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anitaParticipantDear Blazkowich:
“Everything changed after the passing this is why I am still hopeful that she’ll return“- You are hoping that once enough time passes from the time she lost of her cat, once she adequately grieves the loss, she will be back to the way she was with you prior to the loss (“she would get depressed sometimes and stonewall me for 2-3 days“), which is better than no contact with you at all. Do I understand correctly? Would it be okay with resuming a relationship where you are being stonewalled for 2-3 days at a time?
“I can try to be there as a friend if the relationship is the issue”- Question is can you succeed in being there for her as a friend; can you hold back all romantic and physical attraction to her and be there for her as a platonic friend in-practice, day in and day out over a potentially extended period of time?
“Honestly I don’t know what to do anymore or even if there is something I can do, but I would prefer waiting over moving-on from this relationship and the thought that she can do something harmful scares me even more. What would you suggest?”-
– I don’t think that you are emotionally ready to move on, so I wouldn’t suggest that you move on. As far as trying to help her as a friend, before I suggest more, I will wait for your answers to the above, and ask you one more question: did she express suicidal thoughts to you or to anyone else, any gestures in that regard.. and is her drinking and getting drunk a usual occurrence, best you know?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Blazkowich:
You read like a caring young man who is indeed genuinely concerned for the mental well-being of your ex-girlfriend: “I am genuinely concerned for her health because I feel at this rate she will just continue to ruin her health“.
I’d like to start this reply with the Serenity Prayer (I am not religious, but the principle in the prayer is what I am getting to), it says: “God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference”.
Reads like her mental health is not something that you can change for the better (“I feel so helpless unable to do anything for her“), so aim to accept her mental health as it is with as much serenity as you are able, simply because you can’t make it better. On the other hand, your own mental health is something that you can change to one extent or another, so do what you can to help your own mental health.
Second (I am adding the boldface feature to the quotes), “she would get depressed sometimes and stonewall me for 2-3 days… sometimes she would show a lot of love and appreciation and sometimes she asks for space but recently she was so overwhelmed that she left me. Her exact words before leaving me was that the fact that I am there caring for her is hurting her, and that she wants to be alone for a long, long while, but I am afraid she’s just hurting herself by doing this”-
– I believe that she is correct about the relationship hurting her, not because you were a bad boyfriend, but because her emotions within the relationship are too much for her, and she gets overwhelmed, sort of submerged under water because of a heavy weight on top of her, unable to breathe. So, clearly, the healthy thing for her to do at this point is to take a break, a very long break, like she said.
It doesn’t mean that because of the break, she suddenly becomes mentally healthy; it means that having a break from the relationship is necessary for her to hopefully heal over time.
If you insist that she interacts with you, if you pressure her and/ or if you do not completely respect her wish for no contact, you will be adding more hurt to her mind and life.
“She didn’t even talk to her best friend of 8 years since 2 months and is constantly isolating herself... and one day she said she’s unable to handle the relationship, and she feels like this cold evil person who is unable to reciprocate any love, and that she loves me but is unable to express it“-
– Overwhelmed as in submerged under water, she can’t breathe, so she can’t love. But on top of that, she is weighed down by the guilt of not being able to love, or to express love. This is why she isolates herself, so to get a relief from the guilt and from how awkward it feels to be emotionally handicapped in this way.
“She was also offended over the fact that I advised her to visit a therapist. I contacted her friends and they told me how she got drunk, danced around, ran like a maniac and cried her heart out calling her pet cat’s name who passed away and then puked all over”-
– You did what you could: you advised her to seek a therapist and you contacted her friends. Do you think that there is yet something else for you to do for the purpose of helping her?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Grace:
“The first day we met, he told me about his trip, which was coming up in about a year and a half from then. He made it clear early on that he would be going on his trip alone because that was his plan, and it was important that he stuck to it“- he was honest with you from the get-go.
“We were together then for about a year and a half and our relationship was great. We were each others best friend, went on vacations… I read something he wrote about me that said ‘I am so in love with her mind. I hope that when I settle down its with her or someone just like her’“- a great pre-trip relationship.
“He’s been gone for about 3 months now. We talk on the phone… It has been so hard, I miss him so much. I feel like I’ve just been waiting on him to come home and not knowing when he will… I haven’t healed at all in 3 months since he left because I am just missing him. It hurts talking and it hurts not talking too…I fully support him being on this trip and having this time, but I want to be with him when he comes home“- I am guessing that during the pre-trip period, while you supported him going on his trip by himself, you did not anticipate it being as difficult as it turned out for you. .. you thought it’d be easier?
I wonder if you are angry with him that he didn’t change his mind during the pre-trip period, and taken you with him, or at least offered for the two of you to travel together?
“I told him yesterday that I can’t be friends anymore, that I need time, and can’t talk for a while… I have so much doubt. Did I do the wrong thing? Should I maintain our relationship or is not speaking at all the better thing to do?… Maintaining things OR moving on and letting him go..“-
– depends on whether you feel angry with him, and depends on whether he promised you that he will remain faithful to you during his trip (?) or did he say that he is not sure about his future with you following the trip?
anita
January 5, 2024 at 11:35 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426766
anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“Last night I found out he did in fact block me… This sent so many emotions through me I wrote the following“- I didn’t read what comes next, but I want to say at this point that he blocked you, at least in part, because he wanted to.. send some pain and turbulence to you, so that it (pain) vibrates within and through you.
“Tonight on January 4th I miss parts of n, but I also don’t. It is as if he is home and I cannot go home. I know that I will form another home inside me, and be my own home again but right now my heart still aches“- there it is, the ache aka pain vibrating. I like the resolution preceding your mention of pain.
“Why do I want him to feel pain right now? It brings me satisfaction and comfort to imagine that he is self destructing and just as lonely as me“- each feels hurt, each wants the other to feel pain, but he blocked you so to cause you pain, you didn’t block him.
“I hope he is at home high off his mind playing video games and then all day just high and working. As I have seen him before“- it is likely he does what he did habitually before.
“I am waking up on January 5th and I am a combination of guilty and frustrated. I feel guilty cause I feel bad for not working January to March. I feel that is when he lost respect for me. However he was late to dates…“- from the very beginning, he only had respect for parts of you, parts in isolation. He didn’t respect what connects those parts: your crown chakra, that upper level of Maslow’s Pyramid.
“I am frustrated because he blocked me and there are still things I need from his house“- I disrespect him for having done this, how inconsiderate!
“What gives him the right to block me, it feels childish to me and it is frustrating because I would have loved to be on better terms right now and just keep it cordial and understanding“- his low vibrational crown chakra is not guiding him to act maturely.
“Then it makes me feel guilty that he doesn’t understand because of me, because I mislead him with my words about the future, but then that doesn’t necessarily hold up because I did try to tell him the exact issues that caused the breakup, many times“- you were not dishonest with him: you felt different things at different times, through a long period of time.
“He didn’t see me. So no he doesn’t see the necessity of the breakup for me. I wish he could see the ways he so clearly mistreated me… affecting my spirit and heart. He should have been the protector of those things, not part of the world that comes at you“- how common and tragic it is that people (beginning with parents) who should protect us come at us, hurting us.
“I feel angry that he could not be the man that I wanted him to be. He gave me crumbs of hints that he could. Even at our last dinner, when his idea was to state how we would work on ourselves in the relationship and he said he would take better care of himself“- when I read the boldfaced part for the first time you shared about it, my interpretation was that he was self-centered. He didn’t say that he would take better care of you!
“cause that meant he could see that he was acting out of pain right? That meant he at least to some extent was aware of his passive aggression.. that is what I thought anyways“- I don’t see it that way. You are and were back then introspected, he is not. You were alone at the top of that Maslow’s pyramid, imagining/ making believe that he was there with you.
“There is also a part of me that is not only confused that he blocked me, but that he never reached out to me. Yes he texted my sister that he wished he was dead and that he couldn’t believe how coldly I broke up with him, this was clearly him trying to get me to come to him right?“- yes, I think so. I think of his strategy as that of a spider having spun his web and waiting for an insect to come to him and get entangled in his web.. (again).
“But the thing that bothers me more is that I actually feel guilty about this, that I was cold. Because when I think of the positive memories between us…”- this guilt can be (I hope not) a reason for you to .. fly to his web and get entangled in it (again).
“-Our camping trips… -The moments I was anxious and crying and he stood there by me -That time we were in an argument, and he didn’t let us go inside to spend time with other people until we solved our own issues.. – When he put effort into getting to know my friends, asking questions“- he is not totally lacking people skills.
“When he opened up to me about very private things from his past, he had never told anyone“- how do you know that he didn’t tell anyone before you? If your answer is that he told you so, uttering the words I never told anyone, then remember what he told you about how you should treat uttered words..
“When he had that soft look on his face because he wanted to be cuddled “- in certain cartoon, the bad character always looks rough, always evil. In real-life, bad people sometimes look soft, and that confuses people who believe in cartoons.
I am not saying that he is a bad person to everyone.. just that he was and would be bad as a boyfriend/ husband to a woman with an open crown chakra.
“Should I have stuck it through and we would have been altogether so SO much stronger because of it? Did I give up too soon?“- I have the image of a fly flying into a spider’s web…
“I warned him so many times that he was wearing me down, I even told him before that eventually his being late and careless behavior could break me. I told him I didn’t trust him with my heart because I felt he had dropped it too many times, but he still did and just thought I needed to be stronger“- I boldfaced the words he uttered that you shouldn’t believe. He didn’t want you stronger.. just strong enough to stay alive while entangled in his web, alive but not free. I am guessing that now he wants you strong enough to fly to his web and get entangled yet again.
“I am just angry he could not fix himself for me”- I get caught in images, I know. Nonetheless, I see him (the spider) fixing himself dinner.
“Again did I not wait long enough for him?? This kills me“- this is feeding my imagery even further..!
“If he followed me“- a spider does not follow the fly; he waits for her to get entangled in his web.
“If he…- and decided to look within“- if he stepped up to the top of Maslow’s pyramid, he would have.
“why couldn’t he do it??”- did he try and found out that he couldn’t, or perhaps he didn’t try but uttered words, at times, that sounded like he tried…?
“This life is about me now, worrying about him no longer matters and I certainly did it enough to already last a lifetime“- I agree.
“But I think I feel guilty to completely let go of the guilt… He is right the breakup was cold, but because I had to be. It would have been too confusing for us both if I showed my tears and emotions, wouldn’t that of been unfair to him?“-if you showed your tears and emotions while breaking up with him… your crying and emotions would have created the vibrations on his web that would let him know that it’s time for more spinning.
Would it be unfair to the spider for the fly to not present itself as dinner…?
“The essence of him was home for so long and now I don’t have a home, I feel pathetic saying that cause I should be my own home, but what is love if it isn’t allowing someone else to be your home, did he do the same with me?”- a spider’s web is its home. Your own home should be spider free, I say (Okay, enough with the image?)
“With his actions of blocking me and deleting our picture, unfollowing my community, he must be angry right?”- or just hungry.
“I wish I could erase him from my mind.“- erase seeing who he is not. See him as he is.
2nd post:
“I feel the same way, how do you do this?”- one day at a time.
“I wish I could trade for goods, wouldn’t that be cool! I stay home and make delicious pastries, and go trade them for clothes, or making them a form of art OR make them clothes in exchange for the materials that I can also use for myself. Anyways I feel my way of making my means to do things is going to fall outside of the typical ‘get a job’ sense“- yes, that would be cool! if the world is coming to an end (droughts, rising sea levels, wars, etc.), trading goods will be the way to go.
“This is the best compliment I have ever received“- you are welcome and thank you for.. the compliment you extended to me in this sentence!
“At first when I read ‘seaturtle the influencer‘ I didn’t like it, because I know what an influencer is and I do admire some, but the majority of them I find very fake. I think a lot of influencers are damaging to young people because they show some amazing life as if they have no problems, only highlights… you know what I do believe what you say, that I could be helpful to some young people struggling in ways that I have and still do. I think it could be a very good idea”- I have never watched an influencer online. If I did, the word would have had a negative connotation for me too. Seaturtle the Helpful Influencer in practice, the one giving the word a positive connotation.. or finding a different word may be a better idea.
“Do I start with just trying to be relatable? I am not sure my starting point or where to find it, but I am definitely curious if this could be something. Do I need a guide or are the answers in me“- definitely start with being authentically and unguardedly you first, and then see if people relate. Consider people’s feedback so to think of more effective ways to express yourself, but still, ways in the realm of being true to yourself.
“I do like to move my body and to a sound that I feel… I miss it and wish I had a group of people who would come do that, but I can only think of two haha“- (1) you and .. you mean you and me? (2) this could be the beginning of your Influencing career: inviting people to dance with you online, on zoom…?
Seaturtle
January 5, 2024 at 8:41 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426759
anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
I thought about what I said I’ll think about. A disclaimer first: I am the last person in the world.. well, one of the last to ask about making money because of lack of personal experience and interest in the matter of making or earning money. Also, I didn’t research anything online in preparation for my answer. Here is my idea: Seaturtle the Influencer.
I met one influencer in-person a few months ago for the first time and spent a few hours around her, She introduced the word Influencer to me, or the term Online Influencer. Never heard of it before nor did I research it since. She, the Influencer had a strong Presence, and thinking chakras, I can see now that she had (real or the appearance of.. seemed real) a very vibrating heart chakra and her other chakras (sacral and crown, the only two other chakras I know something about) seemed to be vibrating in unison.
You, Seaturtle, are the most chakra vibrating in-unison member I ever communicated with here in the forums, and for a long time. You stand out this way big time. So, therefore, I thought that you have something to offer many people, many thousands, maybe much more, particularly perhaps young people who feel lost in the world of conflict, war and a climate that’s becoming hotter, drier and/ or crazy. Many influencers make money, some make a lot of money (I imagine that primarily sacral vibrations are common among the latter, which has always- since biblical times- a way to make money, and I do not recommend to you, of course).
Now to the rest of your yesterday’s post: “I think it should be part of women’s yearly health to get an ultrasound, my doctor said they don’t get to 15cm over night at it has been growing for several years“- part of preventive care, yes. Wikipedia/ ovarian tumor mentions a 112 lbs. ovarian tumor removed from a 31-year-old patient from Pennsylvania back in 1882. She weighed 187 lbs. before the removal, and 75 lbs. after, so it reads (really???)<sup id=”cite_ref-11″ class=”reference”></sup>
“True. and then again sad for him he won’t ever experience a woman who’s chakras are all open to him, a connection a partner of mine will be lucky to experience with me“- a man lacking the receptors for your chakra vibrations, or a man with Teflon guards around such receptors… will not experience them. Maybe just a bit here and there, a vibration that happens to bypass a guard, in this or that moment, temporarily.
“Dancing sounds fun too, but like free style dancing with loud music and people, I’ve taken dance classes and I don’t like to be told how to dance ha“- I can’t dance in any way other than free style, I can’t follow dance instructions, don’t have that ability. I can see how you- even if you are able to follow such instructions- you wouldn’t, being a free spirit, not wanting to submit to rules (dance rules)?
anita
January 4, 2024 at 2:03 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426748
anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
I need to be more focused so to read as attentively as I can, with open chakras, which I expect to happen in the morning. I will think about ideas for you doing something creative which will make money on my walk next.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
“It’s so embarrassing that I feel like I should reach out again and just thoroughly apologize for projecting so much onto him and for throwing his issues he struggled with in his face. With no other expectation other than to just apologize. But I try to remember I already did that once”-
– Because of your pre-existing shame, you are overreacting to your.. less than desired, or wrong behavior with him. Guilt is an emotional state that benefits us only to the extent that we correct our wrong behaviors. Any more guilt than what is required for us to correct our wrong behaviors is unnecessary and pointless suffering.
Shame in this context is all unnecessary and pointless suffering. There is a term for it: Toxic Shame.
I hope that you don’t call him and apologize again and instead, correct the part of your behavior that was wrong in the future, with other people. And remember he was and is far from being perfect.
“I know months back that you focused more on how little my behavior had to do with what his behavior and choices were based on his internal struggles of his own, so that’s the only part where I’m a little confused. I don’t know the extent I am responsible for the breakup“-
– Here is what I think: a healthy, satisfying, adult relationship with him was and is not possible because he never had one and because he lives with his parents and because he spends too much time online and because he seems to have no career aspirations, and.. and… And so, the issue for me is not that you are responsible for the breakup, but that there was no promising future to the relationship at all.
“Back in September, you said, …’he spends his time in pornography and sexual fantasies…” …”His way has been mostly to distract himself from this thirst for love via kinky sexual fantasies, porn and thirst traps…’ in reference to me being upset at him for admitting to losing attraction. I thought it was in moments like this where I understood that my hurt in him looking at other women and feeling undervalued was warranted… But unfortunately you’re right – why would my current ex want me to continue with him or move closer to him in the future and just continue the energy I gave him like this? It was draining!”-
-like I said, so many things about him make him NOT a candidate for a lifetime relationship with any woman, including the fact that he spent much of his time watching pornography and distracting himself with sexual fantasies instead of focusing on employment and forging his own independent life away from his parents.
Your focus on him liking photos of women in bikinis etc., that’s your deep emotional wound that his activities triggered. An appropriate partner for you would be one who is busy working, doesn’t watch pornography, and doesn’t like girls in bikini photos, not because you told him not to, but because that was not his habit to begin with.
“The biggest mental block I have is feeling like I caused all of this because I’m a walking self-fulfilling prophecy, just like he said. That he was right when he told me I looked for reasons to criminalize him and I found them. All of these realizations make me feel like I made my bed and now I have to lie in it“-
– The bed you couldn’t have ended up in (if there was no breakup with him) is living with a partner who is independent and responsible. I guess you did cause the breakup as it happened, but.. there was no future to the relationship regardless.
“I feel incredibly shameful about messing the relationship up with my past issues and projections/insecurities. So I feel like I have no room for compassion for myself and he’s the good guy because he thought more rationally and removed himself from a controlling and jealous relationship. He deserves someone better who won’t pressure him so much and I deserve to be alone and sit with what I did until I can get do better“-
– your toxic shame is telling you wrong. Again: you didn’t mess a workable, promising, mature relationship. You messed up continuing to meet him a few times per month and then going about your separate ways after every meeting.. for some time longer than it lasted.
“Also, thank you for hoping this year will be an improvement for me. If I don’t make some kind of breakthrough, I feel like I will continue to suffer unnecessarily. I am happy to hear that your mental state and peace of mind has improved with doing the hard work“- you are welcome and thank you again for your kindness.
To not suffer unnecessarily, you’ll need to resolve this toxic shame. Can you tell me later, when you have the time, what you think about the concept of toxic shame (did you read about it.. I don’t remember if we discussed it before, did we?). Also, what do you think of my input in regard to the nonpromising aspect of a relationship with him to begin with?
anita
January 4, 2024 at 12:33 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426745
anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“apparently there is only risk if your blood scores over a 5 and mine was 5.1. So my surgeon said she is 99% sure it is benign, but because it scored over 5, they have a certain procedure to follow“, “I decided to postpone the surgery so that I can get the imaging done first“-
I think it’s the right decision because it’s only a 0.1 difference, and the surgeon is 99% sure it’s benign.
Which reminds me, and I don’t know how I didn’t remember earlier, but a couple or three years ago, I was told that I had a tumor “the size of a lemon” over one of my ovaries. I had blood tests and a very expensive MRI and what was discovered was that it was fibroids (benign) that sort of grew out of the uterus and ended up by an ovary. I was told that nothing needs to be done and that those fibroids will shrink over time.
“I think it was the best decision. I am proud of myself for choosing the patient option rather than just wanted to get it over with, an easier in the moment choice“- I agree, good job, thoughtful and patient Seaturtle!
“I read a lot of studies..“- a thoughtful, patient Seaturtle who educates herself on matters before making choices!
“It annoys me too, and it also reminds me of his immaturity as well as is teflon… by blocking my number he is literally trying to spray his heart with teflon.. I wonder the affects of this for him“- think of the effects of this for you, if you volunteered to a lifetime of being blocked in one way or another, leading to an across the board chakra blockage.
“Just yesterday I was feeling like my sacral chakra needed an outlet, so I went and did a workout. I thought perhaps I could use this energy to get me to the gym?“- reads like a good idea to me.
“‘A board meeting of all chakras’ made me laugh haha, but it is true! headed by the crown chakra!”- I was impressed myself with this particular crown chakra vibration that went through me.
“I don’t feel all my chakras are united right now… My heart is not ready to be with another person though, I feel like I would have flashes of N at this point and it would have the potential to satisfy the sacral and crown while harming the heart. I need an activity that my crown agrees will simultaneously satisfy my heart and sacral chakra. Working out though, I don’t think my heart cares for that…“- how about combining exercise and the writing (typing) of Love Poems. I remember the one you shared here, I liked it!
Good to read back from you so soon (heart chakra emoji)
anita
January 4, 2024 at 11:03 am in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426741
anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
This is an unexpected development, isn’t it, that the blood work came back inconclusive for cancer. It makes sense to have an MRI as soon as possible (today, tomorrow?) and if the result is a definite no-cancer, then remove the benign tumor alone. If there is cancer, then remove the whole ovary.
* I wonder if a 2nd blood work is a good idea?
You wrote regarding the option of removing the affected ovary: “it can result in slightly less estrogen production (my only concern with this option)“- I understand, I just read about symptoms of estrogen deficiency in women. We don’t want hatchling to be moody, irritable or depressed, having hot flashes and night sweats.
“I check in at 11am tomorrow and have a chance to talk further with the surgeon so I will ask her the hormonal questions I have then“- my goodness, it is 11:08 am where you’re at. I can’t wait to read from you later about what is transpiring right now as I am typing these words.
“For now I am leaning on getting it all removed, mostly because I just want it out and an mri sounds expensive“- yes, it is expensive, but PLEASE have it if needed, I can’t think of a better use for F’s money.
“I found myself trying to reminisce with her, a lot of the qualities that her guy has are very similar to N’s nice qualities. One being physically attractive… I think it’s healthy to be able to express the good parts right? Or is that destructive for me? I am not missing N. But I do feel I miss parts“-
– The sacral chakra is interested in parts of a man. The crown chakra is interested in the totality of a man. A happy sacral chakra does not make for a happy crown chakra, as is indicated in the title of your July 29, 2023 thread: “Please help me, my mind hasn’t rested in 8 months“, and in the last sentence of your original post of this thread, Oct 6: “the inner voice of my higher self telling me it’s not right“, your higher self being your crown chakra, and your inner voice being its wisdom vibrating through you.
“It led me to a quote that resonated with me and said ‘I write because I don’t know what I think until I read what I say.’“- it’s like I said those words, substituting type for write.
“The quote made me feel like I was feeling something I was unaware of, and this forum is where I usually come to express and understand myself more so I came here to write about how I’m feeling“- I am so looking forward to you expressing and understanding yourself later today, after you return.
“I texted N on New Years Eve, I don’t regret what I said it was what I was authentically thinking and feeling I said: ‘Happy new years Nathan/ I deeply miss all the good moments we’ve had../ especially our new years together, both years./ This is not easy by any means at all.. but I still believe it is best./ We will connect again soon for some loose ends but until then I truly wish you the best” I was feeling very sentimental the entire day as that was a holiday… Anyways I feel like I’m trying to defend myself a bit over what you may be thinking”-
– first, as I was reading this part, I thought to myself: I don’t like this! but when I read what I boldfaced above, I felt better. When I read that you were trying to defend yourself over what I may be thinking, I felt .. important, as in important enough for you to care about what I am thinking.
“Anyways the whole reason I bring this up is because the message never sent“- oh! (smiley fce emoji).
“And the only reasons a message doesn’t send on an iPhone is either because you are out of service or the other person blocked your number. This is the only contact I’ve had since the breakup… I often remember your metaphor at the danger for the rabbit to have sympathy for a mountain lion (seaturtle and shark). However I still do sometimes… Then I think about the reasons I ended things and the other side of him that was manipulative and gaslighting and I have anger towards that version then there’s the fact he didn’t see me, those reasons are why I trust myself not to go back to him… it’s like I have access to my higher self vibrations at times but I am not always there, I am certainly at low and medium vibrations the same amount of time. I think I maybe get paths crossed when it comes to pleasure and what is actually the best. Cause aren’t I just a robot if I am always just doing what is best? Isn’t the human part of us that wants to go do something because it makes us feel something? What are the benefits of always doing the correct thing… a higher vibration I suppose, but why does that sound boring sometimes. Anita as much as this is hard to say and even admit to myself right now I enjoy the drama sometimes… I am not sure why I feel so open right now, perhaps the time of night. I wonder if these are thoughts I will resonate with still when I feel in a higher vibration.. that is interesting, and perhaps a major tip for journaling. I am wondering if I should send this message or if it is just a complete ramble that I should keep to myself. But perhaps it would be even more helpful to my growth to hear another persons perspective on some of my mind trails… thoughtful seaturtle”-
– (1) I am glad that you did send this message, (2) The thought that he blocked your message, if he did, annoys me, (3) I hope that you get your passport and expensive belongings back soon enough, (4) Your empathy for him is your heart chakra vibrating, (5) Your boredom, desire for drama and excitement, is about having a non-vibrating/ blocked sacral chakra. One way to get it to vibrate is to get engaged in a creative activity (acting in a play would’ve been great). Another way is to engage in a sexual activity, but I am not promoting this option to take place with N!
Sex in a new relationship, a relationship approved by a board meeting of all chakras, headed by the crown chakra, is what I recommend for you!
I am looking forward to reading from you, hoping for the best, thoughtful Seaturtle!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Star:
Welcome to the forums! According to very well mind. com, the first most popular ENFP (Extraverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceiving) career is Psychologist, and the 7th is Social worker, your “most ‘me’ career“.
It reads that there are two ENFP subtypes: ENFP-A: someone who is an ENFP-A is known as an “Assertive Campaigner“. This ENFP subtype tends t be more confident and has more emotional control in their relationships, and ENFP-T: known as “Turbulent Campaigners“, often have less confidence and less emotional control, also experiencing more anxiety when dealing with everyday stress.
16 personality types. com reads (I am adding the boldface feature to the following quotes): “It may be important to note that, when compared to the average of all Turbulent individuals from all personality types, Turbulent Campaigners are more likely to say they consider themselves to be successful. This difference may be due in part to Campaigners’ independent spirit. They are more likely to decide that success is whatever they decide success is. Living by their own standards may give them an edge over those who live by the standards of others….
“Assertive Campaigners are less affected by stressors in their lives because they tend to feel more confident in their ability to handle them… Assertive Campaigners believe to a more substantial degree than Turbulent Campaigners that they can maintain a positive focus during bad times… Turbulent Campaigners as a group are less likely than Assertive Campaigners to lay claim to control over their emotions…
“Too much control over emotions can be as damaging as too little control. If there is too much control, Assertive Campaigners can come across as colder and more aloof than Turbulent Campaigners might. Such detachment can leave them appearing a bit arrogant. Again, it’s all relative. Neither personality variant lacks warmth. But Turbulent Campaigners may be able to show their humanity to others a little more quickly and a little more deeply than their Assertive counterparts.
“Summary: * Assertive Campaigners are much more likely to say they see themselves in a positive light than Turbulent Campaigners. *Turbulent Campaigners tend to hang on to their mistakes longer than their Assertive counterparts… * More Assertive Campaigners say they deal effectively with stressors and have control over their emotions. This difference can represent both an advantage and disadvantage in life for either Campaigner personality type. * Research suggests different levels of concern over the opinions of others. Turbulent Campaigners are likely to look for the approval of others, while Assertive Campaigners prefer independence from the appraisal of others.”
Back to your post, Star: “I am quite intelligent, but my heart and emotions prompt my actions many times before I actually think through the best course of action. I still do this and my emotions get the best of me quite often“- reads like a Turbulent Campaigner.
“Throughout my life when reaching out for professional help, my favorite therapist would often remind me that I was ‘putting the carriage before the horse.’.. I am curious if anyone has found ways of how to avoid this. Looking forward to any and all ideas“-
Every day while I take my walk, I repeat in my mind the following: NPARR: Notice, Pause, Address, Respond-or-not, Redirect”. This is what it means to me: first, I Notice when I feel a particular turbulence within me (using the language of the above quotes), noticing that I feel anxious, or overthinking. I direct my attention to the turbulence.
Next, I Pause: I don’t say or do anything as a response to the internal turbulence. Instead of (using your language) of putting the carriage before the horse, I don’t touch the horse or the cart. I do nothing. Instead of allowing an energy-in-motion (e-motion), an impulse, an automatic reaction/ a habit to take me with it wherever it will, I pause.
Next, I Address the situation: what is really happening? What is underneath the turbulence? I clear my vision from the dust created by the turbulence, and with a cleared vision, I see the bigger picture. I then ask myself: what would be an effective response- if any- to what is happening or happened- guided by my chosen values.
Next, I Respond- or- not: I say or do something, or not.
And lastly, I Redirect: think about something else, do something else, get my attention away from the situation I addressed.
More thoughts: further protect the Campaigners’ independent spirit, your independent spirit, from the dust created by any emotion that happens to move through you, particularly habitual emotions and thoughts that have not served you well in the past, so that your independent spirit shines the brightest. Maintain a positive focus on reality while still seeing reality (the reality within and without) as it is, the reality within and without. Further develop confidence in your ability to endure many difficulties and thrive nonetheless.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Star: I would like to read and reply to you in about 10 hours from now.
anita
January 3, 2024 at 6:03 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426724
anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
May the Force be with you tonight and tomorrow during your outpatient surgery, I can’t wait to read that you are post-surgery and doing well!
anita
January 3, 2024 at 12:13 pm in reply to: Telling the difference between gut and fear in relationships #426705
anitaParticipantDear Seaturtle:
“You are welcome I am glad you find it useful too and I don’t mind using the metaphor in our thread“- good!
“I found it interesting that you wrote about ‘low vibrational IQ’ when speaking about N’s IQ was something I wanted to get to… I feel like he found conversation ALL of those things (undesirable, boring, threatening). Sometimes he would be defensive (threatened) other times he would just tell me he couldn’t focus and needed to be doing something in order to listen… (bored)..He definitely did not desire conversation as we do“- he had bad experiences growing up and having had conversations with his mother or father or both, or overhearing conversations/ exchanges between his parents, so he’s turned off to conversations.
“Sounds terrible, and is so not relatable since I find conversation a highlight of life“- me too. I am having a conversation with you right here, right now and it is very meaningful to me. I can’t think of anything I’d rather do instead.
“I am not sure if it the sickness I had a couple weeks ago or what exactly, but I have been really tired lately. The smallest tasks are daunting as far as energy, and I have been sleeping longer hours. I want my energy back so that I can give it to myself and do the things that make me happy. Tomorrow I have a surgery, it should be outpatient, as long as there are no complications. I have a benign ovarian tumor that has gotten very big and needs to be removed“-
– this is the first time you are sharing about this.. Is it a non-intrusive surgery aka a minimally invasive procedure? Are you scared, has it been on your mind a lot (although you didn’t share about it)?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Ben:
“I feel so embarrassed to admit that, I haven’t told anyone, but in my mind I am conscious of it and it makes me so nervous. Does it need to make me nervous or anxious? I have no idea”-
– Embarrassment/ shame is a very difficult emotional experience and it involves nervousness and anxiety. Maybe it will help you to share more about your shame..?
“I was thinking today that I’m perhaps nervous about ‘what if it all goes wrong?‘ – he gets bored of it here, with me working, the gloomy winter weather…what if… Or… Or… What if…?“-
– The brain is scanning for all the possibilities where it can go wrong, trying to prepare itself for a future devastation.
“I say this.. and then try to deploy the technique ‘What’s the evidence?’ – well… none really. He says he’s really excited about it.. ‘.. I just want to spend my time with you’“- no evidence in regard to your boyfriend. It’s the old evidence that plagues you, the evidence from childhood.
“Another pressure: part of me perhaps worries about a repeat of last time – remember… my ex visited the same time of year (gloomy winter), I was nervous, clingy, insecure… He was already distant and aloof by the time of his visit… This time? Well… I don’t really see any behaviour from his side that indicates he is ambivalent”-
– Looking at the title of your thread, Love lost, there are no guaranteed that love will not be lost, not for anyone in a romantic relationship. Key is to manage this fear, and one way to do so is to practice Mindfulness and other emotion regulation skills.
“Yet… I worry so much! I tell myself all the time, there’s nothing wrong, nothing amiss. As you say, I end up creating something amiss in my head most of the time“- another way to manage the fear is to get in touch/ become more aware of what really did go wrong, what really did go amiss in your formative years aka childhood, where this excessive fear was formed into your brain. It’d take quality psychotherapy to do that. But maybe sharing more about it here will help..?
“I know my fears don’t make any sense“- your fears make sense in the context where they originated.
“He goes for a drink and forgets to look at his phone for an hour (After I’d not really talked to him for like 5 hours) – I get upset because he then wasn’t ready for our daily call when I was ready (eye roll emoji time!)“- the brain focuses on the negative, and if the negative doesn’t exist, the brain creates it. Try to repeatedly redirect your attention to the positives.
And please do post any time you’d like to, before and during his visit. It is a pleasure to read from you, and I will be glad to reply anytime you post!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Lou92:
Thank you so much for the last paragraph, how kind of you to bother and tell me these things, wanting me to feel good about myself. You are incredible!
“Funnily enough, he would be willing to resolve once I’d lost my temper and stormed out. He would always be the one to come and make the first move at repairing. Not sure why“-
-seems to me that the reason is this: while stonewalling you, his anger was suppressed (pushed down, as in holding his breath and keeping his anger in). When you expressed your anger, storming out, he sort of hitched a ride on your expression and released his anger. No longer holding his breath, relaxed, and seeing you storming out, he was scared that you will leave him, so he went after you.
I think that he experiences a mix of anger at you, and fear that you will leave him. When his anger is down, his fear that you will leave him goes up, and the other way around.
“He has agreed to go to private therapy, which I have arranged for him, so that’s progress, right? It’s psychodynamic therapy too so really going to delve deep into his childhood“-
– If he talks and gets in touch with how angry he felt growing up with his mother, his current positively pleasant yet infrequent interactions with her will change, I imagine. Maybe his current pleasant relationship with his father will change as well. Hopefully, his anger will be redirected away from you and back to where it belongs (his parents, his stepmother), and that will be a great progress.
“We spoke this morning, where he said he was upset because he just wants things to ‘go back to normal’ – I wanted to ask if he meant before he started doing all of these mind games, or just before I found out about it”-
– I think (and I can’t be sure, of course), that in his rush for things to be back to the old “normal”, he agreed to go to therapy. His motivation: to satisfy your requirement for going back to the old normal, not so to create a.. new normal.
“Hopefully the therapy will teach him how to stop stonewalling, and learn how to communicate more effectively. I have always said that communication is the key to a healthy relationship. And he used to agree. I would like to say the proof is in the pudding there. Because his lack of communication over the past year has brought us to this point”-
– I like the term the proof is in the pudding. Interesting to me, in his lack of communication, of verbal lack of communication, he did communicate quite a bit. He communicated his anger and fear, that mix I mentioned earlier in this post.
Thank you again for your kindness and please post again any time you feel like it, and I will reply.
anita
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