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  • #49082
    libertymojo
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    An other post, an other story but always the same underlying feeling PAIN.

    Few months ago I would have laughed about someone writing his/her story on a website, few months ago I did not even know about this type of community.Today I have to apologize for having these thoughts especially when I read your stories and fell your pains and understand that I am not totally losing my mind.

    I never took anything for granted in my life as everyone else I had to face a lot of hurdles but somehow i always managed to find my way, to stick to my values.

    Today it is a total different story. i am lost at sea and somehow the downward spiral is endless. I am a medical doctor, triathlete, decent looking man a perfect stereotype of the successful guy according to our modern society standards.The outside may look shiny but the inside is just plain suffering and insecurity.

    I was in a long distance relationship for 3 years and madly in love with this girl. My entire life was focused on her and trying to find a way to get back together.
    When I had to move away it was extremely challenging for an emotional standpoint to cope with the pain my reaction was to focus on my new job and use every single second of my free time to visit her (I was traveling the world sometimes just for few hours). I did not want settle here to show her that I was fully devoted to our relationship(I am a man of only one woman I guess it is very old style).I gave everything that I have my Love, Energy, Time,Health but I suppose it was not enough 2.5 months ago I had this email ending by take good care of yourselfand then nothing just this dramatic silent room… Like many of you I am devastated. I drag myself to work (place that I hate), I am not doing any sport anymore(use to train around 10 hours/week), I can not stop crying and trust me when you have to deal with patients and staff all day long it is not easy to keep your composure, I do not have any social network adding to the loneliness and to top it off this job is a major disappointment/fraud.
    I have obviously access to medical literature,counseling. I am supposed to be rational and well rounded and hence should deal with this major issue like an adult but I can not. I hit rock bottom. What happened just suck out my vital energy, my motivation and will. I look in the mirror and I see a different person a zombie that is barely surviving.I feel so empty my life is so meaningless since my anchor point disappeared.
    You can read books, lists, listen to good advices. When you give genuinely 1000% of yourself no matter your level of education, sex, religion, race, money nobody can truly feel your pain, you are just crushed, empty because these individuals smashed your heart into smithereens put your world upside down, left you on the sidewalk.
    Obviously I am neither the first one nor the last one. My pain is not worse than yours. I am far from being special just a random broken heart among billion of others.

    Is there any way out?? Can you one day feel happiness again?? Can you trust someone again?? I do not have any of these answers but I am a little( a lot) pessimistic….

    Thank you for opening my eyes (I wish I did not have to go through hell to discover this community)

    Take good care of yourself and try to preserve who you are

    #49084
    Helen
    Participant

    Libery,

    Thank you for opening up and sharing your heart. Sometimes this in itself is a release of pain and a beginning on a journey of healing. I am calling it journey because that is what it is. Sometimes we can heal quickly but often after an emotional blow it takes time, patience, and strong heart. First, I would say give yourself a little time to grieve fully. At this time, because I am myself going through some growth, my energy is not such that I can offer much more in terms of words. Your story spoke to me because I could identify with many aspects of it. Rest in knowing for now that you are heard, you are important, and you are not alone. Others who go through pain come out of it on the other side much stronger, and with renewed happiness and vitality in life. There is nothing that is permanent in life, not joy and neither pain.

    I am certain you will get more voices singing with my small message. Keep your heart open and many wonderous things will flow in.

    With light and warmth,
    Helen

    #49086
    memm
    Participant

    Obviously the medical profession can be very stressful, it does not seem particularly out of character to crash under such circumstances. If I recall one of the videos here contained a discussion on mental health issues in the medical occupation under high stress, you might find some of the resources here interesting as they are all quite scientific

    http://www.mindandlife.org/dialogues/past-conferences/

    And you’re right, you’re not alone. If it wasn’t this it would be something else down the line, eventually everybody faces some painful things no matter what your social status is. Just how painful depends a lot on your outlook in life and how well you’ve trained your mind. I think as a doctor and triathlete you might relate to this. Just like you train your body you also need to train your mind, for most this only occurs to them after something horrible happens, just like you never go to the doctor until something really goes wrong. After that you become more careful and start looking after yourself.

    So perhaps consider that you might have been concentrating on a lot of things, from your physical body to your achievements and intellect but not enough on the emotional state and mental fortitude. Then something like this came along and suddenly BAM you need a doctor!

    Take this as a lesson; that you’re not so different from anybody else, that you can connect with other people easier after understanding this, that you also need to take care of your point of view and mentality. Consider taking up meditation, think of it as a tool for exercising, maintaining and strengthening the emotional state.

    I think you can use this to better yourself, to connect with other people more closely than before and to learn more about yourself. This way of thinking is probably something you of all people could appreciate and utilise.

    #49090
    Matt
    Participant

    Libertymojo,

    I’m sorry for your suffering, and can understand how dark and hopeless life becomes when our loved one leaves us. Sometimes when we invest all of ourselves into a relationship, we lose sight of who we are, where we are, and forget how to find happiness alone. Our partner becomes a beacon of all that is good, and if death or disinterest takes them, the ground falls out of our world. A few things came to heart as I read your words.

    Consider that sometimes when the outside looks pristine, the inner garbage looks even scarier. Yes, you’re a doctor, supposedly a beacon of well being and rock for the community. Yet, inside you are a screwed up mess. Sure, you may recognize the commonality between yourself and other grieving people, but it surely feels like your pain is unmanageable. That “unworkable” feeling to your grief is tied into the exhaustion you feel from putting on a mask and doing rounds with a smile. Your pain is clearly intense, and you’re right… it is the same pain, the same spinning as billions of others have experienced.

    That being said, it seems that the pain is great enough that you’re eternalizing it… as though your grief will be never ending. Don’t despair, dear friend, grief does that to us. You’ve loved and been hurt, and now have to pick up the pieces. And, often when we are well learned in illness and healing, we think we should somehow be above it, better than it… as a doctor not being sick, a psychologist enlightened. This places an additional burden on our shoulders, because along with the pain, we struggle to validate that pain.

    Healing the heart takes time and space, and it is our sacred duty to give both. Said differently, because you’re grieving, its important that you engage in self nurturing activities. Take a bath, go for a run, listen to soft music, or whatever it is that helps provide space to your mind and heart. For instance, your mind jumps and bucks as emotions surge through you. At the office, you have to clamp those down in order to focus on the well being of others. On a run, however, yes there are tears, and the feet keep moving. Yes there are thoughts of isolation, betrayal, confusion, and the feet keep moving. When we give ourselves space in such ways, and let our mind and body go through the process, it becomes simpler. It is still painful, there are still tears, but there isn’t a need to fight them, crush them, or keep them. They arise and they fade. The thoughts come, hurt, and go. No need to do anything with them, not a good time for long term planning, not a good time to “figure it all out”. There is pain, it hurts, and settles a little bit with each breath you give it.

    The other questions, such as “will I love again” or “job I hate” or “how could this happen” are best left for later, when the pain is settled. I’m sure you’ve seen it before, where someone is in pain and they thrash about, requiring help (orderlies, nurses, narcotics) to help them become still enough to approach the actual wound. Grief is the same… it pushes the mind to thrash and moan, and it is in the self nurturing, the gentleness and patience we intentionally give to ourselves that helps us open up and look at the experience with curiosity, which is the condition for receiving grace.

    Finally, don’t wait for the inspiration, do it anyway. Said differently, “I could self nurture now, but meh, I don’t feel like it.” Yes, perhaps not. Medication can often taste bitter, unwanted, but it is important nonetheless. Much like a patient of yours that says “I’ll take the medicine when I feel up to it” would perhaps seem immediately ironic. The mind and heart are the same, they don’t feel up to it, but we jump, find our way of hugging ourselves, waking ourselves, settling ourselves. If we wait until we feel inspired again, grief takes much longer… and often turns inward on itself, becoming lamentation. This can be compared to a wound that becomes gangrenous because vital nutrients don’t get to the cells. Self nurturing is the nourishment that grief needs to heal, and it is up to you and your tender care to see it through.

    Namaste, friend, may your tears be vibrant.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #49105
    Chicu
    Participant

    Namaste Liberty

    Thanks for sharing your feeling. I am sorry that you are suffering but this post is of great help to me. I am going though the exact same things as you have written and was thinking I am the only ‘chosen’ one to go through this pain. Other than your profession, it could have been me writing this post, word by word.

    In my present situation, I don’t know what I could say that will make you feel better other than that even in your suffering you are helping someone else. I am roaming around this forum, and reading the posts on this site and they are giving me a perspective. May be our pain will reduce with each passing day, but till then this suffering seems to be ‘rite of passage’

    May you feel a bit better
    take care
    Chicu

    #49106
    libertymojo
    Participant

    I would like to thank from the bottom of my heart those of you who did read my post and those of you who even took the time to give me their insights.

    I did read and re read and will read again and again your suggestions, your kind words and your wisdom. I was debating for so many weeks to write something I was just feeling weak, stupid and powerless but in few hours I learnt more about the human mind (my mind) than during my all medical training (very scary I know).

    Even if I do not know you, even if it is via the web your point of views and supports were very much needed. Maybe it is childish to admit but I am scared.

    I just want to clarify one specific point and I truly hope I did not offend anybody, When I wrote about my background I did not want to sound cocky because I am the opposite. I value and respect human life, I am not judgmental and like to learn from others. I just wanted to avoid the stupid cliche that my colleagues are giving me on a daily basis doctor= good catch. I am talking about a human being with a broken heart, I am talking about pure love but they have a difficult time to comprehend.

    It is comforting to meet altruistic people.

    Thanks again for taking the time to guide me.

    #49118
    Helen
    Participant

    Liberymojo,

    You never have to explain or apologize for being yourself 🙂 I am learning that as well.

    I know many medical doctors through my family (including my family) and can attest that they are some of the kindest, most thoughtful and caring people I know. It’s not your profession that defines you, it is your heart. And your heart seems pure and strong – you opened it up here and opened up to what others had to offer. That in Itself is what you can keep in mind.

    I wish you much comfort, peace and joy on your journey.

    With light and warmth,
    Helen

    #49122
    Matt
    Participant

    Libertymojo,

    I’m glad you found the courage to open up… often that fear of being judged is even heavier than the tangle itself. As for your apology/clarifications… you didn’t come across as egoic “Dr=good catch” as I read your words. Your humility and hope were clear shining. If anything, it seems as though you fall the other way, where you’re uncomfortable with just what a blessing you are to your community. Not just in your skill as a doc, but in your commitment to the health of others. Also, it would also be fine if you threw out whatever shame you feel for needing help, we all do from time to time… even the strongest of us.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #49126
    Sapnap3
    Participant

    Libertymojo,

    God when I read your post, I went back to me a couple of months ago. I cried everyday. I was sad everyday, every minute of the day. I was in a long distance relationship and both of us tried so hard to make it work. At the end, he abandoned me. I have big time abandonment issues so it triggered a reaction in me that i didn’t think I was capable of having. I was devastated. I lost weight. My work suffered and my some of my so called friends just stop hanging out with me because I was the “sad girl”. This went on for about 5 months but everyday the pain got a lighter. Very slowly though.

    I turned to this site very early into my breakup and I thank god for it everyday. Here, I found people to relate to. People to guide me and just someone to listen to me. You can see all the forums I started last summer. It was Matt (the guy who wrote above) who helped me the most. He gave me some advise that i still to this day follow. He told me to make room for my heart to feel this pain. He told me to nurture myself. He told me to take care of myself. He also told me to read a book on codependency which has helped me tremendously. He also told me to meditate. I followed everyone’s advise. I have to say that I did things the “right” way after this breakup. The pain of this one was so bad that i couldn’t bare to continue on my old path. I didn’t go out and drink. i didn’t find anyone to “replace” him.

    When I became friends with myself again, i realized that this breakup was the best thing that ever happened to me. You see in our failure is when we find the strength that we have. I whole heartedly believe that my ex was sent to me so that I can learn to be in love with myself. I believe that I deserve better. I can’t tell you that this path is easy. I can’t tell you that it is not painful but I can tell you that when you finally start loving yourself, you will be happier than you have ever been before.

    I met someone on solo trip aboard. We are not in a relationship but for 2 months, i have talked with this individual everyday and i will tell you that my every believe about how relationships should be have been shattered. What I am finding now is way better than my expectations. I have found my best friend. I have someone who cheers me on and reminds me everyday (if i ever forget) that i come first in my life. We laugh more than i have ever laughed in my life. He makes it so easy to be me. I am not sure if this man will be someone i will end up with but I know that he has changed my life and my view of love forever. Never again will i ever short change myself.

    I know that this will happen for you. the fact that you have reached out to this community lets me know that you are on your way. So please hang on one more day. Smile at least once a day even if its for 2 seconds. Please please be kind to yourself. Hug yourself when you are sad. Talk to yourself when there is no one to talk to. Within yourself you will find something that no one outside of you, not even you ex girlfriend or any girl for that matter, can give you. You can give yourself that unconditional love that no one outside of you can give.

    with my good wishes and love
    Someone who has been there….

    #49159
    sarah
    Participant

    I hope you dont mind me speaking , but i felt compelled to….I have no words of wisdom to impart i am afraid, i am new to this community too.. all i wanted to say was you did not come across as egotistic or any of them things… Your words held pain and a truth that you have said needed to be written to be seen.. I see a good heart and a soul in distress… i truly hope that you can find a way through this and that these lovely people on here can soothe your ills… Take care and try to be a bit easier on yourself..
    Sarah

    #49161
    libertymojo
    Participant

    Dear beautiful strangers,
    I am speechless after reading every posts that you composed.
    When I wrote my few lines yesterday I was not expecting any of this. I was trying to open up a little and maybe making sense of something that my rationale brain could neither explain nor understand. This emotional no man`s land is terrifying.
    Your words touched my heart and my soul.

    #49253
    bodhisatva
    Participant

    Dr Mojo !
    I feel compelled to reply.. its uncanny.. but I went through the exact same thing.. no kidding.. Doctor, dated for 3 yrs, long term for 2 yrs, took flights across the country, sometimes to spend hours, placed her on a pedestal, all set to get a ring, and then found out she d been unfaithful. Completely broken, pain, crying, crying some more, falling apart at work, talking to my floor Social worker and to colleagues and staff about being single (and more than my share of “doctor= good catch” )Now 4 months later, Its better. Won’t lie to you, its not completely healed and i still have my issues, but its a lot better.
    One thing I promise you is the impermanence of this situation, it will feel better in time. Take it easy on yourself, And I would follow Matt’s Rx (it works !!), self consideration, Gym Yoga and meditation. Everything else comes second right now.
    Another is, It ll make you a better physician, somehow this cracks open your heart ( which had , I admit, become hard from the YEARS of cynicism during training) and the patients relate to you more. Its happened with me for sure. And honestly it feels good to help people.
    One thing which sucks even till now is I had no social circle due to the traveling, and now am stuck. One thing I am consciously trying to do is make more single, non medical friends to expand my horizons, eventually may meet someone interesting, who knows. But now I float more, swim less and its worked well till now.
    I hope you take good care of yourself brother, and find a better job soon ( I am job hunting too, isn’t that weird 🙂
    B

    #49280
    libertymojo
    Participant

    Dr bodhisatva,
    Thank you very much for your kind words.I obviously knew that I was not the only one but it is comforting to read that you can find human beings with good heart out there.
    It is though and this journey is extremely uncomfortable to say the least. My emotional downs are very difficult to handle because I thought that I knew my body and soul pretty well but I suppose it was just a facade and I am a total ignorant.
    At this very moment I just try to survive and take the best care of my patients otherwise I have nothing to hang on to and I am literally drowning. I still can not mentally process the overall situation.
    I am glad that you are making steady progress and you have a positive spirit.
    Good luck on the job quest brother, make the right decision
    Be safe

    #49473
    Catherine
    Participant

    Dearest Liberty:

    I totally relate to your pain as I am going through it myself. You are not alone and not the first or last person to feel this terrible anguish. One of the things I’m finding is that people are sympathetic initially but eventually they don’t really want to hear about it any longer, it’s old news to them and they can’t understand why you just can’t suck it up, move on, or deal with it internally without boring them with yet another teary, whine session. Not everyone reacts that way but many do. I understand it, but when your pain is still so vivid you still need to talk and get those emotions out. That’s why forums like this can be helpful and I’m glad you found us. Many people here are, or have recently been, where you and I are right now — and I find it incredibly comforting. Much of the advice here is excellent, and I personally have found Matt’s posts to be very insightful and inspiring.

    Don’t ever feel weak because of your difficulty dealing with the pain (I understand that feeling as well). I work with med students and residents and every last one of them is human with their own struggles. This experience will make you a better person and better physician. When you start coming out the other side of this you will notice signs of the new level of understanding and empathy you have for others, notably your patients.

    I am struggling just as you are, and some days it’s hard to find he strength and keep the faith that it will get better. I know from dealing with this in the past that it does, indeed, get better so I’m holding onto that for dear life. My heart goes out to you and I send you healing energy. Employ every tactic recommended to you and never give up.

    Blessings,

    Catherine

    #49480
    libertymojo
    Participant

    Dear Catherine,
    Thank you very much for your support and kindness.
    I can fully relate to your experience with others. How can you feel/gauge someone else inner struggle? That is part of the reason why I searched some answers in this community.
    I try to follow the advices and I am still amazed that so many human beings are just ready to help a total stranger.
    To tell you the truth I have not found yet a way to stop the downward spiral. I have a hard time to mentally process my feelings and I cannot find the person that used to be strong, motivated always pushing his limits…
    However I would like to tell you that your suffering is touching my heart and even if my keyboard may not heal your pain I send you all my vital energy in order to free your mind at least for a little while.I virtually walk with you in this dark tunnel lets hope that we will find the light sooner or later.
    You are in my thoughts.
    Take very good care of yourself.
    Liberty

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