to end the marriage I saw a complete and total disgust and loss of any type of parent connection with him. I am a stranger that has been replaced and treated with disgust and also attacked as a mother who is lacking in general.
My option at this point is to try and get through my abandonment issues which seems hopeless based on counseling and time has had no improvement with it. Also the divorce increased my issues.
So basically there is a continuing theme of abandonment with past relationships. So in my eyes maybe I should not date anyone if I am going to go through this every time. I can tell you the feelings have significant impact on my life and overall enjoyment with relationships.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
Thank you for the advice last night- I read it before I went to bed- and I think you are correct. Yesterday was a bad day and I was not thinking clearly. I do know that it is not healthy for me to continue any relationship with the feelings that I have. I think they will get worse if Jason and I continue to get serious.
My goals: improve the anxiety/abandonment attachment that I have (not sure how to do that- you can only talk and get support from your partner to a limited degree)
Keep a healthy relationship with open communication moving forward
The main worry is that “I’m happy where things are” is something that is a theme with past relationships and possibly our relationship. While 4-5 months in a relationship does not give any indication that will happen it is in the back of my mind as a road block ahead.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita
i think what I’m trying to say I’m no different from his ex girlfriend. Or the number of women he’s casually dated or went out with. There seems to be many of them.
I’m someone that he’s going to be happy with just the way things are.
He would probably still be dating that woman- and going on a year and a half by now – happy with exactly how things are.
LindseylindseyParticipantAnita
i haven’t responded to his messages.
I think my main concern is if you are with someone at 6 months and they have given no hints or indication that things are going nowhere- basically someone to waste time with you that is a problem for me.
I would want to know that upfront. I don’t really understand to a certain point his story- it becomes obvious when something is going to stay stagnant. I’m not the type of person to just date someone for a year.
LindseylindseyParticipantAnita,
At this point I think I’m just going to avoid his calls. I feel really embarrassed. Some people would not have a 2nd thought about this again and think what they asked was kind of normal but I don’t. Not at all.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
I spoke with Jason a few minutes ago on the phone. I was just talking about my general anxiety and he was talking about work things. So then he stated is there something else that’s bothering you? And I was like well yes but I think it’s a very akward thing for me to bring up because I know the answer and I proceeded to tell him what we spoke about with his ex girlfriend. He said he knew that was going to come up again because of my facial expression when we were talking.
I mean I said how I felt, I’m happy with things right now. No one knows the outcome or what will happen. I’m not ready to think about anything more serious. He agreed I just wish I had more reassurance about it. I feel very uncomfortable about bringing it up. In fact I feel worse now. I feel he thinks I am trying to push things or my frame of mind is disturbing or he’s like oh boy here’s something I have to deal with again with these women.
I just want to end things honestly. I feel that I cannot and will not put myself in any type of situation like this where I would basically get my heard broken. I am not doing well with this at all. I really just wanted to break up with him and be done with it. I’m serious. I can’t talk with him anymore about this. It will just make things worse
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita,
Very true-spot on. I’m glad I spoke with you first about the subject. No need to bring it up.
It’s anxiety week that started this morning. I believe most of it is because I will not see Jason for 7 days-next Monday. This week is when we both have the kids 5 days out of the week. Plus added stress.
There is no cure for it.
Lindsey
lindseyParticipantAnita-
Good morning and Happy Monday. I hope you enjoyed your weekend- Mine went by entirely too fast.
The counseling appointment is tomorrow- the counselor had to reschedule. I think your advice was spot on. I lost a bit of the focus on the children and I was thinking that sharing examples of his mistreatment towards myself as a parent could be acknowledged in counseling with the counselor taking my side.
I do not believe that should be part of the discussion early on. It should be focused on the children. There may be things that will be addressed regarding the 3 of us getting along and negative things that they have done but not the main focus. I think it will be very beneficial for everyone involved.
My relationship with Jason is going very well. We are going on 5 months soon and I am very happy. I have a classic example of my relationship anxiety and I need to address with him but need some guidance.
On Saturday we were eating dinner and he stated with his prior girlfriend when she brought up moving forward- being introduced to his children, etc. He explained to her that he liked where things were at and did not want to take the next steps. They had been together about 6 months. She does not have children and acknowledged with him that she lived 45 minutes away and was planning on moving this year out of state.
My worry is that what if that happens with me? I think this should be brought up prior to me having to ask. Now- I may feel at that time that I am happy with the way things are and do not want to move forward. However- you cannot sustain an ongoing relationship in my opinion with things staying stagnant and not moving forward at some point.
I think this is a difficult topic for me because he is meeting the check marks for someone I would consider moving forward in a more serious manner when that time presents itself. I feel strongly that this subject should be addressed whenever either one of us comes to the decision they do not want to get more serious prior to the other party having to ask with the expectations that things will be moving forward.
Lindsey
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