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anitaParticipantDear Sushmita:
I am sorry you’re going through a tough time. We talked more than 3 years ago.
I’ll get back to you in the morning (Tues night here).
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee:
Only 2 hours ago, the capital of Ukraine was attacked by whom I believe, in the other thread, you referred to (rightfully so) as The Bully.. whom others try to appease. I read with great interest all that you wrote there, and I wholeheartedly agree.
I’ve followed the devastating Oct 7, 2023 massacre in Israel and the aftermath.
Within these global tragedies, injustices, severe wrongdoings.. Is there space for me, this one individual?
I suppose I am taking the space right here because you, Tee, you are here, and I trust you.
I want to process what I didn’t yet start to process, right here, with you.
Maybe I should offer a Trigger Warning
* Trigger Warning: the topic of suicide will be mentioned here, as well as other childhood trauma *
Whatever comes to mind (purpose: to heal, to transform, to transcend):
As early I can remember, my mother threatened to commit suicide. Actually, that’s my very first memory (at 5 or 6, don’t remember). Twenty years later, she threatened the same.. and throughout the in-between, and beyond, into my 30s.. until my sister told her (I was 30, maybe 40): “Then just do it!”
And.. magically, she never threatened it again.
For all of my childhood and after, day after day, I was afraid that she’d do what she said she would. I used to pray to the stars: “Please, please, please.. please, keep her alive.”
I stayed Home (in that prison cell) all of the years when other children played outside, socializing. I stayed home with her to keep an eye on her, to see that she doesn’t kill herself.
I absorbed everything she dished out at me.. received the severe shaming and guilt-tripping.. so to keep her alive.
This is the truth, neither minimized, nor exaggerated.
I lived under her suicide threat. Day after day after night, year after year.. almost a whole lifetime.
Funny, not.. not funny, she’s still alive at 85, so I hear.
The first memory I have is that of her threatening to kill herself and running to the street at night-time so to do the deed, so she said. My father was there, they divorced when I was 6, so I imagine it happened when I was 5-6, only that it might not have been just that one night, but a combination of nights. He repeatedly came home late and she accused him of being with other women. Screaming and yelling. Don’t remember him yelling, don’t remember.
She left into the dark, I must have cried really hard, really loud because to silence me he hit me with a belt. And my screaming halted.. that may have been when dissociation took hold. I sort of exited my body, or my mind, imagining I was in a movie, a bold actress, filmed into an exciting movie, and I left into the dark, looking for a dead body.. all the way to the street.
And I saw her then, a dream come true.. she was alive, I ran to her, RAN to her, Ima, Ima, Ima.. You are alive!
The response, her response: angry, accusatory: “why wouldn’t I be alive?”.
She didn’t hold me, she didn’t calm me.. She was Ice.
That was about the time the tics (Tourette) started, tics that follow me to this very day.
I’ve never processed this. Always felt dissociated from this, as if it didn’t really happened, as if I was exaggerating, making something out of nothing.
I don’t know where I am going with this. I think I want to integrate this experience, to reassociate it, so that I can transcend it.
It really happened, again and again and again, practically on an ongoing basis for 20 years, in-person.
Before the topic of self-worth, there was just this one thing: God please keep my mother alive! The dread. And then add the shame, the guilt. Not a good recipe for good mental health.
What if I let little girl Anita (inner child) talk about this.. will she sound different from what I shared right above.. What will she say?
Anita: talk to me little girl Anita.
Little girl Anita (LGA): (Nothing)
Anita (A): Remember, sweet little girl (here’s a hug, shhh.. it’s okay, little girl, you are safe now)
LGA: tears in her eyes.
Anita: Tell me, tell me.. please talk to me, you are safe.. and Tee is safe too, she is our friend!
LGA: Our friend? A: Our friend. LGA: She won’t hurt us?
A: No, she will not. She is for us, not against us. So, please talk to me, talk to Tee. Tell Tee how it was. LGA: Why?
A: So that we can help you! Tee is an Inner Child Champion, an Inner Child Warrior! Talk to her. Tell her about that night, or nights. It was dark, you heard her loud, what happened.. ?
LGA: I ran to her, I was going to save her!!! I was going to be a hero, a hero for my mother.. Her Hero!
A: Little girl Anita, a Hero..? LGA: Yes, a hero! A: You wanted to be her hero?
LGA: YES…!!! A: What would it’d be like, to be her hero?
LGA: She’d look up to me, her hero! A: She needed a hero?
LGA: Yes, she needed a big-time hero, someone special, someone unlike any other, someone great enough to save her!
A: a movie star, someone rich, someone more? LGA: Someone .. not me.
A: Tell me. LGA: She needed someone else, not me.
A: Who is “me”? LGA: someone who needed a mother, not a daughter.
A: You tried to mother her? LGA: She NEEDED a mother. A: What did LGA need?
LGA: I needed her alive, needed to keep her alive.
A: What did her suicide threats do to you? LGA: They kept me scared.
A: What did you need back then? LGA: A mother who didn’t want to die.
A: Did she want to die? (She’s still alive at 85) LGA: She lied to me?
A: She never killed herself, started the threats when she was 25, now 60 years later, she’s still alive.
LGA: She didn’t mean it? A: No.
LGA:.. ??? A: She bullied you, sweet little girl. LGA: Just like that?
A: Just like that, it was easy for her.
LGA: She lied. A: She lied.
LGA: So, hmm… just a lie. A: Just a lie.
LGA: So, I don’t have to be afraid anymore? A: She will not kill herself, she will die of natural causes.. no suicide.
LGA: Natural causes..? A: Natural causes, ageing.
LGA: I remember her young, 25! A: 60 years ago.
A: This has been quite a conversation! LGA: Will you hug me tonight, as we go to sleep?
A: Yes, I will hug you tonight, and every night. I love you. You are a good little girl. I am with you. You are not alone.
… Anita and Little girl Anita
anitaParticipantDear Tee š«¶
“Yes, I myself only learned about emotional enmeshment with my mother in the last few years. I didnāt know it either for the longest time.. I was still hoping for something from her, her opinion of me was important to me.”-
For a child, the main or only (in my case) caretaker’s opinion in regard to the child’s worth is Everything, isn’t it?
“I didnāt realize I was actually hoping for her validation. I was hoping she would see me and understand me, and that she wouldnāt judge me. But then Iāve realized this would never happen.. and so I let go of the need for her to see me in a good light. To approve of me.”-
This is the part I still need to heal from, my holding on to needing her to approve of me, to give me the sense of self-worth that she held back from me, a need that resisted thousands of miles in-between me and her and many years of no-contact.. A need that can resist even her passing.
My inner child stubbornly looks up to her as the one to hand me self-worth.
“Also, I stopped trying to make her happy, because Iāve realized she is the kind of person who doesnāt want to be happy. And so me trying to cheer her up and comfort her are futile attempts..”-
All my efforts to make her happy failed.
“It doesnāt mean I have no empathy for her, e.g. when she has some health issues, Iāll always try to help and comfort her. But Iām not attached to how she would receive it ā and Iām not attached to making her feel better. In other words, Iām not attached to changing her emotional state ā because thatās impossible. She is responsible for that, and only she can choose to look at things more positively⦠but refuses to.”-
This Clarity on your part is priceless. It is inspirational.
I wrote to you yesterday: “Yes. I am feeling it right now, this moment. It feels like love, undying love for her…” After I submitted the post to you yesterday, I wrote another, but I didn’t submit it. It said:
“… I cannot not love her. This Love was the Beginning of me. She’d never know.. never received my love, Yet, still, it’s who I AM… 14 years removed, no contact, she might die anytime… The Two Shall Never Meet.. not in life… I would have, have done ANYTHING, EVERYTHING for her. And I did! I loved her so much, for so long. This is who I am…. I just love her so much, can’t stop, won’t stop…”-
Today, I say.. what if I no longer perceive her as my lifetime H.O.P.E for self worth. Will I then feel that undying love for her?
Back to your words: “Yes, we as children have a huge love and need for our parents, specially for our primary caregiver, which is often our mother. Itās like weāre holding our arms stretched towards our mother, wanting to be taken into a nurturing embrace, wanting to be comforted, soothed, protectedā¦. in that embrace, we would ideally get all of our emotional needs met.”-
Yes, I remember now, the longing was not only for self worth, a sense of being of value.. but also for comfort, a longing for hushing that anxiety that I-am-all-alone, and alone, I-will-die.
First memory I have was of the night she loudly announced (to my father) that she was going to kill herself, right there and then, and then left into the night. I went looking for her, and when I found her on the street, I ran to her with arms outstretched, running toward her for an embrace (Mother, you are ALIVE!- joy), but she didn’t take me in her arms. She was angry at me.
I think that right there is what fuels my undying love for her.. that need for her to embrace me.
“But we often donāt get it.. instead, we get rejection and abuse. But our arms keep being stretched towards our parents,”-
You said it right here, “arms keep being stretched towards our parents”- that’s the 5-year-old me in that dark night scene, arms stretched toward her. Fast forward, heart stretched toward her.. yesterday.“and we keep thinking that if we only become a better child, our mother will finally take us into her loving embrace⦠Weāre trying to adapt, to become more ālovableā, thinking that weāre not lovable enough..”- this is the W.A.I.T.I.N.G for her to give me that long-awaited for sense of worth, the sense that I mattered to her, that I made some kind of a positive difference to her.
“Our love remains unchanged and equally strong, and weāre trying to change ourselves to become more lovable. Which with toxic parents is of course a dead end.. Now thinking about it, itās not that our inner child should let their hands down (as in give up on love), but rather, we, our adult self, should pick up our inner child and take it into a loving embrace. We should be that loving parent to our inner child. We donāt give up on love, but we donāt seek it anymore from those who cannot give it to us.”-
Yes.. I need to pick up little 5-year-old Anita, go back to that night, and give her what she needed then. I want to do this exercise right here, on this thread, later on.
“Thank you, Anita. Itās probably watching hours and hours of YouTube videos on childhood trauma and narcissistic abuse ā I kind of picked up the gist š But in all seriousness, itās my personal experience plus the explanations by experts that helped me wrap my head around what Iāve been through and what others in a similar situation might be going through. In any case, Iām really happy it is helping you š”-
I am happy (smile on my face), and grateful, that you watched all those YouTube videos and so intelligently figured things out!
“Iām so happy you feel this way, and that the distrust and fear are slowly melting away ā¤ļø Youāve made a major step towards that opening: youāve let go of your defenses and mustered the courage to hear even painful things about yourself, which is not an easy thing. You had the spaciousness, the openness, the vulnerability to say āI see your pain, even as I am feeling my own pain.ā
“And that I think is your True Self in action ā a part of us that has compassion both for ourselves and others, that is willing to listen with an open heart and mind, that feels togetherness with others⦠I think youāve stepped into your true, authentic self and this is the shift youāre experiencing⦠and to me, it is beautiful to behold and be a part of ā¤ļø”-
Now, tears in my eyes
ā¤ļø ā¤ļø ā¤ļø Little girl Anita
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
Your message is beautiful. For me, it’s perfect: not too long/ abstract, and easy for me to understand. I want to process it in my mind and heart, to allow it to sink in:
“Thank you for your beautiful question and for the affection woven into it.”- my affection has been acknowledged and received. It feels nice.
“Yes, you are included.”- I like being included. Other people also like to be included.
“When I speak of warmth and openness… Itās spacious… because it can hold the personal without clinging… without grasping”- The term “no strings attached” come to mind, in the sense that something is being offered or done without expectations, obligations, or hidden conditions.
So, I accept your affection, Peter, whenever offered, with no expectations, clinging, or grasping.
“Iāve hesitated to use the word ‘love’ because of its many layer, some tender, some tangled. But what I feel when I read your message is something like love. Not the kind that possesses or defines, but the kind that listens, smiles, and stays.”-
This is the kind of love I want to feel and express to others: the kind that listens, smiles and stays.
In the past, I felt the kind of “love” that possesses or wants to possess, the kind that defines how the “loved one” should or shouldn’t be. It wasn’t really Love, it was Fear holding on to the idea of imagined (illusionary) safety.
As in, if only this or that person felt this way, thought that way, acted this or that way.. then I won’t be afraid anymore.
“Youāre not missing the point of wisdom or non-duality. When you reach out to others with compassion you’re living it. When the living truth meets a face, a name, a smile, words on a screen.. it doesnāt dissolve them. It embraces them, gently, without grasping.”- thank you, beautifully said.
Gently embracing (Love)- not tightly grasping (Fear).
š«¶š·šš«š Anita
October 21, 2025 at 9:54 am in reply to: āHe initiated closeness, then disappeared ā still hurting months laterā #451133
anitaParticipantDear Adalie:
A new member, BAI, posted in another thread this morning regarding a relationship breakup and the person not moving on: “It seems that this personās presence is teaching you the final lesson you must face: love and separation. What may be difficult to accept is not necessarily that she has started a new relationship, but that you are still held back by the belief that you were not enoughāthat if you had been better, you might have returned to her side sooner in a new role. Is that how you feel…?”-
As I read it, I thought it’s true to my attachment to my mother, it’s hard for me to separate emotionally from her because I am still held back by the belief that I was not enough, that if I had been better, she and I would have been close and together.
Then, when I looked at your recent post/ thread, I was wondering if that’s what keeps you emotionally attached to this guy.. believing that you were not enough, that if you had been better, the two of you would be together..?
š¤šæ Anita
anitaParticipantNo.. EIGHT 16.. 17 pm
anitaParticipant9:16.. lol
anitaParticipantOverwhelmed.. ? I understand, me. Too much. No mention of her from me, me š
We’re on the same time zone, not far away.. totally dark, and it’s only 8:15 pm.
You’re ready to go to bed? (I’m hoping to stay up for another hour..)
anitaParticipantDear me: I understand you don’t want to be vulnerable, it’s just that IF she is truly into you.. then you’re quite safe with her.
anitaParticipantDear Nichole:
Thrilled to read from you this Mon night!
C o N g R a T s for your new kitchen counter tops!
“this is a marathon not a sprint, this healing journey.”- and I am here to run (walk, really) this marathon alongside you š¶āāļøš
“my responses are sometimes more delayed than yours but I am here and will always respond.”- I am cool with that!
Anytime you want to express, to share.. Please do.
Seven minutes to 8 pm here, seven minutes to 11 pm where you’re at, soon going to bed?
š¤šæ Anita
anitaParticipant“Does not read them”-CHOOSES not to read them? Ignoring you?
anitaParticipantAnd she chooses not to answer (really, I am slow in this regard.. not kidding).
She receives your messages, reads them, and doesn’t answer?
anitaParticipantI would like to read more from you. Lily, your thoughts, your feelings, and respond kindly, respectfully š
anitaParticipantIn other words, she gets your messages and chooses to not answer???
anitaParticipant“she never reads the texts”- I have no experience, or very, very little experience with texting technology.. does it mean that she purposefully doesn’t answer your texts.. as a passive-aggressive move?
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