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  • #336694
    hiba
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    Hi everyone!
    my name’s Hiba I’m 20 years old and I currently live in France. I’m Moroccan and so Is my boyfriend and after graduating highschool i joined him here so I could be closer to him, but I also came here for my studies , France offers way more opportunities than Morocco.

    since coming to France august 2018 me and my boyfriend were inseparable. I have no family here so I was with him 24/7, became really dependent and had to rely on him on everything (papers, opening a bank account etc he helped me because he has already been through it all before me ), shortly after my arrival I started college and that’s where my anxiety resurfaced (I’ve always been an anxious person , and I grew up with an abusive dad and in a pretty toxic family ) , I was really anxious because I couldn’t make any friends , no matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t keep up with my studies everything was different even though I’m fluent in French it’s just different than how It was back in Morocco , I was missing my family a lot , but I was still thrilled to be with my boyfriend ( we were in a long distance rs for almost a year before joining him in France) . It felt like a dream, I was finally away from my abusive dad, I was with the love of my life and nothing could ruin it. Well it wasn’t exactly the case given what I said above ( not making friends , etc) so I started having pretty bad health anxiety ( I didn’t know what it was at the time) I thought I had breast cancer and would check my breast and google every single minute of the day, I went and saw multiple doctors before one of them convinced me I was okay, then I started obsessing about having cancer because I had swollen lymphs and could feel some lumps in my neck and it lasted about 7 months , during that time school was a nightmare I was bullied and I hated going there so I failed my 2nd semester. I then came back to Morocco and thought that all my worries would go away , because I’m back in my old room with my family, it will all solve itself, but I was so so wrong because my health anxiety still followed me there and I couldn’t even sleep at night for a month , and my dad was still very abusive to me and would hit me if I dared talking back at him , fast forward a month or so I was fed up with Morocco, I was still anxious and didn’t know If I was sick or not, my dad was making me want to kill myself so I decided I would come back to France, at least I’m with my boyfriend ( who’s been an absolute rock for me through all of this ) and I’m away from my dad and all their problems.

    i came back, still had trouble with school so I didn’t want to go , my grandma passed away and I became a total wreck , started wanting to be alone , drinking a loooot and overthinking everything , that’s when my doubts about my relationship started, I would overthink how my boyfriend would dance, how he would talk , how he would react when I would scream at him , why is he being nice to me ?, he’s too nice , Our sex life isn’t perfect,and I kept ( I still do) over analyzing every single thought I had until I got the what if I don’t love him thought and that was the start of my suffering , I was confused and scared and I had an anxiety attack right then and there, my boyfriend was right next to me as we live together so I turned to him and told him about my thoughts while crying and trembling and trying to breath, from then I kept overthinking everything, why did that thought make me so anxious? Why am I doubting my relationship after 2 years? I never did it means something’s wrong? Why did I scream at him many times in the past ? Am I abusive? Why can’t I tell if I love him or not? And a bunch of other thoughts and it’s driving me seriously crazy I feel so guilty so so guilty he’s helped me so much and I feel as though I’ve been taking him for granted all this time and now I’ve fallen out of love with him, but I don’t want to! I don’t want to keep being triggered I don’t want to feel this way and I certainly don’t want to leave him but I can’t find an answer to all the thoughts I keep having.

    im aware this is super long but I’d really appreciate any advice or insight please, but if there aren’t any replies at least I got to let it all ( mostly) out .

    and if you have any questions please go ahead and ask me because I definitely didn’t go into details even tho it’s already super long .

    thank you In advance

    #336940
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hiba:

    I will retell your story in the way that I understand it, quoting from your post: as a little girl, your abusive father who hit you from time to time scared the hell  out of you. You grew up scared, feeling unsafe with your toxic family (“I grew up with an abusive dad and in a pretty toxic family”). An intense fear was established and maintained in you for twenty years.

    You then moved to France, away from your father and the rest of your family, leaving them behind. “It felt like a dream, I was finally away from my abusive dad”. Problem is you were finally away from your father, but not from the fear that he instilled in you. You weren’t able to leave that fear behind. So the fear traveled with you.

    In France, you were not in danger of being hit by your father, but fear needs danger, so during your stay in France, fear it found danger in the following:

    1. Danger in not having friends (“I couldn’t make friends”).

    2. Danger in not keeping up with your studies (“I couldn’t keep up with my studies”).

    3. Danger in a new country (“everything was different.. than how it was back in Morocco”).

    4. Danger in (imagined) breast cancer, and cancer in the neck area.

    5. Danger in being bullied in school.

    6.Danger in failing your second semester.

    7. Danger in your grandmother passing away in Morocco.

    8. Danger in having a boyfriend who doesn’t dance or talk in an attractive way in this or that moment, danger in him being “too nice”.

    9. Danger in not loving him.

    10. Danger in being in the wrong relationship.

    Notice this: while in France, you missed your family (“I was missing my family a lot”), and when you were very fearful/ anxious in France, you decided to go back to Morocco “and thought that all my worries would go away, because I’m back in my old  room with family, it will all solve itself”.

    The reason you thought that your fear will solve itself if you go back to the place where the fear originated, is because as a child in your home, you were not afraid all of the time. Sometimes you experienced a nice dinner with a family that was calm and happy that very evening, or a whole holiday, maybe. And often, I imagine, you daydreamed in your old room, played with toys, feeling calm and happy.

    So when you found yourself anxious in France, you remembered not your father hitting you etc., but instead you remembered the good times, the calm when you daydreamed and/ or played in your old room, and the dinners with family during a holiday, or such.

    So you went back to Morocco, were reminded of  your father’s abuse (“my dad was still very abusive to me and would hit me if I dared talking back at him”, flew back to France and your fear found #7-10 dangers, in my list above.

    Let me know, hiba, if what I wrote here makes sense to you, and if you want, we can communicate further.

    anita

     

    #337008
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi hiba,

    You have to do an exorcism, if you will, of your family.

    You know you’ve “arrived” when you either:

    1. Don’t see your family again

    2. Don’t let your father abuse you again

    3. Your father doesn’t abuse you again

    I think you went to France and felt “off” because you weren’t done in Morocco. So you subconsciously brought yourself back there to close the abuse cycle. However, it continued. So you went back to France where everything is still “off”.

    I highly recommend taking a self defense class. I did, and when my own father grabbed me I extracted myself in less than a second while everyone in the family was in AWE. Told Dad, “Oh yeah, I’m in my second year of Krav Maga.” He must have looked it up because he never, ever, laid hands on me again. The whole paradigm of the family changed when I wouldn’t physically put up with his adult tantrums.

    Best,

    Inky

    #337096
    hiba
    Participant

    Thank you Anita it’s so beautifully said and I agree! Growing up I was always in a fight or flight mode I guess and that fear, that anxiety I got from it is still there, I know it I’ve always been anxious, and last year I remember my health anxiety feeling so so real but now almost a year later I realize ( partially) that it was all in my head that my anxiety had to hold onto something, but now I wish I was still struggling with it! I’ve been a wreck since the first time having doubts about my boyfriend, I don’t know what I should or shouldn’t do, my feelings aren’t there because I’m so so anxious I’m not letting myself feel anything; but I can’t help being triggered by every little thing he does, his face or actions sometimes (yes it has evolved) how I act and how I feel I’m always monitoring my feelings , other couples breaking up trigger me so much, videos and posts about « true love » make me want to die! And I don’t know what to do I’ve seen psychiatrists who didn’t give a damn about what I was telling them and I can’t help Google and ask people! I don’t want to lose my boyfriend he’s all I have but am I going to have to? What should I do ? How should I deal with this? It’s so hard and honestly I’ve never ever felt so low and depressed and just wanting to die and I don’t know where to seek help

    thank you so much Anita for your wisdom and insight , means so much to me ❤️

    #337098
    hiba
    Participant

    And @inky!
    It’s much more complicated than that! I can’t just stop seeing my family or my dad or talking to them even though he scarred me for life. He just doesn’t realize it and my mom tries to ignore my feelings whenever I talk about it since I was young and would take his side. « You shouldn’t have done that, why did you talk back, you knew he was gonna get mad so why did you say that? » etc etc

    i always felt guilty because I didn’t know why he hated me or what I was doing , for example I remember when I was 12 I loved the movie twilight and so I made a Facebook account just so I can post a picture of a character, but he wasn’t wearing a shirt in that pic, so when my dad saw that he called me a whore and hit me , I’ll never forget it.

    this happened many many times throughout my life and not so long ago I realized it was never my fault and would try to stop him whenever he tries to hit me now, I don’t just curl up into a ball and wait for it to end anymore! But still in Morocco it’s super socially acceptable for “the man of the house” to be abusive towards his wife and kids and it’s f**** up . Him being like that traumatized beyond measures.
    but now that I’m away from him I gotta deal with all the anxiety and trauma resurfacing and what is driving me crazy right now is what I think is relationship ocd and I’ve been struggling since December ☹️

    #337124
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Again!

    I reiterate that a self defense class would help tremendously. I can only speak for myself but:

    1. It helped with my anxiety

    2. It actually made any attempts of abuse stop and all it took was a couple basic moves.

    3. It keeps you in shape and brings you more into your body

    4. There is an aura around you once you can defend yourself that people pick up and no one will dare mess with you. The ones that do (the stupid and arrogant) quickly find themselves on the ground sliding across the floor.

    5. You gain confidence that if you can win against a fight against your dad, that university courses and interacting with other people will be easy.

    6. You will be changing the culture. It starts on a personal level. Eventually all daughters will walk in peace.

    I don’t want to proselytize, but it really did change my life in a profound energetic way.

    Inky

    #337140
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hiba:

    You are very welcome.

    It is interesting, hiba. My mother is Moroccan, born and raised there and I grew up in another country within a Moroccan family. They spoke French and my first language was French (no longer practiced, but still I understand some). Similar to your father (“he called me a whore and hit me”), my mother called me a whore time and time again,  using all kinds of other words too… she went out of her way to verbally shame me. She also hit me. I still feel the anger I had then, the anger I carried on all these years. As well as the anxiety.

    (Abuse is not limited to the Moroccan culture of course, there is plenty of it everywhere. And lots of Moroccan parents are loving and kind).

    In my first post to you I listed 10 situations that you perceived to be dangerous for you, 10 events that your fear attached itself to. Let’s look at them:

    * Each one of these situations: not making friends, to not keeping up with your studies, to being in a new country, being somewhat bullied in school, being in danger of failing your second semester (1,2,3,5,6) are unpleasant situations but not dangerous situations. None of these meant that your life was in danger. Each situations should have been attended to and corrected, but none was dangerous.

    * The situation of having breast cancer and another cancer did not happen, they were imagined (4), and your grandmother passing away in Morocco- an unavoidable situation as you know. We will all die. We should do our best to keep ourselves healthy, eat well, exercise, pay attention (be mindful) so to not injure ourselves accidently, and so on. But we can’t prevent getting sick sometime and eventually dying. Better aim at accepting this reality as calmly as possible, instead of fighting it.

    * The situations regarding your boyfriend: having a boyfriend who doesn’t dance or talk in an attractive way is not dangerous at all. Having a boyfriend who is “too nice” is definitely not a dangerous situation.(8). Having a boyfriend that you don’t love, as unpleasant as it may be, is not a dangerous situation (9), and being in a relationship where you don’t love the man is also not a dangerous situation.. especially when he is “too nice”! (10).

    It is very important for an anxious person to differentiate between unpleasant/ undesirable situations and dangerous situations.

    When you find yourself in a situation that causes you elevated anxiety, ask yourself: is this a dangerous situation, is my health and safety in immediate danger? If the answer is No, calm down best you can and next, think how to improve the situation.

    In your most recent post you wrote regarding your boyfriend: “my feelings aren’t there… I can’t help being triggered by every little thing he does, his face or actions… I’m always monitoring my feelings.. I can’t help Google and ask people!”

    First, it is not a good idea to join the many, many people who doubt that they love their boyfriends/ girlfriends, the big ROCD (Relationship OCD) crowd. I communicated with quite a few and it is so frustrating. Obsessed, they never get satisfied no matter how many times they google and post, day after day, month after month. There is no benefit in it, all it is- is a compulsion that repeats itself and is never satisfied.

    “What should I do? How should I deal with this?” Here is a better way to deal with it:

    -Understand the fear: “I don’t want to lose my boyfriend he’s all I have”- scary to be that dependent. If you don’t have him, you have no one in France and you will not be able to stay there. Here is the best solution I can think of: explain to him that your current fear is about your complete dependence on him. Ask him to help and support you outside a romantic/ sexual relationship with you. Explain to him that if you can see for yourself that he will continue to help you even though you are no longer his girlfriend, then this fear will probably relax.

    The ROCD issue will go away once you are no longer in a romantic/ sexual Relationship with him/ When no longer in a relationship with him, then you will be able to relax and get back to your senses (feel what you will feel about him). When that happens, you and him will figure out the next step.

    If and when you are ready, you can post what you plan to tell him (if you take my advice of course) and I will help you explain  clearly to him what is happening and what you need from him.

    anita

     

     

    #337252
    hiba
    Participant

    Hi Anita I appreciate your answer!
    The world is so small I didn’t think you’d guys even know where Morocco is ? ( it happened to me before)

    And to answer what you said, you’re right in saying that I got to learn to differentiate between the situations but that’s gonna take some work hahah. And I also think that sometimes I am aware that there is no dangerous situation but my anxiety is a coping mechanism I think, moving to another country, not making friends etc my mind didn’t know how to react, all of it was knew to me so I cope with anxiety , so it seems like I have control over what’s happening. That’s just my interpretation, I remember when I was thinking I had cancer, I would try and calm myself down, saying it wasn’t true and that I’ve already seen multiple doctors to prove it, but when my mind is in a fight or flight mode and I’m super anxious I get all these thoughts about how I’m really sick and I lose all common sense. It’s exactly what’s happening to me now about my relationship , I used to be so confident about it and I would just know; I’m normally the one that gives advice about relationships and all my friends come to me asking for it but since the thoughts started giving me anxiety and I started doubting everything , bam , the common sense is gone again.

    i appreciate your advice, but I don’t think I want to ask him that, I still want to be his girlfriend that’s the thing, I love him , even thought I doubt it every second of the day , and we live together and I like it, I just don’t know how it would be if I ask him to just be friends for the time being, I don’t want to , plus I think it would just running away from the anxiety.

    see I don’t know I don’t understand my thoughts and feelings either, but it’s not that easy, sometimes I have to google and I have to ask others I feel a big urge to do it otherwise the anxiety is too much to handle, I know it would seem frustrating to you but you just wouldn’t know if you don’t experience it and I hope you never will! And I’m not just “joining” the rOCD crowd it’s the only thing that makes sense to me, all the symptoms and everything about it, that’s what I’m experiencing I think, unless there’s another clear explanation I just don’t know ??‍♀️

    but I hope I get better with time , I’m trying to , thank you so much for your time and answers I appreciate it

     

    #337260
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear hiba:

    “my anxiety is a coping mechanism.. so it seems like I have  control over what’s happening”- I don’t understand what you mean: do you mean that anxiety is helping you somehow by giving you a sense of safety? As I know anxiety, it is the opposite of safety/ a sense of control and it never helps- it always harms.

    “when my mind is in a fight or flight mode and I’m super anxious.. I lose all common sense”- we don’t feel safe and in control when we have no common sense. People often make senseless, impulsive and harmful choices when super anxious.

    “I have to google and I have to ask others I feel a big urge to do it otherwise the anxiety is too much to handle.. you just wouldn’t know if you don’t experience it and I hope you never will!”- but I do know how it feels: I suffered from OCD (and was diagnosed with it) for decades, performing compulsions so to relieve  unbearable anxiety. It didn’t occur to me until I read the sentence you wrote, that I just quoted, that you may really suffer from OCD. Because the term ROCD is used by young people who were never diagnosed with OCD, and may not fit the diagnosis. But how you described it: “I have to.. a big urge to do it otherwise the anxiety is too much to handle”- does fit OCD perfectly (I am not a professional, by the way, so this is not a diagnosis!)

    I never experienced ROCD myself as a young woman because a relationship didn’t last long enough for me to doubt it. But I experienced lots of other compulsions. I no longer perform compulsions, so it is possible for this to happen. But a person’s anxiety has to lessen over time for it to happen.

    “I appreciate your advice, but I don’t think I want to ask him that, I still want to be his girlfriend.. I love him, even though I doubt it every second of the day.. I don’t want to”- and you don’t have to.

    Regarding my first paragraph in this post, maybe at this point of typing I do understand what you meant by your anxiety, specifically your fear that you don’t love your boyfriend, being a coping mechanism or helping you feel in control: the fear a child has when growing up with a violent/ scary parent is very intense. What happens next is the child shuts down emotionally best possible, so she doesn’t feel that terrible fear. But the intense fear doesn’t disappear, it is like a great lake of magma underground that rises to the surface as eruptions of small amounts of lava. The original fear, the fear in childhood, is like a great lake of hot magma underground, the Obsession (ex. I-don’t-love-my-boyfriend) is like a small part of that magma rising to the surface of the volcano, and the Compulsion (ex. googling) is like that small amount of magma (turned lava) erupting outside the surface, bringing about a relief.

    But of course, the great amount of magma is still there under the surface, and another relief is needed soon enough.

    You thanked me, and I respond: you are welcome. And please do post again anytime you want to. I will be glad to read from you again and reply further.

    anita

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