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anitaParticipant
Dear Javairia:
Thank you for the message above! If you’d like to talk further, please let me know if you are reading this (I don’t know if you are still following the activity on your thread/ in the forums).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Janus:
Thank you for the hugs and appreciation. I don’t know if you are still following the activity on the forums, it being that your last post was more than seven months ago. If you are reading this, please let me know and we can communicate further (if you would like that).
anita
September 15, 2023 at 7:42 am in reply to: Claims he is not choosing his parents, rather he is loosing me. #422129anitaParticipantDear Noor:
Thank you for your good wishes and love. I would like to reply in detail to your recent post, but I need to know if you are still following the activity on your thread, it being that your post above has been unanswered for a month a half. Please let me know if you are reading this and I will reply further.
anita
anitaParticipantHey back to you, Dear soma:
I don’t know if you are following the activity on your thread, it being almost a month since you posted the above (I did not participate in the forums at the time). Please let me know if you are reading this post and I will reply to you further.
anita
September 15, 2023 at 7:10 am in reply to: The phenomenon of “helping someone excessively can make them turn against you” #422127anitaParticipantDear Arden:
You shared that you have a friend who’s been helping you a lot in the last month in the process of moving to a new flat. You love and trust this friend 100 percent, and her help is making your life easier. But you feel annoyed and resentful toward her for organizing your belongings the way she sees fit, for being overinvolved in your life, for commenting on how you should furnish your new flat, how you should clean it, etc. You want to have your “own time, alone without her visiting all the time“, your “own space”.
You are questioning whether you are a good person for feeling this way about a friend who is helping you as much as she does, and you are wondering if you feel this way toward her because you fear that you “would never be able to pay her back“, even though you are prepared to have her stay with you in your new flat in the future, if she will need such help.
Did I understand your situation correctly?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Gaby:
“Did I make the wrong decision?“- no, I think that you made the right decision. Your now ex boyfriend’s situation is a mess, a big mess. I hope it gets better. It’s just that I don’t see a reason for you to continue to suffer from a mess that you didn’t create, and for which you carry no responsibility.
“Am I delusional in thinking that I made a big deal out of nothing?“- it (the mess) is definitely not nothing; you are not delusional.
“Or am I just experiencing typical grief that comes with a breakup?“- yes, I think so.
Feel free to post again, to express yourself. I’d like to read more from you.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Positivitea:
You are welcome. Whenever you make a mistake, remind yourself that everyone makes mistakes, correct what you need to correct, and let go of guilt, don’t allow it to linger. Switch to empathy for the person who is trying so hard and is doing her best (you!)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
I noticed that you submitted a second post today after I submitted the reply above.
“Anita, it is okay, really. I am not afraid of communication here… I am a grown up and I am responsible for my own decisions so no need to be worried“- thank you, I feel better reading this.
“No way I will break up with someone over a reply post of someone who did not even bother to answer my request to elaborate. (not this post but the other one I started)“- I know that you are too intelligent to do something like that!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
A good mother would want and encourage her daughter to become capable and reasonably-powerful in life. I am sorry, Caroline, that your mother- like mine and so many others’- belongs to the bad-mother club.
“Last week she asked me whether I work for American managers. I said yes, those are my managers. I saw something weird in her eyes.. admire perhaps, but different, mixed with.. envy, I think. Immediately she changed subject like she got scared of her own thoughts or.. getting deeper into the subject. But I donât understand. She would like to brag about my success, money etc. in front of other people. But sheâs afraid of it somehow“- Best I can figure is that (1) she likes to brag about herself (as a mother, in this case) for producing a professionally/ monetarily successful daughter. Her bragging is not about her appreciating you. It is about seeking the appreciation of the people she is bragging to, wanting them to think highly of her.
(2) What you saw in her eyes is impossible for me to know, of course Maybe she was thinking something like: I wish I could work for American managers (having images in her mind of herself working for American managers, maybe images taken from a movie or a television program), followed by her thinking something like: but I am too old/ unqualified to work for American managers, followed by: Caroline is young and qualified, followed by envy, followed by… some thought that scared her..
When angry at you in the past, or still: what does she say or do to you?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Searching:
You are very welcome. I agree with you that “being ok even if you are alone is crucial“, and I agree with the words of a song that says that we are “people who need people“. We are social beings, like other social animals, and being alone for too long is therefore, naturally depressing.
“I have tried attending a few events and volunteering activities, but I do feel that itâs harder to find people in my age group since most people already have their own circles by then“- this is where technology (dating apps)Â can be helpful: finding the people in your age group.
“I guess I just have to overcome my initial hesitancy and try it out“- the way to deal with hesitancy/ anxiety about trying something new, is to take it one step at a time: taking the first step without thinking about (and getting overwhelmed with) the next step, and the next. A first step might be to look at different dating apps with the thought: if I was to choose an app which one would it be?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Stacy:
You are welcome.
“I donât understand how someone seemingly so committed for months can just lose feelings so easily“-
You wrote in your original post: “We were in a long distance relationship the entirety of this relationship…Over the span of this almost 12 month relationship, we only were able to meet about 1-2 (sometimes 3) times per month“- his commitment was not tested in the context of a short-distance relationship or in the context of seeing each other daily, or living together.
“We texted daily and I did have an issue with his lack of communication in between visits“- his commitment was lacking in the context of a long-distance relationship.
“I don’t understand how…Â someone could enjoy a relationship with someone they never even planned on staying with, yet they discussed vasectomy plans with“- I don’t know what he was feeling and what his intention was, if any, when he talked about vasectomy with you, but I do know that it is easy to TALK, it takes very little energy to utter words, and lots of people like to utter words, that is, to talk. So they talk.
He is a gamer: think about how much is “happening” within the game while all he has to do is to move his fingers or such, right? If he was actually in the game, if the game was real, not much would be happening because he wouldn’t have the energy to do in real-life what is so easy to do when gaming.
“The only rationalization my brain can understand is that he would become committed for the ‘right’ woman who gives him ‘tough love.’“- (1) you have been assuming that his brain is the same or very similar to your brain. But it isn’t. It is very different in that, for one, he suffers from ADHD and details, or minute nuances of things escape him, while those loom big in your brain. He easily distracts himself from things; you overthink things. (2) a different woman is not going to change the workings of his brain. There is no right woman who can right the less than pristine workings of his brain.
“I appreciate you for offering me alternative rationalizations for his behavior. I hope to get to where I can truly shut out my negative self-talk and blame“-negative self-talk and self-blame is fueling your overthinking. You keep thinking that it’s your fault that this man (a 31-year-old man who lives with his parents and who never had a committed or a long-term relationship, and who spends most of his free time alone, gaming and liking girls on social media) is not in a committed, long-term relationship with you.
“I should probably go no contact for now even though I know that if I do this, I will most likely never hear from him again. I donât want to ghost him, but I donât know how to tell him that I need a pause from him without feeling more pathetic“- you can ask him: how do you feel about going no contact with me? I am asking because I am considering it. His response, or lack of, will give you some information that may help you in deciding whether to go no-contact or not. Will that make you feel pathetic?
“My brother… is in very good hands currently where they take his health seriously and I am VERY grateful to his caretakers. We visit him often so thatâs really nice“- good thing, that he is in very good hands!
“Your NYC story resonated so much with me. Iâve tried to make my own experiences on my own. And then as soon as I try to include my family, they stress out… we get frustrated with each other. I canât seem to enjoy or recreate the experiences I had… and I canât enjoy the experiences without them“- exactly my experience. Soon after my mother left NYC and returned to her country, I left it too (to another state) because I was so depressed. Later, when I visited NYC again, the magic was totally gone. It was like another place, unrecognizable, empty from all that I felt there before.
“Your experience gives me some hope that I can work my way through this ongoing problem. Iâve been aware of it since I was in therapy… No more relationships and life experiences where I feel inherently unworthy and guilty would be great“- it would be great!
“My mom frequently expresses how money is her only solution to happiness“- is she suggesting that you should find a way to give her the money that she needs, enough of it to make her happy? My mother expressed something similar, and repeatedly. I felt that I was failing her by not providing her with the money and material luxury that she wanted. (I tried..).
“I try to tell her that she needs to find hobbies that bring her joy and meaning to her life. She gets offended and tells me that all of her hobbies require money or her health, and that all of the constant repairs and debt she has keeps her trapped“- (1) you try to help her because you care about her, and she gets offended. A loving mother would have appreciated your caring. (2) a life with her loving daughters is.. a trap, in her experience.
“I donât want to accept that my mom is right about money because if she is right, I canât be mad at her for doing nothing to help herself“- you can be mad at her for appreciating money so much, but not appreciating you and your love and care for her. Seems to me that what she wants is money (and understandably health), but what she needs is.. a heart.
“I feel like I canât tell her to stop complaining to me because sheâs getting old“- I read somewhere that women start to age at 25.. so you’ve been getting old in the last six years. How much older should you get before you matter too, before are too old for her selfish complaining?
“and I donât want to cause her any more distress than I already do. Weeks before my breakup, I was having the worst financial and health related month (July) and my health anxiety was obsessive (still is). She went off on me and said I was insufferable to live with“- (1) the chicken and the egg analogy: what came first was your mother making you suffer with her selfish complaining and lack of caring about your feelings. What came second is your distress. (2) your mother is okay complaining to you, venting her distress, but she is not okay about you doing what she is doing… not fair. (3)Â if you are insufferable to live with, in your mother’s experience, do your mother the favor and move out.
“My sister agreed and said I was negatively affecting our momâs health“- again, the chicken and the egg analogy: first, it is your mother who has been, and for a long, long time, negatively affecting your health. Second (and not intentionally on your part): what goes around, comes around.
“I know I need professional help with my health anxiety. I cannot afford it, and this only reinforces my fears of what my mom says about money“- if you had effective quality, effective professional help, you would realize that you need to move out and not live with your mother and sister. How do you feel now, without that quality therapy experience about leaving them?
anita
September 13, 2023 at 12:40 pm in reply to: Confused on How to Deal With This Side of My Boyfriend: Am I overreating? #422063anitaParticipantDear anonymous03:
It’s a good thing that things between you and your mother are currently fantastic. The reason I brought her up is because your relationship with her has been troubled and full of anger for a long, long time, ever since you were a child and way into your adulthood- according to what you shared with me in an earlier thread. And I figured that it is likely that such anger will seep into any long-term, romantic relationship.
In your original post you shared that your boyfriend, his sister and you were on a holiday, where you got into a heated discussion. You were “a little irritated” at his behavior. At a later point, he told you and his sister “about how his uncle had insulted his mom, and how he has never forgiven him for that“, and you said next:Â âOkay now letâs get to something important, letâs talk about booking tickets for tomorrowâs tourâ. He was hurt and felt that you were insensitive (when you suggested perhaps, or so it sounds, that what is important to him is not really important, or not important to you).
You told him that you “hadnât meant it like that at all, but I could see how that may have sounded, and realized it was hurtful“. He was still “angry and upset“, telling you that you’ve been “subtly insulting like that many times“, that “the problem is that (you) do not respect him“, and that he “does not understand how (you) could not have any empathy at all“. Later on, you asked him if he wanted to break up: “Do you want to break up? I can do that. Do you want me to leave right now?“. Fast forward some, he threatened to leave you, but later he “calmed down a bit after I apologized and said that he did not mean it when he said heâd leave without a conversation. It was just anger“.
“I said I felt he had scolded me way too much, to which he said he was only venting. I said it did not seem like that to me.. I want to talk about all this with him. How…. He will deflect blame, bring my mistakes and faults up, bring up false equivalences, before admitting he was in the wrong here and apologizing. It always is like that… he does get mean when he is angry. And brings up personal stuff and false equivalences“.
You mentioned a series of past fights with your boyfriend as well. Reading your original post, I can see the dance of anger between the two of you, and I can see your deep anger clearly. You asked in the title of your thread: “Am I overreacting?“-my answer: yes. I think that your past very troubled, very angry relationship with your abusive mother, a relationship you shared about at length (again, I am glad to read that it is fantastic now and that you are living apart from her), is seeping into your romantic relationship with your boyfriend. I think that although he is not perfect (no human is), you perceive his words and actions as worse than they are. In other words, you see your mother in him and you are overreacting.
I can see through your writing how hard you’ve been trying to be objective, fair and just, and I admire you for it. It’s just that I also see the projection, given what you yourself shared before. It is quite normal to project a (past, if not current) abusive parent into romantic partners and other people. I do it too. But I keep correcting myself, doing my best to perceive people correctly, as they are, not as my mother is, or was.
Here is an example: a moment ago, as I was about to submit this post, I got scared that you will get angry at me and attack me in your next post, argue with me that you are not projecting, that.. I am the one projecting, and argue on and on, guilt-ing me and shaming me… This is me projecting my mother into you; this is what she would do, how she would reply to this post, if she was you. And as I am about to submit this next, I still think that this might happen. It feels quite real.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
You are very kind, thank you!
“Well over the course of that 5 year relationship I learned I needed to be more forgiving but still firm on what I was looking for… assertive“- a perfect combination: more forgiving and firm/ assertive, as in not one or another, or one at the expense of the other.
“I was always expecting something, something to change but I missed the moments of reality“- you wrote this in regard to your adult relationship, but I am thinking that this has been true to the girl that you were when growing up: “I.. stayed in my own world“, “I kind of repressed a lot of memories to be honest and it is a bit hazy… I didnât know it was affecting me or how I really felt about” (Aug 4, 2020).
This is how I too experienced my childhood: repressed memories (I have very few memories of it), hazy, in my own world- daydreaming a lot, and like you, I too studied very hard. It happens to a child when growing up in an ongoing distressing situation: the child closes-in, dissociates, pays the least attention to what is happening (missing the moments of reality) so to lower the distress. These are not conscious, individual choices: nature/physiology chooses this for us.
Similarly to you, I grew up in a 1-bedroom apartment, a small 1-bedroom (with my mother and a younger sister). Before their divorce, my parents too fought. But I remember only one such incident: loud voices, glass breaking perhaps, suicide threats, etc. I remember looking through a little hole in the makeshift-door that created a separate tiny second room, scared.
“I loved with blind eyes until the 3rd time I left“- living as a child with blind eyes, as much as possible, so to not see the distressing, ongoing events=> living adulthood and loving with blind eyes
“The 3rd time I left I chose me, I prioritized me in what I wanted and needed‘- firm, assertive!
“I think I was trying to mold myself too, to fit him and force a happy relationship“- an ongoing childhood adjustment that you made growing up: “I did as I was told... I studied hard and did not question much since I didnât want to give them another reason to argue“, April 4, 2020)
“Itâs been 1.5 years since I spoke to him and over that time I almost went into a mourning phase because I realized we just werenât right for each other no matter how hard we tried“-
– this makes me think of the child that I was: my mother and I, we just weren’t right for each other, no matter how hard I tried. But a child does not have the option to leave a bad relationship.. with one’s mother.
“I was also resentful, for him not loving me the way I loved him“- this is my childhood experience, in regard to my mother: unrequited love. It is your experience too, with your father, isn’t it, an experience you projected into your then boyfriend : âmy dad and my current partner have very similar personalities. Maybe, I subconsciously looked for that to try and fix it, the âun-required love?ââ (April 2020)
“I think before I just couldnât shake the feeling that we were meant to be but that was childish“- a child feels that she was meant to be with her parents. Fast forward, this feeling is projected to a romantic partner.
“It was just an attachment to familiarity is what I was experiencing. The feeling of lack of emotion, distance, separation anxieties, and quality time. All what I experienced growing up“- it was not only the lack in your childhood that you re-experienced with your then boyfriend, but also the HOPE that this lack will change (“I was always expecting something, something to change“, yesterday’s post).
“I am still super single and I am just having fun by myself with my two cats. Occasionally I go out with some friends to keep up the human interactions. I am doing things alone that I never thought Iâd do before. I am trying and learning to be happy with my own company. Thatâs me so far. Much love, Tee“- much love back to you, Tee, and congratulations, again, for making a super single, fun life happen for you! I will be glad to read more from you anytime you feel like sharing!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Caroline:
You are welcome. * Note: I just finished this short post and I feel quite overwhelmed by my current understanding. The following may be distressing to you, so please read it when you are prepared. You can choose to not read it at all.
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“I know my mother used to/still is this way, she does not believe in herself, thinks simple tasks are too much for her, whereas other people can do it with no problem because they areâŚmore capable… I have to âpretendâ to be incapable because otherwise my mother would feel.. inferior to me, so to speak. I have a feeling sometimes that she is fragile and I cannot be powerful in her presence… she would feel inferior to someone who is powerful“-
– seems like your mother does not wish for you to be capable and powerful/ resourceful because that would make her feel inferior to you, and envious of you. So to please her, to make her better, you.. pretend to be incapable, powerless and inferior, like her.
Back in Oct 8, 2022, you wrote: “my mom started being ashamed of meâŚshe naturally thought her child was inferior“- or she wanted her daughter to be inferior, like her. As a child, you knew what she wanted from you and you accommodated her (is what I am now thinking).
In Oct 18, 2022, you wrote: “We have this colleague⌠I do not act inferior with her, I noticed. Sometimes I feel ⌠guilty? That I am âsuperior“- here it is, the projection of your mother into this colleague, as I understand it: to please your mother, to get her approval, as a child, you took on the role of incapable, inferior. You knew and still, you know that this is what she wants from you and you feel too guilty to take (that role) away from her…?
anita
September 13, 2023 at 9:31 am in reply to: Boyfriend quit job and is borrowing from me.. I feel so anxious #422050anitaParticipantDear Neha:
You are welcome.
“I havenât told him how itâs been making me feel because I donât want to put additional stress on him“- it is loving of you to not want to put additional stress on him, but you have to love yourself too: to address your own heightened stress level and lower it.
You shared today that you grew up poor and with a violent, alcoholic father, which made you want to desperately escape home, and that you developed almost an obsession’ with saving money so that you could escape. I can understand why lending him so much money would be especially distressing to you, being that for you:Â saved money = freedom from entrapment in a bad situation.
“I love him and heâs perfect in every other way.. I know I wonât find a love like this again and a partner who deeply loves/accepts me like this” – will he not deeply love you and accept you if he knew how you feel about the money he borrowed from you?
“Money comes and goes but real love is hard to find“- but for you, when money goes, especially when it is unnecessary for it to go, it is a very distressing situation.
“ We are planning to get engaged next year. I’m just hoping the money part will solve itself by then” -seems like he is comfortable borrowing money from you and is not at all desperate to repay you. What if this becomes a marital pattern that he quits jobs and uses the money that you save? Notice: you are already feeling annoyed (meaning, slightly angry) about the topic (“I feel triggered and annoyed when you ask me for money“); anger will not disappear once you are married, not if the problem behind your anger continues.
“I havenât told him how itâs been making me feel because… I donât know how to address that topic“- you can say, or give it to him typed on a paper, the following (the italicized are your own words in your original post, with pronouns edited):
(name), I love you so much and I care a lot about how you feel. I know that you care about how I feel too, so I want to tell you how I feel about the $6,000 I loaned you: it makes me feel very anxious about the future. Things are so expensive and I feel a lot of pressure on myself now that you are in debt. Many of our friends are getting married now and I fear we will fall behind because you need to pay off your debts. I have always been a little ‘money-crazy’ because of how I grew up (and)Â I feel triggered and annoyed when you ask me for money. What do you think or feel about what I just shared with you?
* “He is in credit card debt too so he wonât be able to take out money to pay me back right now“- I meant that he can borrow more using his credit card, if he didn’t maximize his line of credit yet, so to pay you back.
anita
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