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Yikes! 24 times! Yeah, it’s very clear your argument styles do not match each other either. My ex is the same way you are. He has to walk away for a bit to calm down or his mouth gets him into trouble. I loved him so much, I hated to let him leave at first because I just didn’t want to be away from him with what little time we already got to see each other (he also lived 25 minutes away), but whenever I forced him to stay, he did end up saying mean things that he had to apologize for later because he was just feeling upset and spouting off. So I learned to just let him go and come back to the discussion later. You two have been dating for a year and have fought quite a bit, so she should know by now to just let you go calm down… and a person cannot calm down when someone is calling them nonstop. That just aggravates the situation.
I have to add, too, that ever since I started really taking responsibility for everything that’s happened in my life, it sort of frustrates me when other people don’t. You did not ruin her. She ultimately chose to put herself into the position she is in now. She knew you still had feelings for your ex and she stayed out of the hope or expectation that your feelings would eventually change. It was her own expectations not being met that “ruined” her. As soon as people start taking responsibility for the decisions that lead them into unwanted situations, the sooner they’re able to heal and not put themselves in that situation again. Blaming others gives people an excuse to feel victimized, and self-pity helps no one.
I wish you good luck with this conversation that you have to have. I don’t think there’s any way that she won’t get upset, but after time, you will both likely be better off once out of this situation.
ValoraParticipantI hope that has made it slightly clearer. I should not solely blame him but I do think my father had an impact on my choice in men in some sort of way. I don’t know. Maybe the therapy can help peice these things together.
Yes, this is definitely common for parental relationships to impact future romantic relationship choices. The good news is that if you are attracted to guys who are bad for you, this can be changed by working through your feelings with your therapist. Once dealt with and resolved, it should be much easier for you to then hold out for the kind of love you deserve, someone who treats you well.
Stay strong with your resolve when it comes to not seeing your ex, no matter how much your mind tells you it will make you feel better see or talk to him. Your past experiences have shown you this is is not the case, so remember those. Once you get through this hardest stage of the withdrawal and detaching, it should get easier for you. You deserve better than he can give you. Just keep reminding yourself of that whenever you start feeling weak.
Maybe even write in a journal the thoughts you have that say you should NOT be around him… anything that he’s done that’s made you feel bad or treated you in a way you don’t deserve… then read that journal every time your resolve weakens. It should help to strengthen it up again. Read it whenever he shows up at your work or wants to meet up with you before you respond to him.
Good luck at your job interview! You really do sound like you’re taking some great steps towards feeling better, and I’m sure those will help a lot, too! And we are always here to vent to whenever you need it! 🙂
ValoraParticipantIt’s her own fault there. She shouldn’t of snooped on my phone and read my private thoughts.
EXACTLY. And from what you’ve said on here, your feelings for your ex weren’t really a secret to your girlfriend to begin with, right? She knew you still loved her and yet chose to stay with you, knowing she was 2nd in your heart. That was her own choice. If it were me, I would’ve left the minute I found out I was second place, and if she had done that, that alone would’ve prevented her from feeling the way she does now.
She had to switch SCHOOL DISTRICTS to move in with you? If you are feeling guilty because you feel like this was all somehow your responsibility, I would try to reframe things in your mind. This wasn’t just you. She is a mom, and she really should not have done that in the first place, especially so soon in your relationship. This definitely isn’t your fault, because she could have just as easily NOT moved in. That was her choice, too. And it’s not like you two were married or even engaged. It seems like you are taking a lot of the blame onto yourself, when this really seems pretty 50/50. It’s both of you.
I know this isn’t going to be a fun thing for you to do and that you feel bad about it, but, hopefully, this will all end up being a good thing that frees her up to find someone who is truly a match for her. And the same for you.
I would talk to your kids before you have them stay with their mom all that time to see what THEY would rather do. It might feel to them like you’re trying to push them away during this time, even though that’s not your intention and you’re just trying to make things easier on them. They might rather want to deal with it just so they can spend time with you, so I’d definitely check with them first to see how they feel. And, if anything, you should see if your girlfriend can just go live with her mom for a while.
ValoraParticipantOkay, let me ask you this…. what do you think it is that is making her depressed and upset? Is it the situation you two are in or something else?
Also, her jealousy is very clearly out of control at this point. Do you think it’s likely to get worse the more you continue the relationship or do you think talking to her would make her stop being so accusatory or suspicious? Because it definitely doesn’t seem to be getting any better yet. There is no reason she should have been calling you like that when she knew you were working (and it’s VERY common for those in fields like electricians and plummers, etc., to be called out on emergencies. Nobody wants their house to burn down or flood!), especially to the point where you felt like you needed to race home in a snowstorm. So no matter what you decide to do, that behavior has to change. It’s not at all healthy for either of you.
To me, this relationship as it is seems like it’s very toxic for both of you. If her depression is stemming from her feelings about the current situation, then wouldn’t it make sense that changing that situation would actually help her in the long run, after she gets over the initial pain?
ValoraParticipantWhat you are planning on saying to her sounds good. I do think you should acknowledge her role in this to yourself a little more though. You two not working out in a romantic relationship isn’t all on you. She could’ve been handling her responsibilities this whole time, especially with your added help, but it sounds like she resorts to drinking and basically a “poor me” attitude rather than fixing the problems a lot of the time, and that part is on her. You feeling guilty isn’t going to help either of you, really, and she needs to own up to her own issues and start fixing them, because that’s the only way her life is going to improve, with or without you. You might even be enabling them in a way by putting up with them (and stopping at the liquor store when she wanted a drink), so it might hopefully do her some good for you to separate. Sometimes that’s what it takes to whip a person into shape. I know it worked with me. haha. I’m better off now than I’ve ever been, even though I miss my ex very much. I’ve still improved my life in every other way, and the devastation from the breakup is what started that change.
So maybe try to reframe it in your mind a little bit and it’ll feel a little less hard for you. Sometimes it takes hurting someone to help them. I think it’s good that you still want to help her get back on her feet as much as you can, though.
ValoraParticipantHi B,
You’re welcome! If I may ask… how did he get in contact with you again after you’d changed your number and moved?
I can understand where you’re coming from and why you feel that element is missing. It’s hard when you don’t feel close to apparent and especially when you feel that parent is abusive. That’s definitely something to work through with your therapist, too, especially if you’re still feeling resentment toward your father.
I think another thing you can also do that might help is read blogs and articles and watch videos on how to find that love within yourself. I know the idea of finding the love that you feel you need from another within yourself might seem weird, but it’s possible, and once you’re able to give yourself all of the love you need, you won’t be searching for it elsewhere, and it will likely give you the desire to actually back away from that unhealthy relationship because he will no longer offer you any benefit.
Maybe check out some of Kyle Cease’s videos. I went through a pretty devastating breakup a little over a year ago and figured out that I had quite a few fears and insecurities left over from rocky relationships in my past, and Kyle’s advice sort of helped me let go of that old story I kept telling myself and find what I needed within.
Another thing to do would be to accept that this man cannot give you the love that you desire, so attaching yourself to him (which is what you’re feeling now… an attachment) will not help you at all. I think it would help to read some articles and blogs on how to detach until you find something that really speaks to you. I also had to do this with my ex… I just Googled “how to detach from someone” and started reading until I figured out what might work for me and started trying different things.
Overall, though, be gentle with yourself. It’s an ongoing and sometimes slow process, so give yourself time and keep working on letting go of him.
ValoraParticipantThe easiest way to combat a narcissist and to take your life back is to do what you can to strengthen yourself emotionally. Do not expect his behavior to ever change. Set clear boundaries and stick to them. Learn to be assertive without being aggressive. Stand firm. Accept and love yourself, flaws and all. Build your self-confidence to the point where no one can tear it down. And most of all, separate yourself from this person as much as you can and do not let yourself give in. As you build more confidence and when the fact that you do not deserve how he’s been treating you sinks in deeper, it should be easier to let go.
Another thing that might help is figuring out what he gave you emotionally that made you feel good enough to want to tolerate his behavior and then try to find that goodness in yourself so that you won’t feel like you need him anymore.
It’s great that you’re going to therapy because your therapist can help you do all of this, so it’s a great idea to keep going regularly. It’s just going to take some time, but treat it the same way anyone would treat any other addiction.
ValoraParticipantHe was acting very much into me from the beginning and I felt some of my bondaries were crossed. Also I don’t like that he wants to take a lead in our relationship as I feel pressure from his side. I am afraid that these are signs that he will be possessive and controlling further in the relationship. I don’t know if I should discuss my point of view with him or it’s he way he is and I should let him go. I know his father is controlling.
As far as I can tell, you have two options here:
1. If you really like him and it’s worth it to you, you could discuss your feelings with him. If he does not react well or does not understand how and why you feel this way, let him go. It’s possible he doesn’t realize that this is controlling behavior and isn’t okay but would be willing to make a change. I do find it odd that he feels the need to know where you are all the time, especially so early in the relationship, so I’d say that’s a red flag. It could be controlling or it could be him satisfying his own curiosity.
2. If your feelings are iffy on him and you’re not sure whether you like him or not, I would just let this one go. I agree with what Inky said in this case.
ValoraParticipantYour girlfriend sounds like she really should get some counseling. She is clearly self-medicating with alcohol when she’s upset rather than handling the issue itself so that it doesn’t keep happening. That’d be the only way she’d get her stuff together… to directly handle all of the issues.
So, yeah, I still think you’re in the right for wanting to end things. She has played a very large role in your feelings by reacting to things the way she does, and it doesn’t sound like there are any signs of that changing.
What you’re planning on saying to her sounds good and honest. If she starts trying to say she’ll change and be better (like most people do when they’re being broken up with), I would stress that you just don’t feel that you’re a match for each other and that’s not something that can be changed. Be strong with it and give her closure so she does not hope for reconciliation in the future… even if reconciliation could be possible if she somehow got her stuff together and her kids and her both started acting better, that’s not what’s happening right now and it’s going to take a lot of time, effort and probably some counseling on her part to change things. She also doesn’t give you that “home” feeling you need. So you don’t want to leave that door open for her because it’s not true of your situations right now, and closure helps people to heal more quickly. I feel that saying you’re not a match and that you don’t think you’re good for each other will help the decision feel concrete to her.
February 25, 2019 at 9:23 am in reply to: very confused-new girlfriend, ex-girlfrend. Help me please #281665ValoraParticipantWell, if anyone gets how you feel, it’s me. I’ve been thinking about my ex a lot lately too, and I wish we were able to talk more. I feel like there’s so much I want to tell him (mostly just random non-relationship stuff. He was my best friend). I would love to send him a message, but I also know that doing that would throw me backwards and make me miss him more and start reading into everything he does and says, and I still think he needs to come to me if he’s ever serious about wanting to be in my life again…. and I think the same goes for you, too.
I totally get how frustrating this all feels and that it would be so much easier if you could just let go and get over her completely, and I also get the feeling of just having this sense that there’s more to the story… that you will be together again. And I think it’s okay to feel those things. I also don’t think it’s something people can understand unless they go through it themselves. It’s just a different type of love, very intense but also comforting and somehow intuitive, so it’s a hard thing to get over because, once you’ve felt it, it’s hard to feel happy with any other type of love relationship.
The key here is to be gentle with yourself. I’m expecting to have these thoughts and feelings right up until I either somehow end up back together with my ex or meet someone else who gives me the feelings that he did. The same probably goes for you, there, too. You can’t help how you’re feeling. It’s just how you feel. So instead of fighting it, just embrace the fact that you are still capable of loving someone even after they hurt you and that she gave you something you needed, and you’ll probably feel this way until you meet someone else who gives you that feeling you need. Sometimes acceptance of those things helps with some of the suffering because you’re not fighting yourself so much. You should still do your best to curb the thoughts and redirect your focus, but try not to get so frustrated with yourself when you do think about her. If you keep having a hard time curbing the thoughts of her and keep feeling frustrated, though, it might be time to see a therapist for help with that. Even just for someone to talk to. Just probably go to a different one this time if you felt like the last one you saw didn’t help.
I watched part of a movie this weekend on Hulu about a guy who gets invited to an ex-girlfriend’s wedding. He goes to it, but he’s still very much in love with her and spends the whole movie daydreaming and being sad and awkward, and it would be awful to be that guy. So although you should accept your thoughts and feelings about her for what they are, it’s also a good idea to keep working towards seeing the situation for what it is at the current time and working on putting it in the past.
ValoraParticipantDo you know much about this man’s history or what could maybe have lead him to thinking the man had a bomb? Sometimes thinking that seems irrational to others can have somewhat of a rational cause for the person doing the thinking. He might have went through something that developed a fear or may have been convinced to fear it by someone else’s persuasion.
I can identify with this man as I also don’t like change and I used to like to have control of things in my immediate surroundings because I highly valued comfort. I also have a mother who is very paranoid about the happenings of the world and very, very overprotective. At one point, she made me afraid to walk two houses down to my sister’s house at 7:00 at night because it was dark and something might happen to me. I later realized that, yes, this was irrational thinking and that the chances of something happening to me walking a short distance in my very small town were slim, but at the time, her fears also made me afraid. I’m telling you this because I do not consider my thoughts on that a mental illness. My mom had just convinced me that her fears were more probable than they actually were. The same could be true for the man you’re seeing. Something had convinced him that his fear was probable.
In my opinion, mental illness is not something to fear, especially in this possible instance. I think it’s safe to say almost everyone has irrational thoughts from time to time, just for different things. I would think it a good thing that he felt comfortable enough to share one of his with you, even though he later may have realized that it probably wasn’t true. If that’s he seems paranoid about things regularly, then it would likely benefit him to see a counselor (and that would be beneficial for his control issues and social awkwardness, too).
Now… if he showed signs of a more serious disorder that could be potentially harmful (like if you found signs he was MAKING a bomb, for instance), then that would be cause to not pursue the relationship.
ValoraParticipantWow! I think it really says something, too, that your daughter noticed that you’re more yourself when it’s just you and her and away from the house. Living in that situation is not helping you in any way, no matter how much easier it would be on your girlfriend if you could live together. Your home should be the place where you feel the MOST comfortable.
I also think it’s great that your daughter felt comfortable enough to come talk to you about how she was feeling and that you listened well, took her seriously, and gained insight from what she said. That’s a really good thing. It was BAD on your girlfriend’s part to try to say she is overexaggerating and just wants attention. I am so glad you didn’t agree. It’s hard for kids to talk to their parents about issues like that because they don’t want to hurt or disappoint their parent, so it is so good that you reacted to her the way you did and then took active steps to help improve the situation and that will really show your daughter how much you care.
I think that once you get out of this situation, if you take the time to focus on your relationship with your kids, really focusing on the love and attention you give to them and get from them, as well as fix any issues you feel like you want to improve about yourself, it will work wonders on how you’re feeling… and as a bonus, that kind of love and attention from a parent will really help to set them up to have good relationships in the future with other people.
I also don’t think you need to kick your girlfriend out the minute you say something, but she needs to know how you’re feeling so it will hopefully kick her into gear on finding a place to live and she won’t be expecting to just keep on living with you. And she may not like being at her mother’s, but if her mother has got extra rooms, that means your girlfriend DOES have a place to go, and being at a place that she doesn’t want to be living will likely spur her to work harder to get out of there.
I know you’re feeling very guilty, but remember that your girlfriend has also been playing a big role in why this relationship isn’t working out.
Your situation oddly gives me insight into my own, as well. I think clarity helps, too, when it comes to feeling better and letting go because it helps you to understand what really happened and that maybe it really was necessary at the time. I just know that if you want a true love to come into your life, you have to deal with your issues first and then make room for it. Without the space, it won’t come. Dating the wrong person takes up that space.
ValoraParticipantI can understand how it’d be hard to pull the trigger on divorce after 25 years. If you don’t divorce, though, what are your other options? You seem very ready to end the relationship. Is there a chance you and your husband could work on reestablishing your connection?
ValoraParticipantHi Elizabeth,
I think, most of all, it’s important to be patient with yourself and the time it takes to feel better. I say give yourself at least a solid year to work through everything, possibly longer given the duration of time you two were together, but it may take even less than that. There’s no way to know, so just try not to get too upset with yourself for not being where you want to be emotionally yet. This stuff takes time, and it’s okay that you aren’t feeling 100% yet. You’ve been through a big ordeal.
It’s definitely good that your job is forcing you to be social though. Getting out and talking people has been proven to improve mood so I’m sure it’s doing you some good, even when you’d rather not interact with anyone. When I was first trying to get through my heartbreak, I’d often get out to see local bands play as much as possible because listening to live music makes me feel really good. Sometimes that would be the ONLY time I’d feel good. So if you notice that any certain activity makes you feel happy, try to do more of that, even when you don’t feel like it. And attention-wise, when you’re not ready to date yet (which is totally understandable in my opinion), just going out on the town, flirting, feeling that attention, and then going home and getting a good night’s rest works wonders. Also, fill a desire for attention in other ways, like by meeting new friends and deepening relationships with like-minded people (that you can meet if you find any hobbies you enjoy that meet in groups). I know that might not be something you feel like doing right now, and that’s okay, but it’s an idea.
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ValoraParticipantHave you thought about looking for jobs that allow you to work remotely (from home)? There are quite a few options out there, so that might be a way for you to get a different job while still living in the same area.
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