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October 10, 2025 at 4:06 pm #450790
James123
ParticipantDear Anita,
Yes. Seeing the magic in all things are perfect connection, reflection of Divine and purpose of Life.
Seeing the magic in all these things are already surrendering or bowing to God.
That’s exactly I tried to mention earlier.
October 10, 2025 at 6:10 pm #450791Thomas168
ParticipantWhen asked, “Is there a God?” the Buddha answered according to the need of the person. For one person his answer was “No, there is no God.” For another, the answer was “Yes, there is a God.”. And yet a third person asked, “What can you tell me about God?”. The Buddha closed his eyes and the person closed his. After a half hour of silence. The person got up, thanked the Buddha and left.
Ananda, after witnessing all three answers, asked what is the Truth. The Buddha said the first was a believer in God and if it was confirmed there is a God then his spiritual journey to liberation would have ended. The second was an atheist and if it was confirmed that there is no God then his spiritual journey to liberation would have ended. So, they were told what they needed to hear. The third person held no beliefs or preconceived ideas. So they spent the time together in meditation.
So, not so much as in surrendering to God as to be present and enjoy the moment. Take for example the story of the man who was chased by a tiger to the edge of a cliff. He jumps down to a branch and holds on. Then he looks below and sees another tiger looking up at him. The man now looks at the branch and sees a fruit. He grabs the fruit and eats it. And with that he smiles. Be present in the moment, Enjoy what you can.
October 10, 2025 at 7:18 pm #450795anita
ParticipantHello again, James:
Not very focused, but for now: if there’s magic in our connection, if there’s magic here, in this thread, let’s let it unfold. What is it that you need most? What is it that I need most?
Can we meet each other.. make little magic together..?
Nothing weird, something real?
Anita
October 11, 2025 at 9:56 am #450807Roberta
ParticipantThe first Noble Truth is that there is suffering.
The second is that there is a cause of suffering.
The third is that there is an end of suffering.
And the fourth is that there is a way leading to the end of suffering: The Eightfold Path
October 11, 2025 at 10:53 am #450813James123
ParticipantDear Thomas,
You asked “why am I suffering”.
And i answered you. That’s all.
Dear Anita,
İt is already. 😊
October 11, 2025 at 11:13 am #450814anita
ParticipantDear James: your post right above brought the first smile to my day 😊 ✨
Anytime you choose to post your thoughts, ideas.. feelings, your humor, I will be happy to read from you!
October 11, 2025 at 3:50 pm #450818Thomas168
Participant[quote quote=450813]Dear Thomas,
You asked “why am I suffering”.
And i answered you. That’s all.
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When I read that I asked “why am I suffering”, I went back to all the previous posts and looked for that. I did not find that. I did not ask why am I suffering. You put the answer out there without anyone asking. Is that not imposing your beliefs? You say spirituality is the death of the I. Where I believe that spirituality is the dropping of this thinking mind and to find the emptiness, stillness. We aren’t trying to rub a roof into a mirror. We are spiritual simply by being human. Some more than others given the choices that we have made.Sitting in meditation doesn’t turn one into a Buddha. We all have the truth of our nature within ourselves. Meditation allows one to become free of the thinking mind. To stop identifying with thoughts. Then when we embrace the emptiness, the stillness within us, we can experience the truth of our nature. The I doesn’t need to die to find the absolute. The Zen master described enlightenment best by saying, Before enlightenment, chop wood carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood carry water.
October 11, 2025 at 9:08 pm #450827James123
ParticipantBefore enlightenment chopping wood and carrying water does by you, and after does by body.
“So, if there is nothing there them why do I feel hurt??” Who ask this?
October 12, 2025 at 9:06 am #450835Thomas168
ParticipantWhy is spirituality the death of the I? You are not separate of the body. If you drink wine then you mind becomes clouded. So the death of the I is not spirituality. Spirituality is the complimented of the soul with that which is beyond the body. It is an addition to my house not a subtraction.
October 12, 2025 at 11:06 am #450843James123
ParticipantDear Thomas,
Please find the i or soul in the body.
October 13, 2025 at 5:16 am #450865Thomas168
ParticipantDear James123,
Please explain how something (I or soul) that is not found has a death?? If it does not exist then neither does your spirituality.
October 13, 2025 at 8:20 am #450876James123
ParticipantDear Thomas,
When you couldn’t find, actually it is not death, it is so called recognition of there is no birth nor death.
If you get into these, there is no such thing as birth, death, life, soul, exist or not existed.
It is all the mind game.
If there is a you, that’s suffering, and which is illusion.
There is no me nor my spirituality.
Being spiritual is the most funny thing that to be heard.
Good luck. Stay suffer.
October 13, 2025 at 11:45 am #450886Thomas168
ParticipantIt is all mind game
Is that your wish?
October 14, 2025 at 8:35 am #450899Peter
ParticipantHi Everyone
“When you realize that eternity is right here now, that it is within your possibility to experience the eternity of your own truth and being, then you grasp the following: That which you are was never born and will never die.” – Campbell
“If you think you’ve nailed down the self, you’ve missed the joke. The self is the dance, not the dancer.” – Watts
Both Campbell and Watts point to the same insight through different lenses. Campbell reminds us that eternity is not a distant realm or something that begins after death, it is a dimension of the present moment, a quality of being that reveals our essence as timeless: never truly born, never truly dying.
Watts, with his playful metaphysics, frames life as a cosmic game of hide-and-seek, where the universe forgets this truth in order to rediscover it through us. Forgetting means identifying with the separate self, bound by time and mortality; remembering is awakening to the dance, the realization that the self is not the dancer but the dance itself. In this way, both voices invite us to see that eternity, which is timeless and not a measurement, is here and now, and the game is not about escape but rediscovery.
For fun I thought I’d have Campbell and Watts join the dialog
Setting: A dimly lit circular room with mirrored walls. Four chairs face each other. A candle flickers at the center. The air hums with quiet tension and curiosity.
CHARACTERS:
Ariadne – poetic, intuitive, speaks in metaphors and fluid language
Theo – analytical, precise, favors definitions and logical clarity
Campbell – mythic, calm, speaks in archetypes and timeless truths
Watts – playful, irreverent, dances with paradox and cosmic humorAriadne: The self is a shimmer, a ripple in the stream. Try to grasp it, and it slips through your fingers. We are illusions dreaming of permanence.
Theo: Illusion implies something false. If we are to speak meaningfully, we must define what we mean by “self.” Is it consciousness? Memory? Identity?
Watts: Oh, definitions! Lovely toys. But don’t mistake the menu for the meal. The self is a role in the cosmic play. You’re not a noun, you’re a verb. You are the universe experiencing itself.
Theo: That’s poetic, but dangerously vague. If everything is everything, then nothing is anything. We need boundaries to think, to speak, to be.
Campbell: Boundaries are the bones of myth. But the truth lies beyond them. That which you are was never born and will never die. The hero’s journey begins with identity and ends in transcendence.
Ariadne: So, the game is to forget and then remember. To lose the self in the labyrinth and find it again in the center.
Watts: Exactly! And the punchline is there was never a labyrinth. Just the dance. Just the music. You took the game seriously, and that’s the joke.
Theo: So, all this… these realizations, these awakenings… they’re just… games?
Campbell: Yes. But sacred games. The myths we live by are not lies; they are metaphors pointing to truths too vast for logic.
Watts: And the best part? You don’t have to win. You just have to play.Together, Campbell and Watts whisper: “Eternity is not later. It’s now.” – “You are the universe pretending to be a person.” – let us hold these words lightly.
Living isn’t about slaying dragons or finding treasure. It’s about waking up to the fact that you were never separate from the treasure to begin with. That the game was always rigged in favor of joy, if only we stop trying to win and start playing.
Today, I wonder what if. What if I try to live as if I were never born and will never die. What if… I dance. I play. I remember.
October 14, 2025 at 10:02 am #450904Roberta
ParticipantSadhu sadhu sadhu is said by the teacher & the audience at the end of a beautiful dhamma talk thank you Peter
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