Freedom is not the goal. Experiencing the truth about ourselves is. Then wisdom and compassion arises from that experience. From receiving the wisdom and compassion, the freedom in our lives is allowed to flow from our presence. Joy and suffering is what life presents to us. It is how we manage this joy and suffering that is the freedom you seek.

So, what is your point? Give everything and receive nothing in return? Not many who actually do this. I do believe some parents do this. When food is desperately low, parents will often sacrifice their own health to keep their children fed. Or take the bitter fruit while giving the sweeter one to their child. And the parent will not even think it is a sacrifice.

So, the question why do you suffer after all these realizations? Because the realizations do not deeply touch upon the truth of one’s existence. The experience of the essential silence of the spirit and not just the mind allows for wisdom and compassion to arise. And with it, the ability to handle joy and suffering in a way that allows for freedom.

One doesn’t become free from suffering but rather understand it roots and thereby understand how to handle suffering in a manner that allows for choices. One will still feel pain and loss. One will still suffer from the illness that afflicts all people. One is not in constant bliss. Rather it is a life lived with insight and wisdom and compassion to handle life’s incidents and events.

I wish you well James123. May your beliefs bring you peace.

Hi Everyone

I guess being a parent has taught me that suffering is just a part of human nature. A child will just cry over the smallest things. Even a baby will do that. The back light of a tv is shining against a wall. Waaa! I’m not being held! Waaaa! I don’t want to potty waaaa! I don’t want to go in the pram! Waaa! Give me some of your hot dog even though I just ate my own! Waa!

We communicate and are social creatures. Feelings help us to do that. They drive us to communicate our needs. But not everything is going to happen that we wish. Disappointment. Oh well, time to move onto something else. Might as well go have some fun doing something else. Such is life. Ups and downs. It is difficult for people though who have been through extensive adverse experiences because their nervous systems get stuck on the base line level of trauma. Takes a lot of work and time to heal. 🩵

James said, “What I mean is, body still feels the pain, loss.
Yet, there is not a person in body to suffer.
I am just saying or advising this, if you really don’t want to suffer, give body and mind back to it’s owner.”

No matter what you do, you are still in your body. It is the vessel in which you travel. Wishing to give up ownership does nothing but provide for more hardship. It is only in the quiet that emanates thru out the universe that you will find the peace you preach to others. Thru that experience, it allows for conditions to arise where you will see the truth of your existence. From that, it will allow you to see the choices in front of you which gives you the freedom you speak of.

The wisdom is not in the books of men spoken about God. The love of God permeates the universe in the living being and not on dead paper. You can only burn the paper to feel any kind of warmth. The love and compassion comes from the living truth.

You can’t run away from yourself.

You as a believer in the Quran should know,

Googled, …
The Quran teaches that this life is a temporary test. Upon death, souls enter Barzakh, an intermediate realm of waiting in the grave, until the Day of Judgment. On that day, everyone is physically resurrected, held perfectly accountable for their deeds, and assigned to their eternal home.

That is your belief. Not mine.

For me, the Buddha says that those with a continuing Karma will go thru rebirth. So, maybe this is not the first and last life? Also, it isn’t the mind that keeps one a prisoner. The mind is a tool of the awareness that resides inside of you. It is the experience of the truth of your existence that frees one from suffering and Karma. It allows one the wisdom and compassion to live a life of choices which end the Karmic cycle of birth suffering and rebirth.

Personally, I would never tell someone to “suffer till die”. Those are your words. Better to say, lift yourself from your bonds that chain you to suffering. Do you see the difference? Oh, well, I wish you well and that you live a long and happy life.