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Hi Freddie,
good to hear from you again, although I am sorry you’re still suffering š
It seems to me there is an internal conflict in you: on one hand you’re aware that there were issues with your ex, due to which you were very anxious to proceed to marry her, even though you had a great compatibility in many areas and enjoyed each other and the relationship.
The main issue you had with her was her unwillingness to open up about her (almost non-existing) relationship with her daughter. It was a legitimate concern, and your rational part was ringing an alarm bell, because you doubted that she could be a good and caring mother to your future child if she treats her daughter like that. You still have that same concern, and I want to reiterate that it’s a valid concern.
There is also another part of you, who feels guilty for “abandoning” her, even though you haven’t actually abandoned her, but rather you stopped abandoning yourself. You stopped brushing aside your need for honest answers and clarity in this super important issue.
One of the reasons you’re now blaming yourself is your supposed lacked of openness about what’s bothering you:
Through the off and on obviously I kept pushing my ex away and wasnāt really explaining my reasons for doing so all too clear but she knew I loved her and missed her.
However, I got the impression that you actually did explain what was bothering you. This is what you said on your previous thread:
About 6 months later I started feeling like there were issues in the relationship that needed addressing, mainly to do with money and having children. We talked stuff out and said we would work on things but a few days later we argued about things and I left.
It seems to me she knew what were your biggest pain points, but refused to address them. You said she would accuse you of being insensitive when you brought up the topic of her daughter. She even tried to blame you for her lack of contact with her daughter – even thought it was you who tried to initiate contact on a few occasions, and she was the one who let things fizzle out.
So unfortunately you’re blaming yourself for something you’re absolutely not guilty of. That’s the second part of your personality: the self-blaming part. One is the rational part, which sees the truth. And the other is the irrational, who believes he is guilty for driving her away.
And it seems the guilty party is winning at the moment…
Because you can’t let her go, even though she wasn’t going to change her stance and open up about her daughter. When you got together in May and she told you she couldn’t love anyone else – did she actually open up about her daughter? Did she show any signs of change, or she kept brushing away the issue?
Being my own worst enemy I told her I still had to deal with my anxiety which again pushed her away.
You told her you need to deal with your anxiety, because indeed, you still can’t (rightfully) accept to marry her without those important issues being addressed. Your anxiety is caused not by your irrationality or weakness, but actually it is a legitimate fear for your future. It is caused by her unwillingness to address the issues that are important to you.
Can you see that? Your anxiety in this case is a self-protective reaction. It’s not something you should get rid of and suppress, but something you should listen to. It’s a signal.
And no wonder it pushed her away, because it told her that you still can’t drop the issue. That you still can’t just bury your head in the sand and pretend like it’s not there. So she knows she is back to square 1 with you – cannot hope you would just drop it.
And that’s why I think it was so easy for her to let you go, finally. Maybe she met someone who is willing to keep a blind eye, or isn’t interested in having children and doesn’t make an issue out of it. Someone who won’t demand her to open that black box she is keeping so tightly closed…
maybe I need give her some time, I donāt know
Dear Freddie, I wish you wouldn’t pine for her anymore, since she isn’t going to change. And I guess you wouldn’t want to end up with someone who is keeping such important secrets from you and whom you can’t trust to be a good, loving mother to your child? Can you see how it is actually self-destructive for you to chase her and want to get together? How it is absolutely not in your best interest?
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
Well, more people were there including a relative of his and a girl. He was wearing a sombrero and the pictures of them had hearts and the caption my european family.
That’s all nice and innocent. But as you say, you’re not included in his life, even in big events like his birthday. And he doesn’t seem to miss you much either (No I wish you were here or anything.)
Ā I mean we agreed to take the romance off of the table since we were in different countries
Hmmm, I was in a LDR for 5 years before finally moving to my husband’s country and settling there. We were visiting each other once a month approximately. I think you could do the same, if there were willingness. But it seems he doesn’t want to create space for those visits, since he is working non-stop or studying. So basically his life is full already and he doesn’t have time for you.
He talked about me coming to Portugal several times but didnāt make any plans, I feel played for a fool.
Yeah, it’s all in theory, but in practice, he isn’t making an effort to see you. And I am sure he could have gotten at least one free day, if he really wanted to. Because if they are “honoring” him by throwing him a birthday party, they would have probably honored him by giving him a free day, so his girlfriend could visit. So yeah, he isn’t making an effort, he is doing his own thing, and you seem to be at the periphery.
May I ask something though: whose idea was to take romance off the table? Because I must say I am confused by that. Because if you take romance off of the table, that basically means that you agreed to not have a relationship, but to be friends only, right? And if so, then his behavior isn’t very surprising. However, it is surprising if you were in a gf-bf type of relationship…
I donāt want to be in this position anymore and gonna stop contacting him. Iāll focus on myself and going out exploring this amazing city, thereās heaps of events and things to do this summer. Iām thinking about going to Amsterdam for a couple of days (Iāve always wanted to go) and I can get two nights there for free. Y is having a birthday party on Friday and Iām invited, that will be fun and I heard that we will be having a staff party on a boat in two weeks, thatās sounds fun!
It’s great that you decided to focus on yourself and not sit at home, pitying yourself. He doesn’t seem to miss you unfortunately, and there isn’t enough willingness to make the relationship work. So you’re right, there’s no point in pushing something that he’s not too eager about.
I am glad you don’t seem too devastated about it and are looking forward to having some fun time with your friends, and traveling to Amsterdam. That’s a very healthy attitude!
TeeParticipantHi Beni,
yes, I had a difficult upbringing, with an emotionally cold, strict and very criticizing mother. And it left many scars on me, which lasted for many years. But with the help of therapy and increasing self-awareness, I’ve managed to heal gradually, basically to heal my inner child. I swear by this method of healing, because it helped me the most, after some other modalities didn’t help.
The way I do it makes it more difficult for some people to say no and in the long therm creates tension. Itās difficult to say no to me
There is this hole which cryās out: āIām soo poorā. I started addressing it in other people. I started rubbing their heads and saying āooh, you so poorā. Thatās propably why itās harder to say no to someone like that. When someone has that look.
Oh I see… so you’re kind of pitying yourself, telling yourself and other people “I am so poor”. Or “poor me, nobody loves me”. And then people might feel guilty if they reject you, right? And they start resenting you and the tension starts building. Is that what’s happening?
If so, that’s your inner child crying and whining, because he really feels unloved. He really didn’t receive the proper love and nurturance from his mother (or father), and he is lacking. He is still trying to receive it, only not from your mother or father, but from the people around you. So you feeling pity for yourself is actually your inner child feeling pity for himself, because he indeed didn’t have his basic emotional needs met.
The way to heal is to heal your inner child, to give him the love and care he craves. To be a good parent to him. That’s how you’ll stop pitying yourself and “manipulating” people to give you love. Because you’ll have it in you, your heart will be full and nourished.
Wow, Tee. Itās amazing how you put things together and your sence of timing. Itās so nourishing to read these lines. I read this and then I had to sleep for 2h and now Iām finishing the reply.
I am so glad that the idea of the inner child resonated with you. And that hearing those words felt calming and nourishing to you.
I belief this is the struggle.. Iāve given up on telling little Beni what to do because he does not listen. Not doing seems to be harder than doing. Itās good to know for both of us that there is a way to be in harmony together.
Yes, there is a way to be in harmony with your inner child. You would need to first acknowledge and validate his needs. Tell him that he is lovable and precious and special. And that you’ll be there for him.
I don’t know how it would feel if you would simply give yourself a hug (at the same time giving your inner child a hug)? Does it feel soothing or it perhaps brings up more sadness?
Perhaps experiment with that a little bit and see if you can give yourself some self-soothing. If not, it’s not a big deal, there are therapists for that. They provide a safe environment and the unconditional positive regard, so that we can start feeling seen and accepted and appreciated. They give us the first “boost” of acceptance and validation, and from then on, we learn to love ourselves (and our inner child) more and more.
It must have been very painful to get rejected this way. Weāre so vulnerable as childs. Did you learn to overcome this?
Yes, we are very vulnerable. We depend on our parents to meet all our needs. And if they don’t know how to do it, we get wounded and carry those scars into our adulthood. But luckily, there is help. And yes, I’ve managed to heal those wounds over time, and as I said, healing the inner child is what helped me most.
I belief for me it was the other way around. Iād reject my mothers kisses and hugs. I think my dad wasnāt very available for her.
Oh I see. So she maybe used you to meet her emotional needs, because her husband was emotionally unavailable? (Perhaps she complained to you about your father or other problems in her life?) That can put a big stress on the child, because the roles are reversed, and instead of meeting our emotional needs, the parent expects us to meet their emotional needs, which we as a child are totally unable to.
TeeParticipantHi Adam,
how are things? How have you been?
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
because they donāt want anything new
so they don’t want any new development then? Perhaps they believe they’ve got a hit product and they don’t need anything new for at least a year or so?
I mean yeah financal pressure is a real deal and Iām feeling it, but my other persona is rebeling against it like no just get what you want donāt compromise youāre gonna get what you want.
I get you. You want to live your dream, which is being a sort of a digital nomad, right? Because you said you want to explore the world (I already feel like Iām getting old, and I havenāt seen this beautiful world enough). I only wouldn’t agree that you’re getting old, but if you have a clear goal in mind (to work remotely and travel as you please), then by all means, go for it.
If you’re short on money, you can still send applications to some of those less appealing places, and once you get the job at a place you like better, you can simply switch. How do you feel about that?
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
oh no, that’s such a bad luck! Maybe he didn’t answer about the new surgery appointment, simply because it’s still not sure when the doctor will recover. But I get your frustration. It’s just a lot, and the fact that he’s not with you on his birthday but out partying with his boss is particularly annoying. Okay, I also think the context is important, e.g. if they were alone partying or there were other coworkers present. Perhaps they wanted to throw him a birthday party, and that’s all it is.
But still, I get you. He is not that far away from you, and yet, he seems so far and unreachable, because of all these obstacles and circumstances in his life. I don’t know if he’s shown any commitment to you, and some concrete plans for the future, or he’s just going along, dealing with his stuff and trying to solve the issues that life throws at him, but not really having you as a priority in any sense? Having organized a meeting for his birthday would have been one such sign of commitment, and it didn’t happen.
So to be honest, I don’t like it either. I know he has a lot on his plate, but it does seem like he lacks commitment. Does he talk about your future together at all (including meeting you), or he avoids the topic and only talks about his problems?
TeeParticipantOh and Beni,
thank you for sending me prayers and good wishes yesterday. I do appreciate it!
TeeParticipantHi Beni,
I am back. It seems to have been a false alarm and I don’t have appendicitis. So they sent me home. I am relieved!
I am so glad that my words touched you and resonated with you.
Iām glad I mentioned it. I do it that way because itās scary and in the moment Iām overwhelmed. Iād like to express my needs in a gentle, assertively way so they can be received easy.
Right, you’re afraid to appear too demanding. Perhaps you believe that expressing needs is selfish – that you are selfish if you do that?
Yes, it makes it more difficult to love. When I do, I can have thought patterns which tell me: āYou do it to be likedā, āyour manipulating people to like youā.
Actually this seems that you do believe that expressing needs is selfish. You are reprimanding yourself for having needs. You believe that even your purest, selfless love could be interpreted as manipulation and dishonest.
Yes, the word martyr fits in well.Ā … I belief she couldnāt give me space, maybe I was part of meeting her needs. Like when you ask āhow are youā but actually you create space to tell how you feel.
I see. Yes, a martyr mother doesn’t really meet our emotional needs. Perhaps she meets our physical needs (she cooks for us, works hard so we can have nice things, etc), but she does that not with sincere love, but with “oh poor me, I am sacrificing so much for you, and you’re so ungrateful” type of attitude. She makes us feel guilty for being a child and having needs. She makes herself a martyr and we’re almost the “villain” for wanting anything from her. Perhaps you experienced something like that?
Ā I belief she couldnāt give me space, maybe I was part of meeting her needs. Like when you ask āhow are youā but actually you create space to tell how you feel.
Right, she isn’t really interested in knowing how you are, but actually wants to talk about herself, and how hard her life is, right? She doesn’t have interest and cannot truly meet your emotional needs, because she is so needy herself.
I can see how with such a mother, you felt that your needs are selfish. That everything you did to connect emotionally – even expressing the purest, the most selfless love – would be deemed selfish.
When I was a child, my own mother would often reject my kisses and hugs (i.e. my sincere expression of love and affection), telling me that it’s stupidity, that it’s unnecessary, that such displays of affection are dishonest, or that it will spoil the child etc.
I am mentioning this, because my mother conditioned me to believe that needing physical affection is stupid and weakness. That my legitimate needs as a child were somehow “illegitimate”.
Perhaps your mother too conditioned you to believe that your basic emotional needs were illegitimate, and that needing love was selfish and manipulative?
You know, I donāt really remember what I did and what she did I canāt find much in my memory. I see her now and in sometimes I see myself. She also struggles with connection, I donāt think she has a best friend besides my dad.
Iām not sure if I tried to help her. Iām more prone to the freeze or self destructive behavior.I see. You were more prone to dissociation then. It’s a defense mechanism. It happens because when we are a child, it’s too painful to stay present with such an emotionally (or even physically) unresponsive mother. The pain of feeling unloved is too much. And so we freeze and dissociate. That’s how we escape that immense pain of not being soothed, of no one coming to our rescue when we are in distress.
It could very easily be that your freeze and dissociation today is actually the same defense mechanism that you used as a child to escape the emotional deprivation you felt around your mother, and in your household in general (because you said your father was involved with his business, and the only emotionally available person was your grandmother.)
It’s hard to grow up like that, Beni. I totally feel your pain and your terror, actually, of not having anyone to emotionally regulate you, to be there for you in distress. But what’s amazing is that you are very aware of your needs: you know that what you need when you freeze is that someone put a hand on your shoulder and tell you “it’s going to be okay”.
That’s such a great observation, Beni. And so true. Because in fact, it’s your inner child who needs soothing and reassurance that everything’s going to be fine.
Over time, as you heal and develop emotional strength, you the adult Beni will be able to soothe the little Beni. You’ll be able to soothe yourself by putting one hand on your shoulder, and telling yourself “don’t worry, it’s going to be fine”. Right now, you still might need others to tell you this, and it’s completely okay. But with time, you’ll be able to tell it to yourself.
I had a massage workshop last year and we would be shown a sequence and then my memory would not work when Iād have to repeat. It was a very secure and loving environment.
The good bad thing is in my new job is that Iām seen. I canāt hide well, they know when Iām in zombie mode.
It’s wonderful you go to events where people are secure and loving. And also that you work at a safe, supportive place. If indeed you work in a more of a New Age field (e.g. massage therapy), there is a greater chance that your coworkers would be supportive and understand your needs. That they wouldn’t look at you strangely if you tell them you need a hug or a pat on the back when you’re in distress. So you can indeed ask them to be that safe person for you, while you are working on your healing.
I think Iām afaid to loose the job and the people in the job. I lost my last job and it felt like a breakup.
I can imagine you don’t want to lose this job, since the people are so supportive and they meet some of your emotional needs. Perhaps it will help you to see the situation with this new perspective: that it is your inner child who is probably freezing when you feel in distress, and that the goal is to heal enough so you can be a good, loving parent to your inner child.
If you see things this way, you won’t feel so dependent on your coworkers to meet your needs (although it’s great that they are loving and supportive), and you’ll begin to rely more on yourself. So perhaps you’ll be able to feel more relaxed at your job and not so afraid to “mess up” and lose the people around you.
Does this make sense?
TeeParticipantHi Beni, I can’t answer at the moment because I am at the ER, with a possible appendix inflammation. It might be a few days before I return to the computer.
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
So basically, its like the full course meal is ready for them and they going to feed themselves on for few months.
it seems very short-sighted :/ So basically they fired the whole developer team because now the product is out on the market and they don’t need you any more?
Well you know I already feel missing out on things and less freedom because I had to go to the office sometimes and wasnāt able to change the cities. Now I donāt want to stuck in the same loop and feel the same way.
I thought in case you need money, perhaps you can relax your requirements. But of course, if it’s not such an urgent problem, you don’t need to go back to the system you don’t like…
TeeParticipantHi Beni,
you are very welcome, I am happy to be a part of your process.
I feel alot when I answer you.
I hope my remarks didn’t cause you too much distress? I hope some things resonated, but not to the point of being overwhelming?
yes, and when I do it I often do it like a child. I say, I want this, I want that.
You know, you actually have the right to express your needs clearly, without beating around the bush too much. I mean, you can say “I would like this” instead of “I want this”. And you can learn to say it in a calm but decisive manner (i.e. assertively). So you can learn to modify your request to sound more polite and mature, however, you have the right to express your needs. You’re not bad or faulty for having needs, or for expressing them.
Yes, I just want to be accepted. Iām when I think of it even afraid of that when I give selfless/love that it might be received that way.
Let me just check if I got it well: so you are afraid that even your selfless love would be rejected?
I think my mom does have a similar pattern. I still do not trust her (do not open up) and make shure to keep her on distance. When thereās I problem I call my dad.
Okay, so you’re saying that your mother is also very much stuck in the care-taker role and doesn’t want to ask anything for herself, right? But you don’t trust her, you want to keep her on a distance.
When I put these 2 pieces of information together, one possibility occurs to me: that perhaps your mother was in a martyr role, where she served everybody, but was resentful about it, and yet she kept doing it? You wanted her to be happy, not to suffer, but no matter what you did and how much you helped her, it was never good enough?
I am asking because my mother was like that. I could never help her, could never ease her “suffering”, although I tried and tried. And I too am in a better relationship with my father today.
Iām actually working on finding a therapis/mentor. I was thinking of it for one year and finally it started changing.
Good, I am glad you’re starting to consider it. Because it’s hard to pull ourselves by our own bootstraps. We do need external help. Another reason why I think it would be beneficial for you to work with someone is that you should learn to accept that you are worthy of help, and that you don’t need to do everything on your own.
Yes itās kinda risky doing it at work. It might work dough as the guyās seem to take me as I am.
That’s precious if you have such accepting colleagues. Working in such a positive, non-judgmental environment can also have a healing effect. So perhaps you can open up a little about your insecurities. Is there a specific situation in which you feel insecure, and then you freeze and don’t know what to do?
TeeParticipantHi SereneWolf,
oh I am so sorry š This is a huge cut back in work force. Do you know what caused it?
Please don’t lose hope, since you are very capable and talented. This is just a temporary setback. You’ll find something else for sure, as you possess managerial skills as well. I know it’s very hard at the moment, but try to stay positive. Remember, you are resilient and have been through tougher situations before.
I hope you’ll hear from the companies you sent your resume to soon. Perhaps you can send some more applications, even for jobs that aren’t remote only – to increase your chances?
TeeParticipantDear Katrine,
I too hope his dad will be fine. Two years is quite a lot. It will be hard to keep the tempo that he’s been in for quite some time: working non-stop and in addition studying. He’ll give himself burnout. Plus, he is worrying about his father, which is understandable.
I hope he’ll be able to either find a more peaceful job (even if less paid) till his graduation. Or that his current job will allow him some more free time, once the peak season is over.
TeeParticipantHi Beni,
It seems to me you’re used to the role of care-taker, taking care of other people’s needs, but you have trouble expressing your own needs, and specially asking for help when you need it:
I naturaly take care of everyone around me. Boundaries and my business, not my business are things I reflect upon a lot. I have to be very careful to only give with harmony to myself.
It seems you like to give and give, and it’s sometimes too much and you lose your own harmony?
You say you want connection with people, but you believe you need to first deserve it:
I want connection, I need to do something for it to deserve it. Like, I have a Garden where I can invite people too.
So you believe you need to have a nice garden, i.e. first give something to people, in order to deserve that they visit you, right?
Actually I just want to invite people. I deep down I know that. Itās like my core motivation is crooked. Actually I just want to be connected. This should go first.
I create an event where I can ask somebody for help and that does not feel right. I donāt want to ask for help if itās not honest.
I see ā you feel dishonest if you first give something (e.g. organize a garden party) in order to receive. You would like to receive love and attention, without having to do something for people first, right? You would like to receive without “bribing” them, so to speak?
Could it be that you had a similar dynamic in your childhood, where you were a care-taker for your parent(s) and siblings? And you’ve learned to believe that you are only worthy if you first give to others?
especially the āat times like thisā triggers me. I think itās difficult because if I get rejected it can break my heart.
Maybe you believe that you’re not worthy if you are sick and needy. You might fear that if you show your neediness (i.e. express your needs), you’ll be rejected.
Once Iām frozen itās difficult to ask for help. I think when I freeze itās already late. I donāt know how to deal with the frozen state. I might need somebody who touches my shoulder and tells me everything is alright. Youāre save.
I want to talk to the guyās at work and I want to let them know that when Iām lost. Iām actually scared. And that Iām not shure what I need. And Iād like to try that that they touch my shoulder and tell me everything is alright.
It’s good that youāve realized that you need someone to reassure you that you’re safe and that everything will be fine. I believe it would be best if you could work with a therapist to provide that safe haven for you, where you can freely express your feelings and even your neediness, without needing to impress anyone.
I would rather work with a safe person, like a therapist, than with your work colleagues, because they might not understand what you need. I would only express that level of vulnerability if those colleagues are super safe and would be able to provide that non-judgmental, loving support.
Or if you have a good friend (you say you donāt have a close friend, but there are a few people in your circle with whom you could get closer). So I suggest to open up only to safe people, rather than to someone who might not be able to offer that level of understanding and support.
I’ll be happy to talk to you and further unpack this, if you find it helpful.
TeeParticipantDear Jenny,
He has disrespected and violated me on numerous levels, these are only a few of the things he has done, or the major ones at least
he has no self love or virtue and lies so much and hides things.
After forgiving him over and over I am so confused now. I am a mother of two and I want what is best for my daughters
In my mind, the situation is clear: he is bad news, a drug addict, potential cheater and definitely a liar. And he isn’t showing any signs of improving. If you want the best for yourself and your daughters, leave him. You don’t want to keep entangled with such a man.
The fact that he helps you financially shouldn’t be a reason to stay, because being in such a relationship can only harm both you and your daughters on the long run. I hope you can find ways to support yourself without his help, and can let him go.
Wishing you strength and determination!
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