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    anita
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    Dear Tee:

    I wish you did have your own, private pool. As far as your concern in regard to hygiene in a public pool, I thought chlorine took care of that..

    I wonder how you’re feeling/ doing today/ tonight..?

    “The idea is to push those horrible, shaming words out of your personal space and your sense of identity. Pushing them out, rejecting them, becoming free from them… Yes, perhaps you could recall those false accusations/qualifications that she was hurling at you, and then counter them with true statements. I’m not sure how best to do it, but I wouldn’t even say her false accusations out loud (not to give them power), but only your counter-statements, affirming the truth of who you are.”-

    I am a good little girl. I deserve love and appreciation. I always did. I was always a good little girl. I deserved acceptance, acceptance of the human body I found myself in, living with it in peace. I deserve gentle coaching, being taught how to live, how to make choices, to have agency in my life, to love myself and hold myself accountable for my words and actions today and every day.

    And you too, Tee. You deserve acceptance and appreciation, peace within your body, agency, hope.. and your own private pool 😊

    🙏 🤍 🙏 Anita

    #451742
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    actually I was feeling quite good yesterday, not too much pain thankfully. It’s a good feeling to be pain-free, or almost pain-free in my body, even if it’s just for a short while. So I appreciated it. 🙏 Let’s hope today will be similar 🤞😊

    Again, no one has ever said these words to me. If only someone said this to me when I was 18, 28, 38.. struggling with severe depression. Everyone has always been For Mother (any mother) and against anyone who spoke against mother.

    Societal Empathy and Allegiance has Always been With Mother…

    I’m sorry that no one acknowledged your pain before… I can imagine people back at home told you platitudes, like “your mother did the best she could, she sacrificed so much for you, you should be grateful to your mother, your mother loves you”, and stuff like that, right? What about later, in therapy? Have you talked about your childhood in therapy?

    You are hearing me, Tee, saying: yes, it really happened. I hear you. I believe you.

    Yes, I really do. I hear you. I believe you. I trust that it happened. And that it was horrific 🙁

    As I wrote “my chest”, I felt ashamed, ashamed of having a chest.. meaning having a female chest.. So much shame about.. well, I’m too ashamed to talk about it. So much shame she inflicted on me for.. well, for the body being anything different from a clean, plastic doll’s body, genderless.. plasticly clean.

    I’ve received a small portion of the similar type of shaming from my mother too. It wasn’t nearly as extensive, but I’ve never felt good in my body. I felt ashamed of myself, and that included my body too.

    I can imagine how painful it was for you to hear those shaming words… I’m now thinking that she used to bathe you and dress you into your teenage years. Is that when the body-related shaming started?

    I hope this is not too much for you, Tee..?

    It’s not too much, Anita. I’ve experienced a small portion of it myself, so I understand.

    What is more challenging to me is how to help you, since I’m not a therapist. And so I’m thinking that I should refrain from suggesting various corrective exercises, since some of those might be triggering for you.

    I’m almost sure that you would benefit from some type of somatic therapy, e.g. Somatic Experiencing (which I think you mentioned in a response to a member a while ago). Because it involves working with the body (where the trauma is stored), but in a very gentle, gradual way, so that you never get overwhelmed. I think somatic therapy involves various corrective exercises too, but again, it happens in an orderly way, tailored to each individual’s needs.

    So I’m a bit reluctant to suggest those exercises, because I’m not an expert, and trauma healing is best done with expert guidance…

    I am a good little girl. I deserve love and appreciation. I always did. I was always a good little girl. I deserved acceptance, acceptance of the human body I found myself in, living with it in peace. I deserve gentle coaching, being taught how to live, how to make choices, to have agency in my life, to love myself and hold myself accountable for my words and actions today and every day.

    Those are all very good affirmations, Anita. Just one observation, if I may: I think that from the perspective of the inner child, you don’t even need to put a stress on holding yourself accountable. Because being a child is primarily about feeling loved, cared for, and care-free. Holding yourself accountable is more a feature of your adult self.

    So perhaps your inner child – little girl Anita – should simply be loved, nurtured, gently held, soothed… (by your adult self), without any expectations on her, including the expectation to be accountable for her words and actions.

    Expectations come later in life, but as infants and toddlers, we should be mostly just receiving, without being expected to give anything in return (now it occurs to me that it would be the closest feeling to unconditional love, I guess: just receiving the goodness, soaking it in, and not being expected to earn it in any way).

    What do you say?

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

    P.S. I’ll reply to the rest in another post, hopefully later today.

    #451744
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    “Actually I was feeling quite good yesterday, not too much pain thankfully. It’s a good feeling to be pain-free, or almost pain-free in my body, even if it’s just for a short while. So I appreciated it. 🙏 Let’s hope today will be similar 🤞😊”-

    I do hope so! 🙏 🍀 🤞 🍀 😊

    As I read the above, I noticed that it’s a good feeling to be tic-free in my body.. even if it’s just for a short while, and to breathe comfortably (not holding my breath).

    “I’m sorry that no one acknowledged your pain before… I can imagine people back at home told you platitudes, like ‘your mother did the best she could, she sacrificed so much for you, you should be grateful to your mother, your mother loves you’, and stuff like that, right?”- Right. Again, it’s like you were there.

    “What about later, in therapy? Have you talked about your childhood in therapy?”- Yes, I did share (2011-13) and I received enough support from my therapist at the time to decide (2013) to end contact with the mother. But what happened next was very disappointing to me, almost heart breaking: he did not support my decision. He was neither for it or against it. He definitely did not express approval of it. So, I thought: if he agreed with me about how terrible it was, why wouldn’t he support ending contact with her?

    I interpreted his lack of approval and support as.. a repeat of any of the messages you listed above, as well as this message: Mother is Always Right (even when she is wrong), and A daughter Must Never End Contact with Her Mother No Matter What.

    Shortly after, therapy ended as I left the State to another.

    “Yes, I really do. I hear you. I believe you. I trust that it happened. And that it was horrific 🙁”- Thank you, Tee. You are the best ✨ ✨ ✨

    “I’ve received a small portion of the similar type of shaming from my mother too. It wasn’t nearly as extensive, but I’ve never felt good in my body. I felt ashamed of myself, and that included my body too.”- I am sorry that you too suffered this kind of pain 🙁

    “I can imagine how painful it was for you to hear those shaming words.. I’m now thinking that she used to bathe you and dress you into your teenage years. Is that when the body-related shaming started?”-

    The body related shaming started way earlier. I just remembered something I didn’t think about for a long time. I was in the bathtub. It wasn’t a big bathtub, quite narrow. It was me (I was skinny) and my sister lying down in the bathtub, so I think I was maybe 7 or 8. This is what I remember so very clearly: when the mother entered the bathroom, I was alarmed and immediately turned over so that my back was facing her. I didn’t want the front facing her. I didn’t want my back facing her, but of the two options, her seeing my back side was preferrable to the front.

    She shamed everyone’s bodies, meaning, in her conversations with her sisters, mostly on the phone, she’d gossip a lot and talk in derogatory ways about women’s bodies, how faulty they are (for not being model-like perfect), how they should be ashamed of themselves for not adequately covering their imperfections with loose/ modest clothing & such. There was a whole lot of such talking that I heard second hand. She used very vulgar words for a woman’s.. private part in her conversations. And there was no way to not hear her talking because the apartment was a very small 1-bdr apartment.

    As a child and onward, I knew about neighbors’ and cousins’ sexual practices because she talked about such on the phone. A lot. And there was a lot of shaming involved. There was absolutely no censorship in her talking to her sisters on the phone (or in person), considering there was a child present. I remember seeing the people she talked about in real life and having the images in my mind of what they were doing sexually. It was very unpleasant for me to have those images.

    As far as the bathing as a teenager- that was excruciating. It was traumatic. To say NO to her didn’t even cross my mind. Not an option. But at one point on, I negotiated and was allowed to wash parts of me on my own. And at one point on, I was to be in the bathroom alone and was myself on my own, then call her to come in and wash my back and head only(she said I couldn’t do it right on my own). So, I’d wash, call her name, she’d come in and I’d cover myself with 1 or 2 hands I had available. I had to choose what to cover. I didn’t want her to see anything of my body, but had to choose what to prioritize hiding. I was very uptight the whole time she was there.

    I clearly remember her hands scrubbing my head, digging into my scalp so hard that it was painful. I remember making a noise, a quiet noise indicating it was painful but it didn’t help. She washed my head as if it was a very dirty appliance that needed to be scrubbed hard.

    After the ordeal, I remember being very clean and in pajamas and feeling so relieved that I was finally covered, safe within the pajamas, nakedness unseen. I don’t remember until what age she washed me and how it came about that she stopped.

    All this part I just shared, I didn’t share it with my therapist at the time.. or if I did, only a tiny bit of it (don’t remember at all)

    “It’s not too much, Anita. I’ve experienced a small portion of it myself, so I understand.”- I hope it’s still not too much. I would very much like to read your thoughts and understanding of al this.

    “What is more challenging to me is how to help you, since I’m not a therapist. And so I’m thinking that I should refrain from suggesting various corrective exercises, since some of those might be triggering for you.

    “I’m almost sure that you would benefit from some type of somatic therapy, e.g. Somatic Experiencing (which I think you mentioned in a response to a member a while ago). Because it involves working with the body (where the trauma is stored), but in a very gentle, gradual way, so that you never get overwhelmed. I think somatic therapy involves various corrective exercises too, but again, it happens in an orderly way, tailored to each individual’s needs.

    “So I’m a bit reluctant to suggest those exercises, because I’m not an expert, and trauma healing is best done with expert guidance..”-

    I think you are very correct here: I would benefit from somatic therapy/ experiencing. In the context of self-help (not therapy), if you feel comfortable, you are welcome to suggest a small, mild exercise for me..? I would like that.

    “Those are all very good affirmations, Anita. Just one observation, if I may: I think that from the perspective of the inner child, you don’t even need to put a stress on holding yourself accountable. Because being a child is primarily about feeling loved, cared for, and care-free. Holding yourself accountable is more a feature of your adult self.

    “So perhaps your inner child – little girl Anita – should simply be loved, nurtured, gently held, soothed… (by your adult self), without any expectations on her, including the expectation to be accountable for her words and actions.

    “Expectations come later in life, but as infants and toddlers, we should be mostly just receiving, without being expected to give anything in return (now it occurs to me that it would be the closest feeling to unconditional love, I guess: just receiving the goodness, soaking it in, and not being expected to earn it in any way). What do you say?”-

    I say: you are correct, Tee. I agree. I didn’t notice this point, so thank you for bringing it up (and for doing it so thoughtfully and gently).

    When I read the word “receiving” in “we should be mostly just receiving”, as in, the inner child receiving.. I felt alarmed, as in receiving the mother’s hands on my naked body, or receiving her hands scrubbing my hurting scalp..

    Thank you, Tee, for being a safe place for me to recall and share all this, safe, supportive, intelligent, understanding.. amazing ✨ ✨ ✨

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ Anita

    #451745
    anita
    Participant

    Attempt at Corrective Exercise:

    Adult Anita is traveling back into the past, into that little apartment, into that bathroom (I am playing a YouTube audio of a beautiful Hebrew song, the kind I could have heard back then, a song about Cinderela and the seven dwarfs.. and another from the times of back then, in that time).

    Adult Anita has arrived at that tiny apartment, silently opening the locked door and slowly, silently stepping in. I hear the sound of water in the small bathroom directly to my left, water running slowly. There’s an adult woman washing dishes ahead of me, in the tiny kitchen. She doesn’t see me, singularly focused on cleaning those dishes.. just right.

    I turn to my left, I knock.

    Little Girl Anita (LGA): (Alarmed, she never heard knocking on that door) Silent, unfamiliar with knocking.

    Adult Anita (AA): I am future Anita. I am here your clean, dried pajamas. I’ll wait here until you finish washing and drying, and when you’re finished, tell me so, and I will stretch my arm toward you, holding your pajamas. I will stay outside the door. I will not see you.

    + LGA washing, drying, quickly, afraid. “I am done”, she says with a trembling voice, arm stretched, taking pajamas, putting them on quickly. “I am done”, she says.

    AA: Shh.. LGA. It’s okay. I am here to help you..

    I am here to make it safe for you, so that you don’t have to be scared anymore. (Opening door, seeing LGA wide eyed, breathing fast, scared, almost fainting)

    * Taking a moment, feeling unwell.

    AA holding LGA in her arms, feeling little heart beating so fast, so loud, hushing LGA.. Sh… sh..

    LGA calmer.

    AA takes LGA in her arms, and forming a magical bubble, they float up into the air, up a soft, white, fluffy cloud.

    AA: sh.. sh… Tell me LGA..?

    LGA: It’s so quiet here. But Ima.. take me down, let’s bring her up here too.

    AA: Sh… sh… Let her go, let her be there, below us where she can’t reach you anymore, can’t touch you, can’t shame you, can’t hurt you.

    LGA: Are you my new mother?

    AA: Yes, I am. I am your new mother. I am the mother who knocks before she enters, the mother who hears your silent cry when you’re hurting, the mother who notices what you are feeling, who wants to know, the one who asks: how are you feeling? The one who loves you, just as you are!

    LGA: But who will love her? She needs me!!!

    AA: Sh… No, sweet, beautiful little girl: it’s you who needed her all along. Not the other way around.

    LGA: She NEEDS ME

    AA: She needs to hurt you. I don’t want you hurt anymore. I am here to help you, I need to help you. I need you helped, not hurt.

    I want you helped, I want you safe. I am your new mother, the one who knocks, the one who asks, the one who offers.. the one who’s gentle.

    You are safe now, LGA.. sh…

    Anita

    #451763
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    I am transitioning from having this other person (mother) move from being the focus of my life, the one on center stage=> to the sideway, while I (inner child & adult) take center stage.

    Decades of dissociation, self estrangement, alienation, not knowing myself.. shifting to =>

    Here I am, the forgotten one!

    The forgotten Anita.

    All that mattered before was: she, she, she.. she she she… this other person.

    This other person, a combination of full blown borderline, histrionic, paranoid, obsessive-compulsive.. (Covert) narcissistic.. all of these 24/7 personality disorders- and me (the forgotten one) growing up (inward/ dying) with all of that.

    And now, today, while on my uphill walk outdoors, irl.. things shifted from dissociation/ denial/ auto pilot (as if I wasn’t there all along, absent.. not there), to=> it really did happen.. It did happen to me. It REALLY happened.

    This multi-faceted trauma, day after day, night after night, year after year, it really happened: I was really there. And here I am.

    All along, I was in the shadows, all I could see was her on center stage. Her pain. Her everything.

    On the walk today, I saw ME on center stage. She wasn’t there, on center stage.

    I don’t want to think about her anymore, Tee. Here is me, The Forgotten One.

    Here I am, the person I never got to be.

    This is real here, Tee.

    This is real.

    It’s .. the focus of SIX decades been the wrong focus.

    Seems like everything a mother can do wrong to a daughter, she did.. every single thing except for.. literally breaking my bones, or .. well, she did penetrate my body.. there, with her fingers. Just to check, she said.

    It was truly a nightmare, Tee. Truly a nightmare.

    It’s like.. well, she left nothing innocent within me, nothing untouched by vulgarity.

    Me on center stage. Me, good.. not vulgar. Me, good, clean. Me, no more her, that contamination.

    May I live clean, pure, untouched by vulgarity.

    (This all may be too much..? Yet true.. truth of my life, nothing I chose).

    I hope this is not too much for you, Tee. If it is, and if you don’t respond further to me, I will understand.

    Anita

    #451768
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    that was a wonderful corrective exercise: you treating your younger self the way she should have been treated: with respect, care and consideration, taking her needs into account, not violating her personal space and her boundaries. I loved reading it, and I hope you feel some positive change from it?

    Your mother unfortunately violated your boundaries, not only emotional but physical too. It seems she felt like she owes your body and is entitled to do with it whatever she sees fit, including penetrating it (to check for virginity, I guess?). Which is a horrible sexual violation and I think would qualify for taking the child away from her.

    On the walk today, I saw ME on center stage. She wasn’t there, on center stage.

    That’s good. I think one of the key preconditions for healing is to stop wanting to save her. In this latest corrective exercise, your inner child felt the need to save her, but you, the adult Anita, told LGA the truth:

    She needs to hurt you. I don’t want you hurt anymore. I am here to help you, I need to help you. I need you helped, not hurt.

    I want you helped, I want you safe. I am your new mother, the one who knocks, the one who asks, the one who offers.. the one who’s gentle.

    That was beautiful! Indeed, you need to help yourself and LGA to heal from the trauma your mother inflicted upon you. Your mother doesn’t need saving. Instead, you need saving from her. What I mean is that you need healing from the legacy and the false conditioning your mother’s abuse left on you.

    It’s .. the focus of SIX decades been the wrong focus.

    Me on center stage. Me, good.. not vulgar. Me, good, clean. Me, no more her, that contamination.

    May I live clean, pure, untouched by vulgarity.

    Yes, the focus was on pleasing her, making her happy, and saving her from her misery.

    Now, the focus should turn to you: healing yourself from the trauma she’s caused you. Reclaiming your purity, innocence and goodness – reclaiming that which she so violently and callously took away from you. Taking your inner child under your own wing, like a small innocent bird, or a puppy (if you’re inclined to such imagery), and nursing it back to health, so to speak.

    I want to stress one thing: your innocence, purity and goodness are still there, intact, but you need to claim it. You need to start seeing yourself as pure, innocent and good – and treating yourself like that. Purging your mother’s false notions of you, her lies, her intrusions, claiming your mind and your body for yourself.

    Slowly but surely, since it can’t happen over night. But little by little. The goal would be to purge yourself from her false imprint and be reborn into a new identity. Be your own person, free from her toxic influence.

    That’s what I see as the goal of your healing and the path forward. What do you think?

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

    #451769
    Tee
    Participant

    * correction: owns your body

    #451772
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    It was very interesting to read about your Uncle Morris and how he, in spite of also having grown up as an orphan and having been severely beaten, managed to become an emotionally healthy and kind person:

    Yes, he was orphaned too and while she was sent to an orphanage kind of institution, and later, lived with her very abusive older sister, he was sent to live in a Kibbutz where he was terribly abused, mercilessly beaten on a regular basis by one of the kibbutz’s residents, a sadistic holocaust survivor- for a long, long time. That abuse may have been the reason for his severe seizures/ epilepsy.

    For some reason, unlike the other siblings, he was interested in reading about psychology, got himself self-educated and attentive to the psychological development of his children. Each one of them grew up to be a unique individual with his/ her own unique path in life, and successful (last I remember.. and I remember wondering how it came up to be many years ago).

    It seems that indeed, something was different about him, and he chose to rise above his trauma instead of perpetuating it and transferring it to the next generation.

    It reminds me of Viktor Frankl, who too was a Holocaust survivor, but instead of becoming sadistic like your uncle’s abuser, he used his experience in concentrations camps to write his best-selling book “Man’s search for meaning”. I haven’t read the book yet, but I think it talks about finding meaning as a way of transcending pain and suffering. And I relate to that, even though my suffering is incomparable to his.

    The way I see it: Viktor Frank transcended his trauma and didn’t let it destroy him. Other people, such as your mother, her older sister, and that sadistic Kibbutz resident, got drowned in it, I suppose, and found horrible ways to cope – by becoming abusers themselves.

    I suppose your uncle wanted to alleviate his pain and suffering: that’s why he started reading self-help books and got interested in psychology. Whereas your mother (and my mother) decided that life is suffering – period, and that there is nothing they can do to help themselves. It’s like they got stuck in their trauma and in the victim mentality – and as a result, they made not only their own lives miserable, but also the lives of those around them.

    Yes, I did share (2011-13) and I received enough support from my therapist at the time to decide (2013) to end contact with the mother. But what happened next was very disappointing to me, almost heart breaking: he did not support my decision. He was neither for it or against it. He definitely did not express approval of it. So, I thought: if he agreed with me about how terrible it was, why wouldn’t he support ending contact with her?

    I interpreted his lack of approval and support as.. a repeat of any of the messages you listed above, as well as this message: Mother is Always Right (even when she is wrong), and A daughter Must Never End Contact with Her Mother No Matter What.

    Shortly after, therapy ended as I left the State to another.

    Wow, that is disappointing that your therapist didn’t support you when you decided to end contact with your mother. He knew that your mother was very abusive and would make you depressed every time you visited her or talked to her on the phone. Like, why would you expose yourself to more of her abuse – just to follow some social norms, or to appear “grown up” and “mature”?

    Yeah, I can see why you didn’t feel like continuing therapy with him. I can imagine this was a blind spot of his, where he didn’t really see things clearly…

    She shamed everyone’s bodies, meaning, in her conversations with her sisters, mostly on the phone, she’d gossip a lot and talk in derogatory ways about women’s bodies, how faulty they are (for not being model-like perfect), how they should be ashamed of themselves for not adequately covering their imperfections with loose/ modest clothing & such. There was a whole lot of such talking that I heard second hand. She used very vulgar words for a woman’s.. private part in her conversations. And there was no way to not hear her talking because the apartment was a very small 1-bdr apartment.

    As a child and onward, I knew about neighbors’ and cousins’ sexual practices because she talked about such on the phone. A lot. And there was a lot of shaming involved. There was absolutely no censorship in her talking to her sisters on the phone (or in person), considering there was a child present. I remember seeing the people she talked about in real life and having the images in my mind of what they were doing sexually. It was very unpleasant for me to have those images.

    My goodness! Using vulgar, explicit language in front of the child, and commenting other people’s sexual lives in front of you – that’s totally inappropriate and abusive. It was exposing you to inappropriate sexual content – violating the innocence of a child’s mind. :\

    As far as the bathing as a teenager- that was excruciating. It was traumatic. To say NO to her didn’t even cross my mind. Not an option.

    Yes, I can imagine. By that time you were already conditioned to accept everything, or else face her rage, or her suicide threats… 🙁

    But at one point on, I negotiated and was allowed to wash parts of me on my own. And at one point on, I was to be in the bathroom alone and was myself on my own, then call her to come in and wash my back and head only(she said I couldn’t do it right on my own).

    Good for you! You did manage you negotiate something for yourself. You did show some agency, you did stand up for yourself, even if just a little. But I can imagine how excruciatingly painful and embarrassing that whole experience was, and how horribly you felt about it.

    All this part I just shared, I didn’t share it with my therapist at the time.. or if I did, only a tiny bit of it (don’t remember at all)

    I can understand why – he was a man, so that might have been one reason. It’s hard to share such intimate things with a person of the opposite sex…

    When I read the word “receiving” in “we should be mostly just receiving”, as in, the inner child receiving.. I felt alarmed, as in receiving the mother’s hands on my naked body, or receiving her hands scrubbing my hurting scalp..

    Right… receiving anything from her was toxic, felt like a violation. Perhaps what would help is to always imagine adult Anita (AA) next to LGA, whenever you think of your inner child? Maybe adult Anita should become LGA’s chaperone and a trusted person, so that no one can get to LGA, unless approved by AA? I wonder if that’s something that would make you feel safer?

    Oh, and by the way, I started incorporating strengthening the quadriceps into my daily exercise yesterday, following your advice (strengthening the gluteus muscles has been part of my daily exercise for years).

    Good to hear that! Have you noticed any difference?

    And good job being so conscientious about physical exercise over the years! I’m sure it will help you stay fit and healthy for a long time! (flexed muscle emoji 🙂 )

    #451778
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    The first smile on my face took place when I read on the other thread that your pain being practically gone 🙂 🤞

    I am reading your two posts a part at a time, quoting & responding before I read the next part.

    “That was a wonderful corrective exercise: you treating your younger self the way she should have been treated: with respect, care and consideration, taking her needs into account, not violating her personal space and her boundaries. I loved reading it, and I hope you feel some positive change from it?”-

    I just experienced the 2nd smile when I read “I loved reading it”. Also, when I read “the way she should have treated: with respect”, the word “respect” stood out to me as something starkly absent from how she treated me, I mean, ABSENT, alarmingly not there.

    “Your mother unfortunately violated your boundaries, not only emotional but physical too. It seems she felt like she owns your body and is entitled to do with it whatever she sees fit, including penetrating it (to check for virginity, I guess?). Which is a horrible sexual violation and I think would qualify for taking the child away from her.”-

    I remember the feel of her fingers washing me there, in the shower. Just like she scrubbed my head hard to .. remove all the dirt, and I could feel her fingers scrubbing my scalp, she washed me similarly elsewhere, penetrating a bit deeper than the surface, or so it felt. I think/ hope that was pre-puberty. I remember the penetrative feeling of her fingers as I am typing this.

    I remember the burning feeling of soap (maybe cut a bit by her fingernails, maybe not), and I was scared I was dying.. and she insisted on having to look there in full light. That was post puberty and the shame on my part was immense.. That was one traumatizing moment.

    So, no, it wasn’t to check for virginity (throughout school, all the way to graduating from high school and after, I never had a single date, or being alone with a guy. So, no suspicion of not being a virgin.

    Oh, I just remembered, and I think I shared about it long ago in one of my older threads that when I was in my early 20s and did have a date, she waited for me to return at night, angry, and she said: “You are with him because he has (male organ), and I don’t?”

    What do you think of that sentence, Tee? I never quite understood it, but it was one of the many traumatizing moments. I never received anyone’s thoughts about what this sentence- question means.. ownership? ..?

    “That’s good. I think one of the key preconditions for healing is to stop wanting to save her. In this latest corrective exercise, your inner child felt the need to save her, but you, the adult Anita, told LGA the truth:

    ‘She needs to hurt you. I don’t want you hurt anymore. I am here to help you, I need to help you. I need you helped, not hurt.”

    ‘I want you helped, I want you safe. I am your new mother, the one who knocks, the one who asks, the one who offers.. the one who’s gentle.’

    “That was beautiful! Indeed, you need to help yourself and LGA to heal from the trauma your mother inflicted upon you. Your mother doesn’t need saving. Instead, you need saving from her. What I mean is that you need healing from the legacy and the false conditioning your mother’s abuse left on you.”-

    Thank you. It isn’t and shouldn’t be the Victim’s responsibility to save the Perpetrator. To feel such responsibility and to act on it is sickness, it’s upside down.

    “Yes, the focus was on pleasing her, making her happy, and saving her from her misery. Now, the focus should turn to you: healing yourself from the trauma she’s caused you. Reclaiming your purity, innocence and goodness – reclaiming that which she so violently and callously took away from you. Taking your inner child under your own wing, like a small innocent bird, or a puppy (if you’re inclined to such imagery), and nursing it back to health, so to speak.”-

    Reclaiming purity… To see my body as something pure or innocent or good would be a new experience for me. See my body like an innocent bird’s body.. or a puppy’s..? Maybe I will do a corrective exercise using these images later.

    Indeed, she was violent and callous.

    “I want to stress one thing: your innocence, purity and goodness are still there, intact, but you need to claim it. You need to start seeing yourself as pure, innocent and good – and treating yourself like that. Purging your mother’s false notions of you, her lies, her intrusions, claiming your mind and your body for yourself.”-

    I’m definitely going to do a corrective exercise on the matter 🙏

    “Slowly but surely, since it can’t happen over night. But little by little. The goal would be to purge yourself from her false imprint and be reborn into a new identity. Be your own person, free from her toxic influence. That’s what I see as the goal of your healing and the path forward. What do you think?”-

    I agree, whole heartedly 🙏 ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ 🙏

    2nd post (next submission)

    Anita

    #451779
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    “It was very interesting to read about your Uncle Morris and how he, in spite of also having grown up as an orphan and having been severely beaten, managed to become an emotionally healthy and kind person… It seems that indeed, something was different about him, and he chose to rise above his trauma instead of perpetuating it and transferring it to the next generation.

    “It reminds me of Viktor Frankl, who too was a Holocaust survivor, but instead of becoming sadistic like your uncle’s abuser, he used his experience in concentrations camps to write his best-selling book ‘Man’s search for meaning’. I haven’t read the book yet, but I think it talks about finding meaning as a way of transcending pain and suffering. And I relate to that, even though my suffering is incomparable to his.

    “The way I see it: Viktor Frank transcended his trauma and didn’t let it destroy him. Other people, such as your mother, her older sister, and that sadistic Kibbutz resident, got drowned in it, I suppose, and found horrible ways to cope – by becoming abusers themselves.

    “I suppose your uncle wanted to alleviate his pain and suffering: that’s why he started reading self-help books and got interested in psychology. Whereas your mother (and my mother) decided that life is suffering – period, and that there is nothing they can do to help themselves. It’s like they got stuck in their trauma and in the victim mentality – and as a result, they made not only their own lives miserable, but also the lives of those around them.”-

    Thank you, Tee, for helping me transcend trauma, pain and suffering.

    “My suffering is incomparable to his.”- I thought about this point before. Actually, I thought about it as a response to what the mother used to say (again and again.. and again) that, paraphrased, that my suffering is incomparable to hers. Actually, she didn’t acknowledge any suffering on my part. But my point, I countered her words (that I had a very good childhood, that I was so lucky, compared to her childhood) with: when a child is suffering, the child doesn’t have another person’s experience, only the child’s own experience. In other words, another person’s suffering does not alleviates the child’s suffering by comparison.

    So, although the circumstances were dramatically different, you may have suffered just as much as Viktor Frankl, is what I think.

    I read the book in high school (part of the curriculum) and once as an adult. I just asked Copilot for information on what we’re talking about here. here’s what it says:

    “Frankl, a Holocaust survivor and psychiatrist, observed firsthand how people responded differently to extreme suffering in Nazi concentration camps. His insights form the foundation of logotherapy, a meaning-centered approach to psychological healing. Here’s how he explains the divergence in human behavior under duress:

    “Why Some Transcend Suffering-

    “* Meaning as motivation: Frankl believed that the primary human drive is not pleasure or power, but meaning. Those who found meaning—even in suffering—were able to endure unimaginable conditions. (my comment: this is what you do, what you expressed repeatedly!)

    “* Spiritual freedom: He emphasized that even in the most brutal circumstances, people retained the freedom to choose their attitude. This inner freedom allowed some to rise above their suffering. (my comment: you didn’t read the book, Tee, but this is what you do, what you practice!)

    “* Responsibility to others: Many prisoners who survived did so by focusing on loved ones, unfinished work, or a sense of duty. This outward focus often led them to help others despite their own pain. (.. My comment: this is what you’ve done for years in these forums, helping or trying to help others despite your own pain. And you ARE helping me!)

    “Why Others Gave Up or Became Abusive-

    “* Loss of meaning: Frankl noted that when people lost sight of purpose, they became vulnerable to despair, apathy, or aggression.

    “* Dehumanization: The camps stripped individuals of identity and dignity. Some responded by internalizing this brutality and becoming cruel themselves.

    “* Moral choice: Frankl insisted that suffering does not automatically ennoble a person. It presents a challenge—some rise to it, others succumb. He wrote, ‘Every day, every hour, offered the opportunity to make a decision… to become worthy of one’s suffering or to ignore it’.

    “Key Quote- ‘Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom.’ — Viktor Frankl”-

    You didn’t read the book, Tee, but you embody its messages, you are passing them on, amazing!

    Back to your words, Tee: “Viktor Frank transcended his trauma and didn’t let it destroy him. Other people, such as your mother, her older sister, and that sadistic Kibbutz resident, got drowned in it, I suppose, and found horrible ways to cope – by becoming abusers themselves.”-

    Yes, drowned in despair but not quite.. my mother rose above her despair in a way, rose above it so to use it as a weapon, hence the shaming, the guilt-tripping, the violence.

    “I suppose your uncle wanted to alleviate his pain and suffering: that’s why he started reading self-help books and got interested in psychology. Whereas your mother (and my mother) decided that life is suffering – period, and that there is nothing they can do to help themselves. It’s like they got stuck in their trauma and in the victim mentality – and as a result, they made not only their own lives miserable, but also the lives of those around them.”-

    Yes. Uncle Morris had a positive purpose: to heal, to promote healing in others. My mother and her older sister had a different purpose: to use their suffering as a weapon.

    Your mother closed her heart.. So, no heart, no love for Tee..? Even without violence like clear and present verbal abuse, name calling, hitting, etc., a mother’s cold heart is.. What are the words.. What does a mother’s cold, cold heart do to a little girl who desperately and understandably, naturally needs a mother’s warmth?

    “Wow, that is disappointing that your therapist didn’t support you when you decided to end contact with your mother. He knew that your mother was very abusive and would make you depressed every time you visited her or talked to her on the phone.”-

    THANK YOU!!!

    “Like, why would you expose yourself to more of her abuse – just to follow some social norms, or to appear ‘grown up’ and ‘mature’?”- I would have asked him this if I could go back in time.

    “Yeah, I can see why you didn’t feel like continuing therapy with him. I can imagine this was a blind spot of his, where he didn’t really see things clearly..”- yes, blind spot. Interestingly perhaps, he was an American whose parents were Moroccan, the same country of origin as my mother’s.

    “My goodness! Using vulgar, explicit language in front of the child, and commenting other people’s sexual lives in front of you – that’s totally inappropriate and abusive. It was exposing you to inappropriate sexual content – violating the innocence of a child’s mind.”-

    Again, a first, no one has ever said that to me.. When I told my sister about some of this, she dismissed it as.. just the way she is, something like that, as in.. no big deal type thing.

    “Yes, I can imagine. By that time you were already conditioned to accept everything, or else face her rage, or her suicide threats… 🙁”- Yes, had to shrink myself to bare minimum (no agency, to hold my breath.. no.. nothing but bare physical existence, so to.. get along/ to physically survive until such time in the future when I can breathe.

    “Good for you! You did manage you negotiate something for yourself. You did show some agency, you did stand up for yourself, even if just a little. But I can imagine how excruciatingly painful and embarrassing that whole experience was, and how horribly you felt about it.”-

    Thank you, Tee. And yes, it was excruciating.. but it feels less excruciating now because I told you and you listened and fully validated me. Because of you, I am not alone with this. It’s not just me and her in that repeated scenes of emotional horror. You are there warmly smiling at me, being on my side, helping me. I am not alone there anymore.

    “I can understand why – he was a man, so that might have been one reason. It’s hard to share such intimate things with a person of the opposite sex..”- actually, sharing this with a woman would have been more difficult because mother was a woman. I thought of her as a “man”, really: violent, aggressive..

    “Right.. receiving anything from her was toxic, felt like a violation. Perhaps what would help is to always imagine adult Anita (AA) next to LGA, whenever you think of your inner child? Maybe adult Anita should become LGA’s chaperone and a trusted person, so that no one can get to LGA, unless approved by AA? I wonder if that’s something that would make you feel safer?”-

    Yes!!!

    “Good to hear that! Have you noticed any difference?”- yes, except that walking yesterday on uneven gravel outside and having only sandals and socks on (was warm outside), I twisted my left knee a bit, and some of the pain I told you about returned.. like a flare up. Feels like a micro tear in soft knee tissue.

    “And good job being so conscientious about physical exercise over the years! I’m sure it will help you stay fit and healthy for a long time! (flexed muscle emoji 🙂”- ha-ha, funny Tee!!!

    I have no words to how much I appreciate you, Tee. You are my hero and inspiration 🏆 💪 🧗

    🙏 ❤️ 🫶 ❤️ 🙏 Anita

    #451785
    anita
    Participant

    Tee: “I want to stress one thing: your innocence, purity and goodness are still there, intact, but you need to claim it. You need to start seeing yourself as pure, innocent and good – and treating yourself like that. Purging your mother’s false notions of you, her lies, her intrusions, claiming your mind and your body for yourself… Slowly but surely, since it can’t happen over night. But little by little. The goal would be to purge yourself from her false imprint and be reborn into a new identity. Be your own person, free from her toxic influence. That’s what I see as the goal of your healing and the path forward.”-

    Anita: My own person, free of her toxic messages (feeling angry)

    Trying to not intellectualize.

    (Whatever comes to mind, let my heart speak):

    To remove the massive toxicity she had spread all over and inside of me- so generously, day after day, night after night, decade after decade.

    Try not to rationalize, stay with how it feels, with how it felt all along.

    The tic in my left (and right) shoulder, it’s like my body is trying to exit itself.

    The nightmare of being trapped in a deplorable, condemnable, hated body.

    Needing to be something, someone else, something deserving life.

    She scrubbed me like I was dirty, impure. And her words made it clear: that I am dirty in each and every way.

    And there was no one to tell me any different.

    Society 4 Mother- no matter what. A child is her mother property. She birthed it= it’s hers.

    I remember the first time I came across the book “It”, or “A Child called It”- I knew right away: that’s me, “It”.

    The basic truth of my childhood and onward, her message to me, the way she felt about me- was that I was an It.. and a dirty, hateful It.

    Tee: “claiming your mind and your body for yourself.”- claiming my personhood, me as a human. Ahh!

    A human, that’s a start, a person, one with own thoughts, feelings.. opinions, an inner life.

    An inner life uncle Morris asked me about.. Ahh!

    I have no desire to ever love that mother- monster.

    Those dark, black eyes of hers, the smile on her face detecting my pain.

    Ahh.. Why did I hold on to her for as long as I did???

    Trying to not intellectualize/ rationalize. Go with how it feels:

    As a teenager, I said to myself (not to anyone else because no one was there to listen- uncle Morris would have): she is my private Nazi; living with her is my private holocaust. Half a century later, I say the same.

    Peel the Nazi off of me.

    No more empathy for Nazi, no more.

    Tee: “You need to start seeing yourself as pure, innocent and good”- Starting with seeing me as Human, not a thing to be scrubbed hard, to be clean of dirt, to..

    She.. She.. (Whatever comes to mind):

    She flattened a 3-D person to a 2-D thing. The tics in my body are trying to exit the trap of a two dimension.

    My 3rd dimension is trying to erupt, to exit the constraint of 2-D.

    Before good or bad, there’s this one thing: to become a 3-D human.. No longer a 2-D object to be scrubbed, shamed, beaten, slapped, kicked, invaded, hated, hated, hated, tortured.

    AA: Tell me more, LGA.

    LGA: She.. She’s not for me, she’s not.. for me.

    She’s not my friend.

    She’s been my biggest enemy ever.

    AA: You don’t want to save/ help her anymore, do you..?

    LGA: No. No saving the thing that wanted to destroy me.. for so very, very long.

    AA: “the thing”?

    LGA: The dark, black eyes, the joy of seeing her words land, pain in my face= smile on her face.

    She is not my Ima, never has been. Only a wish, a dream. A fantasy.

    I never had an Ima.

    Will you, AA, be my Ima?

    AA: Yes, I will. I am. I am your Ima. I promise, no more 2-D LGA. Breathe. Let the 3rd dimension be. Feel, think, be.. fully!… Sh… I am here for you, my 3-D, human little girl Anita. I am here for you my 3-D little girl. Breathe. You are safe now. You are safe with me. I am your Ima.

    LGA: I don’t want to ever mention her/ it again.. My Nazi, my Enemy.

    AA: Let us live, 3-D, clean, un-scrubbed, un- cruel-ed, Let the Nazi of our life Go, let that go.

    #451805
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    wow, that was another powerful corrective exercise! It seems LGA is slowly starting to realize that her mother didn’t wish her well, on the contrary, that she was her enemy (She’s not my friend. She’s been my biggest enemy ever.)

    I am touched by the conversation you had with LGA, and that you offered to be LGA’s mother, who will care for her, protect her and respect her, and let her Be.

    Your mother was a seriously troubled woman, who abused you in every possible way. The way she was bathing you – by inserting her fingers into your bodily openings, including your private parts, I believe constitutes sexual abuse. She had no business getting anywhere close to your private parts, let alone inserting her fingers into you! That alone was a crime, for which she should have been taken to court and the child taken away from her.

    I am angry that this was happening, and that there was no one to stop her. I hope this isn’t insensitive to ask, but have you ever spoken to your sister about the way your mother was bathing you? Has she experienced something similar?

    She scrubbed me like I was dirty, impure. And her words made it clear: that I am dirty in each and every way.

    Yes, unfortunately 🙁 To her, you were dirty and bad and needed “cleansing”, whereas she (in her mind) was pure and good. In reality, she had a dirty, distorted mind (and tongue), and yet she saw you as dirty and distorted.

    when I was in my early 20s and did have a date, she waited for me to return at night, angry, and she said: “You are with him because he has (male organ), and I don’t?”

    What do you think of that sentence, Tee? I never quite understood it, but it was one of the many traumatizing moments. I never received anyone’s thoughts about what this sentence- question means.. ownership? ..?

    Yes, I think she wanted to own you completely, so you would be completely under her control. A man in your life would take that dominion away from her. I think she wanted total power and control over you. She saw you as her “property”, and she didn’t want to lose that control over you.

    Yes, drowned in despair but not quite.. my mother rose above her despair in a way, rose above it so to use it as a weapon, hence the shaming, the guilt-tripping, the violence.

    Yes, she found “power” by subduing someone who was weaker and more fragile than her: her children.

    Actually, it could be that she felt so powerless in her life (her inner child feeling like that), that she needed to have one person (or two people: her children) to control, so she would feel better about herself. By dominating and controlling you, she had a sense of power and control in her life. By humiliating you and telling you that you’re worthless, she had a false sense of worth, feeling that she is better than you.

    So by putting you down, she felt a little better about herself (or rather, she hated herself a little less). By subduing you, she felt a little less powerless. At least that’s my theory…

    But in any case, it’s horrendous what kind of “mother” she was. She was your torturer, your private Nazi, as you call her. And it is time that you free yourself from the trauma she inflicted upon you. You deserve to be free, Anita, and I’m happy that you’ve started on your healing journey. ❤️

    I’ll reply to the rest tomorrow. But thank you for your kind words – I am happy I can help, and also that you feel heard and validated. You truly deserve it. You deserve healing, and I hope that slowly but surely, it is happening ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

    #451807
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    Using my phone, so it won’t be long. Yes, healing is happening, and truly, I couldn’t do it without Tee, the Inner Child Chamion and Expert 🧡

    👧 Anita

    #451812
    anita
    Participant

    Dear Tee:

    “Your mother was a seriously troubled woman, who abused you in every possible way”- didn’t break my bones though.

    Yes, she embodied full blown Histrionic, Borderline; Paranoid, Obsessive-Compulsive (the drive to clean/ wash me T.H.O.U.G.H.L.Y) personality disorders- heavy duty, plus full blown Covert Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

    Yes, she was that seriously troubled, sick woman. All through the years I’ve known her.

    I’ve never come across a person as sick as she.

    There’s a term, Adverse Childhood Events.. Mine started before I was born, her eating disorders leading to me born severely underweight, a bridge baby, moving on to her force feeding me as a baby, on an ongoing basis, moving on to baby-me being hospitalized for high fever/ dysentery for months. She said doctors told her I was dying from fever, having placed me in cold/ ice water for the fever to come down.. And that was before I turned 1.

    And then came her troubled marriage, the fights, her running to the street to kill herself (I was 5 or 6), and on and on and on.

    I’ve suffered significant brain damage as a result of all this, very poor to non-existent visual memory, poor processing of auditory input (can’t follow), forgetting what words mean and having to look them up over and over and over again, having very poor- to none- understanding of figurative language.. ADHD.

    And I’ve been in a much better place since I stumbled into these forums than before I did.

    And then came our recent communication, Tee. An accelerated healing.. because of you being here for me.

    I am ready for more, more healing. I am ready, I am willing, all the way. I want to be as healthy as I can be.

    Thank you, Tee.

    Anita

    #451818
    Tee
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    I thought about this point before. Actually, I thought about it as a response to what the mother used to say (again and again.. and again) that, paraphrased, that my suffering is incomparable to hers. Actually, she didn’t acknowledge any suffering on my part. But my point, I countered her words (that I had a very good childhood, that I was so lucky, compared to her childhood) with: when a child is suffering, the child doesn’t have another person’s experience, only the child’s own experience. In other words, another person’s suffering does not alleviates the child’s suffering by comparison.

    That’s true. Older generations used to say to their children “oh what are you complaining about?? I had it much worse than you!” And that’s true, in terms of poverty, disease, lack of medical care, wars, famine etc, i.e. objective external circumstances, which made the life of many people very hard in the past.

    But a child’s suffering can be the result of abuse – deliberate physical and emotional abuse by their parents – which is I think the greatest kind of suffering. To receive abuse from those who are supposed to love you and protect you from harm. And to receive it at such an early age, when our brain and our personality is still forming. That’s an incredibly heartbreaking and traumatizing experience, with life-long consequences.

    Still, what I meant is that Viktor Frankl’s suffering – being a prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp – is a much more horrifying experience than me suffering from knee and spine issues. I am suffering, both physically and emotionally, but still, it’s completely different than his type of suffering. But I can still relate to his notion of finding meaning in life, which can help us transcend suffering, or not focus exclusively on our suffering.

    I think Copilot did a great job explaining Viktor Frankl’s theory, i.e. the reasons why some people transcend suffering and others don’t.

    Meaning as motivation: Frankl believed that the primary human drive is not pleasure or power, but meaning. Those who found meaning—even in suffering—were able to endure unimaginable conditions. (my comment: this is what you do, what you expressed repeatedly!)

    This is interesting to me: I know theories that claim that the primary human drive is pleasure, but I don’t completely agree with it. Because sometimes we are driven by higher motives, e.g. standing up for truth, even if it might get us in trouble. Or helping another person, even if it might put us in danger. So pleasure as the main human drive is a limited view, I believe.

    Unfortunately, some people are indeed driven by power (as we can see among politicians and narcissistic people in general), but again, not the majority.

    My theory is that people who experience a lot of suffering as children are more prone to searching for meaning, because they can’t find joy and fulfillment in everyday life and relationships. I think that when we’re suffering, when we’re deprived in some way, that’s when we’re more prone to ask those deep, existential questions.

    Perhaps it can be said that we as humans seek fulfillment, seek a state of joy, happiness (which involves pleasure too, but is not limited to it), and a sense that our life has a meaning beyond meeting our physical, bodily needs.

    Anyway, meaning as the main human drive does seem more plausible than pleasure or power, so I agree with Frankl 🙂

    “* Spiritual freedom: He emphasized that even in the most brutal circumstances, people retained the freedom to choose their attitude. This inner freedom allowed some to rise above their suffering. (my comment: you didn’t read the book, Tee, but this is what you do, what you practice!)

    Yes, I needed to change my attitude because the alternative would be believing that I am helpless and doomed, which leads to depression. If I chose to think negatively, I would be harming myself even further.

    I think that’s what they call the second arrow of suffering in Buddhism: thinking negatively and making negative conclusions about life (and about one’s own future) based on the suffering that we are already experiencing. Catastrophizing, thinking that I’m doomed because of my knee (and spine) problems, would be the second arrow of suffering.

    Responsibility to others: Many prisoners who survived did so by focusing on loved ones, unfinished work, or a sense of duty. This outward focus often led them to help others despite their own pain. (.. My comment: this is what you’ve done for years in these forums, helping or trying to help others despite your own pain. And you ARE helping me!)

    Thank you, Anita. Well, there were times when I withdrew from the forums when I was in a lot of pain, because I couldn’t focus on much more than my own pain. But this time I stayed, and I am glad I did. It did help me take the focus off of my problems. And I wanted to keep supporting you, so that was a strong motivation too ❤️

    I also like Copilot’s explanation of why some people get stuck in trauma and/or become abusive themselves: loss of meaning, dehumanization, as well as personal choice:

    “* Moral choice: Frankl insisted that suffering does not automatically ennoble a person. It presents a challenge—some rise to it, others succumb. He wrote, ‘Every day, every hour, offered the opportunity to make a decision… to become worthy of one’s suffering or to ignore it’.

    I just don’t quite get what he means by “to become worthy of one’s suffering”. It almost sounds as if suffering is something noble… I don’t think it is, but it can still ennoble a person. It can still make us more empathic towards other people, for example.

    I’ve just looked it up, and it’s apparently a thought that originally came from Dostoevsky, and it basically means that we shouldn’t get stuck in the victim mentality but use our suffering to become better (or stronger, more resilient) people, to learn from it. That’s what Viktor Frankl advocated too… so okay, I get it now and I agree 🙂

    “Key Quote- ‘Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom.’ — Viktor Frankl”

    You didn’t read the book, Tee, but you embody its messages, you are passing them on, amazing!

    Oh yes, that’s one of his most famous quotes. That’s what we’ve been discussing in these past months here on the forums: about pausing and stopping (and centering ourselves in our heart) before responding. And how that contributes to non-violent communication. That’s been a lesson for me too and something I am paying more attention to now.

    Yes, drowned in despair but not quite.. my mother rose above her despair in a way, rose above it so to use it as a weapon, hence the shaming, the guilt-tripping, the violence.

    That’s a very good observation, Anita. Some people get drowned in trauma, in the sense that they become self-destructive, but they don’t seek to destroy others in the process. Some people on the other hand choose to subdue and dominate others, probably as a way to compensate for what they’re missing.

    yes, blind spot. Interestingly perhaps, he was an American whose parents were Moroccan, the same country of origin as my mother’s.

    Oh perhaps that was his blind spot, coming from a similar culture like you? Maybe he couldn’t imagine cutting contact with his own parents, and so he was a little judgmental/uncomfortable with the idea…

    Again, a first, no one has ever said that to me.. When I told my sister about some of this, she dismissed it as.. just the way she is, something like that, as in.. no big deal type thing.

    I guess you were discussing it with your sister only later, as adults? As an adult, she might have rationalized it as not a big deal, but it is a big deal and very harmful for a child.

    Thank you, Tee. And yes, it was excruciating.. but it feels less excruciating now because I told you and you listened and fully validated me. Because of you, I am not alone with this. It’s not just me and her in that repeated scenes of emotional horror. You are there warmly smiling at me, being on my side, helping me. I am not alone there anymore.

    I am glad that you don’t feel alone anymore, that you feel heard and validated, knowing that indeed, what you’ve experienced was abuse, but also that there is a way out ❤️

    actually, sharing this with a woman would have been more difficult because mother was a woman. I thought of her as a “man”, really: violent, aggressive..

    Ah okay, a female therapist at that time would have felt even more threatening…

    yes, except that walking yesterday on uneven gravel outside and having only sandals and socks on (was warm outside), I twisted my left knee a bit, and some of the pain I told you about returned.. like a flare up. Feels like a micro tear in soft knee tissue.

    Oh, sorry about that 🙁 I hope it will clear up quickly and you’ll be pain-free in no time. But I recommend taking it easy in the next few days, not stressing your knee too much, to give it time to heal ❤️

    There’s a term, Adverse Childhood Events.. Mine started before I was born, her eating disorders leading to me born severely underweight, a bridge baby, moving on to her force feeding me as a baby, on an ongoing basis, moving on to baby-me being hospitalized for high fever/ dysentery for months.

    Yes, that’s trauma from day 1, actually even before you were born, because if she didn’t eat properly, or had bulimia, that’s a big trauma for the fetus.

    I’m not sure if I remember well that you once mentioned she had bulimia, but if she had, while being pregnant, it shows how severely disturbed she was, causing this type of stress and contractions to her body while a baby is in her womb. But I guess she wasn’t thinking about you, but about relieving her own emotional pain. And ED, as all other addictions, serve to numb that pain…

    I’ve suffered significant brain damage as a result of all this, very poor to non-existent visual memory, poor processing of auditory input (can’t follow), forgetting what words mean and having to look them up over and over and over again, having very poor- to none- understanding of figurative language.. ADHD.

    I’m sorry to hear that, Anita. But I’ve got to say, judging from your posts here on the forums, I would never say you’ve got any troubles with your cognitive abilities. You’re very focused, very quick to reply to other people’s posts, and your posts are sharp, detailed and on point. Please know that I’m not saying this to invalidate your experience, just to say how you come across to me.

    But I understand you have difficulties which are not visible in written communication, and I’m very sorry about that. :\

    And I’ve been in a much better place since I stumbled into these forums than before I did.

    Yes, you’ve helped a lot of people here, and you’ve shared that participating on the forums has helped you a great deal too.

    And then came our recent communication, Tee. An accelerated healing.. because of you being here for me.

    I am ready for more, more healing. I am ready, I am willing, all the way. I want to be as healthy as I can be.

    I’m happy that our conversation is helping you and bringing you accelerated healing. And that you’re ready for more healing and more wholeness every day. Really happy to hear that! 😊 ❤️

    ❤️ 🫶 ❤️

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