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Hi Tee,
ehhh I know, itâs been a long time, and Iâve disappeared again đ
Itâs mostly because of health issues, larger and smaller, which have been causing me health anxiety. Itâs like I do have real health issues (I am not imagining it), but then my fear and worry about it make things worse. It occupies me, and itâs hard to focus on anything productive, including posting here on the forum.
So yeah, I am sorry for not responding and disappearing yet again⊠And I thank you for being so kind and checking in on me⊠I really appreciate it, SereneWolf.
It’s totally fine I can understand. I wanted to know if you’re getting better, but thanks for responding. I know your health issues aren’t easier, so I hope it gets better and I also hope that you get more courage and love over anxiety for your health.
How have you been?
I’m doing ok. Trying for my self-esteem issues and love myself more. But I believe I’m getting better. I’ve completely focused myself for my career. No situationships for now. Although my sister and brother-in-law kinda on a mission to find a girl for me and convince me to get married and I know their intention aren’t wrong and also started to tell me lot of good aspects from the right partner and marriage, so I’m not scared about marriage as I used to. Since I’m seeing a good thing about it. But I’ve told them only to start look for girls when I tell you that I’m ready. and they agreed.
And lately I do try to be grateful and positive within, yet I still feel alone and helpless and losing hope sometimes. But I’m still being resilient. I’m trying to listen to Inner positive voices like Krishna and Uncle Iroh like and try to feel like someone’s watching over me and they got my back and things will get better.SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
I hope you’re in good health. Just wanted to check in.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
No, I live in an apartment building. I meant that in general: that rain is good for the crops out there in the fields đ
Oh I see, I agree though here I like the starting of the winter the cool breeze and lot of fresh green veggies available to cook
Yeah, I guess so. Itâs my learned helplessness that was telling me differently. Thatâs what Iâve realized recently: that I adopted learned helplessness in many areas of my life (due to my childhood and upbringing), and itâs been a slow process to âunlearnâ it. The most recent but long-lasting example is my health problems, which triggered a lot of my childhood trauma.
And it actually occurred to me that youâre the opposite of me in that sense: whereas my âmodus operandiâ is learned helplessness (believing that I am weak, and relying too much on other people to help me/save me), yours seems to be excessive self-reliance, to the point to pushing other people away. In other words, I am too needy, while you seem to be not needing anyone, or rather, not wanting to need anyone.
Oh I see, I didnât know so thanks for sharing. Then how can same kind of wound could have opposite ends of spectrum? Also in my case excessive self-reliance is depleting my energy quickly and burning me out time to time yet still attacking my self-esteem. Like Iâd be like I can do it no matter what and then when Iâm not able to I blame myself subconsciously. Because in my head Iâm like what others can do? I have to rely on myself to get things done.
Because my trust issues adds up in this as well. But we can change our âmodus operandiâ right? How you’re still coping with feeling helpless?Both of those are defense mechanisms to a similar type of childhood wounding, but they are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. You had a very criticizing father and a mother who didnât protect you, whereas for me it was a very criticizing mother and a father who didnât protect me. Your mother and my father were more interested in keeping the âpeaceâ in the house, while less interested in their childâs well-being.
My father was more interested in appeasing my mother, than in protecting me. He would minimize and try to explain away my motherâs behavior. He was gaslighting both himself and me that what is happening is not a big deal. I believe your mother was the same?
Yeah, I guess my mother thought peace in the family means more than my protection or my mental health and to be honest even now my parents arenât much aware about like mental health is a thing. They think if youâre getting basic needs, you should be happier and kind of materialistic happiness. Because of the small village mentality. Also My mother did told me most of her life all she did is just calm my fatherâs anger because of relatives and other things going on. Which I think is very toxic on my fatherâs side. I wouldnât be able to bear that behaviour any longer thatâs why I started living on my own much earlier. I guess she just didnât think about standing up for herself. Which could be the same case for your father?
Of course, when I was a child I didnât know that my fatherâs silence meant that he isnât able to confront my mother. Instead, I believed that I was the problem and that my mother is right. My fatherâs silence meant a confirmation that I was a faulty child, that something is wrong with me. So he was complicit in my motherâs emotional abuse. He was a silent bystander, even though he never personally treated me badly.
Anyway, I believe we got a double whammy of one abusive parent and the other silent/complicit. And it ruined our self-esteem, because the complicit parent didnât protect us from the abusive one, and so the only message weâve received was that we are bad and faulty. At least thatâs the message Iâve received.
Yeah thatâs right and I think main issue here is our ruined self-esteem as a result which isnât easier to heal faster. So now that you are aware that you werenât the faulty child yet itâs still rooted in you? Thatâs what you mean?
In my case luckily itâs not bad as before (But still) I do feel I have to achieve much more and Iâm not good enough just yet.You did say your mother was kind and caring in many instances, and so was my father (specially when it was just the two of us spending time together, going on holidays, hikes etc). But when it comes to confronting my mother about her behavior (both towards me and towards himself), my father was weak. And so her message (that I am not good enough) never got counter-balanced by something positive.
Yeah I think my motherâs behaviour was the same.
Maybe I am repeating myself because weâve been talking about this before. But it is what Iâve been thinking recently â how our defense mechanisms are on the opposite sides of the spectrum. Me: too dependent and needy. You: too âindependentâ and not wanting to need anyone.
And it was not that hard for you to opt for total self-reliance â because you were quite capable and managed to get out unscathed from many tough situations/adventures, without needing your parents to save you. Which I guess strengthened the sense that you donât need them and can manage on your own (in lot of situations I was alone and I saved my own self. There are some situations where people did helped me but still...)
So once you were old enough (around 16), you stopped relying on your parents for physical survival and sustenance, and you moved out. You didnât need them for emotional sustenance either, because theyâve hurt you, each in their own way. The result is that you became totally self-reliant. (In comparison, I still felt like a child at 20, and couldnât imagine to move out and live independently.)
Itâs not a bad thing if weâre physically/financially self-reliant (thatâs something we should actually strive for as adults â to be able to support ourselves). But your self-reliance stretches into the emotional realm too (But basically for relationship youâre right Iâve been hurt and I was alone so I thought just myself is enough). And this is giving you trouble nowâŠ
I agree with you. And the thing is that I never been taught to give relationships priority you know. Thatâs something I discovered after my earlier 20s that building relationships romantic or generally itâs really important. And the self-reliance fueled that wrong belief even more. And the funny part is that I have trust issues even though till now Iâve met like really kind, helpful and amazing people. Generally takes me long to trust in the person. But what Iâm glad about is that I was never into transactional relationships like Iâm only helping you just because you helped me. I always have this mindset of If Iâm able to help someone then Iâm going to help. I donât want something in return.
But in previous romantic relationship part I was like a fixing figure so that also didnât fulfilled me either so..
Oh talking about that you know that women are more likely to fall in love when she have sex with the same person? But for men itâs not the same. Doctor told me that đ
I told her If she wants we can also stop physical things but she was like naah.. But anyways I guess weâre both little tired to find something more suitable for ourselves..
Well, trust has to be built. I was talking about the person having a track record of being trustworthy, e.g. of showing up when theyâve promised, of not laughing at you when you show vulnerability, of supporting you when something bad happens (e.g. when your cat died). After a while, you realize you can trust them that they wonât hurt you or betray you.
Hmm in that case I did meet mostly the nice women. Doctor is extra nice and sensitive though. But I did get your point. And the thing is I guess my senses are stronger in that regard if Iâm around disrespectful and insensitive type of women I wouldnât even think about going out with her or even act aloof when she tries to get along with me. But I guess I do have to try to meet more women not just for romantic relationship but to remove my shyness to ask out someone when I actually like them
Fast love can be infatuation â itâs when we have our rose-colored glasses on and idealize the person and fail to see the warning signs. But for you, I guess youâre afraid to fall in love â you are afraid to form an attachment to the person â because you are afraid theyâd hurt you. I think that whenever we get attached to someone, we need something from them, and them disappearing from our lives would hurt us. So thatâs a risk that you are not willing to take yet.
I think thatâs why you donât feel âfast loveâ â because youâre preventing yourself from falling in love, i.e. to form that attachment.
Ohh right definitely I am afraid of falling in love. It feels like Iâm trying to protecting too much or like not letting it loose enough you know.. and I donât think I need something from them. But more like fear of wasting time and not working out and just dull over the time you know. Because again I still have the fear that Iâm not getting any younger
Yes, and youâre actually getting to know her, and based on what you said, she seems trustworthy. But your fear doesnât let you start trusting her. It doesnât let you fall in love with her either.
Hmm I guess so.. and I do trust her. But somehow Iâm still not trusting in this relationship working out with her
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Yes, it is đ Youâre seeing it clearly. Which is a good place to start healing đ
Iâve got some ideas why you have so much mistrust, and I think itâs related to your mother not really supporting you, but making allegiance with your father (excusing his abusive behavior, and telling you to be the mature one and tolerate abuse). So it was a kind of betrayal.
How do you feel about all this? We can explore it some more, if you feel like itâŠ
To be honest Iâm not sure if thatâs the root cause it may be I donât know⊠and yeah we can explore
Maybe she was actually jealous of your enthusiasm and didnât like it? It wouldnât be your fault, of course, but maybe she is intimidated by people who seem more confident and energetic than she is?
In any case, I am very sorry. Itâs their loss not hiring you, because you would have been a great asset⊠But anyway, youâll find something else, something close to your heart, and hopefully very soon!
She did seem intimidated but I couldnât just hide my enthusiasm because I practiced a lot and I was just more hopeful so..
Yeah thanks I hope so.. I took few days of break for applying. I didnât just felt like it. I started applying again though so letâs see.
SereneWolfParticipantWell just got an update for an interview. not selected for further round. đ„Č
I did had a good feeling about this one but oh wellSereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Howâs your week going?
Itâs more rainy than Iâd fancy, but itâs okay, itâs good for the plants and crops đ
Oh cool. You have like your own little farm that you grow crops in? what plants are there?
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Yes, although with health anxiety itâs tricky because the pain is in the body, so sometimes itâs triggering to focus on oneâs body and feel all the various sensations (which is a typical exercise for grounding), because then youâll feel the pain too, and itâs counterproductive. So for me, it is more like self-suggestion and telling myself that I am stronger than I think, and that the last time the pain went away, so it will happen this time too.
Ah I see, thatâs right triggering the feeling of pain ainât easy. And youâre indeed much stronger than you think! No matter what your anxiety says to you.
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Great! I am rooting for you to make it happen!
Thanks a lot đ
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You are very welcome. Yeah, self-worth is key, and thatâs what gets damaged when we have a criticizing parent. Your father made you believe youâre not good enough (when you didnât get straight As, when you didnât get him the right tool immediately, and in many other occasions throughout your childhood), and so thatâs what you started believing about yourself too. And it takes a long time and healing to undo that false beliefâŠ
Yes I guess because Iâm self-aware about these things at later age itâs little bit harder because the roots are deeper
I am glad youâre aware of your skills, and how capable you are of learning new things, adapting, and thriving in a new setting. So yeah, donât forget that. And indeed, that youâre an asset and have a lot to offer.
Yes Iâm trying to believe that!
What I am trying to say is donât immediately make the worst possible conclusion about yourself. Donât question your worth, even if a company rejects you!
Well to be honest Iâm not doing that consciously. Most of the time Iâve seen those emails Iâd just ignore it. I be like yeah okay, there will be a good match soon. But I guess maybe itâs my subconscious.
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First, I am happy if you started believing that you can find someone compatible, someone you can enjoy time together even in silence. Thatâs so precious! And if this girl is in that category, youâre lucky.
Well she is in that category. But Iâm always questioning this like there is very slight chance that it would work out between us. Because I do like to spend time with her but she also scares me with her bold âcommitment typeâ of moves sometimes đ
It sounds like the fear of getting hurt, once youâve given your heart to someone. When we love, we are vulnerable. Weâve talked about vulnerability before. Without vulnerability, there is no healthy relationship. There is no authenticity. But you fear to be vulnerable because if weâre hurt by someone we love and trust, it hurts a lot. It hurts like hell.
And youâve already experienced this pain in your childhood: youâve opened your heart and trusted your parents, and theyâve hurt you. Specially your father. And it happened again and again. So for you, being vulnerable and needing someone is a big no-no. Super scary. You want to prevent to be hurt again. Would you agree with this?
Hmm not really because I believe itâs not about getting hurt anymore. Because I donât know I got this sense of strength that it is my heart and Iâm able to heal my heart no matter what. Maybe my heart is rigid and Iâm also sensitive occasionally but I know time and patience can heal heart. And because of this girl I donât think Iâm much scared about vulnerability either.
There are no guarantees in life. And no absolute security. When I get out in the street, who guarantees me that a brick wonât fall on my head? That I wonât be hit by a car? If we lived like that, we wouldnât live at all.
But still, in a relationship, you can know if someone is trustworthy. Itâs not so completely random. Because the person has a track record or supporting you and being there for you. If you marry someone, you donât marry them at a whim, but because youâve got to know the person. Youâve been vulnerable with them, and theyâve been vulnerable with you. And when problems arise, you communicate about it, you donât pretend that everything is fine.
All this is still not a guarantee of âliving happily ever afterâ, but it gives you a certain certainty, a higher probability of things working out.
You know what they say: nothing is ever certain in life, only death is. But within that general uncertainty, you can still count on some people and trust them â because they have proven themselves as trustworthy.
I agree with you. So what you mean is a process of trusting first and even for me in relationship trust comes first and after that, love. Maybe somewhere I still believe in fast love yet still have that feeling of security which isnât right. My controlling behavior haha
And slow love, like getting to know the person, building trust and love based on that. It seems long process but there is actually much higher probability.
But because I was already in many unhealthy relationship dynamics even that seems questionable and time wasting to me. So in a way Iâm craving a heathy love yet still exhausted to actually put in efforts for healthy love. Me, Iâm the problem itâs me đ
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Retina is super important⊠I do hope she gets better. There are also vitamins she can take, to strengthen the retina, but I guess she knows all thatâŠ
I guess sheâs already doing that but it what happened to her is more like genetic so..
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Great! Were they physically dangerous situations (like watching the lioness give birth in the jungle), or other types of situations?
Yes. Physically and mentally dangerous both. I went to visit oil refinery with my uncle and they gave us VIP pass and my uncle was there for business matters so he was working and I was just curious checking things here and there was this giant pod they didnât know I was in so they locked up. They couldnât even hear if I scream. So I just sit there for an hour and after that looking around and see thing yellow printed sign for the location and pickup time was on the pod so I was like damn if I wonât hurry Iâm going to dead because they lift up the pod with machines and itâs quite fast so much higher chances of me getting crushed inside the pod. But I calmed myself and there was this pointy rod thing I managed to remove it after like half house and sharp pointy rod can make much higher noise to an iron pod so, so thatâs how they find out I was there đ
And it happened with wild animals too⊠not giving birth (Because that is actually beautiful thing) but in Lion just sitting on the way when I was just riding my bicycle going back home. I wasnât taking road but the farm area shortcuts because it was easier and faster. If you move too much around lion it would mean youâre a meal thatâs it. So I literally waited like 3.5 hours just sitting there waiting him to move on his own and till then I was just sitting on my bicycle like a statue.
And lot of other normal work and school related things lol
You see how much hope (and trust) you had, even in dangerous, possibly life-threatening situations? I guess you had trust in yourself and your own abilities, and in providence, right?
At the same time, you are scared to trust another person. I am not judging you at all, just inviting you to notice it. Youâre scared to trust because youâve been hurt in your childhood. So trust in relationships is gone. Trust in nature (and your own abilities) is still there, but trust in another person is gone.
Yes exactly because in lot of situations I was alone and I saved my own self. There are some situations where people did helped me but still..
But basically for relationship youâre right Iâve been hurt and I was alone so I thought just myself is enough.
Yes you do. Youâd only have to learn how to trust againâŠ
Yes I know, Iâm trying
Wishing you best of luck on Wednesday! (but we can talk in the meanwhile too, hope my eyes wills serve me đ )
Thanks, and yes my interview went actually well. Beyond my expectations. I practiced a lot but she didn’t ask many things. but Still I donât think I gave the best answers but more like satisfactory? Because the Technical interviewer had less energy and I was energetic, so I guess she did like that enthusiasm as well. but letâs see now. There will be another interview with Data scientist soon. But Iâm still worried though.
You still having eye problems? Is it getting any better?
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Hope youâre having a good weekend.
So itâs like there is a real reason why I am concerned about my health, but still, I donât need to worry that much. This excessive worrying is a part of health anxiety, and luckily I am learning how to deal with it and calm myself down.
I see what you mean I understood it now. But Iâm glad youâre able to deal with it now. I guess this also involves some grounding practice?
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Yes, they both are super important sectors, and sustainability is close to my heart too. Itâs good that youâre looking for jobs in fields that are meaningful to you!
Me too. and when I gather enough capital, I want to start some good sustainability startup for sure. Thatâs one of my goals.
I understand that you really want this job. And the pressure to get it. But unfortunately it increases your anxiety, which then makes it harder during the interview. Perhaps the first thing youâd need to do it put the perfectionist pressure off yourself: âI Need to ace all of this interviews.â
No, you donât need to ace them. You donât need to be perfect, which was the requirement your father has put on you. You only need to be yourself â which is GOOD ENOUGH.
Because honestly, without flattering you, Serenewolf, you are good enough. You are more than qualified, you have the experience, the knowledge, the managerial skills, and emotional intelligence as well. Youâve got both the tech skills and the soft skills. So really, I think youâre a well-rounded candidate with a lot to offer.
Please think of yourself in those terms. Youâll be a great asset for them, theyâll be lucky to have you. Youâve got a lot of offer. Try to think in those terms.
Again Thanks for giving me amazing and touching reminders about myself. I do tend to forget my own self worth or what Iâm able to provide or achieve. I believe Long term of inner  critic have to do something with that or maybe something else. My soft skills have indeed improved much better as well as technical skills and top of that Iâm so adaptable to learn new things. The first company I worked for I literally learned everything under a week. Even though I was a total fresher at that time.
Yeah, keep your focus on your job for now. You can return to the relationship topic later. But also, if you can relax a bit and see yourself as a great candidate for the job (like I suggested above), you donât need to worry that much. Just change the perspective a little, and you wonât be under such huge pressure.
Yes youâre right Iâm trying to change my perspective but after getting many rejection emails itâs not that easy you know
Iâve heard once that excitement and anxiety are very similar in terms of the hormones that are secreted. Iâve just looked it up now and found a Forbes article about it, titled âAnxiety vs relaxation: Relabeling anxiety as excitementâ. Here is an excerpt:
The feeling of anxiety is physiologically almost the same as the feeling of excitement. Both feelings produce an elevated heart rate and a feeling of butterflies in your stomach. Both might make you sweat. Your body is readying itself for action. But the feelings are different.
If you can redefine getting this job as an opportunity and challenge, rather than a horrible loss if it doesnât happen, you might be able to feel more excitement and less fear and anxiety. Anyway, just an idea. Let me know how it sounds to you.
Thatâs a really insightful advice indeed! Thanks for sharing. I love it đ
I think it has to do with your childhood experience of not feeling safe and accepted in the relationship with your parents (specially with your father). Relationship and vulnerability feels like a burden, perhaps even a threat, rather than a source of comfort and safety. From what weâve talked about so far, relationship feels like a threat to your independence, freedom, life goals, pursuing your passions⊠Am I right in thinking that? And as long as you see relationship as a threat, no wonder youâll be afraid of it.
Recently Iâm not seeing relationship as a threat. But more like what if after that much invested time and emotions what if it doesnât work out? So itâs a fear like this. Because thereâs another thing Now I know I can find someone who understand me and we have similar life values and enjoy time together even in silence. (Not easy but not that hard) and donât get me wrong I try to be positive for love but the thing is still if I read or see something around like Breakup or cheating or hear some things like that from someone Iâm immediately somewhat feeling like Iâm saved. Because Iâm not committed, I donât have to deal with those things.
Just recently one of my friendâs bf ended relationship with her saying that he doesnât love her anymore and ended a 7 YEARS long relationship. So hearing things like this how can I be even little hopeful?You mean you need to repeat everything about yourself to the new therapist, until they get to know you?
Yes and you already know how much harder it is for me express myself properly
She does sound like a very kind and supportive person, who is willing to help in spite of her health issues. Thatâs admirable. I understand why you donât want to switch to someone else. Letâs hope she will get better soon. By the way, does she have a diagnosis of what her eye problems are?
She have some kind of retinal condition. So itâs advised to her that she should spend much less screentime as possible to prevent further damage and sometimes sheâs also getting migraines as well so
Sure, yes, a good therapist is first and foremost a positive, compassionate presence in our life. Someone who listens to us without judgment. Someone we can be authentic with. Therapeutic relationship is important precisely because of that. Because a therapist ideally creates a safe, non-judgmental place for us to express ourselves, to be ourselves. Something many of us didnât have while growing up. In doing so, the therapist also teaches us to create that safe place within ourselves: our internal good parent, or Uncle Iroh or Lord Krishna.
And you succeeded in creating that safe space within yourself, because as you say:Â And thatâs why Iâm blaming myself much less than I used to.
And because of that, yes, itâs easier to do self-healing too, because you have your own inner therapist now. The inner critic is still there, but Uncle Iroh is there too, and thatâs so precious!
Haha well tbh it what keeps me sane time to time. Because Iâve been situations that normal person just couldnât even bare. And even in that kind of time I was able to be calm and tell myself itâs alright, Breathe. I can solve it. I can handle this.
And sometimes even like just surrendering myself for like total hope. Like no matter what itâll be alright. I survived lot of things and Iâll survive this and succeed. And lot of times it actually worked without even putting too much effort. Can you imagine?Â
Thank you, SereneWolf. I think youâve made an amazing progress. I remember in the beginning you didnât want to accept that our childhood has a huge impact on us as adults đ but then you kind of âgot itâ, and thatâs when you really went deeper and expanded your self-awareness. Thatâs when you decided to start therapy too⊠All that helped you to have much more compassion and understanding for yourself. And I hope you do feel better about yourself in your day-to-day life, without too much self-blame and self-criticism?
You still have work to do related to the fear of relationship, but youâll get there. Right now, focus on feeling good enough for the job youâre applying for. Because as I said, youâre more than good enough. Just try to get your confidence up, feeling good in your own skin, and I promise you, youâll ace that interview, without even trying to do it đ
Oh haha I remember I was being stubborn about it but thanks again for always being understanding, guiding me and supporting me. I highly appreciate it. And yeah I do think Iâm much self-aware than before. And I do feel much better about myself than before definitely. Iâd say Self-blame is totally gone but yeah some self-criticism is still there.
Yes I know I have to work on my fear of relationship because I know I have so much love to give.
Yes. Iâm already practicing for an interview. Thanks a lot for your good wishes! I feel much better. đ»đSereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
Actually, I am only now starting to learn to be more resilient. These health issues made me feel very fragile physically, but Iâve realized I am also fragile emotionally. For example, believing that Iâd never heal, worrying, catastrophizing etc. And Iâve learned that those are all symptoms of health anxiety. So now Iâve learned how to cope with that anxiety, and also to start seeing myself as more resilient (physically) than I thought I was.
So nowadays, whenever I have a flare-up of my symptoms, I donât start despairing and thinking my life is over, but I let it pass. And within a few days, my symptoms do subside and I feel better again. So this is how I am learning resilience⊠by tolerating physical pain đ But itâs been hard, a very hard lesson.. but anyway, thatâs life, I hope I am now stronger because of it đ
Oh actually I didnât even know thereâs a specifically thing like health anxiety exist. But Iâm glad you found a way to cope with that anxiety. I guess we always find a way one way or another. And I do like your approach because in your situation combining with physical pain so itâs easy to feel fragile and anxious! so Keep up your good work đ
So you ended up not applying for that entry level job, which was paying well and looked promising?
I did apply but unfortunately didnât get selected. Someone with even higher experience than me started working there with less salary package. But I didnât sulk over that because it was months ago and I thought maybe that person needed that job more than me.
I am sorry itâs been so stressful for you. Are the opportunities so limited or you are somewhat picky, looking for a very specific thing?
Itâs the IT job market in general. There arenât even enough jobs open, on top of that layoffs. And what Iâm looking for is working in HealthTech or Sustainability sector. Because I think itâs meaningful for me and also impactful.
Luckily just Thursday I passed initial interview for this Healthtech company. Itâs really good position. Took me really long to get selected for a position like that. Itâs also fully remote. And enough pay that I can also move to Europe without any issues.
Now I have next technical interview on Next Wednesday. but I have high hope for this as well as this crazy fear and anxiety that what if I donât perform well and donât get it? Itâs a really good opportunity that I just donât want to lose. And itâs just not even letting me practice with good focus. Because this one has multiple stage of interviews after interview on Wednesday there will be two more interviews. And I Need to ace all of this interviews.
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I see. It just occurred to me that when you are under stress and feeling bad about something (like with the job search at the moment), you donât need anyone around to support you. Like, a romantic relationship isnât a resource for you, but a burden, it seems? And so you tend to get rid of the relationship, to feel less burdened, right?
When I talked about this my therapist while ago she said at difficult time thatâs what exactly you need, someone who really supports you and she told me try to stop always being self-dependent. But tbh Iâm not able to do that for now. My focus for job is sharp. Because currently itâs a necessity.
It seems she really likes you and is waiting for you. I am kind of rooting for the two of you too đ Because she seems like a good girl⊠But anyway, youâll see. Those things cannot (and shouldnât) be forced, thatâs for sure.
Youâre right and like you know we discussed before like I need to be more hopeFul romantic not hopeLess romantic. But I donât know why but Iâm still very hopeless about love. On top of that because of this kind of thinking Iâm already feeling like Iâd end up alone and no one would love me with their whole heart if Iâm keep rejecting love like this.
Because tbh I do really like her but I just donât see future in her even though sheâs really good I just donât know whyâŠ
Oh I am sorry about that. I also had some eye issues, and it was very frightening, but I did get better, thankfully. I hope your therapist will get better too.
I hope so. Because with another therapist itâs all from 0 to 1. And more than that Itâs the good relationship you know. Because I want good connection too.
Are you doing those exercises? Are you in touch with her? I mean, is she available at least from time to time? Because self-healing is hard, although not impossible.
Iâm not able to doing those exercises daily tbh. But yes Iâm in touch with her. And just look her dedication she said we can communicate over written letters like the old times. And she wonât even charge me any fees for that. She also believes everything happens for a reason, and this would help her do more writing which she always wanted to do in her teenage years, How would I think about changing a therapist like this?
Self-healing is indeed not easy. But at the end of the day therapists are only like a guide but all the inner work we have to do by ourselves so..
Iâve heard once a great concept, which is that emotional wounds happened in a relationship, and thatâs why we also need a relationship to heal them. A therapeutic relationship primarily. Or we need to have a strong sense of self-compassion, which is like having an inner therapist rather than the inner critic. Unless we have developed a strong inner coach/therapist/good parent figure, emotional healing is hard to do on our own.
So I think it would make sense to try to find another therapist â someone you do have a good rapport with. Unless youâre feeling youâre making progress on your own too?
Thatâs indeed a great concept and I guess Iâm trying to bring that inner therapist/parent figure more. For example. Uncle Iroh or Krishnaji (Lord Krishna). And thatâs why Iâm blaming myself much less than I used to.
Well I do feel like Iâm making a progress but for different perspective I wouldnât mind you telling what do you think my progress so far? Because obviously you continuously contributing a huge part in my healing journey. Because we started communicating long before I even started therapy.
SereneWolfParticipantOla Tee! đ
Itâs totally fine. Iâm really glad to that youâre feeling better. Really happy to hear back from you. I do know that youâre very strong & resilient and I admire that. But I hope you feel even better.
For Job letâs say Iâm still being resilient and applying. There were days when I felt like absolute trash. Because I wasnât seeing any results. And I was worried for financial pressure too. So like finding a job and on top of that financial pressure. Thatâs the only two things that rendered in my head. Made me sick to my stomach. It was even harder to enjoy simple things (Which I normally enjoy) But Itâs getting better.
About relationship. Because of this much pressure I totally made her distant from myself. She did try but I wasnât just in right mental state. Even now Iâm just not thinking about it that much. We rarely talk. I even told her that it’s better that she finds someone more suitable according to her needs. But she said no. So now we’re like a non-committed friends who kiss sometimes.
And Itâs been one and a half month Iâm not seeing my therapist. She got some health issues too. Mostly her eyes and throat. Which is very crucial for online sessions you know. And she did suggest me another therapist but I didnât liked her that much so I stopped. So I talked to her and she said she believes that Iâm more than capable of doing self-healing and Iâm improved much faster rate than she imagined. So told me keep working on some exercises and working on healing my emotional wounds and whenever I need a like a push, sheâll help me.
What about you? How youâve been doing?
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee!
Yay! I’m really glad! I guess long vacation did helped in some ways :D, Where did you travelled if you don’t mind me asking.
Yes that’s right let your eyes rest. No need to say sorry.I’m still being resilient and applying for jobs.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
You did say your heath wasn’t improving. So just wanted to check on you. I hope you’re okay.Get well soon đ
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
sorry for the delay, I am on holidays and spending less time at the computer.
Thatâs fine! I hope youâre enjoying your holidays well đ
Thank you! Although I have to say, these last few days have been rough health-wise, so it was hard to stay optimistic. But then it eventually got better again, and I can keep on keeping onâŠ
I got fever too (2-3 Days) and damn thatâs not easy, and for your health itâs much complex and bigger so I understand, and I admire your strength to keeping on.
I guess when you start working on those attachment wounds and the fear of intimacy and vulnerability. When you heal enough so you wonât feel threatened by being in a relationship. Because right now, you probably fear that youâll lose your freedom, independence, ability to do what you enjoy doing, right?
This? Yes I fear that!
Maybe youâre also afraid of being judged, so you feel you need to perform and meet certain expectations, and canât just be yourself in the relationship?
But I donât think Iâm afraid of being judged anymore in the relationship because nothing is more energy draining than act as per like someoneâs expectations person by person. Thatâs like people pleasing but out of relationship situation I still have some people pleasing tendencies.
But you said your girlfriend isnât really rushing to get married and have children. So it seems she isnât the cause of stress but itâs more like that youâre telling yourself that being in a relationship means needing to settle down and have children within the 2-3 year time span. So itâs more like the false belief and the expectation that you are putting on yourself is what causes you pressure, rather than your girlfriend putting pressure on you, right?
Sheâs not rushing because she knows Iâm not serious like her into this relationship, When we met for our second date, she did mention that sheâs tired and she wants to settle down. Because even she thinks finding love isnât easy at all. She literally sends me cute baby videos on IG time to time! And she also suggested adopting a kitten together when my cat ran away, I may have been taking it the wrong way, but you know what that means right? But yeah these are just my assumptions… But saying indirect âyesâ to those things means taking things next level and going into the pool!
So Iâd say he never gave you the freedom to be yourself â even if he gave you the freedom to move away from home.
Hmm so itâs like for his own ego and comfort?
I donât know if he meant to say that he might have made mistakes in your (and your siblingsâ) upbringing? If he is willing to admit that he might have made mistakes, thatâs already something. Because my mother isnât willing to admit that.
Well like Iâve told you he did said sorry to my grandmother when we had a fight in the past. Not directly to me but still yeah
Haha, you said you were in your late 20s, so I put the highest possible age. But if youâre even younger than that, then my words have an even bigger weight!  Because youâre really young and the entire life is ahead of you.
But you know how days are going? Like a blink of an eye! I feel so nostalgic watching old anime it feels like yesterday when I used to watch those things. Also I do have to mention that I guess Iâm using that to sooth myself from this really fast paced AI world.
Your inner critic used the opportunity to judge you for being lazy and not working on actively defending yourself fromâŠ. the inner critic himself! You see that mechanism?
But but isnât that rational and right? đ
The inner critic uses everything to turn things against you, even my advice on how to get rid of it! So just pay attention to that and notice every time you scold yourself for anything. Because every such scolding is the inner critic in action.
Hmm I guess Iâll have to try more
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If you like the position and it pays well even at the entry level, and it gives you an opportunity for career advancement â then sure, go for it! The only question is â how come the entry level pays more than the manager level somewhere else? Have you checked if this company is legit and there are no scams involved? If they are legit, if thereâs nothing fishy, then Iâd say take it, by all means.
Thanks and Theyâre legal and itâs not a scam, Itâs paying well because they raised lot of funding recently even during this time! So, they have a lot of confidence for their product and I like that. And I even researched for their salary data and theyâre paying Product person 4x higher!
SereneWolfParticipantKon’nichiwa Tee,
How was your weekend?
thatâs the only way⊠if I donât accept the limitations and the hardships, and only focus on the negative, it would be much less bearable. So looking at it with a dose of optimism is the only thing that helps (besides exercise, of course)
Thatâs good! Also thatâs why youâre an awesome wise mentor! đ
Okay, so sheâs one sturdy cat and you feel sheâs doing fine, wherever she isâŠ
Yup.Yeah, she is probably hoping she can turn you around and make you fall in love with her. I did suggest a few posts ago (before you told me about your job loss) to stay in the relationship but work on your fear of commitment. I understand that right now, finding a new job is a priority and youâre only focusing on that. But do you think you would want to work on your fear of commitment some time down the line, or you want to remain an eternal bachelor, so to speak?
Well you do have a point and Iâm doing like a spiral always just running away from commitment like this, and I think now Iâm just using bigger excuse to run away from this. I don’t know when I’ll be emotionally “available.”
But another thing is also that I donât want to settle down so soon I feel like if things go well, like my other friends 2-3 years in relationship and then get married and get kids and then have your family responsibilities. Then Iâd missed out on enjoying my 20âs like adventure travel and etcâŠ
Well yes, because she refuses to admit any fault of her own. Itâs easier to blame other people. Thatâs a hallmark of a toxic personâŠ
Right, I get it now, main thing is that always see otherâs fault but not their own. But few days ago I talked to my father on the call and we talked like an hour (Which is very rare) We were talking about my little brother and how he doesnât listen to him or talk to him rarely, He be like I gave all of you freedom to do anything you want (Which is somewhat right) and during the call he also said that he also could made mistakes and I was like yeah weâre all humans and Then told him not to worry and Iâll talk to my brother
When you say you made some bad choices in the past, I guess youâre talking about dropping out of university and graduating only later? Well, weâve talked about that before: you did it because you wanted to free yourself from your fatherâs and grandfatherâs guilt-tripping and you wanted to be independent. And so you had to work to support yourself. Which lead to the delay in your studies.
Now if you keep blaming yourself for that, youâll never be free. Because you graduating a few years later doesnât mean youâre less capable or less competent. You agreed with me that youâre actually a high achiever and resilient. So please stop telling yourself that old story that youâre a failure and lagging behind. Youâre right on time and you can grab the best opportunity, if you keep a positive self-image and stay optimistic.
Yes I agree but the thing is that I still think I couldâve done better, and I know I may havenât enough mature to make proper decision in past but even though Now Iâm much more capable thereâs still old fear!
Well, youâre 29. Youâll be at the prime of your power for at least the next 20 years. So there will be plenty of opportunities for both career success and for traveling. But I guess when youâre caught in that fear (of making mistakes, or missing out), itâs hard to hear the rational arguments. Because I think your FOMO is a part of your inner critic. So itâs something that youâd need to actively defend yourself against and shut down that voice, because itâs a blind alley.
Iâm freshly 28! Donât make me older please đ and Yeah I agree but this actively defending is seems hard! Is there any more efficient way? Like it happens in background or subconsciously etc? I’m being lazy I know Heck I even have time yet I’m not putting it for right use.. I should do that
I think itâs a smart decision to start applying for a broader range of positions, and then switch after a while to what you really want. As for the job market, I really donât know, it depends on what sector youâre in. If youâre in IT, it shouldnât be that affected, although it seems that new product development might be stalling, due to people not having enough moneyâŠ
Yeah so I have two interviews soon, and one HR was like this is an entry level position I believe youâre too senior for this but still if you want we can discuss further… and I do like this position even though itâs entry level itâs a really good pay even more than manager level pay. So Iâm thinking talking to him like Iâm more interested in this position for growth opportunity later on⊠But if you have better suggestion you can suggest me
SereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
I am a bit better health-wise, so I had a good weekend. I mean, nothing special, but pleasant and mostly pain-free, which is a miracle when it happens.
Iâm glad to know that. I like that you have very grateful perspective towards this.
I am so sorry your new cat ran away Perhaps sheâll come back?
She still didnât. But Iâm not that much worried like a cat before. Because I donât know I have a feeling that sheâll survive.
Okay, so youâre determined not to get married. Have you ever talked about the future and topics like marriage and children? What does she say about you wanting to work remotely and possibly moving to a different city? Do you talk about that?
I mean she already is well aware about my plans for remote working and moving to different cities and because of her profession she canât do it even if she wants to, and for marriage we both decided to not rush and after that I told her no for a love relationship soâŠ
It seems she feels the connection at the moment, as she is comforting you about your job loss and all that. She feels a certain closeness, and I guess thatâs why she doesnât feel that youâre not giving her what she needs. But she did feel it in the past â thatâs why she was tempted to go back to her ex. So I guess right now she feels close to you, because youâre open to receiving her love and support. But once youâll be in a better place and less fragile, she might experience that youâre withdrawing againâŠ
Hmm I guess youâre right but I donât want her to stuck with me for confusing type of love. She deserves something much more and direct, But she still wants to spend time with me because she may have that hope of finding a way to my heart key.. and because of my career now Iâm focused only on that instead of relationship.
Yes, itâs hard to accept that. I too was hoping that my mother would realize that she hurt me and that she didnât give me the kind of love I needed. But she refused to see it. She still believes she was a good mother and I am an ungrateful daughter.
What? She still believes that she was a good mother and it was your fault?? How? Why?
Oh I didnât know there is JOMO too, as opposed to FOMOÂ But yeah, we canât do everything and be at more places at one time. Life is about choices, and we choose one thing at the expense of other. Even if this other thing is also good. But still, we need to make choices and omit certain things, because our time and resources are limited. You also omit a lot during sleep, if you think about it, and yet, you need sleep, because those are your biological limits.
Yes but the thing is that because I made some bad choices in the past now I have fear that I may make bad choices again and everyone says these years of life are golden years so itâs like break it or make it so later on I donât want to regret that I didnât make good choices⊠I guess itâs also one of the reasons for my low self-esteem. You see what I mean?
Are you worried about missing out on travel? Or youâre more worried about being late in your achievements and career success?
Actually both!
 Well, they are very short-sighted and stingy, and you shouldnât be sorry for leaving that company. I hope youâll find some place where theyâll appreciate people like you more, and not take advantage of them and them toss them away
Yes but companies are really scared of slow economy so theyâre putting money first instead of people.
Yeah, I understand that people are rushing to find just anything, because they need the money and the opportunities are shrinking. But if you can afford to wait a little longer, then do it. Donât fall for the fear that you wonât find anything â because you sure will, if it comes to that. But maybe youâll have to be less picky, youâll see about that.
Right so I started to apply for position that also related to Product Management means much broader and more opportunities⊠and after working like 6 months to 1 year I can start applying for the position that are stronger for PM roles because Letâs hope by then job market would be better? What do you think?
SereneWolfParticipantSo they donât want any new development then? Perhaps they believe theyâve got a hit product and they donât need anything new for at least a year or so?
Yes, I did lot of Market research during development for that so for a while they won’t need even new features for this product.
I only wouldnât agree that youâre getting old, but if you have a clear goal in mind (to work remotely and travel as you please), then by all means, go for it.
I mean only reason is the I have clear goal and that’s why I’m confident about it. Lot of my friends are really compromising like just get wherever you want, But I’m really picky about it. They are scaring me more because of all the layoffs and unemployment rates are getting higher.
If youâre short on money, you can still send applications to some of those less appealing places, and once you get the job at a place you like better, you can simply switch. How do you feel about that?
Yes, I did selected some cities where I can stay little longer so I’m applying for Hybrid roles there as well
SereneWolfParticipantOla Tee,
How was your weekend?
I wouldnât know about that. But I guess you should train her how to use the toilette and stuff like that. Iâve never had a pet, so cannot really give advice on thatâŠ
Well actually she ran away yesterday evening âč
So you are sure that you donât want this to grow into something long term, possibly even marriage?
Nope. No marriage
Now, youâd need to chose her. I know itâs really hard for you, due to your attachment issues. But I am just saying â I think it would be a worthy effort to work on your fear of commitment, while in the relationship with her. I think making that effort would actually make sense, and it wouldnât be a waste of time.
So I think this would be my answer to your question:Â So should I stay put and live in the moment while it last or should I do something else?
Work on your fear of commitment, while staying in the relationship. Donât stay in that fear forever, without challenging it. Thatâs my advice.
Well lately I feel like a fraud because sheâs been very supportive with everything thatâs going on and I feel like Iâm using her just for my emotional comfort and physical needs not giving her the love that sheâs craving from me. I literally said this to her on her face because I didnât want any dishonesty, but she was like Iâm just being silly.
Yes, constant criticism and shaming is actually emotional abuse. Itâs actively inflicting a wound on you, telling you how bad and faulty you are. What your mother did was more like emotional neglect, I think, because she tolerated your fatherâs treatment of you and didnât protect you from it. She wasnât actively harming you, but she let your father harm you with his criticism.
Hmm I see I understand now
Maybe this is a silly question but I am not familiar with childrenâs obligations regarding financing their parents and grandparents. So you said earlier that you have a responsibility to give a certain amount to your parents monthly. Is it because they are not that well off, or itâs a custom in India and adult children are obliged to do it regardless?
Well it is more like a custom in India. especially If youâre an older sibling Which I am
As for the fact that you have such a father â youâll have to mourn that, I guess. I am sorry that my mother is like she is, and that weâll never have a close, loving relationship. She is incapable of that. So I gave it up. My relationship with her is very superficial. Itâs sad, but it canât be more than that â if I want to respect myself and not allow her to hurt me.
Yes youâre right and I guess Iâm just not able to easily accept this truth and still hoping that he might change, But we donât know. So I guess thatâs what hard for me
No, you needed their emotional support as a child. It was a crucial need back then and because it wasnât met, it caused damages (which you are trying to rectify and heal now, as an adult). But you donât need their emotional support now. Your well-being and emotional health doesnât depend on it. You can get support elsewhere (in therapy, for example). You can also give yourself the support and validation that you needed from them as a child. In short, you can now become a good parent to yourself.
Yes Iâm trying to be a good parent to myself, Trying to be kinder with myself day to day
So yes, try to have more compassion for yourself, appreciate everything youâve achieved so far and tell yourself that you did a great job. Be Uncle Iroh to yourself, not the heartless drill sergeantâŠ
Yes thatâs what Iâm trying I think being mindful is really helping me a lot, So most of the time when I get negative thoughts my mind tells me not be anxious and worried and appreciate things.
Yes, thatâs one of your major tasks. So now try not to blame yourself for being âlateâ and âbehind scheduleâ. Youâre not late for anything,
Thatâs one of the hardest thing I have to work on I guess, Because Iâm very afraid of getting older and missing out on things, and while meditation I did deep think about this matter like no matter what, we canât do absolutely everything. So just learn JOMO. Joy of missing out. Being present in the moment instead of worrying about future and stuff, Donât compare, Ever one of us have their own unique journey, But not easy at all my rational mind ask me lot of other questions that makes me feel behind
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