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  • #190589
    Anonymous
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    Dear Lisa:

    It occurred to me, after posting the above, remembering that you wrote that you are stubborn: I think that the only counter experience you are open to is what I described, that saint of a man pursuing you (saint because of how lovingly he will have to react to you when you are distressed, as  you are so often)- that is the only corrective experience you are open to. No other.

    If you would like, can you describe that scenario, after all you are the best source for such a description, what kind of corrective experience will prove to you what you need proven, how will it be like?

    anita

    #190901
    Lisa
    Participant

    I can, I will try to respond by tonight but still at work.

    #195179
    Lisa
    Participant

    I want to respond to the scenario you wrote about Anita about the “saint of a man” but I haven’t been feeling well and dealing with other things. I will get around to responding to that thoroughly but for now can only say it would be nice to have even a small fraction of understanding and support you describe as I have not experienced even a little of that kind of support from a man. There are women out there that demand a lot from their husbands and boyfriends and they get it but I am not willing to play games or act as if I’m their boss. I would accept who they are if they would accept me. Acceptance is a two way street. No one accepts me.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
    #195185
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lisa:

    Glad to read from you. I thought about you yesterday, wondering if and when you return to your thread. Glad you are back.

    You wrote that you are not willing to play games. I don’t want to play games either, to dishonestly manipulate anyone. It bothers me when I behave in a way I feel is not authentic.

    It would have been wonderful indeed if you met a man who was authentic with you, honest, and with whom you could be the same, one who cared about your well being as you cared about his. Thing is, you’ve been alone for so long, troubled for so long, believing some things about people and life that are not true to reality… I believe… that such a loving relationship that you always wanted is not likely. Never happened and may not happen.

    How I do wish it did happen for you.

    anita

     

    #195643
    Ramon
    Participant

    I am  41 years old, male. I am from the Philippines.

    I need to talk about my situation to anyone or somebody. I never seem to find someone who can relate to my circumstances and situation, and I get depressed and I feel defeated because of this. Most especially when friends and family would even blame me for all the undesired things that happened and is happening in my life then and now.

    It all started about 5 years ago. I am in my final year of training in Cardiology, specialising in Echocardiography at the Philippine Heart Center. I could say that I was doing so great and I am one of the brightest young doctors-in-training then. I was very critical in my analysis, active in research, and very thorough in my patient observation, and case diagnosis and discussion. I am able to „wow“ my superiors in case conferences and case discussions. I have delivered clear and comprehensive, undeniably complicated discussions and lectures to such simplicity and cohesiveness, that I was able to connect several points of unrelated topics to a single, united, solid explanation. I was even the first fellow-in-training to have conducted a very specialized and advanced comprehensive lecture about 3D echocardiography in a national Convention of Echocardiographers here in Manila, Philippines. I have delivered it so well and I was so astounded that everybody in the hall was so quiet after the lecture but a few minutes later only to burst into a standing ovation. I felt so elated. I was considered an expert in 3D Echocardiography… I was a star. My colleagues even branded me names. I was called „the Professor“. I felt proud and I felt I deserved the accolades since I have worked hard for these things. I always loved my work and I always gave my best to it. Everything then seems to be working great. It was the last month of my training, after which, graduation follows and be considered a full-fledged Cardiologist-Echocardiographer, and be conferred all the privileges and the rights of one. But something happened. I did not graduate. I did not get my diploma. A month before the graduation, I was charged and accused of offenses in the Heart Center. Very terrible and unfounded accusations were thrown at me. Small things that would not even matter were made big and used against me. I was accused of neglect of my duties, copying/plagiarizing researches, and disrespect of superiors. I was marked incomplete and unfit for graduation since I missed the final examination. I missed it because I was deliberately not informed of the schedule. The way all these things happened appears to me a big conspiracy to obstruct and prevent me from getting my diploma. I felt confused, terrified, helpless and crushed. All 4 years of training in Cardiology seem to have been wasted, all for nothing. My friends and colleagues distance themselves away from me. Some of them were even threatened by superiors, if in any way my friends would help me or petition support and justice for me. I cannot even find support from my immediate superiors. I was left alone. I was told to resign. They told me it is the easy way out. I tried to fight for my rights. A panel/tribune was formed to investigate my case. The verdict was biased. They are telling me to just resign. I thought that I would not resign because I have not violated anything that may constitute a resignation. I thought that it would be easier for them to get rid off me if I were to resign. I tried to reason out to them, and I fought. I consulted a lawyer for my rights. While the investigation was on-going, and it was now supposedly my last 2 weeks of training before graduation, I was suspended from the institution. I continued to come everyday for I was not given a formal suspension letter, only a verbal one. My immediate Superior forced me to go home and he literally dragged me and my bag out of the hospital. This was witnessed by a lot of people in the lobby and I was so terribly ashamed and scared. I almost cried in front of them. I just went home. It was so traumatic for me. They never listened to me and Graduation came without me included. For several weeks that followed I stayed home alone. I did not tell it to my parents. Sooner they have found out. The sad thing about it is that they blame me. They said that I have poor interpersonal relationships, and I should have done this or that. I felt so bad and felt that it is all my fault, and I have destroyed my future.

    I was heart broken. In all aspects of my life. Yes, including in matters of love. During my stay in the Philippine Heart Center, I had a love-interest in my department. She was the perfect girl for me. We had a couple of dates. I tried to woo her. I could sense and see that she likes me and I very much like her. But then terrible things happened. She was talked to stay away from me. I knew she was forced to do so. She was new in the department and she is on probation. She could easily be removed from the job and the job matters to her and her family. Yes she stopped seeing me and she wouldn’t even respond to my text messages. Then things happened fast, before long I was fighting for my own „air“ just to get my certification, the one thing that I have aspired for and worked hard for for the past 4 years. But I did not get it. Likewise, I broke my heart when my love-interest turned away from me.

    My friends-in-training were nowhere to be found also. They promised to help me by petitioning the higher-up superiors to reconsider my case. But they were threatened. Threatened not to graduate also if they do something to help me. Even my superiors whom I considered friends, and father-figure now despised and avoided me. It felt so terrible. I could not help but blame myself for what had happened. Then I asked myself why is it happening to me – after all those sacrifices, night duties, researches, and services that I have given…

    I have contributed significantly to research in the Center. Weeks after my dismissal, I have come to know that my name was stripped off from my papers, and publications of colleagues which I have co-authored of. It was so painful. I could not even imagine that they would go to such extent! I was furious and in-pain. I could not do anything. I felt that everything was being done to erase my name from the institution, and even from Cardiology and Echocardiography itself.

    I tried to rebuild myself again. I went back to my province and tried to establish my private practice in my hometown. Unfortunately things did not end there. It was communicated in the province through the Philippine Heart Association that I did not finished my training and I am restricted to doing Echocardiographic procedures. While it is true that I have not finished my training for the remaining 2 weeks because I was suspended, I can say with conviction that I am one of the most competent in my field if not the best. My past keeps on haunting me, and I felt so powerless. They are destroying my reputation until this time. What is sad is even my family still blames me for it. And every unfortunate thing that happens in my work, my family seems not take my side. I love my parents, and I care for them but I feel so degraded when they blame me for things, and convincing me to be someone who I am not. Yes they tell me to just be like this person, like this doctor who knows how to „play“ around things and people. And yet I feel that is not the way they have brought me up. And when I look at them, that is not exactly who they are like also. What I mean is I knew I did my best, and that is who I am and should I change myself to someone that I am not? I am confused. I felt trapped, that if I continue to be stubborn and insist myself I may end up on the same terrible path. Whereas if I change to someone that I am not, I may lose myself and feel even more depressed and unhappy. I am trying to fight for what I beleidigt and what I am right now. I don‘t just know if it is should be this way. I feel tired, and depressed.

    I made some steps to pull myself out. I thought of moving out of the country. I have tried to look for work and further training abroad. It is not easy though especially if one comes from a third world country like me. I have tried to learn German language. I am fascinated about German culture and behavior. I imagine and think that maybe I behave more like them – their quirks and peculiarities. I really don‘t know. All I want for now is to get away elsewhere where I can find myself again. I want to find my own „tribe“. It is not easy though. Studying another language takes time and patience. I have come to realize this in the past 2 years that I am up to it. Moving away abroad takes money also. For this I am trying to save up. There are tests to be passed to get certified to practice medicine in other countries. It is hard. Sometimes I want to give up. It feels like I this is not going anywhere. My progress is really slow. Maybe because I am getting too old for studying. I am turning 42 years old this April. I am getting frustrated and tired of life. I feel lonely. To top it all, my parents are even discouraging me to leave. They are getting old, and in our culture, children are usually tasked to take care of their parents in their old age. But I am not happy anymore. I feel stuck. I feel life has not been good to me. I have given myself away and I can‘t find myself now. I feel sorry for my past younger ambitious self. I thought I have left him down. Whenever I look back it pains me. Whenever I look forward, everything seems bleak and blurry. Whenever I look to myself now, I always think I deserve something better than this and it does not have to be this way. But what must I do? I am doing what I can. Or maybe just stop trying? Let go? I have read about „letting go“ in a couple of books and writings already and I just can‘t seem to grasp its meaning. Would letting go mean also of letting go our true self, our very aspirations and dreams? Would it also mean being mediocre? Be abused? I am confused. Please help.

    #195839
    Lisa
    Participant

    I would like to help Ramon but don’t quite understand what happened. I mean you go into a lot but I feel there are missing pieces.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
    • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
    #195847
    Anonymous
    Guest

    * Dear Ramon: if you would like the input of other members, will you start your own thread?  Click Forums above and go from there. You can copy your post above and paste it into your thread where you are the original poster. I will reply to you there.

    anita

    #196199
    Lisa
    Participant

    Feel free to post in my thread. I don’t mind others receiving help in it…unless you think it’s more practical to make a new thread.

    #196367
    Lisa
    Participant

    I have to always be understanding.

    I always have to keep my mouth shut.

    I have to be available to work all the time.

    I am asked to work whenever it’s known that I am not working.

    I can not be bothered by slights and people being annoyed at me for the way I speak, whistle, sensitivities, the way I count things. Everything about me is not seen as endearing or admirable. I get eyerolls left and right for almost everything I say and do.

    When I am upset about the lack of caring I feel people who expect me to be nice all the time get rigid with me.

    They can be irrationally upset about things I do by mistake but I can not be upset with what they do intentionally.

    I don’t get back what I give no matter what anyone thinks they know is right. That is not true for everyone and to blame people for how they are treated is insulting.

    Let someone else get help on my thread. I want someone to get help. I want it to be productive in some way.

    I have to go into work again tonight on my day off and that is what I’m good for. No one is worried about overworking me. I wont turn them down because I want full time. It seems I am working full time but not having full time benefits.

    I can not quit my other job because I am not guaranteed a certain amount of hours for my new job that I want. Plus I am a caregiver at my other job and I love the animals I care for.

    I am simply not respected. I am the person who gets called in when the women with real lives do what they want and get all the praise and company.

    When I am not working I am of no use to anyone.

    I can’t tell you how that feels.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
    • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
    #196387
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lisa:

    “I can’t tell you how that feels”, is the last line of your recent post. But you have told how that feels many times. Your emotional pain is evident in your writings. It comes through your posts: hurt and angry, in physical pain from overworking, exhausted, very, very sad, that is why you cry a lot. Every time you get motivated, you soon get frustrated. You feel very much alone, throughout life, most of the time.

    You’ve been telling here how you feel for many months. I hear you. I hear you loud and clear.

    anita

    #197133
    Lisa
    Participant

    Well there you go…my new job is ruined. I am a good person and people want me to fail. I’m a good person but I deserve nothing. You think I want so much but all I want are the basics. Respect, love, friendship.

    Something happened that stressed me out exceedingly 5 minutes before I had to start work and that is after working my other job in the morning. I was contemplating quitting my early job because my other keeps calling me in on my days off which is giving me no time to rest or accomplish anything.

    People must sense that I’m ripe to upset because I was treated rudely just because and I broke down and cried. I have been at this job for months, hiding my hurt when I am treated differently, criticized, laughed at. I ignored it all.

    If emotions are not allowed in the workplace then annoyance, favoritism, entitlement. Those things should not be allowed as well. Everyone should be treated the same.

    I focus on my job but I annoy some. I can’t make you believe that because you are not able to see it. A few I annoy for reasons I do not know, most ignore me, and a few think I am a wonderful person. The problem is the few I annoy go out of their way to make sure I mess up.

    I stayed strong for months. Smiling, taking it, being productive, dependable, coming in whenever they need me.

    You know right now. What is the point? What I say will just be repeated back to me. Also how many pages I have taken.

    I don’t even know what to say right now. This job was my last hope but I had to be pushed to cry.

    Several people joined in the effort. It’s like they sensed I was upset and took full advantage. I have to do another double today. I have to talk to someone who I feel wanted me to get upset about why I got upset. They won. I deflected so much but they are relentless. They never give up. They never give up. I don’t do anything to them. Why do they want to do anything to me? I asked crying last night..why? No one can tell me why. I want to know why. Why?

    I have to pretend yesterday didn’t happen because once I have been broken I can’t stop crying and then the ones who thought I was wonderful won’t think so anymore and the ones I annoy are triumphant.

    I have a severe headache right now from crying. No one is there for me. I do it all alone.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
    • This reply was modified 6 years, 8 months ago by Lisa.
    #197143
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lisa:

    “I do it all alone”- the last sentence. Again, “Alone”, the title of  your thread.

    You wrote  that people get annoyed with you and some who do  go out of their way to hurt you, “once I have been broken… the  ones I annoy are triumphant”. It  is  very, very  difficult to live in a world where people want you broken, want you upset, and  make you so, and then they  feel  triumphant.

    How do they express their triumph, I wonder: do they smile  when you cry, laugh… tell you that they are glad you are upset?

    anita

     

    #197227
    Lisa
    Participant

    They all of a sudden seem content and exclaim “what happened Lisa?” Did I say something? If I say yes than they go on to say I imagined their intentions and that I am seeing something that is not there. They act like nothing happened and because they are not emotional they are believed over me and the people who admired me are quiet with menow.

    #197243
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Lisa:

    There are people who intend to hurt you and you accurately perceive their intents. There are people who do not intend to hurt you and you inaccurately perceive an intent they do not have.

    Sometimes you are accurate, at other times you are not.

    anita

    #197335
    nextsteps
    Participant

    Hello Lisa,

     

    I hope you are feeling a bit better today. I read your story, starting at the beginning. I agree with Anita in that you definitely are heard on this site. I believe many people feel alone just like you. So in that, you are not alone.

     

    I am not sure if you are looking for someone to empthaise with you or actual advice. However, after reading your thread I felt so happy for you in the middle pages where you wrote down your goals and were making progress toward them e.g. eating healthier, walking more and getting a better sleeping pattern, so my thoughts are to say more about things that helped me in terms of positive progress.

    Like you I have found life isn’ fair. Just watch a nature programme when a little animal just been born/at a young age is killed by another predator. Nature shows us life isn’t fair and its not fair for humans either. But I  do believe there are certain rules in nature and sometimes the things in life that seem unfair are actually trying to teach you something.. its just so hard and tiring to see that at the time. Life isnt ordered, just or fair sometimes and accepting that makes life easier to live i find. It all depends what you believe. I like much of what people say about the law of attraction and like to believe things happen for a reason. But everyone to their own.

     

    In terms of practical help I would suggest the following things but you don’t have to do any. I do understand how you feel though. I have felt very much alone for as long as I can recall.

    1) perhaps try and listen to guided meditations as you wind down and go to bed. These have helped me calm my over active brain and help sleep. They could help you. I peronally like ones by Jason gallant but it’s up to you which you like

     

    2) You said you can’ afford therapy but there is perhaps other, alternative therapies you could try. Here in the UK the NHS offers free therapy to people online and there are websites like Talkspace, elder wisdom circle and 7 cups of tea that offer online therapy which may help.

     

    3) I think what Anita said about patience in previous posts was so true. When I feel down I want to get better RIGHT NOW and somehow feel a failure when that doesn’t happen and feel discouraged, like back to square one as you describe. I think the key is to keep trying. You say you are stubborn and have tried, so persevering when you are having a down day would be a great use of that trait.  Think of a little donkey on a trail that just keeps on plodding on even if it’ just small steps one day and slightly bigger the next- the donkey will get there. For those days I have a journal which you can buy online called a 5 minute journal which asks you to write down things you are grateful for at the start of the day and write an affirmation and then asks you to reflect at the end of the day. That has been useful to me in seeing the good things in life and I would perhaps recommend to you.

     

    4) at the start you mentioned you had a dog. It sounded like the dog gave you happiness. The dog would also help you get out of the house on bad days. Have you thought of getting one again? Perhaps getting one from a pound e.g. a dog that was also alone will encourage you both to heal. This may involve you cutting down some hours but from what you post, it sounds like you are so tired from working two jobs so doing less hours is a good thing. We need to take care of ourselves first.

     

    5) you say you are an artist and a writer which is great. Anita is right, you do have a good way with words and express things clearly at times. How much art/writing are you doing Currently? It doesn’t have to be perfect at all. How good or not good you are at writing is no reflection on your self worth and value as a person…They aren’t linked. Perhaps you could join an art or creative writing class or perhaps start a free blog on word press?

     

    6) when I am feeling especially down I like to Google things in the hope of finding someone ‘like me’ out there. In time I have found Ted talks which are useful and also YouTube videos. Try the one from a poster called ‘improvement pill’ about filling the iner hole (you will recognise the video as it has cartoon characters in) or videos by Teal Swan on the inner void, lonliness etc. There are also a few by Michael singer and Eckert rolled that whilst I don’t always understand principles, are relaxing to watch.

     

    I have more to write but think this is long enough for now. I hope you have a good day today and do at least one thing that makes you feel good about your life/day. I would be interested in hearing about your progress towards your goals you mentioned.

     

    Please take good care of yourself.

     

     

     

     

     

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