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    anita
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    Dear Tee:

    * By the way, I quote so much of your posts because I copy and paste my responses to you into a private file for safekeeping, so in case something happens to the site, I have a record and I can go back and read your words at ay time in the future.

    In regard to your yesterday’s post:

    “It definitely feels like your inner child seeing things with new eyes, seeing your mother with new eyes, and not craving her love – or not craving her love so much – anymore. You’re slowly beginning to understand and accept (and it seems not only on the rational level, but also at the inner child level) that she didn’t have the capacity to be a loving mother. It seems her mothering was all about meeting her own need to feel better about herself by abusing and denigrating you (and your sister).

    “She created a false image of you in her mind – a twisted image, as you called it – and she raised you as if that twisted image were true. And you believed it, like every child does…In her twisted image, she was all good and you were all bad. She needed to see you as ‘bad’ so that she could keep seeing herself as ‘good.’ So that her fragile ego wouldn’t collapse.

    “Simply put, she needed to put you down, so that she would feel good about herself. Which is typical for narcissistic people: they need to see themselves superior to others, they need to feel better than others. Come to think of it, it’s actually impossible to get validation from a narcissistic parent, because if they were to admit that we’re good enough, that we’re worthy, in their twisted mind it would diminish their own worth. And that’s a tragedy of being raised by a narcissistic parent: you can never be good enough, because it would threaten their ego.”-

    W.O.W. You say it so well.. I don’t need to watch all the YouTubes you watched, you are giving me the best of what you watched and IMPROVED ON, I have no doubt! 🙏 🙏 🙏

    “We are lovable and worthy, but we were born to parents who taught us that we’re not, who taught us that there’s something very wrong with us. And now we need to rejected that old programming and kind of build ourselves anew. Re-parent our inner child, so we can be the fullness of who we are.”- Amen.

    As to your first post today:

    “That’s great that you could observe all your feelings and feel empathy for yourself as you were experiencing those feelings. As a result, you haven’t slipped into guilt, which would have been your automatic reaction. You didn’t start feeling guilty for choosing yourself over your mother, for protecting yourself from your mother. You chose yourself, and you didn’t feel guilty about it. That’s great! I think that’s great progress, Anita! ❤️”- thank you ❤️!

    (Anita): “It’s all been just TOO MUCH. I am scared of her now as much as I always have been, an imagined look in her eye, the sight of her face, her voice, imagined (if I was to talk to her/ see her)- to me, it feels terrorizing.”

    “Little girl Anita is so scared of the Mother- Monster in her life.”

    (Tee): “I’m sorry to hear that, Anita. But it’s understandable, because you were all alone with your Mother-Monster, and no one to rescue you. There was no escape from her, and you weren’t even sure if you needed to escape or you needed to become ‘better’ so she would finally stop persecuting you. I guess a part of you wanted to escape, but a part wanted to stay and please her, so she would finally love you and accept you, right?”-

    I definitely gave up on the idea of pleasing her there and then. I daydreamed a lot about pleasing her one day in the future, if I became rich and famous and able to buy her the luxuries she’s been audibly and wistfully daydreaming about.

    About pleasing her right there and then, it was failure after failure until I stopped trying. I mentioned that one part of her personality disorders combo was Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder. So, when I washed dishes or tried to clean so to make her life easier, she severely criticized my efforts, saying I had two left hands and just did things so poorly. I remember one day using a dish washing sponge to scrub each and every little square of floor on my hands and knees so to make sure it’s done just right. I don’t remember her response to that particular effort. Likely, she criticized me for destroying the sponge or whatnot.

    “A way to heal the inner child is by giving her a so-called ‘corrective emotional experience’. The way it happens is that we imagine a distressing situation from the past, and then our adult self ‘steps in’ and intervenes, i.e. protects our inner child from the abusive parent. Our adult self intervenes on behalf of our inner child. By doing that, we rewrite the old traumatic imprint and with that, the habitual traumatic response too.

    “Ideally, this is done with a therapist, in a safe environment. But it can be done on our own, if we’re anchored in our adult self and have absolute confidence that our adult self can protect our inner child. If we feel we can be a good, loving parent to our inner child.

    “I wonder how you feel about doing something like that – that the adult Anita intervene on behalf of LGA and protect her from your mother, in a rehashed situation from your past?

    “I’d also like to say that in order to strengthen our capacity to be a good, nurturing parent to our inner child, we need to be able to feel calm and relaxed in our body – because that’s how we calm our nervous system. We cannot be a good parent – neither to our inner child nor to a real child – if we’re stressed and anxious.

    “You’ve mentioned embrace on the other thread, and it occurred to me that you might want to try the self-hug exercise, which is great for calming our nervous system. It’s basically putting our left hand under our right armpit (a little below it), and our right hand on our left shoulder, which simulates a hug. And then breathing.”- I just did.

    “Diaphragmatic breathing, with one hand on our chest and the other on our belly, would be another method to calm down anxiety and feel safe in our body.”- I just did.

    Most recent post:

    “Hmmm, if you’ve felt an impulse to engage in a fist fight with your mother, I’m guessing there is still quite a lot of anger that would need to be processed first.’- the anger goes hand in hand with the fear of her, it wants to protect me from her, to keep her away from me.

    “Our adult self has the qualities of a loving, caring parent (among other things), so it would probably resort to milder tactics, such as saying something to your mother, or standing in between your inner child and your mother, preventing your mother from hitting your inner child. Or what you did around the age of 20: you grabbed your mother’s hands and prevented her to hit you. So, ideally, our adult self should have a mature response, like a loving, caring, responsible parent would have.

    “Please don’t take this as judgment – it’s okay to feel angry, to express our anger and process it. But if anger remains the primary emotion that we feel towards our abusive parent, it means we feel threatened by them, and as such, we won’t be able to protect our inner child either.”- but if I stop being angry at her, I might let her get close again and hurt me..???

    “So, the goal would be that your adult self doesn’t feel threatened by your mother, but to arrive at a place where you understand that she doesn’t have power in your life anymore. That she cannot destroy you, because you don’t believe her lies about you any longer. And you don’t need her to love you or validate you.”- but if I get to believe that she cannot destroy me, I might let her back in.. I mean, If I don’t perceive her to be dangerous, I may renew contact with her and that’s something I promised my inner child to never do.

    I mean, part of me wants to make her happy and if I stop being angry at her, the part that wants to please her will get me into trouble.

    “And so, if she can’t harm you any longer, you (your adult self) doesn’t feel threatened by her and can release the anger that you feel towards her. And that’s when we can help our inner child, i.e. truly protect it from our abusive parent.”- I am scared of her.

    “Just a small clarification: the hand below our armpit is positioned in a way that our thumb is resting on the side of our chest, pointing upwards, while the rest of our fingers are below our armpit.”- thank you for the clarification, it does feel better this way.

    “Hmm, that’s a good question. I guess the inner child represents all our sensitive, vulnerable parts, where we feel scared and need external protection/soothing/comforting. For example, our inner child needs to feel loved, and if we haven’t healed it, even the most benign situations can trigger a sense of being unlovable, e.g. if a shop assistant doesn’t smile to us, it’s a “proof” to us that we’re unlovable and unworthy. This would be a very childish behavior, which with healing goes away. Which I think means that this part of our inner child is integrated into our adult personality. So next time a shop assistant is rude to us, we won’t think there’s something wrong to us, but that they’re having a bad day 🙂.

    “But there can still be situations in which we feel vulnerable and scared like a child, e.g. in case of a severe illness, or loss of a loved one, or some catastrophic external event (wars, disasters), etc. That’s when we feel the need to be soothed from the outside, because self-soothing isn’t enough. Many people find that comfort and soothing in a higher power, or perhaps a very supportive friend or a partner, or a therapist, of course.

    “I believe a part of us always remains a child (here by a child, I mean a part that feels scared and helpless and is in need of external soothing and regulation). But as we heal and mature, this child part is less and less, and only comes forth in difficult situations, however not in everyday situations, which we can hopefully manage on our own.

    “I hope this answers your question 😊”-

    Yes, you have inner Child Champion Tee 🏆 🥇 👑 🔥

    Back to the corrective exercise you suggested: none of me wants to be in the same room with her for any reason. She is still the Trauma in my c- pTsd. How about a corrective exercise I can do away from her, I mean, not having her in the same room/ place/ country where I am.. no contact whatsoever.. Can that be done?

    Maybe the corrective exercise in the format you presented it/ saw it on YouTube, is no for everyone- depending on the extent, complexity and history of trauma. What do you think, Tee?

    Anita

    #451377
    anita
    Participant

    Adding: I think that the exercise is not a one size fits all strategy or solution. I don’t think that there’ll ever be a time when an adult me can be calm in a room with her, and I think that aiming at such a situation (in a room with her in real-life or in my imagination) would be harmful to my inner child.

    I used to think of her as “my private Nazi” and of my childhood, “my private holocaust”. I thought this way as a teenager.

    Imagine asking or expecting a holocaust survival to imagine himself or herself in a room with the sadistic Nazi, calm and collected.. so to correct the trauma..

    #451379
    anita
    Participant

    And adding:

    Thank you so much Tee for your time and efforts, your good heart and amazing generosity. I am forever grateful to you and still 🤞 🤞 🤞 for you, hoping to hear good news from you, thinking of you, wishing you well..!!!

    🤍🌿 Anita

    #451381
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    W.O.W. You say it so well.. I don’t need to watch all the YouTubes you watched, you are giving me the best of what you watched and IMPROVED ON, I have no doubt!

    Haha, thank you! 😊 I’m glad this is helpful to you! ❤️

    As for the corrective exercise:

    – but if I stop being angry at her, I might let her get close again and hurt me..???

    – but if I get to believe that she cannot destroy me, I might let her back in.. I mean, If I don’t perceive her to be dangerous, I may renew contact with her and that’s something I promised my inner child to never do.

    Let’s take an example from the animal kingdom: if you see a snake – whom you know is a potentially dangerous animal, are you angry at it, or you know its nature and you seek to protect yourself from it? You don’t even go into areas where snakes are expected, however you’re not angry at a snake for being a snake.

    This is how I imagine treating certain abusive people: we don’t need to be perpetually angry at them, because it’s like being angry at a snake for being a snake. Still, we don’t want to hang around with them, we don’t want to have any contact with them, because we know how hurtful and obnoxious the person can be.

    In other words, our releasing anger doesn’t prevent us from wanting to protect ourselves. It doesn’t mean we want to renew contact, and even less that we want to expose ourselves to their abuse again.

    Frankly, I don’t think anger is the best protector in the long-run (because us constantly being in fight-or-flight isn’t beneficial for us). Anger is there to tell us that we need to protect ourselves. That we shouldn’t expect love from a snake (but only poison). And so we don’t go into the snake pit, and we don’t imagine the snake will suddenly turn into a beautiful princess, or whatever.

    I believe that anger is a signal, not a long-term solution. I believe that the goal is to process and release anger and replace it with clarity and clear boundaries, so we don’t feel threatened by the person anymore, but still we’re very aware of who they are and would never expose ourselves to their abuse again.

    I wonder how this sounds to you?

    I think that the exercise is not a one size fits all strategy or solution. I don’t think that there’ll ever be a time when an adult me can be calm in a room with her, and I think that aiming at such a situation (in a room with her in real-life or in my imagination) would be harmful to my inner child.

    I do understand if processing and releasing anger at this point seems very scary to you, and you don’t see it as a feasible path forward in your healing. I totally respect if this is not something you’re willing or able to do, at least not at this point. And that’s okay. ❤️

    #451382
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    I am on my way out the door, but I read enough to want to clarify: I don’t normally feel angry at her anymore. The anger came up at-the-thought-of facing her in the same room, even in imagination. That’s when the fear and anger got activated earlier today.

    Do you understand the context of the anger?

    Anita

    #451385
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    perhaps we could rewind a little and stop focusing on anger. You asked:

    Back to the corrective exercise you suggested: none of me wants to be in the same room with her for any reason. She is still the Trauma in my c- pTsd. How about a corrective exercise I can do away from her, I mean, not having her in the same room/ place/ country where I am.. no contact whatsoever.. Can that be done?

    I think you shouldn’t force yourself to do this exercise, for sure. We should do nothing that exacerbates our fear and reactivates our trauma. We should only do what feels healing, what gives us a sense of empowerment (as opposed to feeling helpless that we felt when facing our abuser). So definitely, no corrective exercise of this type.

    What I would do perhaps is various self-soothing exercises – anything that helps you feel calmer in your body. You said you’ve tried the self-hug exercise and the diaphragmatic breathing. How did that feel?

    And self-compassion. Practice self-compassion, giving you inner child the love and care (and validation) that she needs. No Mother-Monster in the room, just you with your inner child. I think it would be beneficial to establish more and more of that safety…

    So only the kind of practices or exercises that feel safe, calming and nurturing, nothing that puts you in the fight-or-flight…

    And sorry for suggesting the kind of exercise that exacerbates your fear. Please scratch that and focus only on what feels soothing and nurturing ❤️

    #451386
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    Just got back and read your message. I like everything you wrote. You understand and it makes me happy right now, that you understand 😊

    No reason to apologize: your suggestion made me understand more, more about what happened, and what I need, so thank you!

    And most importantly, for me, is that you are hearing me and able and willing to adjust what you hear/ see, considering new input from me.

    I will reply more tomorrow.

    r 🙏 ❤️ 🙏 ❤️ 🙏 ❤️ Anita

    #451389
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    You understand and it makes me happy right now, that you understand 😊

    Yes I do. And I’m happy that you’re happy 😊

    And most importantly, for me, is that you are hearing me and able and willing to adjust what you hear/ see, considering new input from me.

    Absolutely! I now understand that this type of exercise certainly wouldn’t do you good. And I was thinking: there are other types of corrective exercises, where we can give love and nurturance to our inner child. Basically, self-parenting exercises.

    For me personally, a corrective exercise actually involved imagining a presence of a higher power, who gave me love that I haven’t received from my mother. This of course might not be something for you, but I’m just saying that there are plenty of things we can do to give to our inner child what she hasn’t received from our parents. Unconditional love, acceptance, appreciation, compassion, a loving, nurturing presence: we can give all that to our inner child.

    I’ve come across a beautiful short talk by Thich Nath Hanh, on what it means to love another. Although he meant it for romantic love, I think it’s perfect to say these things to our inner child too. I’ve made a transcript of his talk, since you said you’re not really receptive to videos (the video is called “Darling, I am there for you”):

    If you love someone, the greatest gift you can give to him or her is your presence.
    If you’re not there, how could you love?
    And therefore, the most meaningful declaration when you’re in love is this: “Darling, I am there for you”.
    Your presence is very important for him or her. And that cannot be bought with money. That could only be practiced by mindfulness.
    So breathe in and breathe out mindfully, and make yourself available to your beloved one. That is a practice of mindfulness. “Darling, I am there for you.”
    When you’re there, the energy of mindfulness is there, and that energy helps you recognize the presence of the other.
    If you’re not there, how can you recognize her presence or his presence?
    So you embrace the person you love with the energy of mindfulness. That is the most nourishing thing for him or her.
    Otherwise, you’re there, but you’re not really there. Your presence is not true, not real, because you’re not mindful.
    Especially when the person you love suffer, your presence is most important to her, to him.
    And that is why when you see the person you love suffer, you have to make yourself available right away: “Darling, I know that you suffer, and that is why I am there for you.”
    That is the practice of mindfulness.

    I loved this phrase “Darling, I am there for you.” I thought what a great thing to say to our inner child. It gives soothing, protection, compassion, understanding… all in one.

    It’s similar to what Jana shared a while ago, among her inner child exercises. Thank you Jana, if you’re reading this 😊 Thich Nath Hanh is a gem and a real discovery for me… I very much appreciate his teachings and his peaceful presence ❤️

    Dear Anita, I hope you’re having a restful night. Talk to you soon! ❤️

    #451390
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    Before getting to the computer this very early morning (unable to sleep), I was thinking about a corrective exercise and I think I found one: going back to the elementary school setting when I saw her- from a great distance, standing there with the other kids- screaming and threatening a teacher. I told you about that incident and that there was no follow up on it as far as I know.

    So, going back, a corrective exercise: there will be a follow up. A kind teacher or the principal (or my adult-self?) will take me to his office, talk to me, call child protective services, or the like, who will arrange for a home for me.. and therapy. I can imagine/ visualize how it’d be living in a new home, a quiet, calm home with what you said: “Unconditional love, acceptance, appreciation, compassion, a loving, nurturing presence: we can give all that to our inner child.”

    * The great distance in the scene, that I was not in the same room, 1 to 1 kind of proximity is important,

    What do you think?

    “What I would do perhaps is various self-soothing exercises – anything that helps you feel calmer in your body. You said you’ve tried the self-hug exercise and the diaphragmatic breathing. How did that feel?”-

    For some reason I like the half hug, the hand below the armpit. The full hug feels awkward. I definitely need a calmer body, no doubt. Right now I am unusually calm and it’s very, very nice. I wish I experienced more of it.

    I just read this part of your most recent post for the first time: “I’ve come across a beautiful short talk by Thich Nath Hanh, on what it means to love another. Although he meant it for romantic love, I think it’s perfect to say these things to our inner child too. I’ve made a transcript of his talk, since you said you’re not really receptive to videos”-

    I am so touched, so moved that you made a transcript just for me. I just took a moment to let it sink in that you did this for me. I don’t know how to describe this feeling..

    “If you love someone, the greatest gift you can give to him or her is your presence.

    If you’re not there, how could you love?

    And therefore, the most meaningful declaration when you’re in love is this: ‘Darling, I am there for you’.

    Your presence is very important for him or her. And that cannot be bought with money. That could only be practiced by mindfulness.

    So breathe in and breathe out mindfully, and make yourself available to your beloved one. That is a practice of mindfulness.

    ‘Darling, I am there for you.’

    When you’re there, the energy of mindfulness is there, and that energy helps you recognize the presence of the other.

    If you’re not there, how can you recognize her presence or his presence?

    So you embrace the person you love with the energy of mindfulness. That is the most nourishing thing for him or her.

    Otherwise, you’re there, but you’re not really there. Your presence is not true, not real, because you’re not mindful.

    Especially when the person you love suffer, your presence is most important to her, to him.

    And that is why when you see the person you love suffer, you have to make yourself available right away: ‘Darling, I know that you suffer, and that is why I am there for you.’

    That is the practice of mindfulness.”-

    As I read this, I breathed mindfully (normally I hold my breath or breathe shallowly). This transcript is making a difference for me (because of what it says and because you took the time and made the effort to make it available for me). I don’t remember connecting mindfulness to the inner child. I am going to reread this again and again, make a mantra out of it and repeat it every day.

    “I loved this phrase ‘Darling, I am there for you.’ I thought what a great thing to say to our inner child. It gives soothing, protection, compassion, understanding… all in one.”- I am going to edit the phrase a bit in another language so that it feels more natural to me.

    Eternally Grateful to you, Tee ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

    Anita

    #451402
    anita
    Participant

    Thinking about you, Tee. Two days ago, you were waiting for the imaging to be done, and after that- the doctor appointment. I wonder where you’re at with that and how you’re feeling.

    Also, 2 days ago, you liked this quote: “The important thing is not to think much, but to love much; do, then, whatever most arouses you to love.”-

    Do whatever most arouses you to love right now.. to love Tee, to love others.

    I love you!

    Anita

    #451403
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    I’m glad to hear that you are having better days. ❤️

    I hope I’m not intruding? I just wanted to share what my therapist recommended about the confronting exercises. She was very accepting of emotion. She was okay with shouting and swearing when the situation calls for it. So it is okay to confront with anger. The key is to imagine an adult you with a little you. The focus being on protecting little Anita. Confronting the mother is secondary. Because you wouldn’t want to fight in front of a child, that would be scary for a child. The goal is entirely to focus on what you would do to protect your child self. If that makes sense? You could pick a less stressful memory to start with. You definitely don’t want to start with a very difficult memory. ❤️

    #451404
    Alessa
    Participant

    Please let me know what you think? It is okay if the exercise isn’t your cup of tea though. I don’t want to pressure you. ❤️

    #451405
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    Thank you for your suggestions and for caring to share them with me ❤️

    I would never want to confront her, not in real-life and not in my imagination.

    I figure I can do a corrective exercise, but not one where I am in close proximity to her, just like the one I shared 2 posts ago in this thread (a bit more than 5 hours ago). You can read it, if you’d like.

    In the exercise, I will be a safe distance away from her, and then I will be removed from her altogether.

    I appreciate your thoughts and your caring to share them!

    ❤️ Anita

    #451406
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Fair enough. I’m glad you found your own way of doing things. ❤️

    The purpose of the exercise Tee previously recommended is to help with flashbacks. So with practice when you have one you can take control of it and make it less painful by rewriting the memory and protecting yourself.

    I’ve come to understand that PTSD is kind of a dysfunction of imagination.

    ❤️

    #451407
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Alessa:

    “A dysfunction of imagination”- fascinating!

    “rewriting the memory and protecting yourself.”- I will think- feel about it later, and I think it will make it part of the exercise, thank you!

    ❤️

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