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December 5, 2025 at 4:14 pm #452640
anitaParticipantDear James:
Thank you for your words and for reminding me that sometimes truth can be difficult to hear, even when it is meant for our good. I appreciate your willingness to help and to speak with sincerity.
Your metaphor about the bird and the bullet is powerfulâit reminds me that we cannot always resist what comes our way, but we can learn from it and grow stronger in how we respond.
Peace to you as well,
Anita
December 6, 2025 at 12:48 am #452653
AlessaParticipantHi James
You raise an interesting point. What is our dress? đ I will reflect on that some. đ©”
Immediately, I think pride for me. An unwillingness to not provide for my son to a high standard. Parents are forced into this reality all the time. Losing loved ones. Something else that people are forced into. Attachment. Aversion to suffering. Aversion to conflict. Aversion to being judged. Aversion to loneliness. Normal things. Human things.
I have a question. What if belief in a higher power and fate being in their hands doesnât provide complete comfort? Of course, it provides some. It is all godâs plan, but I donât understand it. Part of me still blames god a little for the imprint of suffering his plans have left on me. I suppose we all suffer, it is the human condition. I suffer less than others, that is a blessing. Why must we all suffer? To learn, to love? I donât know. đ©”
December 6, 2025 at 7:34 am #452657
James123ParticipantDear Alessa,
You actually never suffer, but with having expectations you create your own suffering,
The person loses a loved one and suffer because of that or a woman can’t have a baby and suffer because of that or having a illness or not being rich etc…
Have you ever think the cause of your suffering? If you do, you will realize that it is based on only expectations.
Therefore, suffering is based on images. Yet, if one deeply digested that appearances are different yet the essence is always same, never dies, never changes then expectations and suffering ends.
When Buddha said life is suffering, he actually did not mean as being alive, but being identity with body and mind, and dismissing the essence.
When one deeply knows that what he/she truly is, body stay as appearance yet so called soul is home.
December 6, 2025 at 9:08 am #452660
AlessaParticipantHi James
I appreciate your enthusiasm. Whilst in some cases that can be true, in others I disagree. đ©”
Some things happen that just cause massive amounts of suffering.
Some people suffer when they want a baby and canât have one, others donât. People suffer at different levels with health issues. Some people value wealth and some people donât. Eventually, once people get ill enough they suffer.
I donât think anyone is suggesting that people traumatised by war experience PTSD because of expectations. Some things are just horrific to experience.
I think itâs not so much expectations that bother me, trauma is what bothers me. I experienced a huge amount of suffering as a child. I canât protect my son from suffering. I can only try my best, but some things are out of my control. If I can make his life a little more gentle, a little softer, a little kinder. That is my job as a parent because things will happen that hurt at some point in his life. It is the way of the world. đ
Are people wrong to care about what they care about? Most people will never be enlightened in their lifetime. It is natural for them to feel the way that they do. I cannot say that someone is wrong for wishing they could have a baby. For grieving for their loved ones.
There are no answers for why the innocent experience immense suffering. đ©”
I think I might understand what you mean by spirit. đ©”
December 6, 2025 at 11:50 am #452669
James123ParticipantDear Alessa,
From your example of war, expectations is way deeper than anyone can imagine.
When there is no right or no wrong for you (personally) that’s when expectations end.
Everything is already what it is supposed to be. Therefore, when I talk to you, Anita, Thomas or many others, it is just talking in purest form, which is pure beauty. Yet, I don’t have any intention to change anything or be something, yet I just talk.
If you ask, why don’t be quite if everything is already supposed to be, it is because trying to not to talk or be silent or anything that force the body and mind belongs to control, action and effort. These are all play of the ego.
Therefore, one needs let the body go and body will speak when necessary or be quiet when necessary. You don’t play any role anymore.
And that’s the end of suffering.
December 6, 2025 at 4:20 pm #452680
AlessaParticipantHi James
A world where atrocities are not seen as right or wrong sounds pretty bleak. So it is just nature to commit atrocities? It seems kind of unhealthy. đ©”
You donât need to explain yourself. đ©”
And sometimes the body chooses to speak through ego. Apparently, it serves an essential function.
I wasnât going to ask. đ
December 6, 2025 at 11:34 pm #452687
James123ParticipantDear Alessa,
That’s when appreciation comes.
If I had even the slightest female illness, you wouldn’t have a child. If your ears didn’t hear, you wouldn’t hear the cries. If your eyes didn’t see, you wouldn’t see the pain. Be grateful for this, even when you see the pain, put your trust in God.
If there was no evil, there would be no meaning to goodness. You may be sad, but rebelling is belongs to ego.
What you have now is giving you as gift, including tears, emotions etc…
Be thankful and help who needs.
December 7, 2025 at 1:27 am #452689
AlessaParticipantHi James
Thank you for explaining. It helps to connect the senses, pain, gratitude and helping. Gratitude and helping are my language. đ©”
And yes, I have been worrying about the future with my child. He will start to make his own way in the world and I wonât be able to protect him. He will go through suffering. As a parent, this doesnât sit right with me. I am used to suffering. I would not want him to suffer. Maybe this comes from a deep seated wish to erase the suffering I experienced as a child. I donât want him to suffer as I did. I hope that he suffers much less. No child deserves suffering. đ©”
Thank you for helping! đ©”
December 7, 2025 at 1:31 am #452690
AlessaParticipantThere is a helpless feeling that comes with it, not being able to prevent suffering. But you are right, I can help afterwards. My spirit will know what to do in the moment. đ©”
December 7, 2025 at 11:35 am #452696
anitaParticipantHi Everyone:
I’d like to share my study this morning:
Nonâdual means ânot two.â In traditions like BUDDHISM and ADVAITA VEDANTA (I’d refer to it as AVE), both originated in India, reality is seen as one unified whole. The division between âmeâ and âthe world,â or âgoodâ and âbad,â is considered a mental construction.
From this view, pain itself may exist, but the suffering comes from the mindâs stories â expectations, judgments, and resistance. For example: You feel pain in your body. Thatâs real. But when the mind says, âThis shouldnât be happening, Iâll never be happy again,â thatâs where suffering multiplies.
The âegoâ here means the sense of a separate self that clings to desires and fears. If you let go of that clinging, the suffering dissolves, even if pain remains.
In nonâdual philosophy, everything that happens is seen as part of the whole. Judging events as ârightâ or âwrongâ is considered an ego activity â it divides reality into categories. Example: A storm destroys a village. From a human perspective, thatâs tragic. From a nonâdual perspective, itâs simply âwhat is.â The storm isnât morally wrong; itâs part of nature.
Some mystics extend this to say even atrocities are âjust what is.â This is where it becomes controversial, because it can sound like excusing harm. To someone living through trauma, saying âthere is no right or wrongâ can feel dismissive or dangerous.
Buddhism and AVE both talk about suffering and âright/wrong,â but they approach it differently:
* Buddhism- The Buddha taught that suffering (dukka) is real and comes from desire, craving, and attachment. Buddhism does not deny morality. In fact, it emphasizes ethical living through the Five Precepts and the Eightfold Path (right view, right speech, right action, etc.). The Key idea: Suffering can be reduced by living ethically, practicing mindfulness, and letting go of unhealthy desires. Buddhism says: âYes, suffering exists. Live ethically and mindfully to ease it.”
* AVE- it teaches that from the highest perspective/ from the ULTIMATE LEVEL, everything is Brahman- pure consciousness; the absolute reality. Good and bad are distinctions made by the mind, but in truth, all is one. Suffering comes from ignorance â believing we are separate individuals rather than part of one universal consciousness. From this perspective, distinctions like âgoodâ and âevil,â âcriminalâ and âvictim,â are part of mÄyÄ (illusion). They donât exist in the absolute sense because all is one.
AVE also recognizes the vyavahÄrika satya (âconventional truthâ), which is the everyday world we live in. In this realm, karma, dharma, and ethics still apply. People are held responsible for their actions, and justice matters.
Ćaáč kara (the key AVE philosopher) himself emphasized that while ultimate reality is nonâdual, in daily life one must follow ethical duties (dharma) and social responsibilities. AVE says: âSuffering seems to exist, but ultimately itâs illusion. Realize your true Self and it disappears.â It does not encourage ignoring or excusing atrocities. Instead, it says: “On the highest level, good and evil dissolve into oneness.” On the everyday level, ethical responsibility and justice remain essential.This twoâtiered view (ultimate vs. conventional truth) is similar to Buddhismâs distinction between absolute truth and relative truth. It distinguishes between two levels of truth: the ultimate (absolute) and the conventional (everyday). At the ultimate level, all distinctions dissolve into oneness, but at the conventional level, ethical duties and justice remain essential.
Think of Brahman as the ocean. Waves can be calm or violent, but the ocean itself is not âgoodâ or âevil.â It simply is. Human suffering and atrocities are like stormy waves â real at the surface, but ultimately part of the same ocean.
* In Christianity, God is wholly good and ethics matter always; moral responsibility is central. in AVE, Brahman is beyond good/evil categories. Ethics matter in daily life, but dissolve at ultimate level.
Mystics often say: Live by relative truth, realize ultimate truth.
A simple analogy- Think of a movie:
Relative truth: The story, characters, and drama are real while youâre watching.
Ultimate truth: Behind it all, itâs just light on a screen. (The Blank Canvas, Peter).In short: Relative truth is the world of appearances and ethics; ultimate truth is the deeper reality where dualities dissolve. Both are valid, but they operate at different levels.
AVE Advaita emphasizes vairÄgya (detachment). This doesnât mean indifference, but freedom from being emotionally tossed around by ups and downs. You can feel calm even in difficult situations.
In Buddhism, nonâduality (emptiness, ĆĆ«nyatÄ) means no one exists independently. This insight often leads to greater compassion: if all beings are interconnected, helping others feels natural. Nonâduality dissolves the feeling of isolation. Believers often describe feeling âat homeâ in the universe, connected to everything and everyone.
Emotional benefits: If you believe that your true self (Ätman in Advaita, or awareness in Buddhism) is beyond birth and death, then fear of loss, illness, or even death lessens. You see these as temporary appearances, not ultimate reality. Nonâduality teaches that clinging to âme vs. you,â âsuccess vs. failure,â or âgain vs. lossâ creates suffering. Realizing that all is one helps loosen these attachments, bringing emotional balance.
Believing in nonâduality doesnât erase pain, but it changes the emotional relationship to pain and joy. Instead of being trapped in fear, grief, or attachment, you cultivate calm, compassion, and a sense of unity.
End of study.
đ€ Anita
December 7, 2025 at 11:45 am #452697
anitaParticipantHi Alessa:
I hear your great love, compassion and concern for your son. Maybe, just maybe part of the study above can help..?
By the way, I love your blue heart emojis, thank you!!!
đ€ đ©” Anita
December 7, 2025 at 11:51 am #452698
James123ParticipantDear Alessa,
When you understand that you actually never did protect your child, your suffering will end.
Best Regards,
December 7, 2025 at 10:37 pm #452716
AlessaParticipantHi James
I’m sorry, I don’t understand. I’m very literal. Having saved my son’s life many times over at this point, tidying to prevent harm. Taking care to consider his feelings. Protecting him from conflict. đ©”
On a practical level, people make choices. These are things that must be done, so I do them. đ©”
December 8, 2025 at 12:36 am #452717
RobertaParticipantHi Alessa
The Tibetans revere their mothers. In texts the talk of being like a mother looking after their only child. Protective & loving to understand how much a mother goes thru & how we should be grateful for their tender loving care. This often does not sit well nowadays particularly in the west because of all the instances of neglect ( is it a symptom of the modern world? easy access to drugs & alcohol etc). The older I get the better I appreciate & understand my mother & try to mimic her kindness & generosity & when I notice my mind sounds like her negativity, I consciously pause, to do a reset to how I aspire to be. So even many years after her death she remains one of my precious teachers.
Best wishesDecember 8, 2025 at 7:32 am #452723
Thomas168ParticipantAlessa said, “And yes, I have been worrying about the future with my child. He will start to make his own way in the world and I wonât be able to protect him. He will go through suffering. As a parent, this doesnât sit right with me. I am used to suffering. I would not want him to suffer. Maybe this comes from a deep seated wish to erase the suffering I experienced as a child. I donât want him to suffer as I did. I hope that he suffers much less. No child deserves suffering. đ©””
Yes he will go thru suffering. But life isn’t just suffering. There is joy, hope, happiness, pleasure. Would you try to protect him from him from life? I understand the need and the feeling to want to help your child. And if the child had to suffer that you would gladly take on that suffering if it would help him. If something bad happened then you would blame yourself. I know what it means to have a child and to want to prevent their suffering. Life happens. And we can only just do the best we can with what we have. Life brings its own lessons to be learned whether it is thru happiness or suffering. You can only be there when he calls and help him when you see you can. And there will be times when … Sorry, lost track of what I was saying. I just had a Senior moment. Where was I ? Never mind. Maybe I should erase this? Ah fudge. Sorry.
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