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  • #433189
    anita
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    Dear SadSoul:

    I slept fairly sh*t too…my sporting fail used a few muscles I’m now having to live with“- Sleepy Sad Soul can’t sleep with.. Sore  Sporting Muscles..?

    I was thinking on how much the ripples of knowing you… Gigantic hugs and happiness for your evening!“- if I wasn’t as tired as I am now, the rippled smile on my face would be bigger (wait.. my eyes are smiling, strange?). I am sending you a dozen sunflowers and a sunny hug too. I hope we both sleep better next (I still have 5 hours before sleeping.. not good with naps).

    anita

    #433197
    SadSoul
    Participant

    I know people who sleep low crazy with their depression. I can’t sleep. I’ve been doing different things for a few years trying to get my stupid brain to sleep. Wish I was the type that went oni hibernation when things are bad!

    How good are eye smiles! And flowers. And chocolate. And crisp cool evenings wrapped up in warm things.

    I just read your other thread. That’s some big shifts you’re got through. It’s good reading that you’re finding a way to move away from her. You did nothing to deserve her, but the really sad thing is she did nothing to deserve you; literally she was given the best gift in the world, a baby girl, someone she did absolutely nothing to deserve, such a beautiful thing, and she was too mean and self centred to immerse herself in the wonderful thing that having a child is. I’m glad you’re loyalty to her has died. She didn’t deserve such a beautiful daughter who had her back every step of the way. Kids are so incredible how they love the unlovable parent, no matter what.

    #433208
    anita
    Participant

    Dear SadSoul:

    I can’t sleep“- do you have trouble falling asleep, staying asleep, or both? When you are awake at night, where does your brain go? I have trouble staying asleep and when I am up at night, I think. I prefer to think about happenings in the forums over real-life.

    How good are eye smiles! And flowers. And chocolate. And crisp cool evenings wrapped up in warm things“- poetic!

    I just read your other thread… no matter what.“- this is the one and only beautiful description about me and my mother that I ever read or heard (I read it first at 3:30 am, was awake then).

    Literally, she was given the best gift in the world, a baby girl, someone she did absolutely nothing to deserve, such a beautiful thing“- me.. a beautiful thing? No.. (my first response). Then a smile: REALLY, me.. beautiful? (2nd response). Then: taking a moment to let this sentiment linger, having the image of baby-me that I remember from an old photo, reaching out to her through decades back in time, seeing her as beautiful. Oh, baby anita, I say to her: you are beautiful! I didn’t know.

    and she was too mean and self centred to immerse herself in the wonderful thing that having a child is“- mean and self-centered is ugly, yes. I see it now. The Ugly was hers, not mine.

    I’m glad your loyalty to her has died. She didn’t deserve such a beautiful daughter who had her back every step of the way. Kids are so incredible how they love the unlovable parent, no matter what.“- So much of the ugliness that I did express over the years (during interactions with people other than her), was born to my loyalty to her, and maintained by my loyalty to her. I will share some about it in my thread in the next couple of days or so.

    Thank you, SadSoul. You express yourself genuinely, honestly, simply.. beautifully, a way that reaches me.

    anita

    #433228
    SadSoul
    Participant

    or both? When you are awake at night, where does your brain go?

    Both. My brain goes around in circles about things that I’m upset about, or worried about, and when it can’t think about things specifically it kind of goes on repeat thinking the same stupid thing round and round. Hard to explain!

    I have trouble staying asleep and when I am up at night, I think. I prefer to think about happenings in the forums over real-life.

    I wonder if the forums are your escape? Real life is so hard to carry, but here I feel I can practise living the way I want to without the background noise of life pulling me down? I find my thoughts are provoked on here, and because I’m not confronted with life I can think and adjust and yes it is good! Now I sound low I’m different in real life, and I’m not. But life has a way of pushing me off balance and it’s easy to go to default mode when I’m overwhelmed. Here it’s quiet and full of good words, I find myself thinking much more clearly, and then I can supply it (mostly 😂) in my days. Anyway, whatever it is for you, I think it’s good to have a place to take your mind to other (better) places.

    Then a smile: REALLY, me.. beautiful? (2nd response). Then: taking a moment to let this sentiment linger, having the image of baby-me that I remember from an old photo, reaching out to her through decades back in time, seeing her as beautiful. Oh, baby anita, I say to her: you are beautiful! I didn’t know.

    Sending you another dose of beautiful you. I’m not bullsh*tt*ng. Every single child is beautiful. Adults wreck it for them by not loving, nurturing, and guiding them. I’m still surprised at how you remained loyal to her till adulthood. Also a bit sad my son, not massively abused, couldn’t have a bit more of that. But he never had your reasons to. Oh Anita, I hope you carry the above with you for the rest of your life, that you were and are beautiful.

    I’m not surprised you acted protectively of her. I did the same growing up and even in adulthood. Firstly protective of my mother, even though I didn’t know her or even what she looked like, then protective of my father when I finally knew my mother and had her telling me every bad thing she could think of about him. I don’t think he was quite the person she made him out to be, but she got some of it right. Only no parent should badmouth the other parent to their child. They chose that person and the child is half that person. In affect the child is being belittled and destroyed by those words because those words are them.

    I think you did a really good job of standing up for your mother. I think you’d be a force of nature if you stood up for someone / something you are protecting today! Your mother was blessed to have you even if she never saw it. I think I’ll adopt young you – yes, I know this is impossible, but imagine it. Then you’d only have to focus on protecting important things like stray kittens and causes like the environment. I’d protect you from the big things like being hungry and bullies! And we’d have friends (yours and mine and ours) over for morning tea, and we’d spend hours making yummy cakes and triangle sandwiches for them and ourselves to enjoy, and we’d celebrate how happy it made them to have a place of honour in our home. We wouldn’t ever criticise them because they’re our friends. We wouldn’t have people in our home who weren’t friends either.

    Aaah the imagines 🌼

    #433233
    anita
    Participant

    Dear SadSoul:

    Both. My brain goes around in circles about things that I’m upset about, or worried about, and when it can’t think about things specifically it kind of goes on repeat thinking the same stupid thing round and round. Hard to explain!“- hard to explain even though you have a lot of time to explain, lying awake at night.. Insomniac Thinking (IT) is not a productive kind of thinking. Might as well, if we have to think awake at night, think about anything, something not as worrying, the lesser of the worries? Or think about someone else’s worries, someone you never met in-person?

    I wonder if the forums are your escape?“- it’s the way I escape to a place where I learn about real-life, and, as a result, I live my real-life better (I do). But more than that: this here, is real-life, only lacking the visual, auditory and tactile (can’t see your face, can’t hear your voice and accent, can’t feel your virtual hugs), but I can see your mind and heart and.. Soul, and you can see mine.

    Whatever it is for you, I think it’s good to have a place to take your mind to other (better) places“- for me, you are not a person limited to this website. I am okay with knowing you in real-life, although scared of the added irl dimensions, additional dimensions that may show me not at my best. It’s easier to type into the non-living, obedient screen than to talk to a living person.

    I’ll read and respond to the rest of your post tomorrow because now, I am under the influence of red wine after (AHHHHHHH!) two hours ago (AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH), for the first time, I saw a mountain lion (AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH) crossing the private road, right outside the driveway where I live, maybe 15-20 meters away from me (AHHHHHHHHHHH). Will I ever walk again..?

    Back to you in the morning.

    anita

    #433270
    anita
    Participant

    Dear SadSoul:

    Surprisingly, I had a relatively good night sleep, no mountain lion flashbacks.

    here I feel I can practise living the way I want to without the background noise of life pulling me down?“- yes, for me too, less background noise in my brain; more noise in real-life. (I suppose that the visual, auditory and tactile are stirring some excessive, negative noise for me).

    Here it’s quiet and full of good words, I find myself thinking much more clearly“- yes, this is my experience too, and I appreciate the good words coming from you.

    Sending you another dose of beautiful you… I’m still surprised at how you remained loyal to her till adulthood… Oh Anita, I hope you carry the above with you for the rest of your life, that you were and are beautiful“- thank you! (bird flying in light blue sky emoji).  Yes, I was loyal to her, and for the longest time, and I wasn’t aware of it. I wasn’t aware that I was trying to reach her, still trying to get her to appreciate me, to think well of me, to.. love me.

    Also a bit sad my son“- Sad Soul. Sad, a feeling that follows a loss. I understand.

    I’m not surprised you acted protectively of her. I did the same growing up and even in adulthood. Firstly protective of my mother…“- do we protect them so that they will protect us back.. from themselves? (Crazy).

    No parent should badmouth the other parent to their child. They chose that person and the child is half that person. In affect the child is being belittled and destroyed by those words because those words are them“- very well said. And my mother badmouthed everyone, including myself. When she was badmouthing other people (judging others for their imperfections), she was indirectly badmouthing me too because I knew that I was imperfect, often in the same ways others were imperfect.

    I think you did a really good job of standing up for your mother. I think you’d be a force of nature if you stood up for someone/ something you are protecting today!“- I am reading this part for the first time this morning, and it is very meaningful to me. I like the idea and thought of it myself before, repeatedly, never read or heard it coming from another person.. until you!

    I think I’ll adopt young you – yes, I know this is impossible, but imagine it. Then you’d only have to focus on protecting important things like stray kittens and causes like the environment. I’d protect you from the big things like being hungry and bullies! And we’d have friends (yours and mine and ours) over for morning tea, and we’d spend hours making yummy cakes and triangle sandwiches for them and ourselves to enjoy, and we’d celebrate how happy it made them to have a place of honour in our home. We wouldn’t ever criticise them because they’re our friends. We wouldn’t have people in our home who weren’t friends either. Aaah the imagines.”- this too I read for the first time just now.

    This is the most beautiful thing I have ever read.

    anita

    #433293
    SadSoul
    Participant

    I wonder if the forums are your escape?“- it’s the way I escape to a place where I learn about real-life, and, as a result, I live my real-life better (I do). But more than that: this here, is real-life, only lacking the visual, auditory and tactile (can’t see your face, can’t hear your voice and accent, can’t feel your virtual hugs), but I can see your mind and heart and.. Soul, and you can see mine.

    I like this. It made me smile. 

    Whatever it is for you, I think it’s good to have a place to take your mind to other (better) places“- for me, you are not a person limited to this website. I am okay with knowing you in real-life, although scared of the added irl dimensions, additional dimensions that may show me not at my best. It’s easier to type into the non-living, obedient screen than to talk to a living person.

    Don’t be afraid. I’m very boring, and never at my best, but always trying to be the best me I can be. I’m not judgemental and I don’t care about looks, money, or popularity – I’m very not popular. I just like honest people without hidden agendas and meanings. I like kind people. 

    I’ll read and respond to the rest of your post tomorrow because now, I am under the influence of red wine after (AHHHHHHH!) two hours ago (AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH), for the first time, I saw a mountain lion (AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH) crossing the private road, right outside the driveway where I live, maybe 15-20 meters away from me (AHHHHHHHHHHH). Will I ever walk again..?

    Oooh that’s terrifying. What type of sharp toothed tiger did you see on that other mystic adventure? You’re going to have to be careful of this wild world you live in. Are they coming close because the world is going back to nature around you or because they’re running out of their world?

    Surprisingly, I had a relatively good night sleep, no mountain lion flashbacks.

    Excellent!

    Here it’s quiet and full of good words, I find myself thinking much more clearly“- yes, this is my experience too, and I appreciate the good words coming from you.

    I am a weird combination of quiet and shy, but also talkative with those I know and trust. I like quietness. But I think perhaps I talk when I’m nervous too. Yup, three flavours in this milkshake 😂

    I accidentally deleted the next paragraph but if course you wanted her to love you, that’s part of the beauty of a child, and the beauty of being human, and love is what makes it all worth it.

    do we protect them so that they will protect us back.. from themselves? (Crazy).

    It’s human nature to love and protect. Human nature can be a whole lot of other horrible things too but if the majority of people were the horrible things we’d die out. Your mother is a member of the extinction group, she’s not a part of the continuation of the race, she’s a failure as a human organism.  

    I think I’ll adopt young you – yes, I know this is impossible, but imagine it. Then you’d only have to focus on protecting important things like stray kittens and causes like the environment. I’d protect you from the big things like being hungry and bullies! And we’d have friends (yours and mine and ours) over for morning tea, and we’d spend hours making yummy cakes and triangle sandwiches for them and ourselves to enjoy, and we’d celebrate how happy it made them to have a place of honour in our home. We wouldn’t ever criticise them because they’re our friends. We wouldn’t have people in our home who weren’t friends either. Aaah the imagines.”- this too I read for the first time just now.

    This is the most beautiful thing I have ever read.

    I hope somehow knowing that you matter helps. No one can give you the childhood you deserved but I hope it helps you heal knowing that in a different family you would have been cherished. I can’t go back and help you beautiful little self but I can tell you I would if I could. I’m glad we’ve blown into each other’s worlds 🍁

    It has been a long horrible week. Nothing anyone has done just things happening at work that have added to my workload in a horrible way. I generally don’t take work worries home but I’ve failed this week. I had hoped to get Friday off, but no, the cr*p keeps piling up. Oh well. I’m off to spend a moment with one of the offspring who’s had a rough time the last couple of days losing their beloved pet. I didn’t get to sleep last night as I was really sad the vet visit was happening today. The best things on this world don’t last long enough 😔

    Sorry to offload. I’m really sad just now. On a positive note, I think this sadness is an equal reaction to the events around it, rather than the sadness that I’ve had when I was going through a lot. So, I think it’s regular sadness. Hmmm.

    #433300
    anita
    Participant

    Dear SadSoul:

    I read your post first thing this morning, including your workload being huge, and your offspring losing her beloved pet. And you being really sad (4.5 hours ago). I don’t want to add a longer post to your busy, busy day, so I’ll write later. Thank you for your words and sentiment. I like you!

    anita

    #433324
    SadSoul
    Participant

    I like you too and very much look forward to reading your replies 🏵️

    #433332
    anita
    Participant

    Thank you, SadSoul for being you! I will reply next Fri morning (Thurs evening here).

    anita

    #433350
    anita
    Participant

    Dear SadSoul:

    Don’t be afraid. I’m very boring– I like boring, predictable people, I really do!  “and never at my best, but always trying to be the best me I can be“- humble, trustworthy and beautifully said!

    I’m not judgmental and I don’t care about looks, money, or popularity – I’m very not popular“- I love this. You are gifted when it comes to combining words/ writing (says I).

    I just like honest people without hidden agendas and meanings. I like kind people“- it’d be perfectly peaceful place, this world we live in, if every person was honest, without hidden agendas and meanings, and kind.

    Oooh that’s terrifying. What type of sharp toothed tiger did you see on that other mystic adventure? You’re going to have to be careful of this wild world you live in. Are they coming close because the world is going back to nature around you or because they’re running out of their world?“- their world is here. This is not a heavily populated area, and there’s a lot of berries, rodents, rabbits, deer.. . lots of food for coyotes, bears, bobcats, and mountain lions.

    I am a weird combination of quiet and shy, but also talkative with those I know and trust. I like quietness“- I could have written this about myself.

    It’s human nature to love and protect. Human nature can be a whole lot of other horrible things too but if the majority of people were the horrible things, we’d die out. Your mother is a member of the extinction group, she’s not a part of the continuation of the race, she’s a failure as a human organism“- she is part of the extinction group- not on the massive scales that Hitler, Stalin and others were; not on the massive scale that current antisocial politicians are, causing millions of people to unnecessarily suffer and die-  But in this one person anita, she is responsible for a massive amount of unnecessary suffering.

    Growing up I wanted to die, so that the suffering-within will end. But I didn’t want to.. bother her with the inconvenience… I felt too guilty. Replaying certain scenes in my life, it looks like a miracle that I did not accidently die, such as inattentively walking into a busy street, or driving too fast and almost crashing, repeatedly.

    Unfortunately, and very sadly, there are other people growing up with her who suffered then, and still do.

    Writing the above was difficult, to acknowledge the massive amount of unnecessary suffering one person can cause another person/ a few people in their lives, a few people who to one extent or another, in one context or another, hurt yet more people, making our world the place that it is.

    I hope somehow knowing that you matter helps. No one can give you the childhood you deserved but I hope it helps you heal knowing that in a different family you would have been cherished. I can’t go back and help you beautiful little self but I can tell you I would if I could. I’m glad we’ve blown into each other’s worlds“- I wrote earlier, in a previous post, that what you wrote back then was the most beautiful thing I ever read.. well, add this to the-most-beautiful category.

    I didn’t get to sleep last night… I’m really sad just now. On a positive note, I think this sadness is an equal reaction to the events around it… So, I think it’s regular sadness. Hmmm.“- I hope you slept better since, that your sadness is still of the regular kind.

    anita

    #433367
    SadSoul
    Participant

    I may have discovered an amazing and easier way of replying: the quote button 😂 let’s set if it works. Apart from it all being one blob with no line spacing it looks alright.

    Dear SadSoul: Don’t be afraid. I’m very boring– I like boring, predictable people, I really do! “and never at my best, but always trying to be the best me I can be“- humble, trustworthy and beautifully said! “I’m not judgmental and I don’t care about looks, money, or popularity – I’m very not popular“- I love this. You are gifted when it comes to combining words/ writing (says I). I just like honest people without hidden agendas and meanings. I like kind people“- it’d be perfectly peaceful place, this world we live in, if every person was honest, without hidden agendas and meanings, and kind.

    The area in my life I’ve always found difficult to be honest is when it’s going to hurt someone. Like if I accidentally double booked myself for something or was running late. I’d spend hours full of guilt wishing I could think of a reason that wouldn’t hurt them, and occasionally I lied, but I think the only person I hurt was me. I hated myself lying, even if it was a ‘white’ lie. I hated myself for letting them down in the first place. I hated myself for trying to ‘white’ lie. I’m this old now, and it’s taken this long to accept I just need to say, ‘I forgot, or, thank you for waiting for me,’ and it’ll be fine. 

    their world is here. This is not a heavily populated area, and there’s a lot of berries, rodents, rabbits, deer.. . lots of food for coyotes, bears, bobcats, and mountain lions.

    It sounds wonderful and terrifying! A bit like a goldie locks and the three bears kind of lovely. Forests and wildness with just enough warm cottages and porridge.

    It’s human nature to love and protect. Human nature can be a whole lot of other horrible things too but if the majority of people were the horrible things, we’d die out. Your mother is a member of the extinction group, she’s not a part of the continuation of the race, she’s a failure as a human organism“- she is part of the extinction group- not on the massive scales that Hitler, Stalin

    It simply is that people like her cannot further the human race. Extinction follows those who cannot raise successful organisms. It happens more slowly but it happens. Whether it be that the children choose not to reproduce, or their lives end because they are so broken, or their inability to care for their offspring… To successfully continue any species there has to be care taken in raising the offspring. In animals it presents itself more clearly, in humans we call it love and the actions that love should be. This isn’t important but I needed to say it. 

    I felt too guilty. Replaying certain scenes in my life, it looks like a miracle that I did not accidently die

    I’m very glad you didn’t! At times I’ve wanted to die but knowing what it would do to those who depended on me… You get the picture.

    Writing the above was difficult, to acknowledge the massive amount of unnecessary suffering one person can cause another person/ a few people in their lives, a few people who to one extent or another, in one context or another, hurt yet more people, making our world the place that it is.

    Maybe writing this can help the pain reduce in you? I hope so. For me, knowing someone understands and cares helps, you have given me this. Thank you for sharing such a deep thing with me.

    … most beautiful thing I ever read.. well, add this to the-most-beautiful category.

    I am especially blessed to be able to give you such a thing. I don’t know you well but I can very much see that you are a special person; a special person who for no fault of their own was given a very broken human for a mother –  literally the opposite of a mother who loves and cares, a mother who hated and broke those around her, a broken piece of rubbish – but against all odds here you are, special, kind, growing yourself into the person you should have been allowed to grow up to be. You’re much more than that actually, because you know first hand from your own life’s experiences.

    I hope you slept better since, that your sadness is still of the regular kind.

    This week has been very demanding, but it’s over now, and it’s a big step towards the work stuff being finished. Not done yet but in another month it should be. I have not managed to leave work at work. Oh well, onwards and upwards.

    I spent a bit of time with the offspring reminiscing about the life of the loved pet. That was beautiful. I got to know the offspring a little more – yeah that sounds weird but I did! You raise them and they’re kind of something you shaped, but they’re not independently what you taught them, then they’re adults and they take it and evolve it into themselves. They reject some of it which is fine too, it doesn’t work for them at that time in their life, or maybe it never will, but a lot of the time they go through something and then the penny drops and they have the tools. I see so much of how a raised them in how they live and think, and then they sometimes tell me they understand it now, and then my heart sings because they’re no longer carrying hurt or whatever towards me for giving them boundaries. And! They sometimes forgive me and show amazing understanding for my failings.

    I have been meandering through my reply for the last few hours, don’t a bit, coming back to it after interrupting myself with things I need to get done and probably time to digest what I’m writing too. You’re my invisible friend I’m pouring my heart out to. Thank you.

     

    #433370
    anita
    Participant

    Dear SadSoul:

    I had a tough night and slept very poorly, so I can’t focus and properly read or reply. I hope to feel better by tomorrow and get back to you then. I see your last line, referring to me as your invisible friend, you are welcome and thank you!

    anita

    #433373
    SadSoul
    Participant

    Thinking of you and sending nice thoughts. Here for you too

    #433376
    anita
    Participant

    Dear SadSoul:

    I’d spend hours full of guilt wishing I could think of a reason that wouldn’t hurt them, and occasionally I lied… I hated myself lying, even if it was a ‘white’ lie. I hated myself for letting them down in the first place. I hated myself for trying to ‘white’ lie. I’m this old now, and it’s taken this long to accept I just need to say, ‘I forgot..“- one feeling excessively, relentlessly guilty, one hates oneself, as in: I hurt you so badly, I am a BAD person, I hate this bad person (me)!

    I’m very glad you didn’t (die)!”- thank you!!!

    Maybe writing this can help the pain reduce in you? I hope so. For me, knowing someone understands and cares helps, you have given me this. Thank you for sharing such a deep thing with me”– yes, writing this helps ne, knowing someone (you) understands and cares.

    I am especially blessed to be able to give you such a thing. I don’t know you well but I can very much see that you are a special person; a special person who for no fault of their own was given a very broken human for a mother –  literally the opposite of a mother who loves and cares, a mother who hated and broke those around her, a broken piece of rubbish – but against all odds here you are, special, kind, growing yourself into the person you should have been allowed to grow up to be“- me, a special person, me- a special person. What a different life my life would have been if that was the message given to me from the beginning..!

    I spent a bit of time with the offspring reminiscing about the life of the loved pet… my heart sings because they’re no longer carrying hurt or whatever towards me for giving them boundaries. And! They sometimes forgive me and show amazing understanding for my failings”– ahh, A Mother, a real mother!

    I have been meandering through my reply for the last few hours, don’t a bit, coming back to it after interrupting myself with things I need to get done and probably time to digest what I’m writing too. You’re my invisible friend I’m pouring my heart out to. Thank you.“- invisible sad soul friend: I imagine (and I may be wrong, of course), I imagine that your hair is dirty blond (with grey), that you are about 1.70 meter tall, no to little make up, very light skin; wild sport: 2-person canoe riding, (by the way, there are wild coyote calls in the dark, as I am typing this), eyes: green, or very hazel brown.  About me: I am 1.65 meters, 50 kg, brown eyes with hazel, dark brown hair mostly grey, in ponytail, olive color skin,  always in jeans, size zero USA).

    Last night, I had an alcohol related injury: I cut my hand.. deeply, accidently (ooops), in front of people, blood gushing. Embarrassing!  More than 24 hours later, my hand is bandaged, I am typing this with a taped hand, doesn’t hurt anymore.. it’s strange how alarming it is to watch your blood exiting your body in a big flow.

    So, I didn’t sleep much Fri night, feeling guilty for messing up others’ experience with my blood gushing (unintended) exhibition. It is now Sat night, 10:08 pm.. late night. Good night, SadSoul!

    anita

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