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    * Dear Peggy:

    You are welcome and I appreciate your note to me. I opened the link.

    I was wondering if you will be so kind and tell me (and Kylin, if she is interested)- what is this “Pain Body”, a concept you are very familiar with as a reiki healer?

    And how can it be removed with reiki, practically how does it happen?

    anita

    #308075
    Peggy
    Participant

    Hi Anita and Kylin,

    I only recently read a book which referred to “The Pain Body” so it was a term that I was not really familiar with.  I am more comfortable with referring to it as “The Emotional Body”.  Healers think of the body as being surrounded by seven levels of energy fields, the first level relates to the physical, the second level relates to the emotional.  All healers find the way of healing that suits them best but I probably work at about 9″ from the physical body and can detect an imbalance either through a feeling of “heat” or “cold”.  If you think of your energy field like a giant egg surrounding your whole body, the blockage could exist potentially at any point on that sphere where the emotional/pain body exists.  I would either introduce heat into a cold spot or draw out heat from a hot spot.  In practical terms, this is all done with my hands.  However, intuition, sensitivity, experience, belief, intent and knowledge all play a major role in achieving a successful outcome.

    If someone was to physically injure themselves or have an operation, I would then be working closer to the body to speed up wound healing and similarly, if someone was in low spirits I could be working an arm’s length away from the body.  It is frequently necessary to work on more than one level during the same treatment.

    It is never easy to describe how exactly healing works but healers seem to have found a way of tapping into an electrical frequency conducive to healing (7-8Hz typically).  I am quoting here “when a person is sick, one or more of the organs of the sick person’s body will have biomagnetic frequencies not in the healthy range for those organs”.

    I hope this goes some way towards answering your questions.  I will do my best to answer any more that may occur to you.

    Peggy

    #308087
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Kylin: hope to read more from you. If this exchange between Peggy and I is not what you want on your thread, please make it known.

    Dear Peggy:

    Thank you for answering my question as clearly and thoroughly as you did. I will summarize/ paraphrase your answer, please let me know if I understand correctly: the human body is surrounded by seven energy fields: physical, emotional, and five others. All reiki healers lay hands above the body that needs healing, no reiki healer touches the body (?) You personally lay your hands about 9″ above/ away from the body.

    As you do that, you are able to sense with your hands heat and cold areas of the body. You know how the temperature should be distributed, where the body should be warm, warmer, cold and cooler.

    When the temperature distribution is not like it should be, that is an imbalance. You then correct the imbalance by drawing heat from a hot spot to a cold spot or bring heat to a cold spot from elsewhere.

    You are able to do these things without any need or examination of medical tests such as x-rays, MRIs, blood tests etc., and if such are available to you, you don’t have a use for them.

    1. Did I understand correctly? If not, please correct me.

    2. I read long ago of emotions being energy-in-motion. Meaning, before any movement of the body and independently of any physical movement of the body, there is a feeling itself and it has its own energy.

    Can you tell me a bit about that energy particular to individual emotions/ feelings- how that energy comes about and where does it originate?

    (I suspect these individual emotional energies are a result of individual biochemical reactions leading to physiological reactions such as heart pounding faster, blushing, etc.)

    anita

     

    #308113
    Peggy
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Depending on how Reiki is taught, the system allows for the placement of several hand positions on the body which would run from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet, both front and back, whilst the client is fully clothed.  As a healer becomes more experienced they may chose to select which hand positions they believe would have the optimum effect.  The client, however, may prefer not to be touched and all healers should respect that and work with their hands away from the body.  Also, I find that if the hands are placed directly on the body, there is less awareness of what is happening in the auric field where the seven different levels are present.  Disease (ill at ease) can happen in the auric field long before it reaches the physical level and becomes a medical condition.  I would normally commence a treatment by putting my hands on the client’s shoulders for a couple of minutes to attune myself to their energy field and work from there, sometimes with my hands on the person and sometimes away.

    Every body is different and every energy field is different so I was giving a general indication of where the emotional body may exist in relation to the physical body and how I would detect and treat imbalances on that particular level.  I would look to treat my clients on all levels, physical, mental, emotional and spiritual as everything that happens to us has an impact on all levels even if we are not aware of it.

    Healers have a code of conduct to abide by and they are not allowed to diagnose conditions or promise cures.  If medical evidence is presented then the healer would have a clear indication of main areas to be treated but would not necessarily only treat those areas as there could be other weaknesses that have not been detected.

    I need to come back to you on the subject of emotional energy when I’ve had some time to put this into some form of logical context.

    Peggy

     

    #308125
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Peggy:

    Thank you. I want to re-read and reply to your explanation of reiki and the work you do later when I am more focused than I am now.

    anita

    #308133
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Peggy:

    What I sense from your reply is that you care a lot about the ethical part of your profession, that is, you are an ethical professional.

    So it is news to me: Reiki healing does not exclude physical touching of the client’s body. I know that touch is so very healing for all social animals, it is something we all need- it quiets the energy of distress, discomfort, that unsettled feeling, neutralizing negative energy. As I read “the placement of several hand positions on the body which would run from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet”-I wanted to be that person getting this kind of touch- attention head to toe, ethically, of course.

    Regarding the auric field that you as a Reiki Healer can access without touch, by placing your hands above the client, accessing it more so without touch than with touch, that is beyond my understanding, but… I don’t understand everything.

    “Disease (ill at ease) can happen in the auric field long before it reaches the physical level and becomes a medical condition” – that makes sense to me. I believe an emotional tumor, so to speak, can bring about a medically identifiable physical tumor. A tension in a part of the body, a chronic tension in a certain location is an invitation for a medical condition developing in that location and spreading from there.

    “I would normally commence a treatment by putting my hands on a client’s shoulders for a couple of minutes”- this is where a lot of tense muscles are, for a lot of people. I wonder if you can sense those tense muscles. It is the tension, is it not, the tissues holding on the energy, that is what ill-at-ease is about, isn’t it?

    How I wish that my energy, my energy-in-motion will flow through me and leave me be, calm, relaxed. Millions of people now sick would be healthy if emotions, primarily fear, wouldn’t get stuck, or lodged in their bodies.

    Thank you again for your thorough response. If you still want to come back to me on the subject of emotional energy, please do.

    anita

    #308177
    Peggy
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I have spent over 20 years as a Healer, Spiritual/Reiki/Seichem and also have qualifications in Stress Counselling.  The majority of tension is held in the head, neck and shoulder areas.  Tension refers to muscular tension so you are right in saying that I can pick up on that through my hands, and being ill at ease affects our posture, the way we walk, the way we carry ourselves, our spine.  You are now thinking like a healer.  If we were able to release all of our negative emotions, we would all be a lot healthier.  This is exactly why I became so passionate about the subject.

    With regard to emotions, everything is energy.  We are always in a constant state of movement.  A doctor puts his finger on the pulse to check for movement.  Feelings, which are on the level of the Sacral Center, are governed by the element of water.  Quote: “The Sacral Center is at the level of the sacrum on the spine.  At this level we have the experience of fluidity in ourselves.  This is called the element of water.  The idea of energy being experienced as the principle of fluidity may seem a little mystifying at first sight to the student.  We have to adjust to the idea of energy in ourselves at these different levels being experienced as different kinds of consciousness or elements.”  The author goes on to say that this water element covers things like urine, semen, joint lubrication, sweat, saliva.  That the sense of taste is only possible because of the element of water (saliva).

    I might also add that sadness produces tears and people talk of “drowning their sorrows” as a way of dealing with their negative emotions.  Also, the digestive system begins in the mouth (saliva) and most of us can probably relate to comfort eating as a way of dealing with our feelings.

    The fight/flight/freeze response (how we respond to a perceived danger) causes adrenalin to be released into the body which I believe is responsible for producing reactions such as pounding heart and possibly even blushing which you mentioned.

    The energy in motion which creates feelings of calm and relaxation is the breath.  This is the air element which relates to the Heart Center.  This covers the chest and lungs and also relates to the sense of touch.  Too much energy in the heart center creates anxiety (back to the heart pounding).  Energy follows thought.  Thought creates.  Everything in creation had to be thought about first.  Einstein (and others) noted that matter is thought vibrating at a lower frequency.  He has also been reported as saying that if he hadn’t developed his theory of relativity someone else would have done as the idea was in the air.  In relationship to our body, our Root Center is our lowest vibrating Center and relates to Earth – the lower the vibration, the denser the matter (teeth, bones, nails).

    I’m sure that this text might have thrown up some new ways of exploring the link between our thoughts and feelings and the intricate nature of the human body.  Awesome.

    Peggy

     

    #308221
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Peggy:

    “The majority of tension is held in the head, neck and shoulder areas”- it happens though, for some people, the majority of the tension is held elsewhere, correct, such as in the stomach or the intestines. I wonder if you worked with a client or clients whose tension was mostly in their gut?

    “being ill at ease affects our posture, the way we walk, the way we carry ourselves”- neck bent and curved forward, shoulders curved forward… this is why the yoga “chest opener” postures are so invigorating, such a wonderful feeling, like breathing again. My posture is such that deep breathing is limited, shallow, restricted, it is like the shoulders closing in on themselves. Closing in, away from air, away from life.

    “If we were able to release all of our negative emotions, we would be a lot healthier”- problem is those negative emotions are closely tied to negative thoughts, patterns of thought, and the two, negative thoughts and negative emotions feed each other. How can your hands touching or above a client, possibly change the thoughts which are imprinted in thousands of neuropathways in the brain, formed there in childhood, repeatedly activated throughout  the day?

    “With regard to emotions, everything is energy. We are always in a constant state of movement”- a constant state of movement, yes.

    “At this level (The Sacral Center) we have the experience of fluidity in ourselves… the element of water”- the fluidity of water in the context of emotional movement, or fluidity- is that a more solid, slower fluidity than that of air, safer perhaps. My goodness, it just occurred to me, connecting the stress in my gut and fluidity, when I forget to drink enough water first thing in the morning and through the day, the stress increases many times over. We do need to hydrate ourselves, to not forget how necessary it is.

    I read your post part by part and add my thoughts, and here I now read your mention of the digestive system, but in regard to “comfort eating as a way of dealing with our feelings”- more as a way of not dealing with our feelings, not having our feelings in our awareness. Instead, we mask the discomfort of such awareness with flavor, with the excitation of eating… that inborn draw to food. For a baby, all her needs are in that milk/ food. As we grow up (grow-in, too often, as in shoulders curved forward, closing the chest), we shut down so much of what we are, of what we need, that the only thing we still reach out to, open to is food, the earliest and most basic, instinctive need of all living things.

    “The fight/flight/freeze response”- it is activated whenever we perceive danger, which can be this thought:  what is this or that person thinking about me? This very thought, italicized, is a perceived danger for so many. This thought activates adrenaline which prepares for the two common reactions to perceived danger: fight or flight, both demanding a quick and massive energy output.

    “The energy in motion which creates feelings of calm and relaxation is the breath”- yes, the open-chest yoga postures, the opening of the chest, allowing breath. Every guided meditation I know about starts and ends with the breath.

    “This is the air element which relates to the Heart Center… Too much energy in the heart center creates anxiety”- too much of anything does, doesn’t it, moderation is key, not too much, not too little.

    “Energy follows thought.. Thought creates”-  only if movement follows the thoughts: if the thoughts remain in between our ears with no expression in movement aimed at materializing the thoughts, then there is no reality to the thought outside that short distance between our ears.

    “The lower the vibration, the denser the matter (teeth, bones, nails)”- yes: molecules in air move a whole lot, vibrate. Molecules in solid move less, vibrate less. I wonder how this relates to thoughts, emotions, and actions.

    Thank you so much, Peggy. I didn’t expect to get so much out of communicating with you. This is fascinating to me, to use my “beginner’s mind” as I read your posts here. “Awesome” indeed!

    anita

     

    #308259
    Peggy
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    For most people, the majority of tension is held in the neck, shoulders, head – furrowed brow, grinding teeth, jaw may be jutting out, constricted blood vessels leading to headaches.  Some people may begin with tension predominantly in their abdomen but eventually, if left unattended, a chain reaction is set up in the body and to a greater or lesser degree, any and all areas of the body can be affected once the areas of tension have become established.  Shoulders frequently carry emotional burdens which weigh us down and possibly originates in the individual not having been supported very well emotionally.  The closing in of the shoulders can also be a way of protecting the heart (not very efficiently) but our body does the best it can at the time.

    Negative thoughts create negative emotions.  Positive thoughts create positive emotions.  I am sure that we have abstract thoughts which can come and go without having any significant impact on the body because they are neutral.  Ultimately, we need to be aiming for balance so wherever we are on the positive/negative swing, it is relatively easy for us to return to the state of equilibrium.

    Thoughts (Brow Center) vibrate at a higher rate than emotions (Sacral Center) and if action taken refers to physical action then I’m guessing that the Root Center (lowest vibration) would be involved.

    Healing is far easier to carry out than discuss as it is such a vast subject and our bodies have such an amazing capacity to self heal.  Healers are really just facilitators of the self healing process and whatever healing energy is received by the client will be distributed and prioritized by the intelligent force operating within.

    I will respond to your question on how can healing impact on thoughts/neurological pathways later.  I think the most probable answer lies in a scientific explanation which I will do some research on.

    I wasn’t expecting to enter into this kind of communication either but it’s good for me to refresh my memory in this way and even though I know what healing can achieve, I still find it awesome.

    Peggy

     

    #308261
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Peggy:

    I want t0 take in your recent post sentence by sentence, the way I processed your previous post. I will be able to do so tomorrow morning, when I expect my brain to be fresh and ready. If you add a message for me before I return, I will read and process it as well. I may reply shortly to other threads before I get away from the computer but will be back to this thread and our communication (for which I am grateful) in about 18 hours from now.

    anita

    #308327
    Peggy
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Having given further thought to your question on how healing can impact on thoughts, I would like to switch this around.  One of the primary functions of healing is it’s ability to induce a state of relaxation, albeit a temporary altered state.  Imagine that you were in a state similar to sleep but with more awareness, a state which felt comfortable, safe and right somehow, a state from which you were reluctant to return, how easy do you think it would be to relinquish any thoughts that were going to disturb you in this place of being?  These thoughts may have served a useful purpose long, long ago but have now become embedded, reinforced by habitual thinking and are no longer serving you well.  Healers are creating the conditions where the release of such unwanted thought patterns becomes easier.

    You, the client, have already shown your willingness to be healed and, in so doing, you are surrendering to the healer.  The healer in turn is surrendering to the force of healing.  This all takes a great deal of co-operation, trust and belief.  The client is not ‘done to’ as such but is an active and willing participant in the whole process.

    I did have some more thoughts on the closed-in posture you say you have adopted and I was wondering if this might be a sub-conscious desire to return to the womb (taking up the foetal position).  The womb might be seen as a safe place to be where all our needs are met during the gestation period, surrounded with fluid, having the rhythmic sound of a heartbeat.

    The Sacral Center is also seen as the Creative Center for the obvious reason that it houses the reproductive organs but it also relates to how we create our lives and for some people this might mean creating literature, art, music, sculpture, fine architecture, a well tended garden, culinary and home making skills etc.

    I will leave you to absorb these thoughts and look forward to your feedback.

    I am intending to open a new topic later and forward a poem that you, Kylin and other TB users might resonate with, as I did.

    Peggy

     

    #308351
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Peggy:

    Once again, I thank you for your time, your efforts, your generosity.

    The reason I type your first sentence, then type my thoughts about it, then go to the next sentence that stands up for me, type my thoughts etc., is that this is how I process information, it sinks this way better and connections are made in my brain with prior information or experience. It gives me an opportunity to see things as if for the first time, so I may read material I read before, even studied, but see something new in it. In addition, here, I will look up info regarding certain things and add it here, make it my study this way. I hope this is okay with you, please let me know.

    “For most people, the majority of tension is held in the neck, shoulders, head… constricted blood vessels leading to headaches. Some people may begin with tension predominantly in their abdomen”- I thought about this, in relation to our communication-

    -the diaphragm, this is where the tension is held primarily for most people, isn’t it. I looked up Wikipedia, it reads: Shallow breathing, or thoracic/chest breathing is the drawing of minimal breath into the lungs.. using the intercostal muscles (several groups of muscles that run between the ribs.. They are mainly involved in the mechanical aspect of breathing). On the other hand deep breathing, or diaphragmatic/ abdominal/belly breathing also known as eupnea, is using the diaphragm (a muscle located horizontally above the abdominal cavity), it is a natural and relaxed form of breathing in all mammals. It occurs in  mammals “whenever they are in a state of relaxation, i.e. when there is no clear and present danger in their environment. When a mammal perceives a potential danger, eupnea stops, and a much more limited and labored form of breathing occurs. Elsewhere I read: “Chest breathing causes an upset in the oxygen and carbon dioxide levels in the body resulting in increased heart rate, dizziness, muscle tension, and other physical sensations. Your blood is not being properly oxygenated”

    – so breathing has to be a first priority thing to attend, just as we hold the majority of tension (back to your words) in the neck, shoulders, head, we also hold it in the diaphragm, meaning it is not relaxed, meaning we don’t breathe deeply, and when this happens chronically we suffer from a chronic state of lack of upset in the oxygen/ CO2 levels. We have to relax all these constricted, tight muscles, including and probably beginning with the diaphragm.

    “Some people may begin with tension predominantly in their abdomen but eventually.. any and all areas of the body can be affected once areas of tension have been established”- you can tell a whole lot about a person’s chronic stress levels by looking at them then, the body posture, I imagine this was part of your studies, yes, I am sure of it, studying shoulder posture/ alignment of the head-neck-shoulders-back as evidence of where the tension is.

    “Negative thoughts create negative emotions. Positive thoughts create positive emotions.. abstract thoughts.. without having any significant impact on the body because they are neutral”- yes. Let’s take a situation: a person looks in my direction, one person may think: he/ she is looking at me because I look attractive (positive thought), another thinks: he/ she is looking at me because I look repulsive (negative thought). What happens is that the same situation brings about positive or negative thoughts depending on Core Beliefs, these are thoughts energized by emotions formed early on and are the basis of interpretation of many observations we make, events in our lives.

    “Ultimately, we need to be aiming for balance so wherever we are on the positive/negative swing, it is relatively easy for us to  return to the state of equilibrium”- this state of equilibrium requires for many a changing of Core Beliefs, the basis of many thousands of thoughts every day, because incorrect and distressing core beliefs keep generating that negative energy all through the day. In addition to correcting core beliefs, muscular habits need to be changed, chest breathing changed to belly breathing, shoulder muscles relaxed and so forth.

    “Thoughts (Brow Center) vibrate at a higher rate than emotions (Sacral Center) and .. physical action.. (Root Center (lowest vibration)”- I think it means, at least partly, that thoughts come and go quickly (like air moving through, a wind), emotions stay longer (like water) and physical actions are most solid, visibly there. We do have to mind our action because it is solid, next priority of mindful focus- our emotions, they are powerful, and lowest priority of mindful focus, perhaps, our thoughts, because they are like air.

    “Healers are really just facilitators of the self healing process… by the intelligent force operating within”- I noticed this in nature, I live in a wooded area, lots of trees, plants animals all around me. I noticed the trees, how when injured, they keep growing in alternative directions. I noticed how strong Life is, how persistent it is, how creative, stubborn, resilient.. and yet, every individual animal dies sooner or later. But life keeps going.

    “One of the primary functions of healing is its ability to induce a state of relaxation, albeit a temporary altered state.. a state similar to sleep but with more awareness.. a state which felt comfortable, safe… a state from which you were reluctant to return, how easy do you think it would be to relinquish any thoughts that were going to disturb you..?”- safe is what we all want, it is the lack of it, the perception of lack of safety that keeps us in this chronic alert state, anxiety, shallow breathing, tense shoulders, headaches and many other symptoms and illnesses. Safety= no disturbance.

    “Healers are creating the conditions where the release of such unwanted thoughts pattern becomes easier”- healers produce relaxation then, an awareness of safety, calm, and in that state those thoughts don’t get activated.

    “You, the client, have already shown your willingness to be healed and,  in so doing, you are surrendering to the healer. The healer in turn is surrendering to the force of healing. This all takes a great deal of co-operation, trust and belief. The client is not ‘done to’ as such but is an active and willing participant in the whole process”- in this very paragraph, articulated so well, you explained very well, to me, what your profession is about, this very co-operation, this surrender. I will think further about surrendering, I feel that there is something there for me to understand more of, in this context.

    “the closed-in posture you say you have adopted and I was wondering if this might be a sub-conscious desire to return to the womb (taking up the fetal position). The womb might be seen as a safe place to be where all our needs met.. surrounded by fluid, having the rhythmic sound of a heartbeat”- as I read these lines, I thought: no, not to my mother’s womb, not to  her womb, no. Having been in her womb, born to her, was a misfortune, a curse, really. Perhaps a point of interest, she was anorexic or bulimic when pregnant with me, I was born breech, legs first (didn’t turn) and was underweight all through childhood, late to develop.

    “The Sacral Center is also seen as the Creative Center for the obvious reason that it houses the reproductive organs”- interesting you ended your most recent post with this- about ten days ago a tumor the size of a lemon, so I was told, was discovered in my .. Sacral Center, I suppose, by the right ovary. A blood test for cancer markers came out negative. An MRI is scheduled for next week. a surgery is probably next.

    I am looking forward to your new topic/ thread and to read the poem you intend to forward.

    anita

    #308369
    Peggy
    Participant

    Hello Anita,

    I am sorry that you had such a disastrous start to life.  It’s a wonder you survived at all.  You must have a really strong, fighting spirit.  I wish someone had told me before I had my children that every child that is ever born is a miracle.  I didn’t come to appreciate that until they were grown.  It should be taught everywhere.  I think the world would improve 10,000 fold if we all felt valued in that way.

    It sounds as if you have basically understood my posts.  With regard to the diaphragm, we were taught that this is such a large muscle that when the diaphragm relaxes, then generally the whole body relaxes.  The diaphragm relaxing really refers to breathing out.  You may have noticed me advocating once or twice that people place one hand at the base of their rib cage on the soft area (solar plexus) and breathe into it.  This is how you can check and modify your breathing.  You need to be able to feel this area expanding and then you will be able to tell that the breath is being taken down into the base of the lungs.  I don’t know why you would want more than this (belly breathing?) as oxygen is distributed via the lungs and veins to every cell in the body.  You can also put your other hand on the center of your chest roughly level with the top of your bosom or slanting upwards to check where the most movement is.  There should be greater movement in the lower hand than the upper hand.  This might take some practice if you are used to permanently shallow breathing.

    On the subject of safety, this again comes from the Root Center and our first experience of safety should be within the home (our family, our roots).  Of course, you never really had that so you need to create that for yourself in the sense that you belong on Earth to which you are magnetically attached.  When I feel the need to earth myself, I either visualize magnets on the base of my feet or roots growing down through the Earth’s crust.  I know it sounds weird but it does work.

    ‘Surrendering’  just means giving yourself over as you would for any other treatment such as your MRI scan.

    Please let me know how your tests go.

    Peggy

    #308379
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Peggy:

    I am again not very focused at this time of the day, so I will re-read your recent post tomorrow. I want to google and see the location of the solar plexus. I placed my hand below the ribs, at the top area of the abdomen, it is helpful, good suggestion. I think that this practice will get me to a better awareness of what is adequate breathing, as mine is definitely inadequate, shallow.

    I noticed you started your own thread and will go there next. Would you like me to continue to communicate with you here on this thread?

    anita

    #308383
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Peggy:

    Thank you for your empathy and suggesting that I have a strong fighting spirit.

    To clarify regarding communicating further:

    You wrote, “It sounds as if you have basically understood my posts”- I am satisfied with that and don’t need to ask you questions at this point or dig deeper into the nature of your healing work.

    What I would like to take with me further at this point is the practical understanding of what is adequate breathing (inhaling and exhaling).  I want to try what you suggested regarding placing the hands on the chest and abdomen.

    You asked me to let you know about my test results- here in this thread or in the one you started today?

    I looked at your thread and it does require my full, focused attention, meaning I will read it tomorrow morning, in about 17 hours from now.

    anita

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