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    Gavin
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    I hope someone can give advice on this or take from it what you will. If anything, I want someone to learn from my mistakes and make their lives better. Please be kind though.

    It took me 45 years to find her and one selfish, stupid, angry moment to lose her.

    I am 51 (M). I fully broke up with my girlfriend 50 (F) of 6 years, which happened nearly three months ago. I haven’t seen her in over four/five months now. She has “moved on” by all accounts and said “it’s over” in her last messages to me. I was, and still am, totally devastated. My behaviour towards her, while sometimes kind and loving, was generally appalling over the course of the relationship. I never lied or cheated on her, never took anything from her, I never went out with my friends and got drunk, etc. but I could be argumentative, selfish, cold, ignorant and could bolt off back to my own house at the slightest provocation, which caused us to often be ‘on/off.’ Recently I have come to realise that I have issues, but I will come to this later.

    The breakup was largely due to me ignoring her while she was going through a very tough time when her uncle passed away, which was obviously upsetting, plus the many other factors such as starting her new job, etc. On the day it happened I was helping her, and her family clear the uncle’s house and we got into a minor argument during the latter part of the weekend, which resulted in me storming off (I know, very childish and stupid), and then continued via messaging and ran over the course of the next few weeks. Then it escalated into something that I lost control over, and I ended up ignoring her while she was going through all this. She sent me messages pleading with me, and I ignored her. I knew in the back of my mind that I would live to regret my actions, but I was just on a completely different planet as if something had taken over me and I’d lost my senses, I’d lost all those memories we had together, I’d lost my sense of perspective, I’d lost my connection with her, and I was so angry. By the time I came to my senses and my conscience caught up with me, which was a long time afterwards (the ‘oh my God, what the hell have I done!!’ moment) I was horrified and disgusted with myself. The ignorance, stupidity, and selfishness I had displayed was shocking and at a time that she really needed me. I was a total asshole to her, not just the last time we saw each other, but there had been many other times previously, but this was the worst thing I had done to anyone in my life. She was the best thing that ever happened to me. She was my future and the love of my life. I was so dammed lucky to have met her and now it’s all lost due to me acting like a belligerent idiot. I am truly ashamed of myself. I took her for granted and viewed everything she offered me with suspicion and judgement, when I should have shown love, gratitude, and appreciation. At the age of 51 you would have thought I would know better, however, I guess age is no guarantee of doing the right things at the right times. I believe that I am also very immature when it comes to relationships. The hurt, pain, and sense of abandonment she must have felt by my actions would have been excruciating. I cannot express how very sorry and remorseful I am to her and her family.

    When it dawned on me as to how badly I had acted, I firstly went into total shock, then I have gradually sank into a deep depression, something which I have suffered with before, but this is far, far deeper. I have lost a lot of body weight, lost my appetite, throw up some mornings, I cry a lot, lost interest in any hobbies, in working out at the gym, lost interest in my job, lost interest in everything. Basically, I have been living like a zombie for the past 2-3 months. My weekends are totally empty and void from any fun. I have tried to hang out with friends, but socialising seems impossible. A huge dark cloud has appeared where my heart was. I constantly blame and berate myself for the breakup – I could have been a hero, instead I am a zero. My actions and behaviour, and previous behaviours, were totally unnecessary. Looking back, I do not even recognise myself or what I was doing during that time. I had no cause to put myself in this position, but it’s of my own doing and I am trying to change and absorb the pain. And there’s a lot of pain, guilt, suffering and self-hatred, but I cannot change the past or what I did. I am in a living hell.

    She had everything to offer me. She was beautiful, athletic, she was charming, intelligent, a wonderful family, she had a dog I adored, had a beautiful home, which she wanted me to move into but like a fool I didn’t act, even though I spent so much time there, She offered a bright future together and even had a place in Portugal where we spent many holidays. She was excellent in every single way. Her smile was to die for; I could not wish for more! And I lost it all – her, the life, all of it! She did have her faults and baggage (don’t we all) so I don’t wish to put her on a pedestal, but I loved her all the same. However, I have come to realise (all too late) that I have commitment and trust issues, and I can be self-destructive, which goes way back in my past and to possibly other previous relationships. I will be exploring more of this with the therapist. I also didn’t show her as much love as I should have and make her feel special. I was often cold with my emotions, again, because I have issues that I need to resolve. I do not expect to be over this anytime soon. I expect it to take a year at least and I don’t expect to be the same person I was when (and if) I do eventually overcome this. In part, that would seem like a good thing as there are certain personality traits I need to address. I didn’t think I had a problem; however, it’s become clear to me during this most horrible episode of my life that I do.

    During our last messages I tried to reconcile with her, but deep down I knew it was hopeless. She pretty much tore me to pieces and rightly so. She said there was no chance whatsoever of reconciliation and that we both needed “move on.” I had broken any sense of trust and showed that I had no empathy in my soul during that insane period of time when I had ignored her. Her last words to me were “Now let me live my life.” In that moment I threw up, I went into a daze, I cried, my whole world just shattered into a million pieces. My heart was, and still is, completely broken and my very ‘being’ crushed, but what did I expect. I am utterly disgusted and ashamed of myself, my family are ashamed of me, my friends don’t know what to say. I am seeing a therapist (still early days) and I am on medication for anxiety, depression, racing heart and sleeplessness. I have had many suicidal thoughts, but these seem to have faded in the past few weeks. Since the realisation hit me, I have woken every morning to face the horror of my reality – she’s not in my life anymore! I go through my day (every day) in a sad dream like state. I cannot focus for very long on anything. She is always there, and the memories are always hunting me. I am trying to get back to the gym (something I used to do almost every day), but that is also met with apathy, and I must force myself to go on the days when I feel well enough to. I hope my mental and physical health doesn’t deteriorate any further as I’ve got pretty bad. I am still in shock after all these months about what I did and why.

    If there’s anything anyone can take from this then it would be…

    • You should always try and look at every situation with calm clarity and perspective. It’s not easy sometimes, but you must. Look at the bigger picture and don’t just act on pure and raw emotion or think of the short term, as I did.
    • Think what’s at stake; what will life be like without this special person and what would you think if they found a new lover and you found out about it? I can tell you that it hurts. It really, really hurts. It’s a mind killer.
    • Be careful where you get your advice from on such matters – family don’t always have the best answers and can say anything from their perspectives and it’s not always the best advice.
    • If you think you’re following unhealthy behaviour patterns or traits, then go and see a therapist. It’s a small price to pay if you value your relationship, and to lose your partner because you didn’t is a sin. I wish I’d have done this years ago when I started to have troubles and I can guarantee I would not be in this situation now if I had.
    • Do not take anyone for granted. Always remember that if you do take someone for granted that you risk so much and could lose them. Savour every moment and always give your best.

    They say that pride come before a fall – this is so true. Well, I wasn’t humble enough to rescue my own relationship, didn’t show empathy and didn’t value my partner’s feelings, her points of view, took her for granted and left things too late. It has pretty much cost me the love of my life and my future with her – it has cost me everything! I still love and I miss her dearly, and I always will, but she is never coming back and I will never see her again. What a fool I have been. I do deserve this pain, even if it won’t bring her back and it serves no purpose, I deserve it. I messed her around for 6 years and dithered and dragged my feet, but she put up with it and gave me more chances than I ever warranted.

    Now I must pick up the pieces from the damage I have caused and try to rebuild what is left of my life, including my shattered mental and physical state. At my age (51) I do not expect to meet anyone soon (if at all) and I am barely functioning as a human being at the moment and time is running out. I also doubt I will meet anyone like her, which fills me with absolute dread. In fact, the thought of dating again makes me feel sick and I won’t be dating for some time. I have lost confidence in my judgements and my own self-worth. I have read about ‘loving yourself’ and all that, but to me you are never fully whole until you have that special person in your arms, sharing experiences and showing mutual love, respect and living life. Fin.

    #423482
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Gavin:

    ” I want someone to learn from my mistakes and make their lives better… * You should always try and look at every situation with calm clarity and perspective… Look at the bigger picture and don’t just act on pure and raw emotion or think of the short term, as I did.

    * Think what’s at stake * Be careful where you get your advice from*.. go and see a therapist..

    “* Do not take anyone for grantedSavour every moment and always give your best.”-

    – I copied and boldfaced parts of your advice and recommendations because it’s all very good advice, I believe, worthy of being repeated and boldfaced.

    Thank you for caring to share your difficult experience so to help other people learn from your mistakes, so that they may not end up with your pain and your regret.

    I hope someone can give advice on this or take from it what you will… Please be kind though“-  I hope that soon enough you will no longer suffer like you do.

    I want to understand better, so I ask/ check with you:

    -“I… could bolt off back to my own house at the slightest provocation“- I am guessing that growing up provoked, really provoked,  perhaps by a parent, you had nowhere to go. Fast forward, as an adult, when you felt provoked, you felt very provoked, and since you did have somewhere to go.. you went there. Am I guessing correctly?

    (In the following I will be adding the boldface feature, sometimes selectively, for emphasis purposes:)

    “We got into a minor argument during the latter part of the weekend, which resulted in me storming off (I know, very childish and stupid), and then continued via messaging and ran over the course of the next few weeks. Then it escalated into something that I lost control over… She sent me messages pleading with me, and I ignored her. I knew in the back of my mind that I would live to regret my actions, but I was just on a completely different planet as if something had taken over me“-

    – that something that took over you was your childhood experience invading your adult experience and taking over; the completely different planet = your childhood re-experienced in adulthood..?

    The minor argument with her awakened a major argument/ major conflict, and you reacted- not to the argument with her-  but to that other major conflict by storming off, etc., a reaction that would have been appropriate to the situation long ago (if you were able to storm out, etc., back then), but inappropriate/ an over-reaction to the real-life argument with her…?

    “She was the best thing that ever happened to me. She was my future and the love of my life. I was so dammed lucky to have met her”-

    she was the best thing that happened to you, but you were dammed unlucky to have had someone else from your past (childhood) in your life, someone who was..  the worst thing that happened to you

    Inaccurately projecting one’s difficult childhood experience into one’s adult experience is so very common.

    anita

    #423514
    Gavin
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you for your response to my story. It is a very painful thing to go through and I would not wish this suffering on anyone. It is the worst emotional pain I have ever experienced.

    I cannot explain my actions during those weeks (many weeks) when I neglected her. I am trying to come to terms with what I did and why. The therapist is helping me and also came to the same conclusions that I must have had serious trauma in childhood to cause me to act the way that I did and I seem to want to . Perhaps some hidden personality trait that is exposed when in certain situations.

    I think a lot of the points you make are valid about my childhood, which have shaped me as an adult. My childhood wasn’t a happy experience, with parents constantly fighting, doors being slammed and general unhappiness. I also struggled at school with socialising, even tough I tried. I have also been through serious trauma with a previous relationship and I didn’t learn the lessons I should have from that breakup and taken them into the next relationship. With that experience I concentrated on getting better and recovering when I should have also learned from it and carried it forward in my life.

    After so many months my pain, guilt and suffering do not seem to be abating. I have just learned/confirmed that my ex is now seeing someone and appears to be in love. I am happy for her, but I am totally devastated. The suffering goes on and on.

    #423521
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Gavin:

    You are welcome. I hope that this worst emotional pain will lessen and lessen over time.

    “I am trying to come to terms with what I did and why. The therapist is helping me and also came to the same conclusions that I must have had serious trauma in childhood to cause me to act the way that I did … I think a lot of the points you make are valid about my childhood, which have shaped me as an adult. My childhood wasn’t a happy experience, with parents constantly fighting, doors being slammed and general unhappiness”-

    –  We forget how we felt as young children. Young children feel very intensely and hurt (as well as the anger that often follows hurt and fear) feels raw and acute. Imagine that your current emotional pain is not “the worst emotional pain (you) have ever experienced“, that it hurt worse, when you were a child, seeing and hearing your parents fighting, slamming doors etc., day in and day out.

    It is the child, the boy that you were, whose intense anger hurt your ex- and yourself. But the boy was not a bad boy.. no, he was a good boy stuck in bad circumstances, such that hurt and scared him too much, more than he was able to endure.

    “… After so many months my pain, guilt and suffering do not seem to be abating. I have just learned/confirmed that my ex is now seeing someone and appears to be in love. I am happy for her, but I am totally devastated. The suffering goes on and on.”-

    – look in, see the boy that is still very much a part of you. He needs your empathetic attention; he needs to be seen and heard. He wasn’t heard in the midst of slamming doors and noise. Hear him now, let him tell you (or your therapist.. or here) what he didn’t yet get a chance to tell. And listen to him with care.

    It will make him/ you feel better, much better.

    anita

    #423580
    Gavin
    Participant

    Thank you Anita.

    I understand the connection to my childhood, but the truth is I was selfish and blind to the future and the possible ramifications of what I was doing, even though in the back of mind I knew it was wrong and could lose her – and I did. I am supposed to be a fairly bright and rational man, and I go do something like that to cause this amount of pain and suffering. I can only try and get well and move on and never, ever treat a woman (or anybody) like that again, especially one so wonderful and precious to me. But moving on will bring it’s own new difficulties because of this incident, but I will have to deal with that if I ever get in the position to do so. I miss her deeply but my stupidity and short sightedness of the future took her from me. Now she has a new life and I am in utter misery and will be for the foreseeable future. I knew I should have tried harder in the relationship and I knew I shouldn’t have taken her for granted, but curse my soul I did. It cuts deep that I didn’t do more and appreciate and love wholeheartedly what I had at the time. All too late now though. Apologies if I am rambling but I am in utter emotional agony with the confirmation that she has a new partner (I cannot believe I am typing this, and the tears are rolling). It hurts so much. It really hurts.

    G

    #423581
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Gavin:

    You are welcome.

    I am supposed to be a fairly bright and rational man“- we are animals after all, mammals, and therefore.. we are primarily- not rational beings- but emotional beings. When strong emotions are in the way, the rational factor goes down the tubes.

    This is why I suggested to you, in my last post, that you express your strong emotions with an attitude of empathy for yourself, so to lessen their intensity and control over your life.

    “I miss her deeply but my stupidity and short sightedness of the future took her from me”- it is very sad, Gavin, that stupidity and short sightedness of the future is the Rule in our very troubled world, as it is now, not the Exception, and the results are devastating on a mass scale.

    Now she has a new life and I am in utter misery and will be for the foreseeable future… It hurts so much. It really hurts”-

    – I am sorry that you are hurting, and that you are hurting so much. You feel no hope for the foreseeable future in context of a relationship with her, but if you discover new hope in a different context,  a new meaning, you will have a new life yourself, and you will feel better than you have in the longest time.

    anita

     

    #423635
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Gavin,

    I am sorry you’re in so much pain. I get that this was a rude awakening, and the sense of loss is huge. But please, don’t get stuck in self-blame, because after all, there are reasons why you behaved the way you did – even if those reasons are “irrational”.

    I understand the connection to my childhood, but the truth is I was selfish and blind to the future and the possible ramifications of what I was doing, even though in the back of mind I knew it was wrong and could lose her

    In this above sentence, you do acknowledge the causes of your irrational behavior (childhood trauma), but you gloss over them and continue to beat yourself up for what you’ve done. Please don’t gloss over it, don’t think it’s a small thing. Your childhood trauma, if unhealed, is totally capable of causing such irrational behavior.

    Please see yourself as a childhood trauma survivor, and see everything that happened in that light. And then, as anita said, have compassion for the little boy exposed to those negative experiences.

    The trauma that we suffer in childhood forms us as persons, it affects both our physical and mental health. And it can make us selfish and blind too. Some people never awaken to their selfishness and blindness, and they keep hurting people (you know the saying: hurt people hurt people). But you have awakened, even with a great sense of loss.

    Many of us like that: we need a kind of a shock “therapy” to awaken – we need a super painful experience to finally change our ways. But the most important is that you have awakened. You have realized that you’ve been wrong. However, please also realize and awaken to the fact that your trauma caused you to behave like that. Have those 2 realizations simultaneously.

    Don’t just focus on what you’ve done, which keeps you stuck in the loop of self-hatred and self-blame. Also, think of yourself as the survivor, victim if you will, of childhood emotional abuse. That’s the reason for your selfish and irrational behavior. Once you heal that trauma, you won’t behave the way you did.

    So find compassion for yourself – for the little boy who’s been hurt – and start your healing journey from there. We can only heal if we find compassion for ourselves. Everything else is just treading water, leading us nowhere.

     

    #423636
    Gavin
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Thank you for your input and comments. I am still trying to come to terms with what I did, why and what I have destroyed. Last week I found out that my ex is now seeing someone else and is in a new relationship. Part of me is happy for her, but it takes me to a place of sadness and utter despair, which is almost intolerable. I wasn’t making any real progress before I found this out, but now I feel like I am treading water and may never shake these horrid and dark feelings. The visions are stark and my mind wonders. I could say that I am paying for my sins of the past and I feel I do deserve this self torture. I cannot get out of this place of self-loathing and it is eating me alive. The thoughts I have are severe. I worry about the future. I now understand the connection with my past, which may have caused me to act in such a way, but that does not excuse my appalling behaviour and selfishness and doesn’t change the fact of losing her. The pain is stark and bitter. I feel like I could tear myself apart. Dreams are nightmares at the moment. I am trying my best each day. I go to work and I try my best but most of the time I sit here like a zombie and a shadow of my former self. I have lost my identity and my mind and body are at breaking point. Nothing works. She was my everything and I mistreated her so badly. I have therapy again tomorrow and I am hoping that a point of salvation is reached soon. I am trying to have compassion for myself as the little boy, but I cannot forgive myself for ruining everything and allowing this to happen – I am a 51 year old man who should have known better, kept his childish notions under control, and appreciated what he had when he had it, and not treat life as if there’s an infinite number of chances like I had with her. I won’t have a chance like that again and I won’t meet anyone like that her again. Sorry, but I have such rage with myself.

    I hurt her, but she has clearly got over it and moved on quickly, so the only person I really hurt in the end was myself. And that leads to me having no one else to blame or to hate but myself. If I manage to get through this then I have already decided to check myself and my actions and will visit the Therapist as I when needed (once a month minimum) but that’s a long way in the future and for now it’s weekly visits. I am also on medication and this may be increased at my next doctor’s visit.

    I know I am treading water, but I cannot escape my own conscience and I constantly question where my moral compass was when I had my moments of stupidity all those months ago. If I could apologise my heart out to her then that would be something, but that’s not possible and to her now I am nothing but a faded memory of indifference.

    I feel I am sick or my have BP disorder or even a deep routed evil part of me that is prone to self-sabotage.

    I have awaked, but it’s all too late for me.

    Sorry if I am rating a little, I am in a very dark place.

    #423637
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Gavin,

    I could say that I am paying for my sins of the past and I feel I do deserve this self torture. I cannot get out of this place of self-loathing and it is eating me alive. … I have such rage with myself.

    The feeling of self-loathing is familiar. I too hated myself when I was suffering from an eating disorder and was ruining my health with binges and purges. I knew it was destructive but I couldn’t stop. You too knew it wasn’t good how you were treating your girlfriend, but couldn’t help yourself.

    What I want to tell you is that our self-destructive tendencies were not because we are bad, immoral people (I constantly question where my moral compass was), but because we were hurt. Our crooked, self-destructive behavior, was, believe it or not – a defense mechanism.

    I was preoccupying myself with food, so I wouldn’t have to feel the pain of feeling unloved by my mother. It could be that you were running away from even the slightest argument, so you wouldn’t feel the pain of the constant conflict that you grew up in. We both needed an escape from the horrendous pain we were feeling.

    I hated myself for my eating disorder… but then many years later I’ve realized it was a way I was hoping to numb my pain. It was my defense mechanism. And I stopped hating myself. I started having compassion for the little girl, who was not loved by her mother, and in so much pain.

    I hope you can find the way not to hate yourself for trying to escape pain. You were trying to protect yourself, or to be more precise – to protect the little boy inside of you, who was traumatized by living almost in a “war zone”, in the constant state of conflict.

    And another thing: children usually blame themselves when their parents don’t show them love. So perhaps you blamed yourself for your parents’ constant fighting, just like I blamed myself for my mother not loving me?

    I would dare to say that your present self-loathing and self-blame are in fact the self-loathing and self-blame that you felt as a child, but perhaps were not aware of? But this breakup brought it up to the surface…

    I feel I am sick or my have BP disorder or even a deep routed evil part of me that is prone to self-sabotage.

    This “evil” part is our misguided way to try to protect ourselves from pain. As I said, mine was an addiction. Yours is perhaps running away from conflict and perhaps not being able to hear any criticism, because for you, being criticized meant being unloved?

     

    #423641
    Gavin
    Participant

    Hi Tee,

    Thank you for the words. I do appreciate the responses. The problem is that I cannot excuse myself and blaming my childhood seems like an excuse to me, or perhaps a way of passing the blame for my actions. I know that sounds harsh but it’s what resonates in my mind. I have tried now for two months and I just don’t seem any closer to a solution. The therapy has only been going for 4 weeks, so I hope this will help in some way. As for the meds, they don’t seem to be working at all but I am reviewing this with my medical practitioner next week.

    I am sorry to learn of your pain and I understand the connection. In my own case this may have been true, but I was so cruel to her and to not have that empathy is totally diabolical. I don’t mean to be cruel, I was just in a different world of complete ignorance and hated her for a time. As I say, as time passed I just lost her completely and I cannot stop going around in circles and cannot cope with the shame and guilt and now jealousy which consumes me every minute. I am just horrified at what I have lost and what I did.

    I have awakened, but it’s to a realisation that I am not a good person at all. I must and have to change. I cannot undo what I have done. I cannot win her back into my life – it’s too late for that. I have learned my lesson but it’s just too late and I do not know if I could meet someone or even be in a relationship again after what I have done. Then there’s all the other things to factor in with actually getting along with someone and finding that special person, as she was. This hurts also and drives me to revulsion over the actions I have taken and revulsion to be with someone else. But this is a long way in the future. I don’t know what the universe has planned for me, maybe an existence of loneliness for the rest of my life, which fills me with utter horror. From where I am standing now, she was my best chance and I destroyed it.

    Sorry for the rant. I am just so tired and frustrated and to learn what I learned last week really cut me to the core and hurt me very deeply, but it’s what I needed to know I guess. Then again I didn’t need to know that much. I still don’t think it hasn’t really registered and I am just taking the day one minute at a time.

     

    I do appreciate your time and the thought that goes into your responses though.

    #423645
    Gavin
    Participant

    Moreover… I think I am a person who sometimes doesn’t know his own mind or what’s good for him, dithers and pays the price as I have with this relationship. I am in bits over it. Months later I am still in pieces and I think I might not be right for months or even years, years which I don’t really have anymore.

    #423646
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Gavin:

    “I hurt her, but she has clearly got over it and moved on quickly, so the only person I really hurt in the end was myselfto her now I am nothing but a faded memory of indifference“-

    – if she has clearly got over it and quickly moved on, and to her you are nothing but a faded memory of indifference… if the only person you really hurt is yourself, then in your mind, you didn’t really hurt her, or you hurt her temporarily with no residual affect on her, not enough for her to even remember.

    Am I understanding correctly?

    anita

    #423652
    Tee
    Participant

    Hi Gavin,

    you’re welcome. I am sorry you’re going around in circles and that you feel you’re out of time (years which I don’t really have anymore) and that you blew it, for good. I know that in your current state of mind, it’s hard to be open to a different perspective.

    But I’m still going to tell you that at 51 you’re definitely not out of time for happiness and a new beginning. You may be late for a reconciliation with her, but you’re not late to fix your own life and your own mind (I think I am a person who sometimes doesn’t know his own mind or what’s good for him), and to figure out what is good for you and what you really want in life.

    The problem is that I cannot excuse myself and blaming my childhood seems like an excuse to me, or perhaps a way of passing the blame for my actions

    Barbara Heffernan, a therapist and coach whom I highly respect, once said: “Healing is a fact-finding, not a fault-finding mission“. We need to know what caused our deficiencies, so we can heal, so we can make up for what is missing. The goal is not to blame your parents and make excuses for yourself, but to know what needs fixing.

    We as children have some basic needs that need to be met in their proper time (like the need for safety, love, care, appreciation, validation). And if those are not met, some parts of our complex being remain not properly developed. Emotionally, we remain trapped in a child-like state of feeling selfish (every child is naturally selfish and self-centered), and unable to see the needs of others (I had no empathy in my soul during that insane period of time when I had ignored her). Children who were emotionally abused or neglected didn’t have a chance to learn empathy because they haven’t gotten any empathy themselves.

    You hate yourself for being so “diabolically” selfish, and I trust that you might have been very selfish with her. But if you were never shown empathy as a child, how could you give it to her? We cannot give what we don’t first get and internalize. In short, we cannot give what we haven’t received…

    I wonder if this speaks to you in any way? Have you felt a lack of empathy and understanding for yourself while growing up? I don’t want to pressure you into talking about it, but if you feel like exploring it some more, I’d be happy to.

     

    #423677
    Gavin
    Participant

    Hi Tee.

    I understand that my perspective is blinkered at the moment, but if you could see and know what I have lost, and the opportunities I had, then you might understand more. Things like this (meeting her) do not happen to me often, it was a miracle really to find that she was just as attracted to me as I was to her, and the connection was so strong. And yet, I did my best to destroy it. Throughout the relationship I was acting like a narcissist on occasions, which I have realised I am not because a true narcissist wouldn’t admit to doing anything wrong. However, I take responsibility for what I did and I deeply regret those actions and the things I said and the insensitive nature of the “final straw” moment, which I triggered and which caused me to lose her.

    If I can live with the self-hate, and hopefully this will lessen given time, then I know what I need to fix. However, it’s putting it into practice with someone I really care about. At the moment that person doesn’t exist in my world (well she does, but she’s moved on).

    I am very hard on myself most of the time. I want to achieve in all aspects of my life. I want to do the best that I can. However, sometimes I am lazy, self-centred and anti-social. I knew about these traits before, but did nothing to address them, address my mental health and address the problems I was causing in the relationship.

    I remember having the same traits all throughout my childhood and into adulthood, of wanting to achieve, be popular and be the best I can, be but never fulfilling the goals I set for myself or the standards of others, either due to lack of self belief or the other traits I have pointed out, or just not having the opportunities. I did become reasonably successful during the 2000s but the 2008 crash had me try to rebuild (as many people did) but I never got the previous levels of success I’d had before. I’d often beat myself up about things not going right and that I must achieve more. I suppose I have a lack of empathy for myself.

    Looking back, she was the miracle I needed in my life and I had everything I could have possibly ever wanted was with her, but I failed her and failed myself, failed to see the future with her, and caused issues and problems when there didn’t need to be any. I know you shouldn’t relay on any other person but yourself for happiness, but somehow I felt complete with her. But perhaps feeling complete makes some people (like me) uncomfortable, and we seek misery and self-destruction when we should be seeking love, understanding and affection and well as giving out those emotions.

    The world is a sad and confusing place for me at the moment, and I know I am not the only one and there are other people out there who have far worse problems than myself. I feel for them, but I don’t feel any empathy for myself at all. I think it’s a case of acceptance that she has moved on. Acceptance that I made some very bad judgements. Acceptance that I must live with what I did and what I have lost. Acceptance that I MUST change and recognise when my personality traits start to interfere with not only my life but the lives of others. I do not want to be the person who inflicts such terrible emotional pain and suffering to someone else ever again, even though meeting someone else is unlikely anyway as I do not have the social skills or confidence I used to have as I did over 6 years ago. Who knows, but I guess I must try at some point because my true love isn’t coming back, and if I were her I wouldn’t either.

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    Hi Gavin,

    thank you for telling me a little more about yourself.

    I understand that my perspective is blinkered at the moment, but if you could see and know what I have lost, and the opportunities I had, then you might understand more.

    I’d often beat myself up about things not going right and that I must achieve more. I suppose I have a lack of empathy for myself.  … I don’t feel any empathy for myself at all.

    She was the miracle I needed in my life and I had everything I could have possibly ever wanted was with her,

    Something just occurred to me, Gavin, and that is that perhaps she had empathy for you (which you didn’t have for yourself), she was patient with you, she tolerated your flaws and imperfections… Maybe she had all those qualities that you desperately needed but was missing in yourself. Perhaps that’s why you see her as the miracle in your life? Because she gave you what you always longed for (from your parents) but never received?

    I remember having the same traits all throughout my childhood and into adulthood, of wanting to achieve, be popular and be the best I can, be but never fulfilling the goals I set for myself or the standards of others,

    It seems you wanted to achieve and prove yourself (to your parents?). You also wanted to be popular, which might mean you wanted to be liked and appreciated by your peers. But you could never meet those standards (that your parents set?) and you never felt truly liked and appreciated. Do you resonate with this?

    Your story sounds like the story of someone who is really trying, but is never good enough for those whom he is trying to impress/get validation from. First and foremost, those would be your parents, and then perhaps your peers as well. This is just an assumption, of course, so please tell me if I am off track.

    It seems that she on the other hand was very much impressed by you and liked you a lot (she was just as attracted to me as I was to her, and the connection was so strong).

    It also seems she accepted you and tolerated your sometimes “appalling” behavior (My behaviour towards her, while sometimes kind and loving, was generally appalling over the course of the relationship.)

    You say you sometimes acted like a narcissist (i.e. like a self-centered child), and she perhaps was tolerating all that and perhaps even trying to console you and ease your stress? (unlike your parents who were fighting with each other constantly and not only didn’t ease your stress but have contributed to it).

    If my assumptions are correct, then she might have given you what your parents haven’t given you: empathy, understanding, acceptance, and also the sense that you are special. If so, that’s more than enough to consider her as your miracle… but also, a miracle that you can provide for yourself eventually, after some healing.

    I am going to stop here for now. Let me know how this sounds and if it resonates?

     

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