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November 28, 2022 at 8:59 am #410897AnonymousGuest
* Dear Tee: I wish you full recovery from Covid sooner than later!
Dear Addy:
I read Tee’s most recent post (I read all her posts in all of the threads), and I very much agree with it, particularly with “it seems to me that you believe… that you need to fake it in relationships“. I felt that you were faking it with me, in the context of our online interactions, many times, and I often felt uncomfortable as a result. I will preface the following by saying that this is my personal experience with your writing; I am not saying that every person feels or would feel like I do:
You presented yourself as overly positive: two of many examples, Oct 2: “Dear Anita: I hope youāre having great Sunday morning (a smiley sun emoji)”-Ā a nice Sunday morning would be enough for me. Wishing me a GREAT morning feels exaggerated, and makes me wonder: do you have great weekends? Oct 22: “Dear Anita, Hope you’re having a happy weekend“- do you have happy weekends? Is Addy’s life happy and great, and he therefore wishes the same for me?
If (in another dimension) I was your age and I was your long-distance girlfriend, and this is how you opened your communications with me, I would feel inadequate for not having great and happy weekends myself, wondering:Ā what’s wrong with me for not having weekends as happy and as great as Addy’s?
While I am at it, examples: Oct 2: “Dear Anita. How was your weekend?“, Oct 29: “Dear Anita: How are you? Good Plans for the weekend?” – too close, too friendly, we are not that close. Feels Fake to me.
anita
November 28, 2022 at 7:24 pm #410919AnonymousGuestDear Addy:
A genuine sentiment on my part: my intent is not to criticize you for being fake for the sake of criticizing you, but to encourage you to be real, to be honest about how you really feel, and what you really think. Like the saying goes: To Thine Own Self Be True (Shakespeare). I have no agenda with you, nothing I want from you. And I definitely don’t want to argue with you. Take it or Leave it (it being what I wrote to you so far).
anita
November 28, 2022 at 11:33 pm #410924SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee and Dear Anita,
Tee Wrote*
If you believe that you cannot be honest with the other person, that you need to pretend to be perfect (perfectly happy and capable and optimistic and driven) ā then no wonder youāll feel trapped.
So it seems to me that you believe ā due to your childhood conditioning ā that you need to fake it in relationships, and you donāt want that. Youād rather be alone.
Anyway, thatās my best guessā¦
What do you think?
Ā Anita Wrote*
While I am at it, examples: Oct 2: āDear Anita. How was your weekend?ā, Oct 29: āDear Anita: How are you? Good Plans for the weekend?ā ā too close, too friendly, we are not that close. Feels Fake to me.I appreciate that. Maybe youāre right maybe youāre wrong I donāt know
But as of now Iām thinking like being fake like that takes an effort too. And I donāt think Iām that much effortful my relationships or with other peopleI prefer authenticity thatās what I know
Because When I broke up with my 1st gf (Not LDR) Just because she was trying to fit in with me. I knew sheās doing these things and showing sheās enjoying (More or less) Hiking and Walking for hours at the beach..etc but I knew sheād prefer more if itās indoor activities
And thatās what you can say not being authentic or faking?But what I agree with is this what you (Anita) told me before,
(2) your openings are very outgoing and very optimistic. Some people will like it, others will not feel anything in particular about it, and yet those of us who are significantly less outgoing and optimistic than you appear to be- will not like it. āI hope youāre having great Sunday morningā- is too optimistic for me: I am not in the habit of experiencingĀ greatĀ mornings, nor do I expect great mornings, or great days:Ā goodĀ isā¦Ā good enough for me.Ā When replying to a personās message/ communicating with a person, pay attention to their style and somewhat adjust your outgoingness and optimism to theirs.
So that could be my communication part.
If (in another dimension) I was your age and I was your long-distance girlfriend, and this is how you opened your communications with me, I would feel inadequate for not having great and happy weekends myself, wondering:Ā whatās wrong with me for not having weekends as happy and as great as Addyās?
Then my answer would No because in that case my opening communications would be lot different and even more on in your words āExtremely optimistic and outgoingā
Iām not sure how itās in USA but things like this in my culture These are very basic gestures here
Dear Anita. How was your weekend?
Dear Anita, Hope youāre having a happy weekend
Have you eaten?
Did you sleep well?
How was your journeyā¦etc
Ā
So again itās my communication part
I should know that all doesnāt come from same culture. And different people take this in different ways.
Addy
November 29, 2022 at 3:33 am #410935TeeParticipant(* Dear Anita, thank you a lot, I am feeling much better today. The fever is gone, and now it seems like a regular cold.)
Dear Addy,
But as of now Iām thinking like being fake like that takes an effort too. And I donāt think Iām that much effortful my relationships or with other people
I prefer authenticity thatās what I know
Because When I broke up with my 1st gf (Not LDR) Just because she was trying to fit in with me. I knew sheās doing these things and showing sheās enjoying (More or less) Hiking and Walking for hours at the beach..etc but I knew sheād prefer more if itās indoor activities. And thatās what you can say not being authentic or faking?Okay, so you’re saying that you broke up with your first girlfriend because she wasn’t being authentic with you and was faking that she likes the things you like, so that you would approve of her?
Let me ask you something: with your later two girlfriends, have you sometimes shared when you’re not in the best mood, or when you have doubts about yourself (such as what you’ve shared here on the forum: that you fear you’re not doing enough, not being successful enough, etc). Do you share those self-doubts with the person you’re involved with?
November 29, 2022 at 5:49 am #410940AnonymousGuestDear Addy:
I re-read our communication on this thread, and I realize that there is nothing I can add to it. I said it all and there is nothing more for me to say. You are welcome to re-read any or all of it yourself. I wish you well as I withdraw from this thread.
anita
November 29, 2022 at 9:35 am #410948SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
I’m glad you’re feeling better todayshe wasnāt being authentic with you and was faking that she likes the things you like, so that you would approve of her?
Maybe yeah I guess… and also I felt like she’s just doing too much for me, So I didn’t felt it right and I felt pressured and after that I started to question myself if I really love her.. So that’s whyLet me ask you something: with your later two girlfriends, have you sometimes shared when youāre not in the best mood, or when you have doubts about yourself (such as what youāve shared here on the forum: that you fear youāre not doing enough, not being successful enough, etc). Do you share those self-doubts with the person youāre involved with?
So yeah with my 1st girlfriend I wasn’t very vulnerable but with later two girlfriends yes.. but like after spending few months…
November 29, 2022 at 10:29 am #410953TeeParticipantDear Addy,
thank you for you empathy, I appreciate it.
Maybe yeah I guessā¦ and also I felt like sheās just doing too much for me, So I didnāt felt it right and I felt pressured and after that I started to question myself if I really love her.. So thatās why
So yeah with my 1st girlfriend I wasnāt very vulnerable
Right… so it seems to me that she felt inferior in your relationship, specially since you’ve never or rarely shared about your own weaknesses and vulnerability. So you were the “perfect guy”, and she probably felt inadequate. She was trying to impress you, was doing things that you liked and was probably afraid to tell you that she doesn’t really enjoy those activities that much.
You say you also felt pressured because she did too much for you. So you had an impression that she is trying too much, trying to be someone else, not being authentic. I guess her reason was that she was afraid of rejection, so she tried to mold herself into something she isn’t, so you wouldn’t reject her.
But you’ve noticed that she’s not really enjoying the activities that you enjoy, but is only pretending. You’ve noticed that she’s not honest with you, that she’s faking it, and not being authentic. And you didn’t like that about her. So you stopped being attracted to her, and eventually left her. Does this roughly describe what happened?
with later two girlfriends yes.. but like after spending few monthsā¦
So you were more vulnerable with your later two girlfriends. You did share some of your “imperfections” and self-doubts. And how did they respond to that?
You said that you start feeling trapped very soon after the initial elation about the girl. So when you shared those weaknesses or yours, being authentic, several months into the relationship – at that point did you already start feeling trapped in the relationship?
November 30, 2022 at 4:28 am #410988SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Rightā¦ so it seems to me that she felt inferior in your relationship, specially since youāve never or rarely shared about your own weaknesses and vulnerability……………………… And you didnāt like that about her. So you stopped being attracted to her, and eventually left her. Does this roughly describe what happened?
Yes actually you guessed it very well.
Ā You did share some of your āimperfectionsā and self-doubts. And how did they respond to that?
They both were supportive and trying show me the bright side. But even though I felt like I was being too much vulnerable with them and they’re kind of not that much open? But that may could be also because I told them about my complaining thing
You said that you start feeling trapped very soon after the initial elation about the girl. So when you shared those weaknesses or yours, being authentic, several months into the relationship ā at that point did you already start feeling trapped in the relationship?
Hmm I mean I feel trapped after there is good bond. I know good enough about her and she knows good enough about me and then there’s this commitment you know like okay you both love each other and now you’re couple and then this fear of commitment and fear if we’re really good for each other.. about the future.. It just comes and starts to eat up my mind from everywhere and it makes me feel stuck…
So because of this fear of commitment and etc I talked to my friends and they told to go for casual things.. And I’m still confused if that’s really for me or not because I need to feel connected as well but without too much attachment…
Finally just tired and I’m just more focused on workDecember 1, 2022 at 10:32 am #411061TeeParticipantDear Addy,
sorry for the late reply, I’ve had a setback with covid, and have started having sleep problems at night and headaches during the day š So I am not at my best, even though the respiratory symptoms are almost gone.
They both were supportive and trying show me the bright side. But even though I felt like I was being too much vulnerable with them and theyāre kind of not that much open? But that may could be also because I told them about my complaining thing
This seems like you’re afraid of showing too much vulnerability, i.e. “weakness”, and you’re also comparing themselves to them. Like, you don’t want to seem “weaker” or “lesser” than them,Ā even though they were supportive and not judgmental when you shared those self-doubts with them. So maybe there’s the fear of being seen as weak by your girlfriend, and also the fear of being seen as weaker than your girlfriend. Would you say that’s true?
So, weak is bad, but weaker than is even worse?
All that can be related to the way you were brought up, and your fear of showing vulnerability/weakness both in front of your mother and father.
As for the fear of commitment, it can very well be related to the fear of emotional intimacy/vulnerability, which boils down to the fear of being seen as not good enough, as lesser than, as inadequate. Like, you don’t want a committed relationship with someone who might down the line judge you for your imperfections? Or an even deeper fear: you don’t want a committed relationship, because it would sooner or later reveal all of your (perceived) imperfections and weaknesses to the person, and you couldn’t bear that?
So maybe, your fear of commitment is the fear of being “revealed” as imperfect, weak, not good enough?
So because of this fear of commitment and etc I talked to my friends and they told to go for casual things.. And Iām still confused if thatās really for me or not because I need to feel connected as well but without too much attachmentā¦
I wouldn’t recommend casual relationships because it’s never a solution and only causes more pain. Instead, my suggestion is to work through those fears (e.g the fear of being seen as not good enough – if that applies), and develop true self-esteem, free from the wounds of the past. And then start dating again, when you see yourself with new eyes…
December 2, 2022 at 2:43 am #411087TeeParticipantDear Addy,
my head is slightly clearer today, and so I’ve noticed an error. This is how the first sentence after your quote should have looked like:
This seems like youāre afraid of showing too much vulnerability, i.e. āweaknessā, and youāre also comparing yourself to them.
(not themselves to them – obviously š )
December 2, 2022 at 5:18 am #411093SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
Hope you’d able to have good rest and recover. When I have sleep problems, I try warm milk or just warm honey + turmeric waterThis seems like youāre afraid of showing too much vulnerability,Ā
I think Yes. and That’s why the shield because showing weakness meaning afraid of more attacks you know?
Also I was thinking like if I show me too much weakness how can I be the protective figure for them?So, weak is bad, but weaker than is even worse?
I guess so, Yeah
Or an even deeper fear: you donāt want a committed relationship, because it would sooner or later reveal all of your (perceived) imperfections and weaknesses to the person, and you couldnāt bear that?
Iām not worried about the imperfections thatās okay for me but I do worry about showing myself as a weak person. Because part of me doesnāt accept that Iām a weak person, The things Iāve been through the weaker person wouldnāt be able to pass that. I know Iām very resilient and strong about what I want.
I think Iām fear of committed relationship maybe because of fear of missing out. Part of my mind thinks that my freedom wouldnāt be the same. What if I meet someone better later on? Because now Iām doing remote work and able to change cities whenever I want so I just want to explore more. But If I go for the committed route, It feels like Iād just question my wanderer soul more because I do have what you can say āDo not settleā mindset.
On another hand If I do start the dating or relationship, I make sure fulfilling my responsibilities from my side. Giving proper attention, Communication, Planning and Spending time together.
So for another fear that what if I hurt the person? Like obviously If we spending good time together there would be connection and etc. and then I show up like sorry but Iām not ready for any commitment? You know what I mean?December 2, 2022 at 5:55 am #411096SereneWolfParticipantAnd another thing is that I’m trying to love myself but I’m doubting myself too. Maybe that’s all these questions and confusion is there?
December 2, 2022 at 6:35 am #411100TeeParticipantDear Addy,
thank you, I’ll try turmeric (just googled it, didn’t know about sleep-inducing properties of turmeric…)
I think Yes. and Thatās why the shield because showing weakness meaning afraid of more attacks you know?
I see… your assumption here is that when you show weakness, you’ll be attacked. Although you said that when you did share some of your weaknesses and vulnerability, both of your girlfriends showed understanding for it. They didn’t attack you, condemn you or ridicule you.
But the problem is that your father did attack you and condemn you harshly for not performing a certain way, be it handing him the proper tool perfectly, or finishing proper school (one that he deems good and respectable enough). If you failed at any of his expectations, I guess you were judged for being “weak” in his eyes. Whereas your mother condemned you for being weak if you couldn’t control your anger. You were supposed to be “strong enough” (or “wise enough”) to take your father’s abuse silently.
So both of your parents condemned you for showing some form of weakness – whatever each of them deemed as weakness.
And so due to your childhood/youth programming, you adopted a false belief that showing weakness means opening a hunting season on yourself. Allowing others to attack you. While that’s not true at all… but it is true in your worldview, based on your childhood experience.
Can you see now how our childhood experience shapes our worldview, i.e. the narrative we live and operate in? To you, showing weakness means being attacked. And this is probably what prevents you from emotional intimacy…
I do worry about showing myself as a weak person. Because part of me doesnāt accept that Iām a weak person, The things Iāve been through the weaker person wouldnāt be able to pass that. I know Iām very resilient and strong about what I want.
You’re not a weak person – your parents gave you that message. They’ve convinced you that you are. And a part of you (your inner child) believes them. Another part fights against it. That’s the Protector, who says “you can’t hurt me, I’ll never admit that you’ve hurt me.”
You are indeed very resilient (you’ve lived on your own since you were 16 or 17, right?)… but regardless of that, a part of you (your wounded inner child) feels weak. And the Protector part will do anything in his power not to show it to anyone. The Protector part will do everything to appear strong and cool. That’s the part that often uses sarcasm…
On another hand If I do start the dating or relationship, I make sure fulfilling my responsibilities from my side. Giving proper attention, Communication, Planning and Spending time together.
Seems like you really want to be prepared for a “project” called relationship. You want to plan everything, so you wouldn’t fail and none of your weaknesses gets revealed, right? You want to pass it with flying colors…. But the thing is that if you plan too much, perhaps spontaneity is lost? If it’s a project, and you’re the project manager… what’s the role of your girlfriend? The one who goes along and fulfills the plan set by you? I am being provocative here on purpose, but do think about it….
I do have what you can say āDo not settleā mindset.
Yes, I understand… but I don’t think your reason for not settling is the fear of missing out. Because you said you’ve never approach the girl first – it’s always them who approached you. This tells me you’re not a butterfly, wandering from flower to flower, afraid to miss out… You might have been fine alone, had those girls not initiated a relationship with you.
That’s why I think your fear of settling and commitment is caused by what we’ve discussed above: your fear of showing weakness, i.e. being seen as weak.
December 3, 2022 at 8:37 am #411135SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
How are you feeling today?IĀ seeā¦ your assumption here is that when you show weakness, youāll be attacked. Although you said that when you did share some of your weaknesses and vulnerability, both of your girlfriends showed understanding for it. They didnāt attack you, condemn you or ridicule you.
ā¦..Can you see now how our childhood experience shapes our worldview, i.e. the narrative we live and operate in? To you, showing weakness means being attacked. And this is probably what prevents you from emotional intimacyā¦I mean yeah, I understand that. But thatās why I said I need to develop the trust first. And I do have trust issues as well soā¦ Are you suggesting that I should be vulnerable and showing weakness with everyone? At this day and age?
Youāre not a weak person ā your parents gave you that message. Theyāve convinced you that you are. And a part of you (your inner child) believes them. Another part fights against it. Thatās the Protector, who says āyou canāt hurt me, Iāll never admit that youāve hurt me.ā
You are indeed very resilient (youāve lived on your own since you were 16 or 17, right?)ā¦ but regardless of that, a part of you (your wounded inner child) feels weak. And the Protector part will do anything in his power not to show it to anyone. The Protector part will do everything to appear strong and cool. Thatās the part that often uses sarcasmā¦
Hmm Right I agree with this. And as I said before itās the confusion and battle between these two things does tires me emotionally sometimes
Seems like you really want to be prepared for a āprojectā called relationship. You want to plan everything, so you wouldnāt fail and none of your weaknesses gets revealed, right? You want to pass it with flying colorsā¦. But the thing is that if you plan too much, perhaps spontaneity is lost? If itās a project, and youāre the project managerā¦ whatās the role of your girlfriend? The one who goes along and fulfills the plan set by you? I am being provocative here on purpose, but do think about itā¦.
Not quite. I mean planning as like go and visit things and just different activities from both side obviously.
And Iām actually a Product Manager so maybe thatās why Iām just more organizational.I do like the spontaneity… However about the weaknesses I may or may not be afraid of that thing. Because Iām sharply honestā¦ And another thing is that I think is weaknesses are just some things you havenāt learned yet and to be honest it can be fun too. So in my 1st relationship I didnāt knew how to drive that time.. So whenever we have to go out she used to drive and then later on she taught me too and It was really a fun experience. In 2nd relationship I learned that how much impatient I was with lot of things so I worked on that and I told her that as well. So I think itās more like learning from each other and have fun with that.
But for emotional weaknesses in particular I havenāt revealed too much I accept that.
Yes, I understandā¦ but I donāt think your reason for not settling is the fear of missing out. Because you said youāve never approach the girl first ā itās always them who approached you. This tells me youāre not a butterfly, wandering from flower to flower, afraid to miss outā¦ You might have been fine alone, had those girls not initiated a relationship with you.
Thatās why I think your fear of settling and commitment is caused by what weāve discussed above: your fear of showing weakness, i.e. being seen as weak.
When I said āDo not settleā mindset I meant more for like places because Iām just changing cities every few months. I need to explore lot of places and wonders of nature.
And Yeah Iād be fine without those girls, but the thing is that Iām grateful for that because all those girls taught me about myself (more or less) and also not to mention Iāve spent a quality time.
But yeah I do accept I fear being seen as weak.
December 4, 2022 at 6:43 am #411281TeeParticipantDear Addy,
thanks for asking, I am able to sleep again (a tremendous relief), so I am very happy! Now I am only experiencing a slight loss of taste and smell, but that’s not such a big deal and I hope it will get better with time.
thatās why I said I need to develop the trust first. And I do have trust issues as well soā¦ Are you suggesting that I should be vulnerable and showing weakness with everyone? At this day and age?
When we operate under a false premise that people are out there to attack us for showing weakness, then no amount of trust will be enough. You yourself said that both of your girlfriends were supportive where you expressed some self-doubt, and yet, you haven’t started trusted them suddenly, right? You were still afraid that maybe you shared too much and that they haven’t shared that much about their own weaknesses, which might put you in an unfavorable position.
You see? Their supportive reaction didn’t do anything to disperse that fear of yours and make you trust them more…
Are you suggesting that I should be vulnerable and showing weakness with everyone? At this day and age?
No, not at all. Not everyone is well intentioned and have our best interest in mind. You don’t need to show too much vulnerability in professional settings. Or with acquaintances and people you only know superficially. Or even with some family members, with whom you don’t feel safe.
But what we’re discussing here are romantic relationships. That’s a different ball game altogether. There you do need emotional intimacy, and in order to have emotional intimacy, you need to be honest and open, including about your own dilemmas, fears, what worries you etc. And you’d need to be open to listen to your partner if she has such worries herself, and empathize with her, without judgment.
Both of you would need to be free to be yourself in the relationship, i.e. to be authentic, without sugar-coating things, pretending, hiding parts of yourself, or walking on eggshells etc.
I do like the spontaneityā¦ Iām actually a Product Manager so maybe thatās why Iām just more organizational.
Okay, the fact that you like planning ahead isn’t a bad thing. We need a healthy balance of planning and spontaneity.
About the weaknesses I may or may not be afraid of that thing. Because Iām sharply honestā¦ And another thing is that I think is weaknesses are just some things you havenāt learned yet and to be honest it can be fun too. … But for emotional weaknesses in particular I havenāt revealed too much I accept that.
Right, so weakness as in “lack of skill” doesn’t bother you too much, because things can be learned. But it is the emotional “weakness” that is worrying to you, that’s what you’re afraid of. That would include feelings of hurt, anger, sadness, impatience, envy, jealousy and other negative feelings that you may have either towards yourself, your partner, or other people. I am not saying you have all those feelings, just that these emotions would be unacceptable for you to express to your partner, right?
For example, you said you’ve been trying to be patient with your current girlfriend… but I can imagine it was hard for you, and you might have been trying to hide your anger and impatience? You didn’t want to show it, but yet, you felt it?
When I said āDo not settleā mindset I meant more for like places because Iām just changing cities every few months. I need to explore lot of places and wonders of nature.
So you like your dynamic job, where you get to change cities every few months, and explore various places and nature in those areas? That in fact is not in contradiction with having a deep, intimate relationship. Because you’re not talking about getting married and having children any time soon (the latter would require to settle down in one place). You’re still in the phase of looking for a suitable partner, right? And perhaps a suitable partner for you would be someone who shares the wanderlust, who likes to travel and hike and enjoys similar activities like you do. What I am trying to say is that having a deep, intimate relationship is not in contradiction with e.g. your love for adventure.
However, fear of emotional intimacy is indeed in contradiction with having a deep, intimate relationship. Those two don’t go together.
Regarding the battle between your weak part, and your seemingly invincible part:
Itās the confusion and battle between these two things does tires me emotionally sometimes
I don’t even think it’s a battle, but I think it’s more that the “invincible” part (the Protector) is defending the “weak” part (the inner child). No one knows (but you) that you feel weak inside, or to be more precise, that emotionally you don’t feel strong because things bother you much more than you would like to admit, right?
Anyway, I think the solution is in rewriting some key scripts from your childhood, i.e. saying what needs to be said to your parents. Don’t worry, you don’t need to say it out loud to them, but you do need to – in your imagination – defend yourself from your father’s verbal abuse. You, the adult Addy, need to protect little Addy (your inner child) from your father’s abuse, telling him in no uncertain terms that you will not allow him to talk to little Addy like that and to back off.
Also, the adult Addy (in your imagination) needs to explain to his mother that taking abuse silently is not a virtue, and that you don’t want to allow your father to abuse little Addy any more. Tell her she might have meant well, but has caused you harm. Instead of putting some sense into her husband and demanding that he (an adult man) treats you differently, she expected her son to be the mature one. She allowed the abuse to happen, while maintaining the illusion of “peace” in the family.
The above is called finishing the unfinished business. The best would be to do it in therapy, with a skillful therapist. (Don’t do it to your parents’ faces). The idea is to express what you need to express, feel all your emotions (including anger and hurt) and by doing that, put an end to the “old script”. The old script is where you just endured and accepted abuse silently, made excuses for your father, and pretended that all is fine in front of your mother.
By finishing the unfinished business you open yourself up for a new script. And in the new script you’ll feel differently about yourself too – you won’t feel emotionally weak and you won’t need to pretend that you are strong. You’ll be strong and vulnerable at the same time.
What do you say?
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