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  • #288431
    Gautam
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    Long story short,
    I proposed her and later she replied with (on mail)

    “I do have a special place for u in me, a very special place indeed. I’ve never known the emotions they attach to love,  but the one that i have, could resonate with it. But i am not going to put you under any illusions here, cause yes I agree,  stagnant waters aren’t meant for us. This isn’t an emotion that I would want to develop into anything else.  No,  I don’t wish to name it, it isn’t something I would attach to relationships, or girlfriend-boyfriendish things or any named bond, today or in future.  It’s just special to me and I would like to keep it that way.  Maybe, maybe it’s my heart speaking, cause honestly, i can listen to it now. Or it is my mind interfering. But this once, I want it to be. Just this much. Not more, not less.
    Also,  I am not asking for you to do anything here. You have so much love to give. Go, love freely. There must be a certain someone waiting for it still. I would too. We’ve both learnt so much. And such diverse things. Any amount of thank you(s)  will never be enough. 
    Somehow, when I see a starlit sky,  when I see a long road ahead one that I would want to walk,  I’ll always think of you. And I know we’ll create more memories, maybe subtly,  maybe memories filled with colors,  vibrant, yet serene. 
    But I wouldn’t want you to stand here thinking that I can reciprocate how you feel.  Not in the foreseeable future. A certain someone asked me not to place bets on the future,  cause no one has seen them. 
    I normally don’t go around telling people how I feel. But I felt you deserve to know. So even though I am shaking while I write , even though it is one of the tastiest writings I have written, I am taking an attempt at this, these jumbled up set of sentences that I want should make meaning to you. 
    No,  I don’t wish to say sorry (as I type this,  maybe later I might) cause if today I don’t say this, it might hurt us someday. And yes, the last time I said this statement in front of you,  I saw you feeling its weight. 
    So here, I mark you as a someone special to me.
    I’d want you to stay. Always. 
    Not as a lover, not as anything else, but as a “special someone”.

    Later I confronted her and she clearly mentioned yes she meant it. At that point of time I was hurt and I cried. Then impulsively I mentioned “I can’t stay”. She was in tears at that very moment. Then I said “I’d stay” as I don’t want to see her in tears.

    I’m really confused and what I should believe wrt her. Internally I want clarity on where this is going. I just can’t seem to get it due to her fluctuating beahviour. Which seems a bit clingy now. She’s seem confused as hell.

    Idk how should I proceed further!

     

    #288457
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Gautam,

    She is not accepting the marriage proposal. I know this is bad news.

    What I would do is to let her go. Let her come to you from now on. Don’t chase her. And unapologetically date other people if you’re up for it.

    “You will always be special to me” is code for “I am breaking up with you”.

    Best,

    Inky

    #288489
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gautam:

    Welcome back with the follow up  on your previous thread.

    This is what she told you: “I do have a special place for u in me…I am not going to put you under any illusions here.. This isn’t an emotion that I would want to develop into anything else”-

    – what she wrote there is that she has a special feeling for you but she doesn’t want this feeling to develop into the love feeling required in a romantic relationship (gf/bf or wife/husband). She doesn’t want you to have the illusion that she will be romantically interested in you because she doesn’t want that, a romantic relationship with you is not what she wants.

    “It’s just special to me and I would like to keep it that way… I want it to be. Just this much. Not more, not less”- she does not want to feel romantic toward you, she wants to keep what she feels now as is, no changes.

    “Go, love freely. There must be a certain someone waiting for it still”- she is suggesting that you love another woman, a certain someone, not her.

    “Any amount of thank you(s) will never be enough”- she is expressing gratitude for many nice things you did for her.

    “I wouldn’t want you to stand here thinking that I can reciprocate how you feel”- she doesn’t feel romantic feelings toward you, she can’t feel romantically toward you.

    “I normally don’t go around telling people how I feel. But I felt you deserve to know”- she is grateful to you, thinks you are a good person, that you’ve been a good person to  her, so she wants to reciprocate your goodness and tell you honestly that she does not feel romantically toward you and cannot.

    “I want you to  stay. Always. Not as a lover, not as anything else, but as a ‘special someone'”- she does not want to be your lover or husband, but as a “special someone”.

    What does she mean by special-someone?- “when I see a starlit sky.. I’ll always think of you… memories filled with colors, vibrant, yet serene”-

    – the special feeling she has for you is something she will think of when stands alone under the starlit sky, a poetic kind of feeling, like a nice, sad song with a good feeling to it.

    “I know we’ll create more memories, maybe subtly”- I don’t know what she means by it. I suspect she took a bit of a break from being honest in this sentence, as well as in writing to you that she cannot reciprocate your feelings “in the foreseeable future” which suggests that maybe following the foreseeable future she will reciprocate your feelings. You can ask her about these two items if you want.

    In summary, it reads clearly to me that she is not interested in a gf/bf or wife/husband relationship with you, that she does not feel romantically toward you, and, reads to me that she doesn’t want to give you up being in her life. She benefits in some ways by you being in her life as you have been and she doesn’t want to give that up. So she is honest on one hand but she also strings you along a bit.

    What  do you think about my understanding?

    anita

     

     

    #288503
    Gautam
    Participant

    anita

    I agree with you. The items that you mentioned confused me too. I tried to clear it from her but all she mentioned was “I have my own restraints” and  “I don’t want to jar my heart” (inspired from the song ‘Jar of hearts’)

    Somehow I feel she doesn’t mean what she mentioned.  Only thing I know is if I let go of her, she’ll break. And somehow I know I can let go of her but I fear I’d be guilty of hurting a soul.

    And I think I’ve promised her to not leave her when I saw her crying. Now I realize what I’ve done. Holy!

    How should I proceed?

    #288507
    Gautam
    Participant

    Inky

    I’ve been doing the same and she seems to take a U turn but it seems as if it’s mostly because of fear of losing me.

    #288511
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gautam:

    Can you tell me about her fear of losing you, what did she say in that regard?

    “if I let go of her, she’ll break”- what do you mean by her breaking- did she say anything regarding breaking, and if so, what did she say?

    Also, what is it that you believe she wants from you?

    anita

    #288517
    Gautam
    Participant

    anita

    The last time we met I discussed this. I asked her did you mean what you wrote? She said “Yes” (with a confidence). I broke in tears that moment. I then mentioned “I can’t go on further, it’ll hurt me”. She was silent. Tears were flowing through her eyes. She doesn’t want to leave me (for sure).

    I met her when she was all closed up. She confided in me. We became best friends. Then romantic gestures were exchanged. Then we had those little moments where we kissed and I mentioned “I love you.”. She said “She liked it”. Then one day she closed  up romantically again. Then this mail.

    #288525
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gautam:

    You didn’t answer my questions (if you are not calm enough to answer, maybe later?):

    1. What did she say to you about her being afraid of losing you?

    2. You wrote: “if I let go of her, she’ll break”- how do you think she will break and did she tell you that she will break if you let go of her?

    3. What do you think she wants from you?

    anita

    #288529
    Gautam
    Participant

    anita

    1. I then mentioned “I can’t go on further, it’ll hurt me”. She was silent. Tears were flowing through her eyes. She doesn’t want to leave me (for sure). —– I inferred from her sudden outburst. Plus whenever topic of me leaving her (directly or indirectly) is taken up, her eyes are watery.

    2. Goes back to point 01 (above).

    3. I met her when she was all closed up. She confided in me. We became best friends. —– I am the only one (I guess, she doesn’t confide in people)

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by Gautam.
    #288537
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gautam:

    She cried, her eyes were watery, it doesn’t mean that she’ll break. People endure a whole lot of sadness and they keep living, keep functioning. Sadness doesn’t kill.

    She confided in you, the two of you became best friends. Reads to me that she wants to remain friends with you but she herself stated that she doesn’t want a romantic relationship, she doesn’t feel romantically toward you.

    Are you able and willing to be friends with her but look for a romantic relationship with another woman, like she herself suggested that you do?

    And are you afraid of your own sadness, of you breaking, somehow, if you give up on pursuing her for a romantic relationship?

    anita

    #288541
    Gautam
    Participant

    Anita

    1. I’ve a hope that she’ll reciprocate. Though I don’t expect. I’m busy self loving myself.

    2. I don’t see this friends thing with me. The physical intimacy I had with her made things different. Now, getting back isn’t an option now.

    3. I tried giving up but she is holding onto me. I don’t want to say her that “I want to leave” because i made a promise of staying by her side always.

    What i’m doing currently is let go of romantic feelings and not chasing her like I did. I’m someone she could talk anytime to. I guess it’s one sided though for I have stopped confiding in her. I do a little just so that she is content that I haven’t left this bond.

    #288547
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gautam:

    The promise you made to her, of “staying by her side always”- means to be her friend always, including when she has another boyfriend or gets married to another man, and when you get involved romantically with another woman and get married?

    anita

    #288549
    Gautam
    Participant

    Anita

    I promised to “follow her rules” (as mentioned in mail). I’ve dug up my own grave it seems…..

    #288553
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Gautam:

    She wrote to you: “You have so much love to give. Go, love freely”- but digging your own grave (“I’ve dug up my own grave it seems”) in this current friendship with her does not allow freedom to love, which is what she claims she wants for you.

    She also wrote to you: “A certain someone asked me not to place bets on the future, cause no one has seen them”- isn’t your promise to her a bet on the future, one that shouldn’t have been placed?

    This may be just the right time for you to free yourself from this promise. This promise is hurting you and if she cares for your well being, she wouldn’t want you to be digging a grave for yourself, she really would want you to be free, to “Go, love freely”!

    anita

     

    #288797
    Mark
    Participant

    Gautam,

    Only thing I know is if I let go of her, she’ll break.

    I think that you have too little regard for her strength and resiliency.  We all go through trials and tribulations.  If we don’t face adversity then we cannot grow, become stronger, more independent, more self sufficient.

    You put yourself in a position as the only one who controls her emotional well being.  I think that there is some co-dependency if you truly think that.

    I’ve promised her to not leave her when I saw her crying.!

    Promises made under adversity (even if it is self imposed adversity) should not be held valid for they are not true and honest and authentic because of the circumstances.  Also promises are not forever for with time, circumstances change.

    Mark

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