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June 7, 2024 at 2:31 pm #433594SadSoulParticipant
You put a big show on my face reading this. I have milk for my coffee. I had to google creamer 😂
I had the whole entire day off work that wasn’t a weekend day! Went and did my sport which involved a coffee along the way. Nothing scary happened so we are THE man 😂
That lawn. Hmmm. I have a fair bit of the good life planned for the weekend so I dunno.
I feel like I do all the talking in this www friendship! I’m looking at two very tall strong tree trunks amongst the thinner ones, admiring their beauty, grateful that my city life has some wild in it 🤎
June 7, 2024 at 2:32 pm #433595SadSoulParticipanta big *smile on my face
Far out you stupid phone 😂
PS I very much looked forward to reading you! Thank you!
June 7, 2024 at 7:43 pm #433599SadSoulParticipant… and just like that I’m in the depths of despair. I did something outside my comfort zone. My stomach feels sick, my heart hurts, my eyes are leaking. I feel so alone and unimportant. The people I want to be important to never wanted me. I haven’t felt this bad for a while. When does it end?
June 7, 2024 at 9:08 pm #433600anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
I am so sorry you feel in the depths of despair..!! I have to get up at 5:30 am tomorrow and be out and about, not being by the computer till sometime Sun or Mon. Sorry.. please be good to SadSoul!
anita
June 7, 2024 at 9:33 pm #433601anitaParticipantDear SadSoul: I am Sad that you are Sad. You did something outside of your comfort zone- maybe it’s a good thing that you did, and it’s just that you feel too.. uncomfortable/ shaken to realize it’s a good thing. Be back to you Sun or Mon.
anita
June 8, 2024 at 11:15 am #433607anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
I found the time to go to a computer (not at home) and will be able to check if you reply. Please tell me how you are feeling today/ tonight, and what brought about yesterday’s despair?
anita
June 8, 2024 at 3:40 pm #433609SadSoulParticipantThank you. You’re so kind taking time out for me while you’re off on your big adventures.
I did something different that I haven’t done in years. Most people would enjoy it but instead it highlighted how alone I am, how many people I love who I don’t have anymore, and how I don’t trust people anymore.
I don’t have any people in life who would notice if I died. No one would come looking for weeks. I’m not over dramatising that, it just is. It hurts so much that I have none of the people I loved with every fibre in my body, loved so much and made sure their needs and happiness were the most important thing.
After the pain in my chest lessened a little I reminded myself some of the people I’ve lost, that I loved and cared for more than myself, weren’t as big a loss as it sometimes seems. I reminded myself that healthy progeny meet partners and make friends and move away from their mothers, that it’s the right thing, and if I wasn’t so alone I wouldn’t miss their little selves that loved and needed me. I reminded myself that, other than the progeny, most of the people I’ve loved, loved themselves a lot more than me. I reminded myself that my progeny were my life, fed my soul, and now they’re grown I should find something else…
But it doesn’t change how I feel all that much. It doesn’t change that I’m alone and I have no one who’s got my back. I had my friend’s backs, but I learnt not to ask for anything because it hurt too much to be rejected. It frightened me. To face that I’m not valuable, it’s what I gave that they kept me around for, they didn’t want to give me the love and support I needed.
But none of it changes anything. I am alone. I explored fixing that but I’m very shy and I don’t trust people anymore. I’m too afraid of asking for help or understanding, or whatever, and being rejected. I’m afraid of me being who I am in the friendship and that I’m the problem, that somehow my fear creates in them a righteousness that subconsciously thinks they should take and I should give.
It hurts. A failed life ending in aloneness. Sorry I’m so down. The small little thing that would make it all so different is if my son hadn’t cut me totally out of his life. Then I remind myself that’s the straw that broke the camels back, only it was the most valuable straw. I skipped through life, knowing I loved him and he loved me, all it takes is a little bit of love. Then contemplating what went wrong, not knowing and believing I must have done something wrong, then the worthlessness and self doubt and every negative emotion has crept into me. All the fears and hurts a child has whose parents don’t care or want them. All the self doubt. Yeah. I’m not having a good day.
A good night’s sleep will hopefully help me tip things a bit more squarely. I didn’t realise just how much hurt I have still inside me or that a small action would trigger them so badly.
June 8, 2024 at 4:59 pm #433610anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
I’ve been out and about for almost 11 hours, worked hard labor for a few hours (not for pay), hours of activity otherwise, and now about to have my 3rd glass of wine, what a day! I read a couple of paragraphs, and unfocused, perspiring (hot here today), and will read and reply Sun morning (Sat afternoon here). What I did read is sad, hence Sad Soul. Just sad to read, but not sadder than how I felt so much of my life, back to you tomorrow.
anita
June 9, 2024 at 6:27 am #433613SadSoulParticipantThank you.
June 9, 2024 at 6:30 am #433614anitaParticipantYou are welcome, SadSoul. I am reading your yesterday’s post right now, and will reply shortly.
anita
June 9, 2024 at 8:37 am #433617anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
* I am adding this comment after completing this post: it’s a bit scary for me to submit it because I think that I went deeper in this reply than in past replies, and I a afraid that reading this will distress you.. and that you will get offended and angry at me. (I know you told me that you rarely get angry, yet.. well, you know, fear):
I am exhausted and my brain is operating very, very slowly. I read some of your earlier posts, as well as yesterday’s.
First, from Psychology today/ codependency: “Codependency is a dysfunctional relationship dynamic where one person assumes the role of ‘the giver,’ sacrificing their own needs and well-being for the sake of the other, ‘the taker.’ The bond in question doesn’t have to be romantic; it can occur just as easily between parent and child, friends, and family members”.
Second, your words (I am adding the boldface feature selectively to the quotes), followed by my thoughts:
“So much life lived… being everything for everyone, and feeling valuable because of that… so engrossed in giving everything I had, and thinking I was loved and appreciated in return”- I think that there used to be a feeling of safety in being the giver, that it felt like the safer/ the less risky option.
“I have always been sensitive to others’ opinions and moods and I fit myself into them, literally turn myself inside out to avoid any negativity or confrontation“- it was safer to .. empty yourself from you.
“I’m slowly letting go of my mother’s criticisms, one if which is that it’s sinful and selfish to ever buy food out”- from the danger- fear of being selfish to the relative safety-comfort in being self-sacrificing.
“Slowly, I started to see I was being taken advantage of, and not having what I gave returned in any way. Slowly people dumped me because I said no, I can’t do that. I have a big empty life now. All the people I loved disappeared and it hurt so much”- there’s a perfect fit between Giver and Taker. You messed up the perfection when you wanted to Take something for yourself: that something being the privilege of saying No.
“I’m too afraid of asking for help or understanding, or whatever, and being rejected. I’m afraid of me being who I am in the friendship and that I’m the problem, that somehow my fear creates in them a righteousness that subconsciously thinks they should take and I should give“-
– the core problem, as I see it now, is your thinking that you are the problem because when you do, the instinctive solution is to put the problem (yourself) away. Being a Giver/ Self-Sacrificing may be the only way for a self-perceived Problem to experience something similar/ parallel to being loved.
I figure that some of the people in your life have been indeed Selfish/ Takers, such as your ex-boyfriend about whom you shared, but not all. In regard to those who are not Selfish, such as your son (seems to me), the reasons he “left unexpectedly” (title of your thread) are a few, like we talked about. The only part of the problem that you own, seems to me, is you being a self-sacrificing Giver/ Codependent.
It is scary to change from Giver to .. Giver and Taker.
anita
June 9, 2024 at 3:24 pm #433625SadSoulParticipant😢💔
I am going to sit and read this again but I’m not angry, I’m hurting realising these things. It’s confronting reading descriptions that aren’t just me being upset I asked for help moving a wardrobe and got told no. Or I can’t cope today I’m in a bad way and got told I’m the problem – which I am but not in the mean way my mother means it, in the way that I don’t know how to ask for help to move the wardrobe and get help.
June 9, 2024 at 4:00 pm #433626SadSoulParticipantI haven’t got anything left to give. I don’t know how to be not me. I can’t forge friendships because I wouldn’t survive anymore losses. Being alone doesn’t fix that, it only means I’m alone with my hurt and loneliness. All I ever wanted was to be loved and I don’t trust myself anymore to be in a situation where I could be. I don’t mean romantic love, I mean good friendship, doing things together, like a meal. A meal that doesn’t involve the friend sitting outside, chain smoking and drinking wine, while I’m in the kitchen cooking up the delights. Alone. Eating and running. And again, I’m on the kitchen, alone, doing the dishes. Telling myself we had a nice evening and feeling ungrateful and horrible because the only nice thing for me was their pleasure in the nice food, the rest was just me alone creating that half an hour of pleasure for them. I’m scared of my choices in friends. How do I have a friend who’s there for more than the food? What am I supposed to say to make it work?
I’m sorry, this is probably confusing, it’s just everything in my heart spilling out.
June 9, 2024 at 7:31 pm #433627anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
“I asked for help moving a wardrobe and got told no“- I would have said YES!
“How do I have a friend who’s there for more than the food?“- I would be such a friend irl! As much as I love my favorite kinds of food (extra-cheese pizza, extra- and I mean ALL cheese, melted), I’d turn my back on the cheese and attend to SadSoul!
“Telling myself we had a nice evening and feeling ungrateful and horrible because the only nice thing for me was their pleasure in the nice food, the rest was just me alone creating that half an hour of pleasure for them”– pleasure is in getting to know SadSoul, the pleasure of knowing each other. I’d leave the food, and focus on you: tell me more about SadSoul, and let me tell you about me.
“I’m scared…”- I am scared too. I don’t know of anyone who is not scared. Do you know of any person, anywhere, who is not scared?
“I’m sorry, this is probably confusing, it’s just everything in my heart spilling out.“- SadSoul’s heart spilling out is welcomed here.
anita
June 9, 2024 at 10:57 pm #433628SadSoulParticipantI read this and all of the hurt started spilling out of my eyes and I had to stop. When I finish reading I think you will have given me something I’ve never had before. I will be back when I can read the rest but now I have to distract myself from how intensely emotional those few caring words I read are 🧡 I feel like a nut job but it’s too beautiful for words and it hurts so dam much and I just need to take a moment, you beautiful person 💙
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