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September 11, 2018 at 6:35 pm #225245LaurenParticipant
Dear anita, I’ve been thinking about you this evening. What I’m about to say has nothing to do with the topic of this post.
I’ve seen you reply to almost every post on this forum, 100’s if not 1000’s of them. Your comments are always spot on, insightful, and researched (you will go back the a person’s older posts, re-quote them and really get in the meat of things). You are a true gem for this community and a unique human being (I mean that in the best and nicest possible way). So thank you. Just thank you, anita.
September 12, 2018 at 7:42 am #225303AnonymousGuestDear Lauren:
How very kind of you to wrote this most recent post, I am touched, in a good way. It may interest you to know, so I will share it with you: when I read your sentences, “I’ve been thinking about you… What I’m about to say..” I was filled with dread. I was expecting that what you are about to say would be something hurtful to me, something really bad. What happened is that some neuropathways were activated in me, in them the emotional memory, the fear of what my mother is about to tell me. Oh, how unpleasant those things were, what she did tell me. I felt the dread and wanted to stop reading but kept reading, and what you wrote were good things. What a relief. This activation is nothing new to me. It is interesting how we expect what we already experienced, the same old, same old from long ago.
As to your recent post in the previous page: “He knows I’ve been mad.. he would pop up at my desk to say random thing.. things”, you then say to him “‘yes’ ‘what?’ ‘ok’. When what I really wanted to say was ‘Leave me alone!’ Stop trying to make nice’… We left work… he was going on his date with new girl.. and wanted me to give him a hug. What the…?”
Here is a fictional exchange instead, what I think would have satisfied you, if you believed in its authenticity: he pops up at your desk and says: Lauren, I love you. If you will have me as your life partner, I will do anything I can to love you the way you deserve to be loved. I will call my parents and notify them immediately that you are the one for me, that I will be asking you to marry me. I will let them know that I am not asking nor do I need their permission or approval, that if they want me in their lives they will have to accept and respect my decision and treat you with nothing but respect and kindness.
You are it for me, there is no other and will be no other woman for me. Let’s make the best of our lives as a team, partners for life. ”
But I don’t think he has the ability to form such intent and stick to it, not with you and not with any other woman. If he marries another, when he does, I don’t think it will be a partners-for-life prospect, but something impulsive, almost random, something easy, for him.
anita
September 12, 2018 at 9:54 am #225327LaurenParticipantanita, I am so very sorry for causing these feelings to come out, that was certainly not the intent. Our brain can really mess with us at time. It tries to anticipate a behavior, or some words that are about to come and could hurt you. In a sense, I guess it’s a protective mechanism, but it doesn’t always end up helping. As in your case.
My words were genuine and I truly meant what I wrote. I hope you can be over the bad feelings you experienced.
In relation to your hypothetical scenario. If he were to say something of the sort, I would be far from satisfied. I might have close to a nuclear reaction, actually. After all the parading of the girls, for the past 2 years, for him to come to me and utter such words (which would never happen, you know that) would send me in a state of complete rage. There would be a lot of screaming, cursing, possibly crying (again, in anger, not sadness).
I think you are right, however, regarding his impulsivity. The current girl is, in his words, a carbon copy of himself: lazy, care-free, they both smoke (and have been desperately wanting to quit) and a few other similar personality traits. I believe there’s a good chance that she might be the lucky one. Over the past 7 days, I’ve heard a few things that raised red flags for me, but that is not something for me to worry about. In addition, I feel like voicing these concerns might be taken as me being jealous, and nothing else, so I stay quiet.
September 12, 2018 at 10:18 am #225331AnonymousGuestDear Lauren:
I thought you might feel badly about what I shared with you the first part of my recent post. Of course, that was not my intent just as your intent was not to cause me to feel that dread. I shared because it brings me closer to understanding my own daily fear. And by sharing, I hope to express what I know is true: that every one of us feels fear every day.
Another thing is the issue of responsibility: you are not at all responsible for me feeling that dread. That dread was established long before I came across you on this site.. long before you were born.
Remember this, as you share honestly with people, just as you shared your appreciation of me (honest, loving, really), that you are not responsible what that triggers in a person.
Following the triggering, I was able to quickly appreciate your intent and kindness.
Connecting the issue of personal responsibility, you are not responsible for this man’s behavior with you, his inclinations, those were also established long before you came into his life.
I can see that you are angry at him. There were hopes and dreams after all, for you. Should you at all keep a friendly relationship with him or maybe better you end all friendly interactions with him, keeping it purely professional, zero communication that is not related to work?
anita
September 14, 2018 at 3:56 am #225647AnonymousGuestDear Lauren:
“so I stay quiet” were the last words in your most recent post. Are you still staying quiet in regard to this man, ex boyfriend, ex (?) friend, current co worker?
anita
September 14, 2018 at 9:21 am #225701LaurenParticipantanita, we had a long, long conversation last evening where I expressed everything that was on my mind. Everything he’d done, and my feelings about this new girl (she’s a little psycho – already talking about marriage, and possibly eloping since her mother might not be OK with this union. It’s been 10 days, you crazy girl). What non-sense is this?
He said “not wanting to let me go as a friend”. I have to admit I thought this was nice at first. After a good night sleep, however, I see it as him wanting me around so I can witness this evolving relationship, and keep hearing about how much chemistry they have. I’m not going to let that happen.
I’ve also had a long conversation with my best friend about it this morning (he was away on vacation this whole week with no cell coverage – which was torture for me!! but he had fun 🙂 ). He’s a very rational, observant person, who always seems to be able to put things in perspective (almost as you do, anita). We both agree this never-ending cycle of hurting me and coming back to apologies is toxic.
I have decided to cut contact with him outside of work. This is going to be a little difficult as we both play in a team league together and have a friends wedding to attend next month (wedding he’s already planning on bringing new girl too. So that should be fun).
I took the day off today (this has been emotionally taxing on me and need a rest day) and plan on going to the beach. I’m hoping to get somewhat rejuvenated by this.
Thank you for following up!!
September 14, 2018 at 10:52 am #225713AnonymousGuestDear Lauren:
You, your friend and I are all on the same page then, it being that cutting contact with him outside work is the right thing for you.
He may be as dramatic/ histrionic as his current ten day girlfriend, both getting all excited about nothing much, sort of getting all excited about.. being excited.
You are welcome and please do post again. I would like to read more from you.
anita
September 14, 2018 at 1:17 pm #225737MarkParticipantLauren,
I don’t see anything that you have shared here on what you get out this “friendship.” Your words are all about being annoyed or worse by him. You seem to be intimately involved in his personal life which sounds like co-dependence.
I know what I get from each friend that I have (single, married, coupled) and I don’t track or involved in any of their lives to that minute degree like you seem to do with him.
Don’t you have other people to have fun with? to talk with? It seems like you have too much attachment to him to be at peace and actually enjoy a friendship with.
Mark
September 15, 2018 at 10:55 am #225815LaurenParticipantMark,
This is something I’ve thought about a lot. Knowing or expecting to get something out of a friendship/relationship seems a little cold, but, on some level, I agree there should be “something” good about it, right? And, yes, as embarrassing as it is to admit, I don’t think I am getting anything even remotely good out of it. I say embarrassing because I thought, truly thought, there was something there, hidden, that I might discover would have made all of this worth it eventually.
We are so involved in each other’s lives because we dated for 15 months and know each other on a fairly intimate level. That there might be a co-dependence is not untrue. Again, not an easy thing to admit, that you’d rather have a possibly unhealthy relation from someone you should have cut cords with a long time ago, rather than nothing.
I’m a very introverted person and no, I do not have many friends. I don’t find it easy to make friends and I don’t enjoy social/group settings. Quite frankly, I’m at an age when I don’t even know how to make new friends (not trying to play the sympathy card here, just a fact). I’ve hung on to that relation because it exists. It’s there, it’s known and familiar, and if it weren’t, I would probably feel isolated.
September 15, 2018 at 3:26 pm #225819MarkParticipantLauren,
It is common for us humans to stay in painful and unhealthy relationships/situations because it is familiar. It is more scary to go into the unknown so it is easier to stay in status quo.
If you truly want to feel better about yourself, be in healthier relationships then get someone to help you, e.g. therapist.
Mark
September 17, 2018 at 10:50 am #226075LaurenParticipantI had the “let’s not carpool and stop seeing each other outside of work” talk this morning. He seemed a little taken aback, but also agreed to it without any fight. Only practical downside right now is that we can only get parking passes starting the 1st or 16th or the month. And, yes, today is the 17th. Good timing!
I tried to make it super clear that it wasn’t about “the girls”. Even though they are not making a positive contribution to my mood and our overall relationship. This is about him simply not being a good friend. Our relation is completely one-sided: I’m the caretaker. I’m hoping all of this sinks with him. But if not, I don’t have regrets.
I naively thought I would instantly feel so much lighter, freer after this. I guess I need to give it a little time. 🙂
September 17, 2018 at 11:57 am #226081AnonymousGuestDear Lauren:
Emotions have their own timing as none operates in isolation: sadness, disappointment, dying hopes, anger here and there, all these are still there, neutralizing perhaps the relief you expected.
anita
October 1, 2018 at 12:46 pm #228491LaurenParticipantJust a quick update… I’m not sure things are really evolving, but contacts have been drastically cut outside of work. I did not hear from him for the past 4 days – as he went to visit the future Mrs. That gave me time to disconnect and enjoy my own week-end. I went on a semi-date (grabbed a drink at a bar) with someone. This is not going to go anywhere, but I got to try the online dating experience 🙂
I’m still waiting on news of him getting a parking pass. As of last week, he was more worried about her getting guest parking at his place next time she comes to visit then our carpool situation. Which is frustrating.
Slowly taking back charge of my own life is feeling good.
October 2, 2018 at 7:59 am #228591AnonymousGuestDear Lauren:
Good to read your update. “Slowly taking back charge of my own life is feeling good”. Feels like a very good thing to me!
Online dating done wisely is an excellent opportunity to meet a man with that “fresh perspective” that you need (title of your thread). It helps to put together a list of objectives to guide you through the experience of online dating, what you are looking for in a man, in order of priorities perhaps, what is most important at the top of the list.
anita
October 28, 2018 at 3:59 pm #233921LaurenParticipantI couldn’t not share this. I have a new definition of irony:
That day you have a talk with your ex-boyfriend and explain to him the importance of being acknowledged, as a partner/lover/girlfriend; then 36 hours later he posts a picture of him and new-girl on facebook.
Not. What. I. Meant…
That was just brilliant. I can’t do anything but smile at that.
He’s now unfollowed on FB – I didn’t think to do it before since he *never* posts anything. Well, didn’t use to.
Everytime I think and feel like I’m making progress and moving on, something happens.
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