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  • #219543
    Olivia
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    Hi, my name is Olivia and this is my first post. I hoped that someone could give me some perspective on something I’ve been trying to resolve for a year now.

    I’m a student in my early twenties who wants to become a psychotherapist. A year ago on a placement I met a supervisor who changed my life. Alex is everything I want to be. It’s like looking in a mirror at a male version of future self in 20 years who has worked out all her crap. We have really similar backgrounds, values and personalities, down to really weird quirks. We hit it off from day one, and it was like we could barely contain our excitement at the luck of being placed together. I’m an INFJ, and I’m pretty sure he is too. The feeling of knowing I’d spend a couple of months working with someone really cool in the field I want to be in, who understands me better than anyone I know because our lives so strangely parallel, was intoxicating.

    To put this story into context, at this point I’d recently broken up with a narcissistic long-term boyfriend. I’m socially anxious. It takes so much for me to open up to people, but I long to be understood and accepted for who I am. My parents are over-protective and inconsistent with poor boundaries. To compensate for a lack of emotional stability, I’ve sought substitute parental figures in friends and authority figures.

    With that in mind, when I met Alex a lot of confusing transferences hit me at once. I saw in him my ideal future self, my ex-boyfriend if he ever grew up and got over his crap, my father if he’d had the emotional capacity to really understand me and accept me as I am, and a figure of authority I wanted to bring down to my level and love me so I’d feel better about myself. He had ALL the qualities I find attractive and was everything I wanted to be. I couldn’t tell the line between real love and transference. (Although I hypothesise that all love is really transference.) A real relationship is out of the question, because I respect that he’s married with two young kids. But it didn’t stop me from fantasising.

    The attraction wasn’t exactly one sided either. I think he was flattered that a young woman was so interested in him, excited that I could really understand him and was enthusiastic about the work, and amused that we could have a whole conversation with a raised eyebrow and a smile. I think he also sees me as a younger version of himself, a substitute daughter he always wanted, and I think he likes the idea of having a dedicated protégée. I also think part of his guidance was really psychotherapy in disguise. I was an unstable emotional wreck. Alex represented all these things I desperately wanted. He is the cool, successful, highly functioning adult I wanted to be but had no role models to show me how.

    We were both aware of the appropriate professional and personal boundaries in our relationship. Yet in those couple of months, I tested those boundaries, and sometimes he would let his guard down and I would see more of his personal feelings. I felt conflicted about my emotional hunger for him, but I was so overcome with my strong attachment towards him that I basically attempted to subtly emotionally seduce him. Although he, in a position of authority with much stronger boundaries, would never abuse that power dynamic.

    He let me add him on facebook at the end of my placement. In the following months I would send the occasional message asking for advice and drop by to discuss “professional issues”. I was depressed with the loss of his daily support, and overjoyed when we talked. A friend told me to not contact him until I sorted out my feelings about him. And I didn’t for 6 months. (But still monitored his every move on facebook.)

    I recently emailed Alex to ask him to be a reference for me. We now communicate regularly again and I have seen him at a couple of professional events he invited me along to. I still have strong feelings towards him, but I’m more stable. In the past year I have come to terms with my feelings, accepting and understanding them. I’m still in love with him. I think that’s ok, as long as it doesn’t interfere with my life anymore and I am professional with appropriate boundaries.

    I want to know if anyone has their own perspective on this. Has anyone else experienced a similar life changing relationship? I want to get over all these complicated feelings I have and be really good friends with him in the future, when we can be colleagues and have a more equal relationship. I don’t want to rush the natural progression of that, but I’m interested in how people go about befriending someone who is much older, opposite gender and in a different stage of life whilst still respecting boundaries. How do I transmute the more awkwardly romantic side of my obsession into something more platonic and professional but still friendly?

    Thanks for reading my ridiculously long post.

    #219563
    Prash
    Participant

    Dear Olivia,

    I can offer some questions which may help in gaining some perspective.

    A real relationship as you said is not possible yet you think that it’s ok being still in love with him. Are you sure this is not interfering with your life? Is this coming in the way of a future real relationship with someone else that is more on the realm of possibility?

    Is a transmutation of romantic side possible when you are very much in love?

    As a bright future psychotherapist, what is the best advice that you would have given to someone else who would come to you with a similar situation?

    Regards

     

    #219567
    Prash
    Participant

    * Re-posted

    Dear Olivia,

    I can offer some questions which may help in gaining some perspective.

    A real relationship as you said is not possible yet you think that it’s ok being still in love with him. Are you sure this is not interfering with your life? Is this coming in the way of a future real relationship with someone else that is more on the realm of possibility?

    Is a transmutation of romantic side possible when you are very much in love?

    As a bright future psychotherapist, what is the best advice that you would have given to someone else who would come to you with a similar situation?

    Regards

    #219589
    Olivia
    Participant

    Dear Prash,

    Thank you for your thoughtful response.

    To be honest, yes I do think it is interfering with my life. He often intrudes into my thoughts, in an endless loop, particularly when I am stressed and wishing I could skip the years of struggle until I get closer to where he is in his career. A part of it is avoiding the difficulties of my own reality and the work that is required of me, indulging in the distant memory of a past self where I felt the happiest and most confident and purposeful I’d ever been in my life, under his guidance. I thought of my life as a tangled mess of threads that for a brief period were straight and it was like I could see everything clearly for the first time. I knew from the beginning that it would last only a couple of months. I know that I’m desperately clinging onto a fantasy self, which perhaps could be a reality if I really put in the same effort as I did last year, but I find my motivation lacking.

    I am not particularly looking for a relationship currently, however I have found that I am often deeply attracted to older men who are unavailable because they are in a committed relationship or in a position of authority. I know I am capable of real love and intimacy, but I also have social anxiety and I am prone to anxious attachments. I think the prospect of finding an appropriate real relationship with all the uncertainty that entails is a little terrifying, particularly as I’ve been out of practice for so long. However, I tell myself that I would rather work on myself so I can become the best clinician I can be, rather than use a relationship to fix a problem.

    I find myself feeling isolated at times, being introverted and socially anxious, preferring to avoid the difficulty of dealing with people socially. I have good friends I know I could talk to if I wanted to, but actually reaching out to them is difficult. My mentor is someone whom I felt strangely comfortable sharing many of my insecurities and anxieties with, because he understood my own perspective and mindset but with the benefit of two decades more experience, and his guidance and advice were on point. I have seen a few different therapists in my life, one towards the end of last year, yet no one has ever come close to the level of understanding that he has. He is the only person in my life whom I have been entirely determined to stay in touch with.

    In terms of the advice I would give to someone who would come to me in a similar situation… I think I know that a real relationship is not possible, yet in some ways I still act as though it is. I treat the emotional validation I receive from our interactions as a substitute for that of a real relationship. I need to find other avenues of meeting my emotional needs, because I will not and nor I have never been satisfied enough with what I have from him – hence my deep overwhelming obsession. I also cannot be the fantasy self I daydream about without dedicated hard work. The qualities I admire in him are qualities that I know I am capable of developing in myself, and perhaps his role in my life is showing me a guiding path forward that I desperately needed. He is valuable to me in this way, but I do not need him to be the sole source of emotional validation.

    In terms of getting rid of my romantic feelings, I hope that will continue to subside the less dependent I am on him and the more confidence I gain in myself. Although I don’t really know how to stop being in love with someone.

    #219595
    Mark
    Participant

    Olivia,

    I find mindfulness and meditation as great tools for dealing with stress and difficult emotions.  Just sitting with it is a great way of being with whatever challenges life brings to you.

    Being in love is OK as long as you don’t act on it.  Sitting with that feeling, emotionally and where it is in your body is a great way of being with it.

    These practices are not the cure all or an instant way of fixing you but they are great life long practices in dealing with your life.

    Mark

    #219625
    Prash
    Participant

    Dear Olivia,

    Is it possible that while with him, what you were experiencing with him was a result of your own healing through therapy?

    Have you explored the reasons behind your deep attraction to unavailable older men? Could the basis be your fears, in some way and maybe working on that will help you.

    I sense a lot of intelligence and the making of an astute clinician in what I read from your post.

    Wish you the best

    Take care

    #219731
    Olivia
    Participant

    Mark,

    Thank you for your suggestion. Meditation is something I have tried on and off and have found helpful in the past, but I have never been consistent in my practise. I will try to allow myself to sit with these feelings, instead of letting them circle in an endless mindless loop.

    Thanks

    Olivia

    #219737
    Olivia
    Participant

    Prash,

    Thank you for your kind words and your very astute questions. You have definitely given me a new perspective. Do you have experience in this field yourself?

    I believe you are right. I think he is highly aware of the role he plays as a substitute parental figure in my own life and part of his guidance was in fact allowing me to heal emotionally. There was one conversation very early on in which really broke the ice, where I confessed the transference I felt towards a patient who reminded me of myself and my own relationship with my parents. I discussed the empathy I felt for a patient with social anxiety who described never feeling good enough or being able to live up to the perceived expectations of her domineering and emotionally distant parents who had very set expectations, and felt that she was overshadowed by her high achieving younger sister. I was entirely distracted as I was nearly brought to tears, as the only major difference I felt in our journeys was that the patient had dealt with her distress by harming herself. I said this all with a smile, making light of my observations. He suggested that these feelings were still quite raw in me, but I denied it, saying that I only felt deep empathy.

    I realise that I was wrong. I played out family relationships. The other student in our team became a substitute annoying older brother, and I became genuinely fond of him yet unnecessarily competitive, wanting to be seen as the best and favourite. I desperately wanted the validation of my mentor, but I was also on some level aware and embarrassed about it, which I think he found amusing. The times when I felt strong sudden feelings of love towards him were also times when I thought “wow, no adult has ever validated me emotionally like this before”, such as when he confided in me a work-related problem and asked for my advice, or when after telling him some dream plans he actually accepted them and added his own insights… instead of projecting his own fears and anxieties and bringing up all the potential dangers and possibility of failure and reasons why I shouldn’t do it and wouldn’t be capable of doing it and that I should live an easy, risk free life – which I could always expect from my parents and ex boyfriend.

    With him, I felt free to be my uninhibited true self. I felt a sense of wholeness. For the first time in my life, these disparate parts of my personality and identity that would be hidden or emphasised to different people, felt integrated into a cohesive whole. I felt safe to be so vulnerable, because I knew he understood, coming from a place so similar to mine. It felt so healing to be so deeply understood. It gave me the courage to stay strong and pursue my own path, to not be swayed by the fears and insecurities projected onto me by the numerous anxious people in my life.

    I think my attraction to older unavailable men stems stems from two different things. It’s an attraction to authority and stability, which for a long time I needed, being so unsure of myself and hungry for the wisdom and experience that I lacked. I believe it is also due to fear, as I will emotionally distance myself from perfectly appropriate people if I know there’s a chance of anything happening. I am afraid of being not understood, of having parts of my identity rejected, going back to feeling fractured and losing the sense of self I have gained.

    Thanks for your help

    Olivia

     

    #219751
    Mark
    Participant

    Olivia,

    It sounds like you have a great intellectual understanding of who you are and the why of your behavior.  The issue is how to change it yes?

    What are you doing to address such known issues?  It sounds like being/working with your mentor is a path you are taking to do that.

    Mark

    #219989
    Olivia
    Participant

    Mark,

    I think your earlier suggestion of practising mindfulness and meditation will help me here. I live my life in my own head, dreaming about my future fantasy self, thinking about how great life would be if I could just jump ahead. In order to get there though, I have to work on living my life in the present. My mind often feels so disconnected from my body, but when I am mindful and feeling closer to reality, I am really much happier. It’s when I am being creative, looking at art, or out in nature, running, cycling, paddling on the river. Its also when I am able to connect with people, and I use that connection to make a positive difference in some way. Perhaps I will try to do more of the above. Ironically, the future self I daydream about is mindfully present.

    I think part of my admiration of him is how he is a mirror of my ideal self. He still struggles with issues that I can relate to, but he has learnt to manage all these insecurities and problems in an impressively mature way that I am yet to master. I’m a very impatient person. There were times when I expressed how I want to be like him, or asked how I could improve myself, or lamented my lack of self-confidence and various other flaws. All he has ever done in response is smile and say I will work it out and get there eventually, and the best way is to put myself in many varied situations to gain experience and learn. And although this is something I also wholeheartedly believe in, I found this mildly infuriating. I wanted him to use his wisdom to tell me exactly what to do. But I soon realised the lesson he was teaching me: to gain my confidence, I need to focus on the present, make my own decisions, and pave my own way in life.

    The way he deftly handled my moments of emotional vulnerability made me admire him more, not least because my parents have often responded to me with anxiety, defensiveness, impatience or plain misunderstanding. To have someone in my life who for once understands me, understands what I want to achieve, and pushes me further than I could ever hope for, without projecting all his insecurities, is incredible. I mean, yes, this is technically what he does for a living, and he offers this support freely, but he doesn’t have to do all of this for me. In offering me regular opportunities, he is guiding me consistently in the way that I have always needed, where I am making my own decisions and putting myself in varied situations to learn and grow. For the first time, I am paving my own way, I am 100% certain of myself and I am totally disregarding my parents’ unsolicited projection of all their anxieties and fears. I think as Prash said, his guidance has been emotionally healing.

    I think that the issues I have now will get better with time, experience and maturity. As well as mindfulness and living in the present, to make the best future possible. I have faith that I will get there.

    Olivia

    #220001
    Prash
    Participant

    Dear Olivia,

    Good to read from you again.

    Appreciate the insights that you share here. From what you have written, he has done a great job as a mentor. As a good mentor does, I am sure he also hopes that his protege will outshine him. Boundaries become very important more so in the profession that you have chosen. I am certain your self awareness and mindfulness will serve you well in recognizing the transference that you are likely to encounter.

    Wish you progress in your journey. Hope to read more about it as you learn and grow.

    Take care

     

    #220017
    Mark
    Participant

    Olivia,

    I am amazed at the depth of your awareness.  It sounds like you will get “there.”  Remember it is the journey and a process.  I don’t think we can ever get to a place where we are completely healed and at peace.  Be gentle with yourself and thank you for sharing yourself.

     

    Mark

    #220057
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Olivia:

    What an interesting thread, intelligent, insightful, educated, well written- your posts as well as the replies you received.

    This is my angle: your mentor has been your god: omniscient- all knowing, understanding you more than anyone ever did, more than you do yourself, omnipotent- powerful, so much so that you “wanted him to use his wisdom and tell (you) what to do”, and omnipresent- present in your thoughts everywhere you go, an obsession, you suggested it is.

    This is how a young child sees her parent, a god. After all god was invented in the image of a child’s parent, a parent feared (the punishing one) or a parent desired (the loving one). Yours is the latter, I suppose.

    A child fortunate enough to have a capable parent, proceeds to abandon this image of the parent as god, see him or her as human and proceeds to live a functional life as a human among humans. In psychotherapy it is very common to view a therapist as god. If therapy is successful, over time and work, the patient/ client abandons the therapist as god and accepts him as human, parallel to the process of the fortunate child I mentioned.

    A relationship with a man who you do not admire, but one you get to know and appreciate as a good, trustworthy man, is your opportunity to heal further. There will be many challenges in an equal, loving relationship with a man, but that is where you have a huge opportunity for further healing, when you are ready able and willing

    anita

    #220133
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Olivia:

    I studies your posts more at length this early morning, and I do hope you will welcome my further input. I am adding this post with the hope of maybe being of some help. This is how I see your situation (I will make it as short and as straightforward as I can):

    You very well know the emotional experience of “feeling fractured and losing the sense of self”, of being “an unstable emotional wreck”, of your life being “a tangled mess of threads”.

    Your desired emotional experience is that of  “a sense of wholeness”, to  “see everything clearly”, those thread being straight, not tangled.

    Alex, your former mentor, is your fantasy of “skip(ing) the years of struggle”  and getting to the promised land, that is feeling whole permanently, in no time, because you are “a very impatient person”.

    Obsessing about Alex will not heal you more than heroine heals a heroine addict. At best it will distract you from the healing process, wasting your time. At worst, it will create more problems in your life, keeping you unwell.

    To heal, to gain that sense of wholeness and clarity, you have to do the months and years of work required. During the healing process you will need to  successfully endure the emotional experience of being fractured, a tangle mess of threads. There is no other way.

    To successfully endure that experience,  keep doing the healthy activities that worked for you so far, “looking at art, or out in  nature, running, cycling, paddling on the river.. to connect with people”, add other healthy distractions/activities that may work for you, like mindful yoga and guided meditations with the mindfulness theme. Quality psychotherapy will help, one where you interact with a capable therapist not using the professional terms you used on this thread, but the language of the little girl.

    The key in the healing process, is to not give up when you feel distress, but to continue the process through the distress, enduring it, however uncomfortable and proceeding nonetheless.

    I figure a romantic relationship is probably not a good idea in the near future. If you are in regular contact with your parents, you may want to limit your interactions with them so to no longer receive their ongoing flow of anxiety. Perhaps cut contact with them, if that is what it takes for you to heal.

    anita

     

     

    #220243
    Olivia
    Participant

    Prash,

    Thank you for your questions and insights that have enabled me to unveil a much deeper understanding of myself. I will continue working on my boundaries and self-awareness, and hope to progress in my personal and professional journey.

    Olivia

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