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March 15, 2018 at 12:31 am #197337nextstepsParticipant
I meant Eckert rolled for the YouTube videos for the Ted talks, there are so many, but I liked one about a man playing classical music.. I will try and post that and also any by Mel Robbins.
March 15, 2018 at 12:50 am #197339nextstepsParticipantI was just thinking about your post so I hope you don’t mind if I post again. If you do mind after reading my posts, please just tell me.
You said you have a hatred against men and also hated against the women that the men seem to like. In terms of your childhood it seemed to me like the men in your life e.g. your grandfather was the one that wanted to help you find a therapist. That didn’t work out at that time and it sounded like he had some personal issues too dealing with the death of his wife, but just because it didn’t work out then doesn’t mean it won’t now. You father didn’t see you but that may have been because your mother’s family didn’t want him too and he may have feared rejection by you coming back into your life later on as an adult or justified his position in many ways in his head. Without an honest conversation with him (which isn’ possible now) we will never know. That’s okay. Some things we will never know. My last thought is that, most people live their life struggling with their own issues, needs and desires and so tend to avoid anything in life that makes life harder than it has to be e.g. confrontation, honesty when it could hurt people’s feelings etc as life itself, as you are posting about Here, is hard enough. That’s just a survival and coping mechanism and We all do it I think at one point or another, perhaps unconsciously. My point here is that even if it looks like people have a perfect life from what you see, you don’t know their struggles, challenges, what pain they carry with them so we, when we feel less than and down, are not alone, we are exactly like everyone else just trying to live life whilst carrying pain around.
In think therapy and hard work can help to get rid of some pain. But for me it’ very much a work in progress. There are good and bad days, much like you have described on these posts.
March 16, 2018 at 11:36 am #197717LisaParticipantThank you nextsteps and Anita…I am currently involved in a time consuming project today and will get back to you as soon as I can.
March 20, 2018 at 6:47 pm #198489LisaParticipantI want to apologize for not getting to you yet. I am not doing well. Just wanted you to know that I do intend to post about the wonderful advice you have given me and your thoughts. I am just unable to to respond right now.
March 21, 2018 at 3:51 am #198535AnonymousGuestDear Lisa:
I appreciate your notices above, that you will be responding later. When in the past you wrote that you will be back later to respond, you always kept your word, each and every time. I appreciate you for being trustworthy, dependable.
Looking forward to your responses, when you are able.
anita
March 30, 2018 at 5:31 am #200061LisaParticipantAnita, in almost every situation I put myself, there is at least one person who is greatly annoyed by my presence. People either seem to think very highly of me or think I should be ridiculed. I understand that not everyone is going to like me. That I understand. I don’t like everyone I work with but I would never belittle or be irrationally irritable with them based on their own personal style of speaking, humor….unless it was insulting towards someone. I wouldn’t expect people I manage to be me. I also wouldn’t single people out for criticisms and allow others to do whatever they want. If I feel something should be done a certain way then I expect that from everyone.
You know there were pros and cons to the Catholic education that I received. A few of the nuns not all were very tough on me and unsupportive when I was the victum of bullying outside my school. Don’t know if I told that story…all I can say is I was the victum and I was not shown compassion by a couple of nuns at my school.
One thing I could say though that it didn’t matter to the nuns if you were in the popular group or the not so popular group or the unpopular group….we were all the same and no one was above criticism and if anyone’s ego got too big it was definately checked. As wrongly as I was treated by some of the nuns and some teachers I still viewed that school as a sanctuary where no one really got special treatment. We were all subject to criticism. No one was put on a pedestal. No one was above anyone else in the eyes of the nuns.
My elementary school was my sanctuary. When I left there my life fell apart. Even though they could mean to me outside I wasn’t protected by the authority of the nuns. Teachers were different in public high school. The working world was the same way.
I have always wanted to do the right thing even when it turns out I didn’t do the right thing. It always felt as if an obstacle would appear and trip me up from what I intend to do. My intentions are good but it’s almost like I can’t have them. Someone wants me to not do well no matter how many roadblocks they put up.
I know I may perceive incorrectly other people’s intentions Anita but the ones who I feel target me…it just feels like they are there to squelch any possibility that I be successful in my attempt to be accepted. There efforts are very pointedly done.
I am not about survival of the fittest, I do not want life to be a game and I do not want to act a certain way to receive love.
March 30, 2018 at 5:32 am #200063LisaParticipantNextsteps I am absolutely going to respond to you today in a few hours.
March 30, 2018 at 7:29 am #200079AnonymousGuestDear Lisa:
I think you made a couple of very good points that didn’t occur to me just this way before:
1. “I would never belittle or be irrationally irritable with them based on their own personal style of speaking, humor… unless it was insulting towards someone”. This point reminds me of how often I heard my mother belittle others and express irrational irritation, even intense anger, toward people because of their personal style, the way the dress, or walk, the way their talk, the way they looked, even though these ways were not insulting to anyone. My mother expressed this in words and tone, gossiping a lot about people, expressing her disapproval and irritation. I did the same mostly thinking about it, but then, my irritation must have been expressed somehow.
I have become more accepting and hope to continue to be accepting and tolerant of what you call fittingly, “personal styles” that are not insulting to anyone.
2. “I also wouldn’t single people out for criticism and allow others to do whatever they want. If I feel something should be done a certain way then I expect that from everyone”- very well stated, for me. This is a very important element of Integrity.
I see that although the nuns mistreated you, the fact that they mistreated everyone the same way was comforting, as the element of equal treatment was there. I see how irritating and troubling it is for you to be treated differently than others, I see. I understand it too. I like the principle, equal treatments of others.
Thank you for this informative and teaching post. Excellent.
anita
March 30, 2018 at 5:14 pm #200189LisaParticipantNextsteps,
Thank you for reading my story. I have had a very difficult few weeks and still trying to feel better. Thank you.
I don’t know why I don’t acknowledge that others are alone as well. It does feel like I am the only one. Maybe because I can only imagine me feeling these things about me but can not fathom others feeling this way.
I am looking for someone to care and advice. What I want more than anything though is for someone to explain to me why? Someone that can really see into my life and tell me why I am treated the way I am, why I am ignored by men and why things “happen” to me. I know other people can’t do that, especially if they don’t know me personally. It seems I just have to understand why?
I am back to my goals slowly. Trying to feel better. I have thought about what you said about nature and how terrible things happen to others. It makes me wonder why them? Why anyone?
I do agree with you that some things that happen to us could be a learning experience. There are times I do believe things happen for a reason but I just don’t understand why we or anyone else has to go through these things.
I am sorry to hear that you have felt alone. I do want to meditate but I am not disciplined enough. I have listened to meditations as I have fallen asleep. Thank you for the suggestion and I will check out the one you like.
Thank you also for the online therapy suggestions. I have had not much luck with therapists but I also might not have come this far without them. I understand that I should have patience but it has been a long time waiting to even have a basic life. I haven’t given up though. Thank you for recommending a journal. I love journals.
I would love to get a dog but I am not able to have one at the moment. If someday I have my own home and hopefully be home more I can have a pet. I have thought about letting go of my one job because not only is it physically exhausting it takes away a lot of my time. It also doesn’t have health benefits and my new job will if I can become full time there. I do have to take care of myself because I am waiting for someone to rescue me and no one is interested in doing that. I feel obligated to stay with the dogs I take care of at my older job even though I know there are other people that care for them and they have good homes.
You know I can’t reject anyone including jobs. I feel a sense of obligation to anyone I help. I wonder if one of the reasons I have never dated is the possibility of rejecting someone. Dating is unpredictable and I do not like what I can not control.
I would love to have a job as a writer. One of the reasons that I thought about leaving my first job was because I wanted to start a career as a writer. I would also love to spend time drawing and painting. I have only done these things for friends and family.
Thank you for the many suggestions of people to listen to. I will check them out tonight. I am trying to lift myself up again.
Thank you again,
Lisa
April 28, 2018 at 5:18 am #204623LisaParticipantI have made a few changes. I am no longer at my first job. I gave notice a little over two weeks ago and I am in transition mode. I will miss the animals I cared for but promised to visit them as much as I can.
I am embarking on my own personal career starting Monday morning. I have been organizing and getting supplies. I have all the tools to do well except discipline. I day dream, I think too long about things…discipline, confidence and perseverance are actually what I need the most.
I have kept my second job because of course I need it. I do like it there but it’s not my dream.
I hope that if I become more confident that I could find a man who doesn’t just admire me from afar. I am confused because men have said I am attractive (strangely enough married men) but that’s it. After that nothing.
I feel that if I can focus on my dreams I will become more attractive on an intellectual level rather than just a physical one.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
April 28, 2018 at 5:24 am #204629AnonymousGuestDear Lisa:
Congratulations for making some changes and embarking on your own personal career starting Monday, three days from now. I do wish you practice the discipline, confidence and perseverance that you need to have. Be as gentle with yourself as you can be, and patient. Take it one step at a time, sometimes one moment at a time, proceed attentively (mindfully), cautiously, slowly.
anita
May 23, 2018 at 1:23 pm #209013LisaParticipantIn my world it exists, in my dreams it exists, in my soul it exists, I believe it exists…but in the real world love does not exist. You can not see love so in 2018 it doesn’t exist to the majority of people. Money exists, sex exists, status exists, Real Estate exists and everything you have to be and do to aquire those things exists. People are under the illusion that they love but how much would they love if they didn”t get some kind of pay off? How many people would marry if they received no monetary or physical pay off from it? It’s like selling yourself isn’t it? A product on a shelf for people to pick and choose from.
Marriage should be rare and with no demands. No demanded gift on Valentine’s Day, Mother’s day, Birthday. It’s not love to demand gifts yet men do it because they get some kind of pay off. I don’t like business. I don’t like money, I don’t like meaningless exchanges, I don’t like aggressive, ill mannered people….I don’t belong in this world and yet I’m here. I want to be here but I am different thanks to many reasons.
Without going into detail, I am depressed because I am disliked by some for reasons unknown to me. I am friendly and complimentary to these people but I sense a real resentment from them. These are different people in different times in my life. These women have families, boyfriends, friends, admirers. I admire them too but they don’t let me. They are nice to me sometimes but other times I sense a deep resentment. I can not explain fully because I have to go to work.
I apologize for the post but I am not feeling well.
- This reply was modified 6 years, 7 months ago by Lisa.
May 24, 2018 at 3:20 am #209071AnonymousGuestDear Lisa:
Glad to read from you, not glad you are not feeling well.
You wrote: “I am depressed because I am disliked by some for reasons unknown to me…I sense a real resentment from them”-
Thing is, you dislike most people and you are resentful of a whole lot of people. Reality is not that there is you, Lisa, who likes everyone and is anger free and for some reason is disliked.
You dislike almost everyone, and you are angry at almost everyone. I figure some of your anger shows even if you are not aware that it does. It probably shows on your face, in your body language otherwise, in the tone of your voice.
anita
May 24, 2018 at 5:40 am #209097LisaParticipantAnita it is very difficult to describe a situation and my experience to you without you having a front row seat to what has been going on. Especially at my new job I have gone the extra mile to appear happy with everyone. I have taken supplements, tea, stress throat drops…I have been upbeat and smiling and let everything roll off my back. I haven’t just “not be angry.” I have appeared happy and smiling and mannerly. I accepted an invitation to go to a party. I have filled in when they needed help. I couldn’t possibly be any more aggreeable and it’s still me?
I have had these women who resent me around me since I can remember anything. They don’t like that I whistle, They don’t like the way I say I’m sorry, they jump in and answer questions that are asked of me before I have a chance to speak and then act like I didn’t know the answer. If I speak to someone or show 5 seconds of a conversation with something they go into action and want to give me something to do. That is fine if that was the case for everyone. I observed two of my co workers talking for a bit and nothing was said so my question is why is it imperative to these women that I not do anything but to be put to work. I want to use my mind at work but she talks about me cleaning. She says oh “you like that.” No I do not want to clean. I want to do or be appreciated for something else.
She creates problems for me that do not exist. Telling me something was in a tray when I said we were out of something. She turned around and nastily said to me “Lisa it was in there.” I said was it underneath something? She said no it was right on top. I know what I saw so I was like that is really weird. I know what I saw and if I miss a stack of something really important with my hand actually in the empty tray…I wouldn’t be able to function at my job ever. The truth is I am very good at what I do. I let it slide and laughed it off.
Another thing they do and it’s foolish of me to hope for a different attitude from them is sometimes they are nice to me, my guard is down because I give people who I love or people who have my career fate in their hands endless chances to be nicer to me. My guard is down and they try to sabatoge my job.
You don’t believe it because tou don’t see it. Unfortunality I do not have a secret movie camera for anyone to watch my interactions with people. There are so many people that like me there but they do not control the critique of my job performance. Some women are absolutely determined that I fail and then make it look like my fault. I have lower level managers that praise me and like me but not the ones that can really decide how I do.
Do you know how exhausting it is to navigate around bullies when you feel as defeated and lonely as I do? Let every woman experience that instead of getting a free ride handed to them through their fathers or husbands. These are the same women that love to villianize women that did it on their own. I doubt they would be as successful at what THEY do if they didn’t so much help. Marriage should not be legal but just a spiritual or philisophical union that has no money or real estate benefits. I will tell you what will hapoen. It will be labeled old fashion. Every person should be rreated like a single person and then we will see who comes out on top. Not too many sponge off of others women who do not know how to take care of themselves. They wouldn’t last 6 months having to do everything completely and totally alone. They wouldn’t but they should be made to. Maybe then they wouldn’t be sitting up on their high horse looking down on other women while manipulating men.
I have to navigate around bullies and OF COURSE no matter sunny I have been, no matter how many times I have laughed along with them, complimented them, no matter how many times I have let borderline verbal abuse slide off my back it’s still my fault…and for someone who witnesses the scenes and knows how I behaived I do not know what else to turn to or who to ask for help. I do not dare go above them because opening that can of worms of me trying to tell someone that I am being bullied puts my bullies into I don’t know what she is talking about mode.
The only relief I get from this unhappy life is to have the outlet to tell the truth and if you want to know the truth about marriage and relationships today there it is. Too bad.
May 24, 2018 at 6:16 am #209107AnonymousGuestDear Lisa;
Of course I believe you have encountered and still are encountering injustice. Of course I know that there are aggressive people, bullies in the workplace, in families, elsewhere. I know these things and I know that you are angry at the injustices you suffer from.
Aren’t you angry at the injustices in your life?
anita
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