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November 4, 2021 at 10:37 am #388178
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GuestDear Banananananner:
“It’s like the moment I detect that I have even an iota of unhappiness within a job, from that point on I can no longer force myself to stay… I have pretty bad social anxiety… I was recently diagnosed with ADHD-PI“-
– reads to me that the problem is that you have a low tolerance to discomfort/ distress. So, while other people are able to tolerate and endure distress for a whole week, a month.. a year and even years, you are able to endure it for a much shorter time. When a person’s anxiety has been severe and prolonged, it weakens the nervous system leading it to overreacts to small amounts of discomfort and distress.
This is what happened to me. By the way, although I didn’t seek the diagnosis and was not diagnosed with Predominantly Inattentive Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder (ADHD-PI), I have no doubt that I fit the diagnosis since childhood and for most of my life.
anita
November 4, 2021 at 10:38 pm #388202Jupiter
ParticipantI don’t see laziness at all in your post. I see so many great qualities, insight, sensitivity, concern and intelligence.
I have struggled with the same thing you describe but on a lesser scale, and without the ADHD. But the pain from working is always there. I literally don’t understand how people can stay for years in the same job. I can make it about 1 year before hitting a wall, but I keep going for a while longer. Usually 3 years, then I quit, but in my profession people often stay for decades. One thing I really liked was temping, because I had much less emotional pressure knowing the job was not supposed to be permanent. I was able to handle the bad vibes more easily because I didn’t have that trapped feeling. Maybe you could write down exactly what is involved in your desire to run away. Is it about you feeling badly about yourself, like you are not doing things perfectly? Is it that you feel that the people around you are scary for some reason or another? Whatever it is, just do a stream of consciousness writing or thinking to get to the core. Put all the reasons together and see if there is a common thread. And then, maybe try to unpack that, and set up some small goals on facing those issues.
definitely worth talking with a counselor or career counselor also to see if they could assist.November 6, 2021 at 7:08 am #388245Tee
ParticipantDear Bananananananer (this was hard to replicate 🙂 )
reading your post, this part caught my attention:
I have pretty bad social anxiety, my family moved more than 50 times before I even turned 18 and I consequently attended several different schools a year,
This is a lot of moving, specially for a child! If you were uprooted so many times from your friends and the things and people you got attached to, it leaves a mark. Perhaps that’s why you can’t keep a job either, because subconsciously you just don’t want to get attached to anything, knowing that you’ll be leaving anyway? The pattern of leaving things and people and projects might be deeply embedded in your subconscious mind…
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November 6, 2021 at 9:24 am #388253Bananananananer
ParticipantAnita, thank you for the helpful reply!
Is there any way to overcome this? Do you believe therapy could help me learn how to build that endurance for stress up, or is that something I will never be able to achieve?
I never realized the nervous system could be altered in such a way, so thank you for that information.
I also never wanted to believe I could have ADHD. My sister has it, and it affects her in different ways than it affects me (she is much more hyperactive, while I am just mostly unable to concentrate). But I never truly thought about having it myself until I spoke with a psychiatrist recently who diagnosed me. I hadn’t received therapy, however, so I think I’m going to try that.
Again, thank you! I hope you and yours are all doing alright, and that you’ve been able to find ways to overcome the difficulties that come with ADHD (regardless of whether or not you’ve been formally diagnosed). 🙂
November 6, 2021 at 9:39 am #388254Anonymous
GuestDear Bananananananer:
You are very welcome. “Is there anyway to overcome this? Do you believe therapy could help me learn how to build that endurance for stress up, or is that something I will never be able to achieve?“-
– Yes, increasing your endurance to stress is something that you will be able to achieve, if you work on it. I achieved it myself. There is a concept in psychotherapy called emotional regulation: it is about learning how to lessen the intensity of distressing emotions (fear, anger, physical discomfort) and in so doing, endure (a lesser) stress better. It is done in a variety of ways, such as the practice of mindfulness, as well as using CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) techniques and exercises. To simplify, it’s about taking a pause, or a break, between the Intense emotion/ discomfort (in the workplace, let’s say), and the reaction to it (walking out/ quitting). During this pause, you lessen the intensity of the distress.
I worked on it a lot in my CBT+ Mindfulness psychotherapy experience as a client, 2011-13, and I will be glad to share more with you, including certain exercises and techniques, if you are interested. You can give me an example of a time you felt distress at work: what were the circumstances, what were your thoughts at the time, your emotions, your physical experience, and we’ll take it from there.
anita
November 6, 2021 at 9:40 am #388255Bananananananer
ParticipantTeaK, thank you for the reply!
I do realize that that is a lot of moving for a growing person, especially with moving to numerous schools and making and re-making new friends every time. I’m not exactly sure how it’s affected me, but I know it has. It had to have affected me, right?
After reading your and others’ replies, I am definitely going to be attending therapy. If moving around or having anxiety or anything else has made pursuing my goals that much more of a difficult task, then I believe I need to learn how to cope with it and grow, instead of simply sitting stagnant with self pity and frustration.
Thank you so much! Your reply has given me lots of insight and thinking to do. I hope you and yours are doing well! 🙂
November 6, 2021 at 9:48 am #388256Bananananananer
ParticipantJupiter, thank you so much for such an insightful reply!
I also liked temping, so I definitely understand! I never understood why I preferred to be a temp, without all the benefits and pay and security I would get with being hired-in, but after reading your reply, I understand.
And thank you for the suggestion, I will 100% do that. I’ve never been great at writing my thoughts down (I find it difficult to be honest with myself, I think), but I will give it my best and try to find all the reasons I may have quit my jobs.
I will be looking into therapy. 🙂
All that being said, I sincerely, genuinely hope you’re doing okay, and that you’ve been able to find work, or even a hobby, that you’re comfortable with, and I’m sorry you also have similar difficulties.
November 6, 2021 at 10:42 am #388258Anonymous
GuestDear Bananananananer:
I submitted a post for you right after your reply to me. After my reply you submitted two posts to other members. I am letting you know of the 2nd post I addressed to you in case you missed it.
anita
November 6, 2021 at 11:04 am #388260Bananananananer
ParticipantAnita, thank you and I apologize for missing your reply! I had actually missed that, so I appreciate the reminder. 🙂
I will most definitely look into CBT, as that sounds like something that I could benefit from!
For your last suggestion (and I greatly appreciate you putting the mental effort in to discuss this with me, so thank you so much), the most recent job I quit was a customer service job, working from home (thankfully, a lot of jobs are now going virtual, so there are more options than just industrial). You’d think that because it was work-from-home, it’d be easier for me to handle the stress, as I was in a more familiar environment (or at least, I thought that) – but no. The training, while it was 4 weeks, was not nearly sufficient enough to prepare me for the actual job and the multiple programs we had to cycle between to handle a call.
While I did find out that I can handle customers well (I surprised even myself by at least sounding professional and like I knew what I was doing), the stress of waiting for a ridiculously long time for an answer from a team leader when I had no idea what I was doing was too much. I wasn’t able to just sit there and wait. The only enjoyable part of the job was making some decent friends during training, the WAH aspect, and actually being told how much the customers really enjoyed interacting with me.
I realize that it was only my first few days and the job would definitely get easier, and part of me regrets just not even giving myself the chance, but even that amount of stress and frustration was too much… I think I just honestly was most upset about the fact that I just didn’t know how to do the job I’d been training 4 weeks for. Maybe that’s perfectionism or expecting too much of myself? I’m not sure. I just felt like I should have known more, but I didn’t. And it made me feel unintelligent and frustrated, so I left. Still trying to figure out if I regret that or not.
Is that what you were asking for? Hopefully that’s enough information. Again, thank you so much!
November 6, 2021 at 11:24 am #388261Anonymous
GuestDear Bananananananer:
I am glad you located my reply, but I will not be able to read your recent post and reply further before a couple of hours from now, and possibly not before tomorrow morning, which is in about 19 hours from now.
anita
November 6, 2021 at 1:27 pm #388262Anonymous
GuestDear Bananananananer;
You are welcome. “I think I just honestly was most upset about the fact that I just didn’t know how to do the job I’d been training 4 weeks for. Maybe that’s perfectionism or expecting too much of myself? I’m not sure. I just felt like I should have known more, but I didn’t. And it made me feel unintelligent and frustrated, so I left“-
– the thought/s that went through your mind at the time seem to have been something like: I should know more because I went trough the training, there is something wrong with my intelligent, I don’t seem to do anything right.
Is this, paraphrased, the thoughts that went through your mind at the time? If not, can you state your thought or thoughts more accurately?
Following stating your though/s more accurately, a CBT exercise would be to challenge each thought: to list evidence for the thought (supporting the thought to be true to reality) and evidence against the thought (supporting the thought to be not true to reality).. like in a court of law: evidence for and evidence against.
You are welcome to take it from here.
anita
November 6, 2021 at 1:30 pm #388263Bananananananer
ParticipantAnita, yes that is what was going through my mind. That I just wasn’t intelligent enough to handle the job I was presented.
I will be writing down my thoughts during that time, and listing the evidence for and against each thought. I will absolutely keep following up with CBT, and speaking to my therapist about it when I’m able to see them.
Thank you again, and I hope you have a great rest of your day. 🙂
November 6, 2021 at 1:33 pm #388264Anonymous
GuestYou are welcome, Bananananananer, and thank you for your appreciation and wishing me well!
anita
November 6, 2021 at 3:51 pm #388267Tee
ParticipantDear Bananananananer,
you are very welcome!
I do realize that that is a lot of moving for a growing person, especially with moving to numerous schools and making and re-making new friends every time. I’m not exactly sure how it’s affected me, but I know it has. It had to have affected me, right?
Yes, it most probably had an effect. We as children need a sense of security, stability, a sense of belonging. If you had to change schools several times per year, that can be really frustrating! I remember I didn’t want to move not even once during my elementary school, because I had good friends, my class mates, one of which I am still friends with to this day. It was a truly non-judgmental relationship, which meant so much for me and gave me a sense of strength, since my own mother was so judgmental. I haven’t even realized how much those early friendships meant to me until much later in life. If you didn’t have that, if you always needed to leave just as you started making friends, I can imagine it could affect you negatively because we thrive on healthy relationships, on strong bonds with people…
After reading your and others’ replies, I am definitely going to be attending therapy. If moving around or having anxiety or anything else has made pursuing my goals that much more of a difficult task, then I believe I need to learn how to cope with it and grow, instead of simply sitting stagnant with self pity and frustration.
Yes, it’s a very good decision to seek therapy and heal and manage those problems. Because it’s doable, you can heal and you can thrive. You don’t need to suffer till the rest of your life. So by all means, work on understanding yourself and what you were missing as a child, and how to repair it now… and if you have any questions or dilemmas, I’ll be happy to answer. I wish you luck!
December 1, 2022 at 8:57 pm #411082LemonTree
ParticipantHi Bananananananer
I thought I have replied to this post. Unfortunately I have responded to another person instead. Sorry about that. The two of you have shared similar experiences so I thought the answer that I posted on the other thread might be useful here.
Sorry about that, as I was extremely tired after writing the response. It was my first one, and it was a late night so I was really tired and confused. I really wanted to share the experience with you so hope it could be useful in some ways.
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Hi,
I am new to this forum and I was looking at some of the topics. I found yours from a while back and I am wondering how you are doing.
Hopefully things have worked out on your end. If not, and if you still want to chat about your experience we can do it here.
I saw some similarities between you and me in the sense that some of the jobs that I had in the past did not last long and I feel like I am such a disappointment.
However over time I have realized that people who share similar experiences are the ones that are often sensible (as opposed to “sensitive” to criticisms) and perhaps level headed, so we often find ourselves in situations where we have conflicts with the ones higher up. Also we are the ones that hold the truths and will stand our grounds, as it gives us inner peace.
But things don’t always work out and we find ourselves in unfortunate circumstances such as yours (e.g. even being “blacklisted”) and despite our best intentions we might be labelled as “antisocial”, “problematic” or “non-team players” trying to be the “backseat driver”.
Or “failing the job miserably” even though we see the values of our contributions.
For me I have found myself in a rut and I wasn’t making any progress despite my best efforts. That brought me back to a really dark place where I felt really depressed.
With the encouragement from my partner I knew that I had to break this cycle of shame and self-pity. I had to do better than that.
The first step I took was to recognize the fact that I didn’t fit into the organisations where I (or my parents or society) thought I would belong. I don’t need to be “higher up” to have self worth. I have learned the fact that the most outspoken ones on social media, and the ones with the most “successful” stories are not representative of all of our experiences.
The ones that don’t “fit in” would naturally “fit into” their own groups where they belong. This doesn’t normally happen on social media, for example, so if this is where you’re looking for support then you probably won’t meet the people of your kind. At least that is what I have learned.
You have to know where to find your people that will see your worth. Even if you don’t know where they are, by being yourself and trusting your gut, you are making huge steps that will lead you to the right direction.
It could be something as small as, for example, me walking around the neighbourhood to look for signs that someone is hiring, when everyone else is either on LinkedIn or sending their applications through the main recruitment sites which have failed me many times.
There are expectations for me to be there on par with the higher ups due to my academic background. However I choose to be simple and I want to work at a local store where I can make friends and be happy with my life. So I need to change my attitude, not only through the words that I use verbally and in writing, but through my mind.
By changing my mind I see where the opportunities are in places that I wasn’t even looking when I had too much going on in my mind. It turns out that the shop manager has been looking for someone for a long time but could not find anyone, probably because they do not have good marketing skills.
However I was the person that they’re looking for. It was a dream job for me, and I really wanted that. No one ever noticed that there was a small piece of paper on the shop window saying they’re hiring someone and the advert looked like scam.
Despite their horrible writing skills I thought there might be a chance so I tried and I got the job, something that I really liked. I am still not sure if I am going to quit.. hopefully not.
I guess you just need to focus on the good, and be honest with yourself about your situation. Look at the bigger picture – why is there a mismatch between what you see and what you think others would think of you?
What went wrong?
Have honest conversations with yourself and explain to yourself why that should or shouldn’t be the case. Don’t lie to yourself. Because if you cover it up with lies it will come back to you. You won’t like the job and that is one of the main consequences.
What is holding you back? What are the insecurities that you must face if you want to find something that you like and stay in the job?
I think you might have some answers for yourself. Sometimes it takes time to grow and learn about yourself as well.
I do not personally think that it has anything to do with ADHD as I do not agree that anyone should be defined, or limited, by any diagnosis that they have received at any point in their life which could well just be an opinion of an expert that is not approved by other experts that have other opinions
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