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Dear Felix,
it appears you were rejected as a child, and as a result, you’re now rejecting yourself and want to be taller, when it’s physically impossible. You’re in so much pain that you don’t even want to live. If you’d like, please describe a little bit what was the most painful about your childhood and in what ways you felt rejected.
It also seems you feel injustice about the whole situation – so were there any instances where you were judged unfairly, while someone else in your family, perhaps a sibling, had it much easier without really deserving it?
I am asking you this because this kind of self-rejection could be caused by a childhood wound, and if so, it’s crucial that you become aware of that wound…
April 25, 2021 at 12:39 am in reply to: Dealing with emotional/physical slumps on a regular basis #378685TeeParticipantDear Jess,
it sounds like you haven’t really felt appreciated in your own family, and felt better and more accepted by your friends.
In your family, there was one family member who’s always mocked you, and “there was not much support and positivity coming from this connection.” Your parents were “nice”, your father a bit disengaged, and it appears they were preoccupied with their jobs and your other siblings:
My parents have always been nice. My dad a little bit disengaged though. They have always provided support but not always the right support for âmeâ. They are their own people, they have their own lives, jobs, my other siblings to take care of.
They might have provided material support, but they didn’t provide adequate emotional support for you, weren’t there for you when you needed them. You got that support from your friends instead:
I remember feeling a little bit more emotionally interdependent from my parents and less family orientated than a lot of peers. for me family was always the people who treat your nicely and care and for me, and that was my friends.
Perhaps it wasn’t just your father that was disengaged, but your mother too (because she was too busy and preoccupied with care for your other siblings)?
Then, when you were 12, you went to an overseas trip, and when you returned, your friends weren’t exactly jumping up and down from joy that you’re back. They didn’t even ask you much about the trip. It appears as if their lives went on, regardless of whether you were there or not.
That’s when you felt a strong sense of rejection and the sense that “I don’t matter”, I suppose. Till then you felt you mattered at least to your friends (you didn’t feel you mattered that much to your parents, did you?), but from that moment on, even that was shattered. You lost interest and became disengaged with school, and an “empty and grey feeling” overwhelmed you out of the blue.
That was the feeling of rejection by your parents that was always dormant, but was until then successfully held at bay by the interest provided by your peers. But when their interest seemed to have evaporated, the empty and grey feeling took over completely.
I think this is what happened, Jess. If you’d like to share some more about the ways you felt neglected and emotionally not supported in your family, please do. Healing that emotional neglect, I believe, will be key for healing your recurrent depression too.
TeeParticipantDear Lana,
I am very sorry about what happened to you. It’s a horrible loss, and on top of that, your husband couldn’t deal with it and left. It happens sometimes that marriages fall apart after tragedies like that.
I haven’t been through anything similar, but perhaps a book by David Kessler “Finding Meaning: The Sixth Stage of Grief” can help. He’s talking about going beyond the usual 5 stages of grief and finding meaning and giving the tragedy a silver lining, I suppose (I haven’t read the book but I suppose one way of finding meaning could be to do volunteering work to perhaps help women and families in a similar situation). I know it’s easier said than done, but there might be something that resonates with you in that approach.
Also, are you seeing a therapist specialized in grief work? Perhaps that would need to come first, and then finding meaning as the next phase of the healing journey.
TeeParticipantDear lk09,
good to hear from you! I am fine, thank you. I am glad you’re happy in your own company, dancing and making plans for writing again. It’s also great your old friends have reached out, making a note that you’ve been hiding in your shell before, but now you’re opening up…
I do wish you to “survive” the ceremony tomorrow… I guess your presence won’t be needed, since only the male members participate? I also understand you don’t like traditional weddings, with such expensive gifts and all the “pomp and circumstance”… I guess I’d be intimated as well…
So try to keep cool as much as you can, and please do take care, specially having in mind the surge of infections in India.. how’s your friend’s father, who was in hospital?
TeeParticipantDear Felix,
in another thread you said you’re 5’5. Did you know that Dustin Hoffman is also 5’5, and Rob Schneider is 5’3? There are other famous actors who’re pretty short too, and it doesn’t stop them from thriving.
I know your problems are of deeper nature, and you have a hard time accepting yourself and the life circumstances you’re in. Not being able to accept your height is just one aspect of that overall rejection of your life circumstances. So I don’t expect you’ll be satisfied or comforted by this piece of information about Dustin Hoffman…
April 24, 2021 at 9:00 am in reply to: Dealing with emotional/physical slumps on a regular basis #378628TeeParticipantDear Jess,
you say that at the age of 12, you “became really disinterested/disengaged with school. I guess I experienced a couple ârejectionsâ”
I believe that those rejections by your peers might have contributed to an increased feeling of insecurity and lack of self-confidence. Until then, the feeling was dormant or not that strong, although present, because you were mocked and made fun of by some family members, and it probably didn’t start when you were 12, but earlier. Am I guessing this right?
Till the age of 12, perhaps your school friends provided a sort of a support system for you, and you didn’t feel bad about yourself (“I had a good group of friends“). But when some of those friends rejected you, you started feeling vulnerable and “lesser than”, and this started a downward spiral. Do you think this is what might have happened?
TeeParticipantDear Alice,
has he asked you if you have a boyfriend? That might be a sign he’s interested… You can also ask him if he has a girlfriend back in France, if you’re not super embarrassed to ask…
April 24, 2021 at 3:09 am in reply to: I’m addicted to nostalgic feelings and it only makes me feel worse, I guess. #378610TeeParticipantDear miyoid,
it’s good to hear from you! I am sorry you’ve got some doubts again, but it’s also okay you’re probing further, trying to get to know yourself better and better…
I realized that all this stuff I thought I loved, I just love the outcome. For example, I thought I loved drawing, designing, handling business, communication, interpreting, video-editing, reading, languages. But Iâve realized, I donât like the process of doing those, I just love when I create or accomplish something.
I am just doing what people want me to do, and I am in delusion about what I want.
I wonder if this has something to do with the fact that the only time your mother showed interest in you and gave you praise was when you made money from your designs, as a teenager? She was happy about the outcome – more money for both of you – but she wasn’t particularly encouraging or praising your talent as a designer. I don’t know if this is true, but it occurred to me as a possibility.
Do you remember how your mother reacted when you were little and e.g. made a drawing and showed it to her? Or any similar little accomplishment – was she there to affirm it and be happy about it and praise you for it, or she didn’t really appreciate it much?
I guess your father wasn’t excited about your accomplishments either, because he was rather self-centered, if I understood well?
About your boyfriend, well, try not to get attached to him and expect things that you know he cannot give you. Even now, he disappeared and didn’t reply to your message for half a day. His behavior hasn’t really changed, so if you can’t break up with him, the best strategy is not to expect anything and to be prepared to stop contact whenever he behaves in ways that are hurtful or neglectful. It’s great – and super important – that he doesn’t live with you any more, so whenever you don’t like something, you can retreat to the safety of your own home.
TeeParticipantDear Sarasa,
good to read from you again! I am sorry things turned out like this, but at least now you know what the deal is, and can start moving on…
I always land up trusting the wrong guy.Â
If you’ve already noticed this pattern before, perhaps it’s worth exploring it a little more. Have you experienced betrayal or disappointment before, in your relationship with men? Or even earlier, in your family of origin?
I tried downloading networking apps and finding new people to talk to virtually. Itâs hard for me just to be friends with them too. I find it hard to trust them.
Yes, meeting people virtually can be a challenge because they may be pretending to be someone they’re not. How about meeting guys in person? I know it’s more difficult now, during covid, but once the restrictions lessen, do you think you would get the chance to meet people face to face, or it’s a challenge for you?
April 24, 2021 at 12:39 am in reply to: Is it normal to feel on and off about your significant other? #378606TeeParticipantDear Ashmitha,
you’re very welcome. Regarding your parents, it appears they found an arrangement which suits them both – living apart, with weekend visits by your father. When he visits during the weekend, how’s the atmosphere? Is there still tension? Is he still drinking too much?
Regarding your boyfriend, you say:
Yes I do notice that when family is stressing me out, I feel an urge contact my partner and just talk to them.
Do you feel you can share whatever bothers you and he’d be understanding and supportive? Does he share when there are issues in his family, and he just wants to talk about it or ask for your opinion?
About your previous relationships, you said:
Even when I have known I was unhappy in a relationship and I bring that up to them, once they agree to or suggest a breakup, I feel very anxious and donât want them to leave. Yet, I will go into it thinking I do want to leave.
How does it happen? You’re unhappy in a relationship, you bring it up with your boyfriend, and then it’s them who usually suggest a breakup and you agree, even though a part of you feels anxious about it?
You also said earlier that you leave easily, without really trying to fix the relationship:
I have always wondered why my friends have been in 4 year relationships, and despite having problems, will always want to get back together, whereas I am fine with leaving a relationship if something isnât working.
I guess there’s a part which wants to stay – the part that wants security and fears being alone. And that’s the fragile, scared inner child, which you suppressed because you needed to be the hero for your mother. That little girl needs a protector in her life, that’s why she can’t stay alone for long. She’s also the one who feels anxious that the relationship would end.
But there’s also another part of you, who’s afraid of staying in a relationship which has problems, because you know where those problems might lead (your father threatening your mother with a knife). This part is probably afraid of the slightest problem and wants out as soon as something is off.
This seems to me like the dynamic behind your relationship behavior. In order to be able to talk about problems with your partner, you’d need to 1) stop being afraid that he’d leave you if you say something, and 2) stop believing that problems cannot be solved, and that the only solution is to leave.
April 23, 2021 at 5:28 am in reply to: I do not know if I just want to be heard or need some feedback/advice #378548TeeParticipantDear Kibou,
It appears you became much more self-aware in the past year and went through some serious transformation. Itâs great that youâre much more able to be with your own pain, it doesnât âburnâ so much anymore, and youâre able to better regulate your moods, without falling into serious depression.
Thereâs a few things that caught my attention as I was reading your posts. First â about Japan:
I used to study [Japanese] for a couple of years with a smile on my face; it would simply make me happy I couldnât explain it. The moment anything related to Japan came up I was interested or motivated.
What was it about learning Japanese and thinking about Japan that made you happy and motivated?
Then, your nomadic lifestyle:
I want to add that I have lived a quiet nomad lifestyle and people coming and going has been part of my life since I was very young. I believe this also plays a factor.
Could you say a little more about that phase of your life? How come you lived a nomadic lifestyle? Was your family moving a lot?
You say that a part of the reason you lost your passion is that some of the goals you were pursuing earlier werenât even yours:
I can say though that many of those âwhysâ I was having were not fully only my whyâs.
Could you talk a little about that â about your parents’ expectations, and in general how you felt while growing up?
TeeParticipantDear Katrine Nielsen,
I am sorry that your grandfather, whom you liked, passed away when you were still young. I am also sorry that you had to go through such a difficult childhood experience.
The first thing you can do is try to have compassion for your younger self, and tell yourself that it wasn’t your fault. And that you weren’t equipped – like no child is – to deal with such emotional burden that you were facing.
You were bullied, and your parents and teachers ignored it, and so you anxiety became even bigger, to the point of being afraid to ride on a bus. Your anxiety seems to be largely related to the fear of judgment and condemnation by others. And you did experience a lot of judgment and condemnation in your childhood, both from your peers who bullied you, and from your parents and teachers, who thought you shouldn’t be anxious, and should just “get over it”.
So I think it’d very helpful if you could have compassion and understanding for that little girl, who had no one to ease her anxiety – to hold her hand, take her into their lap and console her, to go to her school and talk to the teachers. There was no one who had compassion and understanding for you, and so the first step you can do is to have compassion and understanding for yourself, Katrine.
I think it’d also be great if you could find a therapist who can be that positive, compassionate, comforting figure – someone to “hold you” emotionally and soothe your anxiety, and help you learn how to love yourself. Do you have in mind someone who could be this soothing mother figure (or even a grandfather figure) for you?
Also, try to understand that you have the right to be happy and lead a happy and fulfilling life, even if it might not be possible for your sister. You don’t have to suffer just because she suffers. You don’t have to feel guilty for having your own goals and dreams, for wanting to find happiness outside of your role of helper and care-taker to your sister (more precisely, the secondary helper, because the primary helper is your mother).
In that context, it was wonderful that you got the opportunity to spend some time and work in London for a while, and it shows you’re capable of that. But you’ll need to do some more healing and finding yourself, before you can embrace a new life script and new possibilities for yourself.
TeeParticipantDear Katrine Nielsen,
Iâve read this and your previous threads. You say your anxiety, depression and stress started when you were 7 years old, coinciding with your sister becoming seriously ill, with a disease which will later be diagnosed as encephalitis. Due to this disease, your sister was often screaming with pain, and it took 7 years till she was properly diagnosed. She nearly died a few times during that period. The doctors and one part of your family, including your grandmother, thought your sister was merely seeking attention and has no physical ailments whatsoever. You as a family felt ostracized and excluded, and your grandmother excluded you and your sister from her will.
What I think happened is that when you were 7, suddenly all of your parentsâ attention went to your sick sister, who suffered greatly, while no one knew whatâs wrong with her. Your mother, who was the pillar of the family â both emotionally and financially – didnât have time to deal with your problems, such as you being bullied at school or developing anxiety. She was 100% devoted to your sister. Your father, who was emotionally detached anyway, wasnât much of a help to you either. You couldnât turn to him for help, neither could you confide in your grandmother, who was very judgmental and claimed your sisterâs disease was a lie.
So you were left alone to cope with your fears, anxiety, and being bullied at school, even by your teachers. There was no one to comfort you or to protect you – such as go to school and talk to your teachers. Your parents told you to simply ignore the verbal abuse and not think about it. When you complained about physical abuse and bullying, they asked you if you want to change schools. But since you were afraid to transfer to a new environment with possibly even more bullying, being a new kid, you rather stayed at your old school.
The teachers had no understanding for your problems either. They said if youâre afraid of something, the best way is to face it, to do it. So they forced you go give presentations in front of the entire class, and you felt horrified and panicked, and once even cut your wrists.
Your parents didnât have much understanding for your anxiety either. They didnât understand why youâre afraid to ride on a bus, or give presentations at school, or any such âsimpleâ things that doesnât really represent any real danger, in their view. When you cut your wrists, they took you to a child psychiatrist. He told them itâs better not to force you, so they stopped. But I guess the bullying at school didnât stop, you just had to live with it.
You described your situation very well:
But emotionally I have been on my own so to say. Iâve never been able to talk about my feelings and fears without getting a just be positive and donât think about it. Dealing with my sisters illness, work, house chores and a mother in law calling her a bad mother, there wasnât any energy left. So I had to learn to deal with my anxiety, feelings, bullies on my own. Trying to self soothe and pep talk my self. My parents donât understan anxiety, like why are you anxious thereâs nothing to be anxious about. Making me feel really weak because I canât just snap out of it.
You were completely on your own since the age of 7. Your emotional needs were completely neglected because your sister became a priority. You had no one to turn to â neither to your parents, nor your teachers, nor your larger family. You in a way were sacrificed because of your sister. It often happens in families when one child becomes severely ill. The other child, who has lesser needs, gets often neglected because the parents simply donât have the time and energy to deal with the other child.
But you had it specially difficult because your grandmother and your larger family wasnât supportive either (neither were the teachers nor the doctors who treated your sister). Your family didnât have anyone to turn to, and you specially, within that family, had absolutely no one to turn to. (What about your other grandmother â your motherâs mother btw? Was she in your life in some capacity?)
As you got older, your sister accused you of being selfish if you have any needs or desires of your own. Youâre supposed to sacrifice your life for her, and if you refuse, she throws a tantrum and makes you feel guilty.
In any case, I believe your anxiety and depression is the result of being emotionally neglected as a child, and left to cope on your own with physical and emotional abuse by your peers and teachers. These deficiencies could be made up for, but youâd need to work with it in therapy, to heal those childhood wounds. Are you attending therapy?
- This reply was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by Tee.
TeeParticipantDear Anna,
I see now that you’ve explained why he wanted to take a break from the relationship: once was due to 3 deaths that occurred in his family, and another time was because he felt bad about his studies, and I guess pressured by his mother to continue. Perhaps, when he feels bad about his studies, he starts feeling bad about himself too (perhaps feeling like he’s a failure, inadequate – so a strong negative inner critic takes over him), and that’s why he also withdraws from you – because he feels not good enough for the relationship either?
TeeParticipantDear Anna,
Sometimes I feel like itâs more his personality rather than his mental health which makes him withdraw from everything.
This is quite probable, specially since he has a strict mother, who’s pressuring him to continue his studies, which he doesn’t want to do. I imagine she’s been like that his entire life, having expectations from him, not taking into consideration his feelings and desires, criticizing him etc. He feels trapped but because he also feels unable to help himself, his only way is to withdraw into depression, to sort of “switch off”.
So I believe he feels weak and helpless inside, and his defense mechanism is depression, because he doesn’t believe he can escape the situation in a different, healthier way (e.g. by getting a job and moving from his parents’ place). Some people in a similar situation develop various addictions to soothe the pain, but his coping mechanism is to go numb.
You might remind him of his mother a little, because you too have expectations on him, at least to talk to you and keep in touch, while he doesn’t feel like doing that either. He just wants to be left alone. And I guess when he’s in a bad phase, he feels hopeless about the situation, that’s why he probably feels like there’s no point in talking to you.
Then, when he feels a little better, he resumes contact, as if nothing happened. He doesn’t apologize or explain anything, which is interesting. Perhaps he believes you’ll be there always, just like his mother is, waiting for him to get better and to fulfill her expectations. I don’t know, just a thought…
Anyway, I believe he should work on his relationship with his mother in therapy. Has he done that in the past?
About your relationship, you say:
We both deeply love(d ?) each other since the beginning. We used to have a very good communication, we werenât scared to say when we didnât feel ok and that we needed time by ourselves in order to feel better.
Since the start of your relationship, he’s experienced a low-grade depression, but he hadn’t been diagnosed at that point. But he used to ask for time alone already then, right? If so, it means he started to withdraw, or seek pauses, pretty early in the relationship. But at that time, he at least communicated with you. Did he explain why he needs to take a break?
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