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  • #452467
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    I read your post earlier this morning and reread it now. I agree with everything you said, thank you!

    When I read this part earlier: “I too have nice memories from my childhood that involve my mother, but it’s mostly when we were in the company of other adults and their children. That’s when I had a good time, because my mother wasn’t focused on me, so I was free to enjoy my time with those children.”-

    I was amazed because I never read or heard anyone express this and I could have written this myself-

    The only nice memories from my childhood that involve my mother were when she and I and my sister were guests at aunt Suzi (not the oldest). I was free from her attention, she… wasn’t focused on me.

    Maybe a bit in the homes of another, youngest aunt and in the home of uncle Morris (there were many more visits at aunt Susi’s home than anywhere else.

    * No nice memories from others visiting our apartment because of her offering food and me getting angry at others supposedly taking advantage of her.

    “When I was alone with my mother, I don’t remember too much joy because she would often criticize me, or not be supportive of me, or just in general be unhappy and complain about her ‘sad life’. And so there wasn’t much joy in my interactions with my mother..”-

    I could have written this too.. only I’d replace “I don’t remember too much joy” with “I remember lots of misery” 😔

    🤍 Anita

    #452479
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’m sorry about the silence, but some new problems have popped up with my spine, presumably due to poor posture and long sitting at the computer… They popped up without any previous symptoms, out of the blue, although they’ve probably been in the making for some time… 😢

    What to say but that I’m dumbfounded, angry and disappointed… but can’t do much else but to accept it and take some action/adjustments… plus another round of consulting with my orthopedic doctor and then probably physical therapy… ehhh 😢

    This also means my messages will be shorter because right now my neck and shoulders are hurting when I’m writing on the computer..

    I’m really sorry about you having spent 4 years working on the winery’s premises for free, pruning the orchards and doing all kind of physical work, as well as participating in social activities. You seemed to have a pretty rich social life there, and I understand you’re feeling sad that all of this is happening 😕… Is there any chance that the new owner would keep the taproom and the community events, or they will revamp everything?

    I totally believe what you said that you’re a very hard-working person, because you are very hard-working on these forums as well, tirelessly replying to hundreds, even thousands of people over the years.

    And I can imagine how hurtful it was to be hearing from your mother that you’re lazy and selfish, when you’re anything but!

    Unfortunately, that’s how narcissistic people operate: put down the other person, so to weaken them and elevate yourself. But it’s especially heart-breaking to receive those false accusation from one’s own mother 😕

    I do hope that you get to keep your house!! 🤞 🙏 And that there is a way to start anew… a fresh, new chapter in life? Although I know it’s easier said than done…

    Dear Anita, my today’s post is full of sad and perplexed face emojis… because these don’t seem to be the best of times for either of us. But I hope better times are awaiting, and that it’s not just wishful thinking (something you’ve mentioned recently).. I hope and pray it’s not wishful thinking, but a real possibility 🤞 🙏

    You said on the other thread you’re feeling a bit better today, so that’s good news 🤞 Hope that the following days, weeks and months flow smoothly for you!

    🙏 🤍 🫶 ❤️ 🙏

    #452480
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    I said quite a few prayers today. I started praying again only recently in regard to the sale of the winery. I didn’t pray in regard to money, I prayed for a fast sale because of owner’s mental/ physical health affected by the place not being sold for so long although on the market (it’s a buyer market at this time).

    I then prayed for my continued healing and for the health of a few people across the world.

    And then I found something positive to thank God for: that no one got injured or died as a result of drinking alcohol here (I’d know about it through a lawsuit). To acknowledge this very positive thing made me feel lighter for the first time today. It would be a terrible guilt if that happened.. (relief!)

    And then after walking on the premises and around for almost 3 hours, I came back inside, using not my own computer and I read about your new problems with your spine.. and I prayed for your symptoms to ease and for you to experience the most healing that’s possible for you (“and beyond”, I added, beyond the possible, that is).

    As I read that you were sitting, answering me while in pain.. I what’s the word, I don’t have the right word.. beyond appreciation. But of course, I wouldn’t want you to experience any pain at all, and none on account of typing a message for me. So, I will not expect long messages like before. A few sentences would be enough, if you’re not in pain for sitting for a few sentences.

    Tee: “I hope and pray it’s not wishful thinking, but a real possibility 🤞 🙏”- Anita: I am praying right now: “God, I pray that healing for Tee is a real possibility. and beyond a possibility. I pray for a miracle. In Jesus name, Amen. 🤞 🙏

    I am hearing the second owner gathering his stuff (tractors and such, having them towed to his home). I can’t believe that this Friday, I will not be here. Oh, as to your question, there will be no more winery here, it’ll be a horse’s place, horses are an industry.

    I have mentioned “the taproom” in posts before- that’s not the winery; it’s a different location 4 miles from here.

    Thank you so much Tee for your kind words, your empathy, your passion for the truth (a rare passion).

    I may have not responded to everything you wrote, I will later.

    Please take care of one of a kind Tee.

    🙏 🤍 🫶 ❤️ 🙏 Anita

    #452491
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    “I’m really sorry about you having spent 4 years working on the winery’s premises for free, pruning the orchards and doing all kind of physical work, as well as participating in social activities. You seemed to have a pretty rich social life there, and I understand you’re feeling sad that all of this is happening”-

    I worked thousands of hours for free, 365 days a year, 2-10 net hours a day (socializing not included) and didn’t mind it. I don’t like it that the end result is DEBT.

    “totally believe what you said that you’re a very hard-working person, because you are very hard-working on these forums as well, tirelessly replying to hundreds, even thousands of people over the years.”- Thank you, Tee!

    “And I can imagine how hurtful it was to be hearing from your mother that you’re lazy and selfish, when you’re anything but!”- THANK YOU!!!

    There was SO MUCH hurtful in what she said to me over the decades.. I can’t distinguish one hurt from the other. Being under her feet, she squashes whole heartedly.. nothing left unsquashed.

    “Unfortunately, that’s how narcissistic people operate: put down the other person, so to weaken them and elevate yourself. But it’s especially heart-breaking to receive those false accusation from one’s own mother 😕”- Narcissistic she has been all along. She relished putting me down, she loved it.

    “Dear Anita, my today’s post is full of sad and perplexed face emojis… because these don’t seem to be the best of times for either of us. “- Today, tonight, is the most difficult time I’ve had for the LONGEST time. I’m doing my best to control myself. I’m very confused and would very much like your input:

    Following leaving the winery this afternoon (after submitting the post to you from there), I found myself at the taproom 4 miles away, and I was so ANGRY because only two people from there (out of dozens, including the taproom’s owner, for whom we’ve been excellent customers) bothered to come by to the winery to say Goodbye. And now, it’s not even possible for the taproom owner- WHO HAS NEVER bothered to visit the winery- to come by anymore! The Winery is closed since Sunay… I don’t feel like going there (to the taproom) again!

    The finality of it all, have been at the Winery every Fri, Sat., Sun… And now nothing… And all for a loss. Like, what will I be doing this very Friday? And why would I go to the taproom when the owner didn’t even bother to come by one single time, not even to pay respect, to say a goodbye..?

    I am besides myself, really.. more disturbed than I felt for YEARS!

    But I’m in control on the outside… Just need to figure things out, from here onward.

    #452500
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    thank you so much for your prayers ❤️ 🙏

    You said you’ve recently started to pray again, and I see it as good sign, an opening towards something beyond, an opening that was closed due to the hopelessness of your life with your mother? You said you used to pray as a child (sorry, forgot what it was that you prayed for: for your pain to stop, but also for your mother, right?), but your prayers got unanswered, and so you stopped praying… and stopped believing, I guess?

    I’m so sorry about the loss of the winery… it seems it’s been operating with a loss for some time, given that you’ve been trying to sell it? I hope the money you got for it is not just a tiny fraction of what was invested… but I can imagine it’s a very bad feeling, not just from the financial standpoint, but also because it was something you invested a lot of your hard work and effort, and yet, it couldn’t be sustained 😢

    But it’s good to hear that you’re not in an immediate danger of losing your home, and that you’re not too worried about it:

    I don’t feel a.. clear and present danger of being homeless anytime soon.. but I figure (and I hope I’m figuring wrong) that it’s possible. I am not too worried, really. I take it one day at a time.

    Yes! I hope there’s a plan for the post-winery period, which includes the financial dealings and never becoming homeless! 🤞 🙏

    As for the situation with the taproom owner, have you ever invited him to come visit the winery? Was he promising but never got to actually do it? I understand your anger and disappointment that people didn’t feel too much empathy, and didn’t bother to pay a visit (except 2 of them) before the winery’s final closing 😕

    I’m sorry you’re thinking of never going to the taproom again, since that’s the place where you’ve forged some good relationships… but I understand that if only 2 out of dozens of people there showed interest in the winery’s destiny, that you don’t feel like socializing with them again…

    I am besides myself, really.. more disturbed than I felt for YEARS!

    But I’m in control on the outside… Just need to figure things out, from here onward.

    I’m sorry this has affected you so much… I guess you’ve been anticipating the sale of the winery for some time, but you haven’t anticipated that people would be so neutral about it, not really empathizing with you, not bothering to come and visit. I guess that’s what really hurts…😕

    But yeah, try to remain cool-headed in terms of figuring out your next steps and making the best possible decision, considering the circumstances.

    Wishing you strength and good fortune in this new chapter 🙏 I know it’s not what you wanted, but there isn’t much you can do about it but to accept it, and try to make the best of it…

    🙏 🤍 🫶 ❤️ 🙏

    #452501
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Anita

    Wow you really put your heart and soul into that place. I can hear how special it to you. I’m sorry that you are losing it, you’re left with debt and only two people came to say goodbye to the place. ❤️

    I think that people are uncomfortable with emotions and goodbyes sometimes. You’re a lot more connected to your emotions. It is part of the grieving process for you to say goodbye to a place you loved so much. ❤️

    I think sometimes when we put our heart and soul into something it can feel like a rejection of us. It seems to me that you are the kind of person who puts their heart and soul into everything they do. ❤️

    Sometimes life is hard and unfair. Things don’t work out no matter how much we try. I think it really speaks to your bravery your willingness to put yourself out there and take risks for what you believe in. It is very brave of you! ❤️

    #452521
    Alessa
    Participant

    Oh I’m so sorry Anita! I replied first thing in the morning and my brain was not online yet and I forgot to change the colour of the hearts. Please disregard the red ones.
    🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍

    #452522
    Alessa
    Participant

    Hi Tee

    I just want to say that it has been really nice all three of us talking and getting to know each other better. It is special to be able to connect with people who understand the difficulties that we all grew up with. I’m truly sorry for everything you went through. You are such a special person and it is especially cruel for the person who should support you the most not to see you for who you are and have always been. ❤️

    It is difficult to explain. I don’t really want to get into it too much because this is Anita’s thread. But I can explain a bit more on my thread.

    I’m thinking of you and your spine issues Tee! How frustrating, your back had just recovered.❤️

    Please take all the time you need in replying. I’m here and there anyway. 😊

    #452523
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    I pray that you are okay and not in pain.

    “As for the situation with the taproom owner, have you ever invited him to come visit the winery? Was he promising but never got to actually do it?”-

    No to both questions. It bothered me in the past that we were good customers in his business (the taproom, for years) and he never came by to the winery, never a customer.. not even coming by to look at it. But somehow, I suppressed that disappointment and it erupted (the disappointment) yesterday for the first time.. because it’s really closed, no more days with customers and friends. The finality of it hit me yesterday.

    About praying, as a child, I prayed to the stars: “Please keep my mother alive”. I had no experience with the Jewish religion other than eating religious holiday foods and- on Saturday mornings- hearing prayers from a synagogue, at a distance.

    In my 20s, I came across a born-again Christian in Israel, and the “Jews for Jesus” group in Israel (the 1980s) and later, got together with a born again Christian community in LA- and there, I learned to pray.. “In Jesus Name”. I am not necessarily a Christian, but that’s my only context of praying (other than to the stars).

    At this very moment, I am hearing a troubling conversation.. the new owners are greedy and causing problems.. this is a NIGHTMARE! I need a heavy duty tranquilizer.. alcohol is not doing it for me.

    Sorry for this negative message. It’s like.. Well, I have to go down there and help move things around..

    Please pray for me, Tee.. please do. My anxiety is very elevated, my tics intense.. I am trying to calm myself down…

    Please do pray for me.

    Anita

    #452524
    anita
    Participant

    I will reply to you later, Alessa

    #452525
    Alessa
    Participant

    It’s okay Anita, I understand. You are having a rough day. Please be gentle with yourself 🤍🤍🤍🤍

    #452526
    anita
    Participant

    Oh, I just saw your recent message with all the white hearts, THANK YOU!!!

    #452535
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    “Thank you so much for your prayers”- let’s keep praying for each other!

    “You said you’ve recently started to pray again, and I see it as good sign, an opening towards something beyond, an opening that was closed due to the hopelessness of your life with your mother? You said you used to pray as a child (sorry, forgot what it was that you prayed for: for your pain to stop, but also for your mother, right?)”-

    I prayed for her to not kill herself. I didn’t pray for “my pain” because in my mind she existed, I didn’t; her pain existed big-time.. I didn’t. It was all about her. She was center stage, I was nowhere to be seen.

    “but your prayers got unanswered, and so you stopped praying… and stopped believing, I guess?”- It was answered, looking back, in the sense that she remained alive.. (alive to continue to torture me)

    “I’m so sorry about the loss of the winery… it seems it’s been operating with a loss for some time, given that you’ve been trying to sell it? I hope the money you got for it is not just a tiny fraction of what was invested”-

    Thank you, Tee. The expenses were so huge (including a huge regular pay into insurance in case there’ll be lawsuits, and so many, many other costs), that there was never a profit to reach the few owners of the business.

    The new owners have done their best to minimize the tiny fraction.

    “but I can imagine it’s a very bad feeling, not just from the financial standpoint, but also because it was something you invested a lot of your hard work and effort, and yet, it couldn’t be sustained 😢”-

    My goodness, Tee- I worked so much.. picking apples into huge bins, dropping rotten apples (which were not picked, later in the season) off the many thousand of trees (41 acres), picking corn and squash from the fields where they were grown, weeding, removing the plastic and tubes from the fields after the picking of squash; pruning trees, cutting invasive blackberries and Mullens… washing dishes, drying dishes, cleaning bathroom, dusting, wiping surfaces, sweeping, vacuuming.. moving heavy tables and chairs from here to there many (many!) dozens of times (for events) and so much more, depending on the need, day in and day out.

    “But it’s good to hear that you’re not in an immediate danger of losing your home, and that you’re not too worried about it”- I am not. BUT I neglected it big-time, being focused on the winery.. Just got mice traps after horrifying meeting with mice in the last couple of nights.. which added to my anxiety!

    “Yes! I hope there’s a plan for the post-winery period, which includes the financial dealings and never becoming homeless! 🤞 🙏”- thank you, Tee. First plan: CLEAN, ORGANIZE, REMOVE the too much stuff laying everywhere.. and mice (if I come across a rat in the house, I’ll be beside-beside-beside myself, scared to death!)

    “As for the situation with the taproom owner… I understand your anger and disappointment that people didn’t feel too much empathy, and didn’t bother to pay a visit (except 2 of them) before the winery’s final closing 😕”-

    And the people who did show up, quite a few- were looking for freebies, or the lowest cost purchases from a dying/ closing business, like vultures.

    “I’m sorry you’re thinking of never going to the taproom again, since that’s the place where you’ve forged some good relationships.. but I understand that if only 2 out of dozens of people there showed interest in the winery’s destiny, that you don’t feel like socializing with them again…

    “I’m sorry this has affected you so much.. I guess you’ve been anticipating the sale of the winery for some time, but you haven’t anticipated that people would be so neutral about it, not really empathizing with you, not bothering to come and visit. I guess that’s what really hurts…😕”-

    I was in denial of sorts that it was really on sale. I was hoping for a miracle.

    “But yeah, try to remain cool-headed in terms of figuring out your next steps and making the best possible decision, considering the circumstances.”- well, I got mice traps… Oh, by the way, found a dead rat at the winery this afternoon, removed it with a broom, threw it in the fields.. couldn’t stop smelling it for a while.. May I not come across a rat here, in the house (scared face emoji).

    “Wishing you strength and good fortune in this new chapter 🙏 I know it’s not what you wanted, but there isn’t much you can do about it but to accept it, and try to make the best of it..🙏 🤍 🫶”-

    Thank you, Tee. Tomorrow, Thurs., Dec 4.. I will no longer have access to the winery, and the day after, Friday, the day I’ve been there every Fri for 4 years meeting customers.. I won’t be there. This change, this shift is devastating.. but I think I’m adjusting to it tonight. I think I’m starting to relax into this new reality.

    🙏 🤍 🫶 Anita

    #452536
    anita
    Participant

    Hi Alessa:

    “Wow you really put your heart and soul into that place. I can hear how special it to you. I’m sorry that you are losing it, you’re left with debt and only two people came to say goodbye to the place.”- Thank you, Alessa!

    “I think that people are uncomfortable with emotions and goodbyes sometimes.”- You are right, Alessa. There’s a couple, Bruce and Carol, who’ve been at the winery for years, had their 50 year anniversary here.. they didn’t show up to say goodbye either.

    “You’re a lot more connected to your emotions. It is part of the grieving process for you to say goodbye to a place you loved so much.”- Thank you, Alessa. I am indeed connected to my grieving emotions.

    “I think sometimes when we put our heart and soul into something it can feel like a rejection of us. It seems to me that you are the kind of person who puts their heart and soul into everything they do.”- THANK YOU, ALESSA!

    Sometimes life is hard and unfair. Things don’t work out no matter how much we try. I think it really speaks”- It feels good to hear your words, your support, your encouragement.

    Thank you.

    🤍🤍🤍 Anita

    #452547
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I’m keeping you in my prayers, that this transition period be not so hard on you 🙏

    Because it is a big change, and something you definitely didn’t want, since you say you’ve been in denial about it (I was in denial of sorts that it was really on sale. I was hoping for a miracle.). So now, when it finally happened, it hit you hard, causing strong emotions, as well as anxiety about the future.

    It seems you really loved the place, worked so hard, making sure everything is running smoothly. You worked both in the fields and inside, wherever there was a task that needed to be done – you were there to complete it. As Alessa said, you put your heart and soul into it. 🤍 You’ve even neglected your own house (BUT I neglected it big-time, being focused on the winery), putting all your efforts into the winery (and Tiny Buddha, of course 🙂 )

    And of course, when you give something your everything, it hurts bad that it’s coming to an end, an unsatisfactory end 😕

    The expenses were so huge (including a huge regular pay into insurance in case there’ll be lawsuits, and so many, many other costs), that there was never a profit to reach the few owners of the business.

    Right.. so never in a four years was there a profit for the owners… I guess they were always hoping for better times, for the business to pick up? Perhaps they too wanted it so badly that they didn’t want to see the reality of it: that the expenses are huge and the income doesn’t cover them (or barely covers them)?

    You said you had to pay huge sums towards potential lawsuits, and that you’re grateful that “no one got injured or died as a result of drinking alcohol here (I’d know about it through a lawsuit)

    I don’t understand that part: if it was legal to serve alcohol at the premises, why would the winery be responsible if someone gets injured as a result of alcohol consumption?

    The new owners have done their best to minimize the tiny fraction.

    I’m sorry about that, Anita 😢 I guess they offered a very low price, and the owners were forced to accept it, because keeping it was bringing more loss with each day, right?

    No to both questions. It bothered me in the past that we were good customers in his business (the taproom, for years) and he never came by to the winery, never a customer.. not even coming by to look at it. But somehow, I suppressed that disappointment and it erupted (the disappointment) yesterday for the first time..

    Okay, so you’ve never asked the taproom owner to come visit the winery, even though you were secretly hoping that he would… since you were such good customers. You were hoping he would show interest and reciprocate, but you’ve never expressed it to him.

    I understand why you’re feeling disappointed that he didn’t just spontaneously decide to pay you a visit. But we don’t know what was in his head: maybe he would have if you had asked him, or maybe he wouldn’t. I’m not blaming you at all, just exploring the possibilities of why he’s never paid you a visit. I hope you don’t mind me doing that?

    You said that you had pretty significant social anxiety, and that when in the company of people at various social events, you mostly listened, but you didn’t contribute to the conversation much (if I got that right?). So perhaps you haven’t talked much to him either, haven’t engaged in a conversation, and so he didn’t feel as close to you as to come visit the winery on its own accord?

    Just thinking out loud here…

    And the people who did show up, quite a few- were looking for freebies, or the lowest cost purchases from a dying/ closing business, like vultures.

    Well, that’s human nature… nobody likes to pay more if not necessary. Probably those goods were put on sale, and people bought them?

    But I guess what hurts more is that you didn’t get much empathy from the people who used to frequent the winery, such as that couple, Bruce and Carol? It’s like they didn’t care that the place is closing, they didn’t care about you… At least that’s the message they are sending, and it does hurt 😕

    This change, this shift is devastating.. but I think I’m adjusting to it tonight. I think I’m starting to relax into this new reality.

    That’s good… it is a big emotional shock, because it’s something you loved and didn’t want to let go. What’s good about it is that you’re most likely safe in terms of keeping the house and that you won’t become homeless. 🙏 And as you said, you’ve got your new focus:

    First plan: CLEAN, ORGANIZE, REMOVE the too much stuff laying everywhere.. and mice (if I come across a rat in the house, I’ll be beside-beside-beside myself, scared to death!)

    You said routine has always helped you calm down, so I guess you’ve got to find a new routine, perhaps around cleaning and organizing the house at first. And I guess you get to do your daily walks too.

    I was thinking that you’re lucky that you’re in good health and mobile (something I’m very limited with), and that you’re able to do hard physical work – showing how healthy and strong you are. And I’d see it as a very valuable resource, which I would be over the moon to get back.

    I’m not saying this to diminish your predicament, or to minimize your pain and loss. Not at all! I’m just saying that you’ve still got your health, which is super important. And you can start anew, invent your life anew.

    I know that finances are very important too, and I hope that that sorts itself out. But if you find yourself spiraling into “oh my God, what’s going to happen to me now?!” kind of thinking, perhaps it can help to think that you’ve still got your health, and that you can use your strength and mobility and all other skills and talents in some new endeavors.

    I hope you’ll feel more hopeful in the following days, as you’re accepting and relaxing into this new reality. Perhaps you can reframe it as a loss, but not a devastating, unrecoverable loss. You do have the ability to bounce back, and I’m sure you will! 🤍

    Dear Anita, I’ll keep praying for you!

    🙏 🤍 🫶 🤍 🙏

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