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January 29, 2024 at 4:04 pm #427395PeaceParticipant
Dear Teak,
How are you doing .its been a lomg time that i dint write back .
“I think it’s actually good that you’ve started reflecting more on the relationship between you and your mother, and want to explore it further. You say she is a sweet person, but emotionally distant. Was she emotionally distant also before the onset of her dementia?From what I’ve understood about your childhood, you haven’t received much personal attention from your mother, because she was very busy, having many children to take care of. She also was busy helping her relatives, if I remember well? Perhaps all those were factors that contributed to her feeling emotionally distant.You say she is introverted. Perhaps that means she wasn’t really talking too much about her own feelings either, perhaps stuffing them down, and so this contributed to her not being attuned to your (and your siblings’) feelings either?”
When I think about love, my mom’s love is the first thing that comes to mind. She was always there for me. I remember her arms, the hands that fed me, and her lap, where I would rest my head even though I was getting older. I used to hug her while sleeping, even when I was 12-13 years old. I recall feeling very sad at times and even wishing for death, but then I’d think about how my mom would be without me. It was clear to me, even at that young age, that she loved me unconditionally. However, I felt lonely because she couldn’t understand that I needed protection and emotional support.
My mom was quiet and not big on expressing herself. Our family followed the older tradition where having a family and kids was normal, and they didn’t think much beyond basic needs like food, clothes, and getting married. It was usual in our culture for older siblings to take care of the younger ones.
During my childhood, my mom was always nice,kinf,loving but not expressive. She never said no to anything I asked, and she never scolded me. She was really kind. But what was missing for me was the feeling of being taken care of. I wished my parents would be more concerned about me, wondering where I was if I disappeared for a bit. Unlike other kids’ parents, mine didn’t ask about my day. It felt like I wasn’t really looked after or belonged to anyone, and that made me feel lonely and i used to look for attention and love from others .
January 29, 2024 at 4:51 pm #427396anitaParticipantDear Peace:
You are very welcome and thank you (!!!) for your kinds words of appreciation, and for giving me and this forum credit for your amazing progress. The great majority of the credit belongs to you, to your mother who although imperfect (and no one is perfect…) was kind and never scolded you, and to your husband whose presence in your life made you a calmer, healthier person. You are a blessing in this forum, in the forums in general and in my mind and heart!
anita
February 14, 2024 at 6:14 am #427811PeaceParticipantDear Anita,
you are welcome . and thank you so much 🙂 Anita
and thank you for everything and being there for me 🙂
Peace
February 14, 2024 at 8:49 am #427823anitaParticipantDear Peace:
It’s a pleasure (!!!) to read your short post (if I was able to insert emojis here, I would choose a very happy face.. but I am technologically challenged..)
anita
February 15, 2024 at 6:36 am #427843PeaceParticipantDear Anita,
it felt nice to read your post ,although you are technically challenged i am glad that you expressed emotions .
i hope you are doing well .
as i am going through exams right now ..i have 2 exams after 10 days with 1 day gap ..
i would be in touch soon..
Peace
February 15, 2024 at 3:04 pm #427848anitaParticipantDear Peace:
Thank you for saying such a nice thing.. makes me smile! I am doing well, now that I have electricity and internet back after more than 12 hours.. actually, I did quite well without electricity and internet.
Please focus on your two exams in the next 10 days, and I hope to read from you after your exams and after you are rested following the exams, take good care of yourself!
anita
February 20, 2024 at 2:27 pm #427981TeeParticipantDear Peace,
congratulations on getting married in your homeland too! And having a big wedding that you enjoyed, despite your family not being super happy about it.
What is more important, I am so glad you feel free from your family’s expectations and guilt-tripping, free to enjoy your marriage and your own choices. I am super happy about you and how much you’ve grown and blossomed in these last few years!!
My health is so-so, still suffering from health anxiety. And it is not helping that I have various health issues (smaller but not insignificant) popping up rather frequently… which kind of gives me the reason to worry. So it’s hard to break free from the cycle of worrying… Anyway, I am working on it, hopefully will see some results soon.
During my childhood, my mom was always nice,kinf,loving but not expressive. She never said no to anything I asked, and she never scolded me. She was really kind. But what was missing for me was the feeling of being taken care of. I wished my parents would be more concerned about me, wondering where I was if I disappeared for a bit. Unlike other kids’ parents, mine didn’t ask about my day. It felt like I wasn’t really looked after or belonged to anyone, and that made me feel lonely and i used to look for attention and love from others .
It’s nice that your mother was kind and never scolded you. And that she was physically tender with you and never rejected you when you wanted her comfort and soothing (I remember her arms, the hands that fed me, and her lap, where I would rest my head even though I was getting older). That’s very healthy.
Perhaps what was missing was her showing more interest in you, like asking you how your day was, and also perhaps noticing that you feel sad about something and asking you about it? Maybe she failed to protect you if your siblings (or relatives) were cruel with you? (she couldn’t understand that I needed protection and emotional support.)
If so, it would be a type of emotional neglect (failing to protect you, or failing to notice your mood and comfort you). And as you say, this was inherent in the traditional upbringing: Our family followed the older tradition where having a family and kids was normal, and they didn’t think much beyond basic needs like food, clothes, and getting married. It was usual in our culture for older siblings to take care of the younger ones.
If older siblings were supposed to take care of the younger ones, they of course couldn’t take care of their emotional needs, but of their physical safety at most. Which is not enough, because we need emotional safety and attunement even more than food and clothing. So… if you had no one to take care of your emotional needs, no wonder you felt lonely and unwanted, and looked elsewhere to meet that need (It felt like I wasn’t really looked after or belonged to anyone, and that made me feel lonely and i used to look for attention and love from others.).
It’s not your mom’s fault – it’s just how she was raised and what she knew. But she also gave you a lot of physical touch and cuddling, which is super important, and she was also never abusive (she never criticized you, yelled at you, shamed you, or emotionally manipulated you). This all means that you did get a lot of her love, only it wasn’t complete. As you yourself said, emotional protection and support was missing… but now you are getting it from your husband, and are also giving it to yourself. Which is why you’ve had a major healing!
And I am super happy for all the healing and growth you’ve experienced, and all the positive vibes coming from you! Congratulations, Peace!
March 5, 2024 at 4:07 am #428385PeaceParticipantDear Anita,
thanks for your congratulations 🙂
I’ve just finished my exams, but unfortunately, they didn’t go well despite all the effort I put into preparing for them. It’s disappointing, but I’m not giving up. I’ll try again.
Lately, I’ve been feeling like my siblings are mad at me or hate me. One of my sisters, who lives in Europe, has been pretty rude. She asks me for help and money, but she never says thank you. i feel like She blames me for her visa problems and that she is not getting job in europe, even though I have nothing to do with it.i used to send job advertisment but stopped after her rude behaviour. she an my family even thinks I’m stopping her from coming to Germany, which is not true at all.why would i do that . she wanted from me to be good with her that i value her after my wedding but i couldnt deliver like that as i was busy with my things.
Whenever I talk to her, it feels like she’s holding a grudge. Before my wedding, another sister accused me of being selfish. She said I could have helped more siblings move to Europe but chose not to because i dint want anyone to be prosper and have better life .It really hurt, especially right before my big day. Later, I found out it was my older sister spreading these rumors and badmouthing me to everyone.
it feels like they made a group and i am the villain of everyones story..
March 5, 2024 at 8:21 am #428396anitaParticipantDear Peace:
The person who submitted the last post to you (Feb 20), congratulating you for getting married, and for your healing and growth is Tee, not me.
“I’ve just finished my exams, but unfortunately, they didn’t go well despite all the effort I put into preparing for them. It’s disappointing, but I’m not giving up. I’ll try again“- this is the right attitude!
“Lately, I’ve been feeling like my siblings are mad at me or hate me. One of my sisters, who lives in Europe, has been pretty rude. She asks me for help and money, but she never says thank you. I feel like She blames me for her visa problems and that she is not getting job in Europe, even though I have nothing to do with it…“- I wrote above that trying again is the right attitude, and it is, as far as exams are concerned, but trying again with your sisters, trying to get them to like you and treat you well is .. not the right attitude and a waste of your emotional energy, energy that you need for trying again to pass the exams!
“Before my wedding, another sister accused me of being selfish. She said I could have helped more siblings move to Europe but chose not to because I dint want anyone to be prosper and have better life .It really hurt, especially right before my big day. Later, I found out it was my older sister spreading these rumors and badmouthing me to everyone. It feels like they made a group and I am the villain of everyone’s story..“-
– here is a quote from bustle. com/ signs your siblings are toxic: “Just because someone is related to you doesn’t automatically make them a positive part of your life. Everyone wants a good relationship with their family, but if you feel like crap after every interaction, you might want to look out for some signs you have toxic siblings… A toxic sibling might borrow money to resolve crisis after crisis and make you feel bad if you say no…
“Constructive criticism coming from a place of love is one thing, but a sign your sister is jealous of you could be that she intentionally makes you feel bad about yourself, instead of dealing with her own feelings… You may often feel as though you can’t do anything right because your sibling will nitpick and find ‘flaws’ in you… you don’t have to take it just because it’s coming from a family member… With toxic siblings, your brother or sister is never wrong… (blaming) others for their own mistakes or faults… They often have the mentality that nothing is their fault, and everyone else is wrong…
“A toxic sibling never apologizes, no matter what they did or how much it hurt you… A healthy relationship with a sibling… comes with an ‘open line of communication,’ meaning that if you tell your sibling that they hurt your feelings, ‘they should be receptive to that, and be willing to meet your needs [for an apology].’…
“Toxic siblings will do anything they can to take advantage of you… if they know you’re a people pleaser who has a hard time saying no, they will keep badgering you until you finally cave. They might even tell other family members about your weaknesses so that they can take advantage of you, too… and will guilt-trip you into getting what they want…
“You can do no right, while they can do no wrong… There’s always an excuse or a reason why your situations are different or why they’re not in the wrong — even if you both took the same action or made the same mistake. ‘They minimize your feelings but give themselves the space to process theirs, or expect you to show empathy for what they’re going through but don’t acknowledge your feelings'”-
– the above reads like a description of your sisters, doesn’t it?
anita
March 5, 2024 at 8:24 am #428397PeaceParticipantDear Teak,
It’s great to hear from you! Welcome back after such a long time.
how are you doing? how is life on your side?
“My health is so-so, still suffering from health anxiety. And it is not helping that I have various health issues (smaller but not insignificant) popping up rather frequently… which kind of gives me the reason to worry. So it’s hard to break free from the cycle of worrying… Anyway, I am working on it, hopefully will see some results soon.”
I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you’re keeping up with your daily check-ups. Please do share any results with me and let me know how you’re doing.
“congratulations on getting married in your homeland too! And having a big wedding that you enjoyed, despite your family not being super happy about it.”
Thank you very much! It’s hard to believe, but it’s already been nearly three months. Time really does fly by, doesn’t it?
“It’s not your mom’s fault – it’s just how she was raised and what she knew. But she also gave you a lot of physical touch and cuddling, which is super important, and she was also never abusive (she never criticized you, yelled at you, shamed you, or emotionally manipulated you). This all means that you did get a lot of her love, only it wasn’t complete. As you yourself said, emotional protection and support was missing… but now you are getting it from your husband, and are also giving it to yourself. Which is why you’ve had a major healing!”
You’re right, it’s not my mom’s fault. She’s full of love. But sometimes, I feel sad. I wonder sometimes who I really have in this world. My mom is very old now, and sometimes she doesn’t even recognize me. My dad passed away, and my siblings treat me like I’m worthless. It hurts a lot sometimes. I struggle with a lot of anxiety, maybe because I’m afraid of being abandoned. Sometimes, I wish I was stronger mentally and had healthier thoughts.
When I’m with my husband, he’s calm. He doesn’t feel anxious like I do. But if someone doesn’t reply to me, I start feeling like I did something wrong. I’ve always felt afraid and guilty, like I’m always in the wrong.
Peace
March 5, 2024 at 8:35 am #428399anitaParticipantDear Peace: seems like you did address your earlier post to me correctly (referring to my Jan 25 congratulating post, previous page). I am adding this post because you submitted your last post only 3 minutes after I submitted mine, and maybe you wouldn’t notice my last post.. so, it’s there!
anita
March 5, 2024 at 1:52 pm #428405TeeParticipantDear Peace,
Sorry to hear that you didn’t manage to pass your exams. But I am glad it didn’t discourage you and that you will try again!
As for your siblings, I am sorry to hear it, but unfortunately it’s not anything new – they have been behaving abhorrently for a very long time. Blaming, guilt tripping, threatening, accusing, extracting money from you, trying to control you and coerce you into doing what they want, “spiced up” with loads of emotional blackmail – that’s what your siblings have unfortunately been doing to you.
And I understand why it hurts so much. I guess a part of it is that you indeed saw them (specially your oldest sister) as parental figures:
I realize that maybe I saw my older siblings as parental figures because my father was not around when I was young. I looked to them for love, support, and protection, much like a child looks to a father.
You wanted love and protection, support and validation from them. You wanted them to be proud of you, right? But what you received instead is their condemnation, despise and disapproval. You were told you are an embarrassment to them. You were also made into their scapegoat – they are accusing you of not solving the problems that they as adult people should be solving for themselves.
As you say, they treat you like a villain (I am the villain of everyones story).
That’s a horrible message to get, a totally unfair and baseless message. A toxic message, coming from very self-absorbed and greedy people, who have zero empathy and zero consideration for you.
But I understand that it still hurts, because they are your parental figures, and we look for validation from our parental figures. They mirror us our own worth. Our own lovability. And if they reject us, if they tell us we are no good and we’ve failed them – then of course we’ll feel horrible. We’ll believe it is our fault. We’ll believe that we are indeed unlovable, undesirable, and unworthy.
And so I guess a part of you (the child part of you) believes their opinion of you. The little girl in you still seeks their approval…Would you agree with that?
If you want to be less affected by their treatment of you, I think you’ll need to stop seeing them as parental figures and stop seeking approval from them. Because how they see you is not who you really are. What they believe about you doesn’t reflect your true worth. Their image and opinion of you is warped. It reflects who they are, not who you are.
So you’d need to reject that – reject the entire narrative that there is something wrong with you, that you’re not helping them enough, that you have betrayed them, let them down etc etc. Reject all that, and accept that you are a good, caring and compassionate person, who helped them a lot, but they were never grateful for that, and no matter what you give, it will never be good enough.
You’d need to accept, and perhaps grieve too, that they don’t see your worth. But also, it’s not the end of the world, because you see your own worth, and your husband sees it too (and we too on the forum see your worth). You’ve got people in your life who see your worth, and you don’t need your siblings to validate you.
They aren’t even capable of that, in their current (self-absorbed) state of mind. The more you can embrace your own worth in spite of what they think of you – the happier you will be…
How does this sound to you?
March 7, 2024 at 9:18 am #428460PeaceParticipantDear Anita,
” the above reads like a description of your sisters, doesn’t it?”
1.”You can do no right, while they can do no wrong”
“Toxic siblings will do anything they can to take advantage of you…hey might even tell other family members about your weaknesses so that they can take advantage of you, too… and will guilt-trip you into getting what they want…”
This is true i guess . When I used to help them or anyone , by spending money and doing favors or i was nice to them, they called me a “fool.” They thought I was stupid immature,without a brain (specially my eldest sis). But when I stood up for myself and refused to let them control me about my husband, they called me “selfish.” I don’t know what else they said about me behind my back. So, no matter what I do, they think I’m bad. It’s like I’m always in the wrong.
2.”A toxic sibling never apologizes, no matter what they did or how much it hurt you”
Neither of them said sorry, even when they hurt me. They acted like nothing happened. They thought it was normal to treat me, my husband, and his family badly. They expected me to still treat them well. When I couldn’t, they got mad again. After I got married, my siblings were okay with me at first. They even called me when I was in the hospital. But after a while, they got upset. And when I told them my husband bought us a new apartment in Germany, they got even more distance or i felt they stopped even liking or commenting on my statuses. no one liked my wedding photo when i put that on my status but i saw my siblings wishing well and happiness to a random person on his wedding .it hit me hard but was funny too.
3.”Constructive criticism coming from a place of love is one thing, but a sign your sister is jealous of you could be that she intentionally makes you feel bad about yourself, instead of dealing with her own feelings…”
No matter what you do, you’ll be criticized, judged, or called names. If you’re kind, you’re seen as foolish. If you set boundaries, you’re labeled as selfish. It seems like no matter how good your intentions are, there’s always something people will find fault with. And it’s not just me; it’s the same for everyone, including other family members.
March 7, 2024 at 10:50 am #428466anitaParticipantDear Peace:
“No matter what I do, they think I’m bad. It’s like I’m always in the wrong… Neither of them said sorry, even when they hurt me. They acted like nothing happened. They thought it was normal to treat me, my husband, and his family badly. They expected me to still treat them well… No matter what you do, you’ll be criticized, judged, or called names…And it’s not just me; it’s the same for everyone, including other family member“-
– Family is supposed to support, encourage and help family. Family does not have the right to mistreat and abuse family, not any more than strangers have such a right. Their behaviors are Wrong. Can you cut ties with all abusive family members? I mean, wouldn’t you be better off without them in your life?
anita
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