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SereneWolfParticipantYia sou Tee,
You’re feeling better? Or at least able to dance? Haha
Iām glad your father is feeling better. It seems youāre upset about him not doing some physical exercises to help with his recovery. Do you express this frustration to him, do you quarrel with him? Or can you let it go?
No, I donāt express frustration to him. But yeah, sometimes I do raise my voice when I canāt bear it. Mostly I just let it go and focus on myself.
But Iām glad it helped you. It seems youāve got a new motivation to apply for jobs and youāre feeling more focused. Yeah, I can imagine if you spend 10 days mostly meditating, with no distractions, your brain is really focused and sharp. Good for you, SereneWolf! I hope you get a job you like ASAP š
Yes, itās better. I want to keep this habit of meditation and mindfulness because sometimes I still get overwhelmed with emotions, and because of that, I procrastinate. This week was quite productive though. Also, Iām using better strategies as well. I started actually applying with another friend. she’s also going through similar things. So it’s kinda like good support as well.
But thatās a distortion, itās not true love. People shouldnāt have children to serve a certain function, but to love them and care for them. Itās unfortunate if the entire culture sees children as a source of pride (but selfish, ego pride, like āmy child has a better job than yoursā) and also a source of income and sustenance in old age. Itās quite utilitarian.
Yes, I agree. The sad thing is itās always the comparison. Thatās why they arenāt happy with what their kids achieved. Theyāll be like, āNo, their kids achieved more, you do that too.ā
Youād need to learn what true parental love is. Itās unconditional. Even if you donāt perform perfectly, the parent loves you. They never withdraw their love, even though they set boundaries on unwanted behavior.
Yes, I want to learn and actually experience unconditional love (not just parental). but do you really think love can be unconditional? or it’s just a myth, Even are there people who can love you unconditionally? Because even blood related people can’t love unconditionally so. Isn’t that too much expectation waiting to be shattered. that’s what I was thinking lately
So the goal would be to learn to love yourself for who you are, not what you can provide for others. Of course, youāre a caring person and you donāt have a problem with giving, but when youāre only loved when you give, when you perform, when you fulfill other peopleās expectations, thatās very crushing for the soul. And it kills self-esteem. So youād need to heal that.
I hope you find a good therapist. By the way, what was the problem with the previous two? You said they were very generic.
Thanks a lot. I had a therapy session a few days ago and I did give the pointers that you mentioned, and she suggested two things. First, have a wallet photo of my childhood self and be kinder to him, or whenever Iām too critical, just look at it so I can know who Iām getting angry at and judging. (I think much earlier you or maybe Anita suggested me this) Also, she told me to write letter, especially to my father. I donāt have to send but put all the frustration and internal hate there and let it out.
This therapist is actually Asian, thatās why she can understand Asian family dynamics better. And no disrespect, but British therapists were too vague and generic, like āthat is wrongā and āblah blah,ā but Iām like, you donāt understandāitās not only my parents, itās literally the norm and culture here. So I donāt want to put effort into changing the whole culture. And then luckily, I found this one when I emailed that I specifically wanted an Asian therapist.
Don’t forget to relax and have fun on the weekend! š
SereneWolfParticipantOla Tee,
I have to shift my attention from that pain (and the entire narrative that it evokes) to something constructive, where I can actually change things, where I donāt need to feel stuck. So thatās been my battle, and I still havenāt won it š
Howās that battle going? Feeling any better?
I guess thatās why he needs to take the antibiotics over the period of 6 months?
Yeah, and now heās doing better, but even though he can, he doesnāt do much physical activity to recover faster. Heās just on the phone all day, which is irritating. Watching short content also has a bad effect on the brain⦠but no, he wonāt understand.
I do hope youāll find a suitable job ASAP. Please try not to lose self-confidence, because youāre a very capable young man. The current situation, with you supporting your family even without being employed, speaks to that. I like what you said here:
*I also know deep down that no matter what, Iāll figure things out if I just get the opportunity.*
Yes, definitely! Youāre very capable, and youāll figure things out. Just donāt start doubting yourself!
Thanks for your encouraging words! But because it was taking a toll on my mental health, I went to Vipassana Meditation Centres (theyāre all over the world) and omg, what an actually serene experience. I went there for a 10-day course ā no electronics, no talking. You have to take noble silence there. You just meditate for 8ā10 hours every single day, with a one-hour discourse in the evening. So good and so eye-opening.
They put a lot of weight on equanimity, and itās based on Buddhaās way of meditation. I think you should check it out. It definitely helped me a lot with many things. My attention span is better, and for the last few days, Iāve been applying for a lot of suitable roles. Letās see.
So he was working for himself and wasnāt paying anything towards his retirement? And hasnāt set anything aside as a savings fund?
Nope. Just the house and food expenses. And when thereās some saving, they spend it on some big thing, like a vehicle or renovation and stuff. So, although from the start, I knew that Iād have to handle and take care of the family financially.
I hear you, because I know it very well ā when the old narrative starts creeping in. Mine is the narrative of hopelessness, yours is of no self-worth. Worthlessness. But itās such a huge, monumental lie, SereneWolf. Itās the old program creeping in, but you know how to switch it off. You can repeat to yourself something like: *I am worthy always, even when I donāt have a job.*
Youāve been raised with the narrative that your worth is measured by how much money you make, right? By how financially successful you are⦠and thatās such a cruel stance.
Yes, I agree. Thatās why I scheduled a counselling meeting for next week. Hopefully this therapist will be good. In the last few months, I booked two therapists but both were very generic, so I didnāt continue.
Something just occurred to me: it could be that parents were saying this to their children because they expected to be taken care of in their old age. If the children arenāt successful, the parents wonāt be properly taken care of. So perhaps this entire culture of measuring a childās worth through material success is based on that selfish premise ā of worrying about their own old age and trying to ensure theyād be properly cared for.
I donāt want to speak badly of your parents, but perhaps the culture in India is a bit cruel towards children in general. You were raised in such a culture, and itās very hard to extricate yourself from that conditioning.
Yes, itās not their fault. Itās generally the culture here. So yeah, itās their old wiring. And not only that, but it makes me think ā their love, is it genuine? Or is it because Iām fulfilling their expectations? Maybe thatās why I have trust issues in relationships, like, why would you love me without a reason? Itās hard to believe in selfless love.
Still, I do hope you find a job soon, and something you like as well. Are you still looking for remote positions exclusively?
Thanks. Yes, remote roles exclusively.
What about bike riding and other activities that you said you love?
Since Iām in another city, I donāt have my bike here, so I canāt do bike rides. But here I do spend more time watching sunsets.
I hope your situation changes soon⦠but you know, perhaps what should change first is the inner situation ā your self-image ā where youāre telling yourself that youāre worthless without a job. If thatās what youāre telling yourself, or are tempted to, please change it. Please rewrite this false narrative. And then perhaps even your outer situation will change all of a sudden.
Wishing you luck and rooting for you, SereneWolf!
Thanks, thatās what Iām trying. Sometimes I just feel so overwhelmed I donāt even know where to start. Especially when it comes to self image I donāt know how to work on it properly.
That reminds me.. since you know my patterns well (honestly more than I do), can you tell me what exact points I should raise with the therapist?
SereneWolfParticipantKon’nichiwa Tee,
How have you been?
How is your father doing? What are the doctors saying (if you donāt mind me asking)
My father is doing okay, though weāve been changing hospitals now and then because sometimes his coughing gets worse. He has TB, but itās now just a six-month prevention course of doses.
Cool! Iām glad you have a positive outlook and arenāt panicking but are sending applications for the type of positions you like the best. I wish you luck!
Thanks but Recently, Iāve been feeling that old sense of losing self-worth without a job. Itās been so many months and thereās still no progress, so many applications, no replies. The stress and self-doubt I was fearing before is starting to build again. On top of that, the financial pressure from hospital bills, family stress, and the loneliness⦠even though I had good savings, itās wearing me down.
Isnāt your father still working? Or if not, isnāt he receiving retirement? Iām a little confused as to you being the only breadwinner?
No, my father isnāt working, and thereās no retirement either since he was in the family business.Cooking is honestly the only thing keeping me sane right now. Iām trying to entertain myself, but I rarely find anything that really clicks.
You can say youāve lost your job because of Trumpās tariffs and AI š But that youāre actively looking for a job at the moment. I donāt think thereās anything embarrassing about that. If the girl has some flexibility, sheāll understandā¦
And yeah, finding someone is actually hard both online and especially here in a small town.
Sorry she ghosted you like that š But I know youāre not too attached to finding someone, and thatās a good thing, specially in cases like this, when the person just stops responding. Who knows what was in her head⦠but anyway, good that it doesnāt affect you too muchā¦
Still, sometimes when I feel lonely I check her profile, but she hasnāt posted in months. It was rare, but I still do it. I know she doesn’t deserve my energy but yeah..I need to think less and do more. As a famous add said āJust do it!ā. Thatās what I need more of ā just do it, donāt overthink it. š
I agree with what you said because I also know deep down that no matter what, Iāll figure things out if I just get the opportunity.
Also, I decided to focus on improving the parts of my life that I am able to improve (such as my career), and not obsess about the things I cannot change, such as my health. So thatās a version on the Serenity prayer: focus on improving what I can change, stop focusing and complaining about the things I cannot change.
Itās such a good reminder thank you for that!
SereneWolfParticipantHola Tee!
Good plans for the weekend?**Sorry to hear you lost your job though š I know you were really happy about it and proud of yourself. And you did deserve it! But it seems the IT sector is nowadays hit hard by the developments in AI. And you say Trump policies as well ā has he imposed tariffs on Indian IT goods as well? Or youāre feeling it more indirectly?**
Yes, both. The job market is quite tough right now. But you know Iām pretty resilient, so Iām trying to network and apply for the roles I like, mostly remote ones.
**Iām glad youāre taking care of yourself and exercising regularly. But it must be hard to financially support your family, even when you donāt have a job. I understand you didnāt want to tell them, and thatās why you need keep paying up. Do you think theyād judge you a lot if they knew you lost your job? Or theyād expect you to find another job ASAP and be āless pickyā?**
Yes, itās hard, but Iām trying not to overthink it so I can focus better on applications with a more relaxed mindset. And yes, they would definitely judge me, on top of the stress of being the only breadwinner not earning now. I donāt want them to feel that pressure. Iād rather take it on myself because I know I can handle it somehow. They wouldnāt understand, theyād panic and think āweāre doomed, what now?ā and that would just make things worse.
**Iām glad youāre managing to rent your own flat and not live with your parents. Because yeah, I know the type of mental exhaustion that goes with that⦠BTW is your fatherās health better now? Last time we spoke you said your grandfather was ill too. How is he now?**
Yes, itās been a week since I moved into a new place. Itās really peaceful here, and since itās a small city itās not expensive. Iām also cooking my own meals, which is soothing for me.. It helps me put more time into being productive. My father was doing better for around two weeks, but then he started having issues again, so he went for a checkup today. And my grandfather passed away exactly a year ago. Those two months were really hard, but yeahā¦
**And so youāre starting another round of travels this Thursday, right? How was the last round of travels? Have you met anyone interesting? š**
It was really good, full of cultural learnings and food. I visited some art and music schools as well. As for meeting people haha, I didnāt really approach much. Maybe because unemployment knocked my confidence a bit. Like, if someone asked me what I do, Iād have to say Iām not working⦠So sometimes when Iām too bored I try online apps, but no luck so far. I did meet a Greek woman online though she had such an impressive personality. She built a successful business without her parents. We had some great conversations for a few days, but then she stopped responding, so I assumed she wasnāt interested anymore. I do miss her sometimes, but oh well⦠And now since Iām living in a small city, chances are even lower.
**I myself am kind of better, not necessarily physically better, but rather, having more mental resilience, I guess. Iām learning to hope, to think more positively, to not fall into depression when things get physically tough. And they do, but then they get better, and itās a roller-coaster. But mentally/emotionally I can regulate myself better. So I guess thatās an achievement. I feel more stable now.**
Yes, even being in a better mental space helps a lot, so thatās definitely an achievement. What kind of habits are you trying to build physical or mental that you think could help even more?
**Today is the first day of my holidays, and Iām looking forward to do some swimming (which should do me good health-wise too). As far as bigger, career-wise projects, theyāre still āin the makingā. But I donāt feel theyāre impossible any more. Still, more focused action is needed if I want to make things happen. So yeah, thatās the next big step for meā¦**
You just gave evidence of how much more resilient youāve become. Iām really happy to see that you donāt feel things are impossible anymore and that youāre hopeful. and I was taking swimming classes too.. it was so much fun!
**I wish you all the best on your next round of travels! And yes, to keep putting one foot in front of the other, never losing hope, never giving up on your dreamsā¦**
Thanks a lot, Tee! You too!
SereneWolfParticipantAloha Tee,
Itās really good to hear from you after so long! Iām sorry you had to go through such a tough period, both physically and mentally.. I can only imagine how frustrating it mustāve been to deal with that sudden deterioration and feeling like nothing was working. Iām glad your knee has been doing a bit better lately and that youāve found a bit of hope again thatās no small thing when youāve been in that kind of headspace.
And honestly, your realization about projecting that āhostile higher powerā feeling onto your mother is huge. That kind of awareness takes a lot of self-reflection. Itās inspiring that you were able to reframe it and see that thereās a more benevolent power out there. I think itās pretty amazing that even with the pain and the fear, you still have hope for the future and are willing to keep taking those steps forward.
Howās your day to day now? Are you able to get out for those short walks more regularly?As for me⦠itās been a bit of a rollercoaster too. I actually lost my job a few months ago the one I really enjoyed. It hit me hard at first, but I can also understand it. With the way things are changing in the industry (thanks to Trumpās policies) so they just focused on profit. Still, itās been tough.. Iāve been applying for jobs since but havenāt had much luck yet. And I havenāt been as productive as I could be, because after sending out so many applications without good results, you start feeling drained. And with AI shaking up the tech sector, plus more competition in remote sustainability roles, Iāve been feeling a bit lost again.
That job had actually boosted my self esteem a lot, and losing it made me realize how much Iād tied my self identity to it. Now Iām back to that feeling of āwhatās going to happen next?ā And yeah, Iāll admit Iām also a bit scared about getting close to 30.
But to keep myself sane I’ve been working out regularly, I started to love my body even more. Journaling sometimes. I have supportive people in my life and even when we weren’t talking but you teaching and words was there so thanks again for that.Travel wise, Iāve already covered a lot of southern Asia. Iām starting again this Thursday. I spent almost 2.5 months in my hometown because my father got sick. Iām glad I got that family time, but it was also mentally heavy. So Iāve decided to live alone again my close friend is nearby, which helps. Without a job, Iām still the only one financially supporting my family, and that part is exhausting too, especially when thereās zero acknowledgment or validation for it. and yeah I didn’t told my family about that I’m not employed.
But I guess, like you said, itās about putting one foot in front of the other and doing it anyway.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Anita,
Yes, itās me. Iām still healing, to be honest some things are taking their time, but Iām getting there. As you already know, Iāve always had a positive outlook, and that hasnāt really changed. I still believe in people, even when itās hard. Time kinda made me a bit more accepting⦠maybe softened me a little more
SereneWolfParticipantDear Tee,
I know youāve been going through some health issues, and I just want to say. I really hope youāre doing alright. And if youāre in any pain, I hope it eases soon. Youāve been such an important part of my healing journey, more than you probably know. I hope you read this one day and it brings a smile to your face. Please take good care of yourself..
SereneWolfParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you so much for your kind and honest message, it truly means a lot. Weāre all warriors in our own ways, navigating storms seen and unseen, carrying hopes, fears, and the weight of expectations. What matters is that we keep learning, growing, and showing up with honesty and care. I appreciate your words deeply, and I hold no hard feelings at all.
SereneWolfParticipantThat’s totally fine. Not in hurry. Just wanted to check in.
Have fun filled holidays.
I’m doing alright. At my hometown.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
I hope you’re in good health?
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Howās your weekend going?Slowmadingā¦. wow, thatās a completely new term to me, needed to look it up. It says: āsomeone who travels slowly ā spending anywhere from 2 to 6 months in the same place. Some slowmads might even spend a whole year with the same home base.ā Okay, got it: first you want to be a nomad, then slowmad š
Iād say first my plan is for slowmadding. Since I would at least be spending one month in the place that I choose. And after that (Probably after marriage) Just settle down in one country.
So you hooked up with someone, after having a lot to drink? Is that what youāre saying? And then your young friend scolded you for that?
No not hookup. Just drinking and dancing. But my young friend scolded me because I joined the stranger group since it wasnāt that ātrustfulā area. Sometimes people get scammed that way.
Although they did drink the alcohol from my money and didnāt even ask. So I guess I did get partially scammed?š But I had fun, But yeah lession learned.I donāt know if you should specially declare it. In the old days, when I was dating š it was somehow understood that you mean seriously if you start dating someone. By seriously I donāt mean that you are planning to tie the knot with the person, but to have a committed relationship with no predefined expiry date. So the intention was to stay together for as long as it feels right⦠and then of course many times the relationship did expire because of various incompatibilities. People did break up. But the intention was to at least in theory have a long-term relationship (at least that was my intention š ).
Old days dating was much simpler than this right? But looking at that it did also mean try again and again until you get the right partner. But when you get into fully committed relationship one after another in case they donāt work out wouldnāt it get hard to move on? And Tiring. Because then it feels like pure luck. It doesnāt matter what you do or what efforts you make.
Thatās why I think youād need to work on your fear of intimacy before you can be ready for a serious relationship (or aĀ potentiallyĀ serious ā because there are no guarantees that things will work out.)
So do you suggest that I should wait even for dating? Iām not dating only for the sex part. I feel like Iām ignoring my physical needs for quite a while. I want to hug, cuddle and hold hands. Iām tired being tough guy who doesnāt needs hugs and kisses and always have to act strong.
Itās not so crucial that youĀ tellĀ her that you mean seriously, but that youĀ knowĀ it within yourself, and then act accordingly. That you arenāt afraid to develop those āstringsā (emotional and physical bond), so that your relationship has āstrings attachedā.
Okay thatās the answer that I was looking for. Thanks for clearing that out. And yeah I think if we say on level 1 to 5 Iām at 2.7 for not being afraid of developing the āstringsā
I think the best is to let things develop organically. If someone is rushing things and suggests marriage on the first or second date, thatās of course suspicious and a red flag. But no woman (emotionally healthy woman) is afraid of a committed guy, who cares about her and is showing interest. Also, someone who listens to and takes into account her needs.
Okay I need to know psychology behind it. Whatās wrong with when someone suggest (or more like mentioning and talking about marriage thatās what you mean right?) 2<sup>nd</sup> LDR started talking about marriage and husband and wife stuff right after like 2 weeks. And then doctor also mentioned marriage I think around a month or so. But yeah, there was more than 2 dates. Heck even in my Senior Highschool days there was this girl. We were mostly spending time together. And she was one year older than me. So I was like 17 years old and she was like 18 years old. And she literally told her parents that she likes me and she wants to marry me and their parents came to my house for engagement proposal. And I wasnāt even at home. And my parents did actually like her too so they didnāt told them no. and then that evening they told me. And they be like itās not you have to get married tomorrow. Just engagement for now and then get married after 2-4 years. I was able to say no right away. I guess I didnāt want to disappoint them. And I canāt even told the girl that I donāt love her. But after like few weeks when they started to discuss engagement dates, I snapped like what the heck am I doing? Iām still studying, Still have to build my career. I canāt do this just because I ālikeā this girl. And dodged that bullet.
So I donāt think you will scare her if you behave as if you mean seriously, relatively soon into the relationship. But I guess your problem is not that youāll scare the woman with being too eager too soon. But ratherĀ youĀ are scared of any kind of commitment (and specially of telling her that you mean seriously), because for you, commitment is tied to many negative things, things you are afraid of.
Maybe you could write down what being in a committed relationship means to you. For example, it might mean the following:
Thatās right and thanks for the examples itās really helpful
ā giving up on my needs ā At this point I donāt see it as a threat because I think now I can express my needs better
ā giving her the right to hurt me ā Working on this
ā giving her the right to control me ā Working on this since I was quite controlling myself
ā being seen as a bad person if I have my own needs ā Relevant in the past but not now
ā being seen as a bad person if I donāt accept her wishes ā Why wouldnāt I compromise a little on some of her wishes? Because the man has to step up (most of the time) for their partnerās wishes. Otherwise how would I be supportive if all I can think is my comfort?
ā being seen as a bad person if I change my mind, – Yup I do think this. Since I believe you have to stick to what you say.
ā being seen as a bad person if I stand up for myself. ā I did this in the past
Does any of the above sound true for you? If so, those would be false beliefs that you would need to dissolve before you can let go of your fear of commitment.
Sorry, I didnāt quite get it: so this friend of yours has a habit of replying late, like 24 hours after you sent the text? And youād like to receive a reply more swiftly and not have such a delay between messages, right?
Yes I donāt like late replies. Depends on the person but yeah.
Well, you always have the option to explain what bothers you and what youād like instead. You do have the option to express your preferences, set boundaries, etc⦠what weāve been talking about recently. This should reduce your fear of feeling helpless and trapped in the relationshipā¦
Yes exactly. In the past If I had to repeat something it would make me angry and then give a silent treatment. But now I think Iām able to express myself little more clearer than before
Okay, itās good that youāve identified one of your key problems: lack of self-esteem and the belief that you are not good enough, which also applies to intimate relationships. The impostor syndrome, where you believe that some women are out of your league and you are surprised that they would even be interested etc.
So youād need to keep working on your self-esteem, on believing that you are an asset, not an a** (similar word to asset, only without the last two letters š ) Ha, this could be even used as an affirmation ā provided that you donāt find it stupid or offensive š
Haha good example. Iām actually thinking about starting affirmations and mirror work. But I donāt know mirror work feels funny but I think Iāll give it a try (again).
Cool! Thatās why youāll be nomading/slowmading for the next 3 yearsā¦
Yes mam
You didnāt feel loved and accepted by your mother when you expressed your protest, your hurt and anger against your father. Now, as an adult, you probably project your mother into your romantic partners, believing that they would be hurt and upset if you expressed your needs. You believe they would react the same as your mother, who felt hurt when you were disobedient and rebellious towards your father.
Yes thatās right
The truth is that if the girl is emotionally mature, she wouldnāt feel offended or threatened by your legitimate needs. Your mother did, but an emotionally healthy person wouldnāt.
Thatās the thing that I need to remember.
Yes, the only option for you was to suppress your ānegativeā emotions (your anger and hurt), and so suppression became your automatic reaction. So now youād need to feel all of your feelings (remember what Henry Cloud said: anger is a signal, not a solution). You donāt want to suppress your signalling system ā because anger might be telling you that your boundaries are being crossed and that you are being violated. So you donāt want to suppress that very important signal.
But you also want to learn how to respond appropriately, without lashing out and exploding with anger. Thatās the task ahead of you: to feel the signal (i.e. feel all your emotions), and then to respond appropriately (in a balanced way).
I donāt lash out that easily. But yeah Thanks for the good reminder from the Henry cloud. Gotta read those signals more.
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Yeah, I am not an expert, but it doesnāt seem to me that youād need to start taking medications. And if you go to a psychiatrist, I think thatās what theyāll suggest because thatās the main tool they have. Iād suggest finding another psychotherapist, if you feel the need for professional help, rather than going to a psychiatristā¦.
Haha you know the Therapist that I had kind of higher my bar so I feel like finding another psychotherapist wouldnāt be that easy. But I can try to have maybe some demo meetings. I looked it up online and thereās like lots specialist for different things. There was also for CPTSD but even my CPTSD isnāt that severe. So what kind of specialist I should find?
When you say short focus span, you mean when focusing on work, right? It occurs to me now that if there are suppressed emotions in your subconscious (your inner child), they always want to come to the surface. And so you need to distract yourself with something pleasurable so you wouldnāt feel those unpleasant emotions. So perhaps ADHD for you is a way to distract yourself, so you wouldnāt feel the unpleasant emotions.
Dopamine is high when we are motivated by a reward. If you feel not good enough, and that nothing youāll achieve will ever be good enough ā then it would make sense that your dopamine is low, because nothing can motivate you. Because every achievement seems futile ā if it can never be good enough. Do you feel something like that? Like, the futility of even trying?
Haha very smart observation. Even psychiatrist wouldn’t be able to say that directly
Yeah, and you can learn how to be polite and kind in your expression, and yet firm. You donāt need to be rude, and yet, you can keep your boundaries. But of course, that needs practiceā¦
Haha yeah, I donāt remember when was the last time someone called me rude. Firm but polite and kind does needs practice.
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Good! You saw right through him ā that appearances are more important to him than the real concern for his father ā and you challenged him on that. And he didnāt know what to say ā which is great! So you did speak up for yourself and refused his attempt to falsely accuse you of being inconsiderate/lacking empathy for your grandfather. Well done, SereneWolf!
Iām gradually able to see my positive progress now. That’s because of you. So thanks a lot Tee you’re like my guiding start!
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
thanks, yes, my knee is getting better, things are manageable again, and I am really grateful. (praying hands emoji š)
Thatās good! Iām happy to know that. š
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Cool! Wow, there will be a lot of traveling then. And all while you are working fully remotely, right?
Yes. At least for few years. I’m guessing around 3 years and maybe after that something like Slowmading. But I believe slowmading would be better with a good partner. or if I’m already satisfied than just settle down in a good country that we like.
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People usually go on a self-discovery journey when they donāt know what they want in life, what their values are, what is really important to them, what path forward to take⦠If there is a major confusion about themselves and what they want from life. Do you feel you are in the similar position? Or you actually want toĀ live your valuesĀ ā which you already know what they are: freedom, adventure, enjoying Mother Nature, being one with the universe?
I believe itād be more like living my values. And I think Iāll explore myself more while travelling and know my values on a deeper level.
So perhaps this is not a self-discovery journey for you, but a self-affirming journey? Affirming your True Self, and living from it?
Yes I think so.
In any case, if you want to live from from your True Self, I guess it would make sense to also work on removing obstacles on being your True Self in intimate relationships. Because thatās where the fear kicks in. Not in the jungle, in a close encounter with a lion, or on an unknown road, miles away from home⦠but in intimate relationships, with someone who should be so close and so familiar, and yet, they represent a threatā¦
Youāre right indeed. Physically Iām not that scared. On a recent trip I just blindly follow group of friends because they approached me. But later on, at night lot of drinking and dancing happened. I did have some fun. But I know next time Iāll be more aware, my little friend scolded me for that a lot haha
Well, if you donāt sabotage the relationship (due to fear) but really give it a try, and then it turns out you two are not a good match, then of course, you donāt need to stay with her. You donāt need to force yourself to be with someone who isnāt your match.
And then gather energy to try again finding a new match? How?
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I think it depends on your intention ā whether you only wanted to fool around with the girl, or you had serious intentions but things didnāt work out. When I say āserious intentionsā, I mean you want a committed relationship, you are not afraid of it. I donāt mean you need to marry the girl, but youād need to be willing to be in a long-term, committed relationship.
If you havenāt healed your fear of intimacy, then I think you per definition canāt have āserious intentionsā. And if you get involved with a girl, it would be primarily for fun and some short-term pleasure, in which case I think it could be called casual sex, yes.
Okay tell me after how long time normally I should tell her? Because we canāt tell someone directly that are you ready for the serious relationship? Thereās a certain amount of time needs to be spent together. Iām asking how much time and after that asking for a serious thing is appropriate? Because I think being in hurry for that would even scare the good woman.
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Yes, and this is a great insight: that you associate being attached to someone with giving them to right to hurt you. Thatās a false belief, and probably one of your core false beliefs. Great job detecting it! š
Thanks! Learning from you haha
Again, a great observation: that trust is needed to counter the fear. But also, you need one more thing: you need to be able to protect your own heart ā should you need it. So you donāt give a free reign to your partner to hurt you. If you notice some hurtful behaviors on her part, you react, you let her know, you express that you donāt like it. You set some boundaries.
I totally agree! Thatās the part Iām kinda working and again speaking up matters in that as well. Doesnāt matter friendship or romantic relationship. I was talking to one my friend and then she be like donāt you miss me why you being left me on seen messages. And I simply told her that I have texting manners and I simply donāt like reply 2 text every 24 hours. Thatās not how conversation works for me. I donāt mind if youāre busy and donāt talk itās okay for me. But if you do want to talk have some texting manners first. I guess I did build a boundary there?
But good thing is that she understood. But I guess in romantic relationship I’d have the fear like what if she doesn’t understand that and take it wrong entirely?
In other words, you are not helpless in a relationship. You can protect yourself āĀ should you need it.Ā But you enter the relationship trusting that the person has good intentions and doesnāt want to hurt you.
Of course, you donāt enter a relationship blindly, you do use your discernment (like you did now, with this latest girl). But you also trust, if things feel right. You are not so guarded that at the first sign of disagreement, you pull up your walls and go into a defense mode.
So you need a fine balance: to have discernment, but also to trust. And then if there are problems, you talk about it, you express your needs and concerns, rather than suppressing it and pretending that things are fine.
Yes thatās what Iāll try to do. I think Iām being more self-aware about it
If you do that, I think your fear will lessen. Because you 1) trust the girl that she doesnāt want to hurt you, and 2) trustĀ yourselfĀ that youāll be able to protect yourself should you need it. Which means that by staying in the relationship, you are not giving her permission to hurt you. So the control stays in your hands ā because you can protect yourself from hurt if needed.
I think thatās my biggest priority as of now. Believing in myself. My self-worth. My self-esteem. Because that would help me try to change these some deeper beliefs that I need to change. It would help also protect myself when I need it and almost every areas in my life. And it would also help in the self-love that I really need. Iām finding ways to increase the self worth. Because whatās happening is sometimes Iām also not even approaching the woman that Iām getting the good vibes from and that’s mainly because self-esteem.
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Yes, maybe her advice contributed to you playing games. But I guess your fear played a role too ā you didnāt want to give an impression that you care too muchā¦
Haha yeah thatās also true
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So she is helping you stay in touch with the adventurous kid in you, who used to encounter lions while riding his bike, huh? š
Haha yes. But the thing even from my older friends circle I think Iām the most adventurous and rebel kid
I think so, yes. But itās a good feature ā to not rush into things. If itās meant to be, it will be, without rushing it.
Thatās what Iām trying.
Yes! That requires vulnerability too, and it didnāt occur to me until recently. That vulnerability is not only to admit that you like or care about somebody, but also that something they do bothers you, that you are hurt or upset about it.
Yup hard for me because I don’t like making them feeling discomforted because of me. Even though I’m hurt. But I’m trying
The Courage to be disliked. I like the title. Yeah, you might fear expressing yourself in front of various audiences, not necessarily only in romantic relationships. I remember you said you sometimes feel strong anger when talking to some judgmental people, but you donāt dare to say anything. You donāt dare to express your opinion, for fear of being judged. Or disliked. So yes, we need courage in those situations to still express our opinion, even if someone might not like it.
Yes thatās right and Iām already enjoying the Good Vibes Good Life an even in that itās mentioned about expressing about one self.
Yeah, when we name our emotions, we use our rational brain, which enables us to observe ourselves and not get ālostā in the emotion. Not get overwhelmed. In that sense, naming our emotions helps us to remain cool-headed and not get hijacked by our emotions. It not only gives us clarity, but I think itās also good for emotion regulation.
Yes I think Iām getting better at emotional regulation but itās journey since I didnāt learn how to emotionally regulate myself since childhood
So that would suggest pretty low likelihood of C-PTSD. I mean, pretty mild symptoms, right?
Oui madam, Thatās why Iām thinking visiting a psychiatrist once, But my sister was like what if they make you start meds even with little to no symptoms. Because obviously itās business for them. But those meds can have side effects.
What are those symptoms?
I donāt really know much about ADHD, but there is a video by Gabor Mate, a trauma and addiction expert, who talks about ADHD being more a developmental problem than a medical/genetic problem. It might have to do with impulse control and emotion regulation.
The title of the video, if you are interested, is:Ā ADHD: The Misunderstood Condition (Eye-opening Insights on ADHD from Dr. Gabor Mate)
Actually, Gabor Mate talks about tuning out, as a coping mechanism for too much stress in childhood. When the child cannot either fight or flee, and the emotions are overwhelming, and there is no one to soothe/calm him down. And so the child tunes out and dissociates from their emotions.
And I think rationalization too can be a way to not feel, i.e. to dissociate. Because when we are thinking, our rational mind is active, and we are not in our limbic/feeling brain. So I imagine it can be a way to feel less.
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One of the main symptoms for me is the very short focus span and low dopamine. He says about impulse regulation I think for me that part is good enough. But yeah tuning out is something more resonating like how I was ignoring my emotions for so long you know. and like you mentioned weāre not our limbic brain during that time
Yeah, because you were not allowed to feel your spontaneous emotions, specially anger and sadness. You needed to behave and be a good boy. So your automatic reaction is to try to suppress the unpleasant emotion ā rather than let it out and show it.
Thatās how you lost a part of your authenticity too ā I mean authenticity in relationships. Because you always need to be on guard and kind of monitor yourself to show a āproperā emotion, i.e. not to let out anything āimproperā, right?
Totally agree! I always tried being a āgood boyā but no more of that sh*t!
Iām trynna be more authentic even if I have to be bluntĀ
Yeah, itās like the emotion needs to be acceptable to others, otherwise you donāt show it, and you perhaps try not to even feel it? For example, since your parents didnāt approve of your anger, youāve learned to rationalize that it doesnāt make sense to feel angry, right? And why you shouldnāt feel angry in a particular situation. And I guess as you are trying to come up with the reasons why you shouldnāt feel angry, you start feeling the emotion less, i.e. dissociating from it.
Yeah! Like I would think whatās the point if thereās no result from my anger so I just suppressed my anger for so long
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Yes, thatās a good advice. To feel it, not immediately try to suppress it and rationalize it. Allow yourself to feel it ā you are not a bad person for it.
So give yourself the permission to feel all your feelings, without judging them. Of course, you will still know how to control yourself in public, because you donāt want to overreact and make a scene. But you can acknowledge your emotions and later journal about them. Give them space, let them flow, because they are a part of your authentic self.
Actually thatās hard for me because my immediate go to is like Calm down and supress. Doesnāt matter public or person. Iām trying to speak up more though. Like recently again I raised my voice at my father. So Iām back to my hometown because my grandpa is very sick. But I was travelling and it was more than 2 days journey back to home. Even my sister said heās sick but no need to be in rush. But my father was like what people and relatives would say that your grandpa is sick and you were not with him? And directly I told him that are you worried about what people what say or worried about Grandpa. Silence again.
SereneWolfParticipantI’d like add to feeling my emotions, I’ve been rationalizing a lot, Like Ā a tendency to disassociate myself a lot, whether through daydreaming or activities. So, I rationalize so much that I reach a point where I don’t know if my own rationalization is a way for me to disassociate too. And also, I have to try to understand much more how I have to feel, than what I’m feeling, because I don’t know what I’m feeling, so any conclusion of “which feelings makes more sense at this moment” would be my feeling right now.
And like when I was in therapy she told me something similar like you said she mentioned that this kind of existential crisis that happens is a form of rationalizing ā of having to make sense and rationalize my emotions by relating it to others– as opposed to when you cry because you’re sad or you’re laughing even when things are scary. she told me to feel my emotions when they come, and to not repress myself when I’m feeling upset because “it is better to feel yourself now than build unhealthy mechanisms and hurt yourself and others in the future” and I repressed myself for many many years as you know
SereneWolfParticipantSalute Tee,
I hope your health is getting better?
Does it mean youāre planning your trips and explorations outside of India as well? Or the bucket list includes India only, and then you plan to settle somewhere abroad?
Obviously bucket list includes the Worldwide places. Mainly Europe and Southeast Asia though. Some South America and few places in USA.
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What you are describing is a very beautiful idea: to find your true self on your travels, and be one with mother nature and the universe. And if in that state of Being, you find someone who clicks with you and can Be (herself) alongside of you, thatās what youāre actually hoping for, right?
I just want to juxtapose this idealistic, romantic view with the idea of casual sex and āsee ya senoritaā, which you mentioned as a preferred approach during your travels. You cannot meet āthe oneā ā who might be written for you in the stars ā if you engage in casual sex with random girls you meet on your travels. You also cannot meet āthe oneā while in deadly fear of intimacy.
So you would have to choose which path to take. The path of trust (in the universe, to bring you closer to āthe oneā), or the path of fear, where you opt for casual sex and no strings attached.
Yes like I said intentions matters. And Iām not travelling just for casual sex. But let me give you an example what I mean, Like if I met some girl during my journey we hit it off at first, We kinda start dating and explore places together might even physically involved. But after sometime Iād find out that Iām still not feeling that connection & warmth with her as Iād like in a relationship even If I donāt let my fear of intimacy come in between. In that case what Iād do? Force the connection? Or just appreciate moments with her and move on?
and In that case physical involvement would described as casual sex? Again, Itās not a need but I noticed that these things happens in the moment. Because it happened with me in the past.In fact, when you meet āthe oneā, youāll want to be attached to her with as many strings as possible, and for as long as possible⦠so actually, to be attached and bonded to the right person is a good and beneficial state of Being. It is called true love. But it cannot happen if you are afraid of those āstringsā, i.e. of attachment to someone who deserves your love.
Yes thatās what Iām thinking! Like I believe she will make attached to her yet it would feel so natural. It wouldnāt feel like Iām giving her the control to hurt. But more like hereās my lil heart I trust you to take care of it and there would be no fear. Just thinking about making me go full of joy haha
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In this case, your being on guard was justified because you saw the behaviors you donāt like (some of what you mentioned is: childish, angry, drinking, smoking, sending confusing vibes). So there was a reason to be on guard and not follow your emotions, even if she seemed exciting and mysterious at first.
So thatās cool that you didnāt throw away your rational mind but included it in the decision making. Because we need both the heart and the mind when deciding about important matters, including matters of the heart.
Thanks, and Iām not regretting it. Because I want to be around the woman who make me feel like yeah good woman do exist.
Although itās same for woman though, I keep hearing from my female friends that there hardly good man left on earth lolWhat I was warning you about is not to stuff down your emotions in general, even if you meet a girl that you like and whose behavior doesnāt raise red flags. When things are fine, and she seems fine, but then the fear in you awakens, and you start pretending like you donāt care.
I remember that with the doctor, you failed to write to her during your entire stay at your parentsā place, which was for more than a week, if I remember well? She was upset about it, and Iād say rightfully ā because you were officially in a relationship.
I donāt know what you felt about her, but if you failed to write because you didnāt want to seem needy and like you cared too much ā thatās a defense mechanism. Thatās when your avoidance stems not from proper discernment, but from fear.
So I just wanted to make that difference.
Yeah youāre right about that that was my mistake and I guess at that time I unconsciously just played around relationship game listening to one of my female friend. But I wonāt make that mistake again. Clear communication is very important in every relationship. Romantic or Friendship. But to update you on that one nowadays I reduced my communication with friends a lot. And I only talk to one of my female friends who is quite younger than me so it kind of also helps because she make me remember my teenage days and what silly and fun things we used to do.
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Yes, you can allow yourself to feel, but you also donāt need to switch off your rational mind. Like, you are not completely swept off your feet that you throw away all common sense through the window. But I guess there is a little probability for the latter, since being careful, rational and on guard is your default āsettingā š
Haha thatās what you think for my current āsettingā? But yeah something similar I guess
So I am encouraging you to keep using your common sense, also when it comes to romantic relationships. But also not to give in to fear if there is no real objection to the girl, but you suddenly start feeling trapped and you want out. Because thatās the fear speaking, not common sense.
Also, I think it would be important to express if something is bothering you about the girl. For example, if she is always late, you can say āI donāt like that you are always late. Iād appreciate if you arrived on time.ā
Yes exactly instead just being angry or using the silent treatment. Like I need to express whatās really bothering me.
Because if I understood you correctly, you have difficulty with expressing when something bothers you. You rather take it a danger signal and start withdrawing immediately, and shutting down vulnerability (as a part of your fearful avoidant attachment), rather than talking to the girl and expressing what is bothering you.
Because she might not be doing it on purpose, but because she isnāt aware that it bothers you. And she would be willing to change that behavior if she knew it bothers you.
But if you donāt say anything but start feeling resentful, you sort of circumvent vulnerability, because admitting that something bothers us is vulnerable. Because we might be rejected or ridiculed or told that we are too sensitive. We might be accused to being weak if we admit that something bothers us.
Something very important! So does that mean even though I feel like I donāt need that person, Unconsciously just the fear of rejection or want for the acceptance makes me stop being vulnerable?
I actually stumbled upon a book because of the YT called Courage to be disliked itās already on my reading list.
So I guess expressing our boundaries makes us vulnerable in a way. But itās a must for communicating clearly and remaining emotionally intimate ā remaining both true to ourselves (authentic)Ā andĀ open towards the other person.
So we donāt betray ourselves (and our needs), but we also donāt withdraw from the person. We express what we need. Thatās how emotional intimacy is maintained.
Definitely and that balance is something Iām struggling with
So I guess a part of the exercise of allowing yourself to feel your emotions, is not only allowing yourself to feel excitement about a girl, but also to feel angry and hurt about something that she is doing, that you donāt like.
Agree and those bad emotions what I was trying to reject but it was there
You donāt suppress your anger and pretend itās not there (because thatās what you were doing in your first LDR), but you express what is bothering you. And then if you see they keep doing it again and again, with no regard for your feelings, and itās something that is important to you, you may want to consider whether you want to be with that girl or not.
Understood.
So in general, allowing yourself to feelĀ allĀ emotions, not stuffing them down, is the way to go (of course, you donāt need to show your raw emotions to everyone. But feel them and acknowledge them ā for yourself).
BTW feeling all emotions is the way to decide what we want. Without being in touch with our emotions we cannot make good decisions.
That was even scientifically proven by a neuroscientist Antonio Damasio. He discovered that in patients who had a specific brain injury, due to which their neocortex wasnāt receiving signals from their limbic and reptilian brains (our emotional brain), the person lost interpersonal skills, the ability to read social cues, as well as the ability to make decisions. Which means that we need emotions to know what is good and bad for us ā we cannot rely only on our rational mind.
That’s very interesting and I think thatās also has to do something with naming our emotions? Because lot of times I would be feeling lot of different things at the same time so journaling and naming and then acknowledging those emotions?
If you go to youtube and search for āCrappy Childhood Fairy Daily Practiceā, youāll get several useful videos, including the one titled āFREE Course: The āDaily Practiceā for Healing Childhood PTSD and CPTSDā. In the description of that video is the link to the free āDaily Practiceā course. Which is basically the way to journal about your emotions. You write about things that you are afraid of and things that you are resentful about. So basically you journal about your fear and anger. And lots of good stuff comes out of it š
Thanks for sharing! I checked it out and I think I did try that before as well but I didnāt sticked to this habit. Now Iāll try to. And it does work very well I remember that. I also took an online CPTSD test again and the score is 38/80
0-32 = None-low
33-80 = Likelihood of CPTSD
also checked again for ADHD test. It says Mild ADHD but I feel some of ADHD symptoms are quite bothersomeAnd because of that Iām thinking about starting Bullet Journaling
BTW I hope I am not burdening you with these ātractatesā (because I see this ended up being a looong post again). I sometimes tend to go overboard in trying to explain my point š Anyway, let me know if I should cut down a little š
Itās fine as long as youāre okay with it. Just take care of your eyes and back too haha
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Oh wow, congratulations! Iāve checked the Statue of Unity (didnāt even know about it), and oh my, itās 182 m high, which is almost double the height of Statue of Liberty! Must admit, itās not that beautiful :), but it is impressive, for sure. How did you cope with the high temperatures that were measured in India recently?
Yup itās not that awesomely beautiful statue. But that man helped the India how it is now otherwise it would like Europe now. So many countries. Sardar Patel made all the small and medium size to big states sign the treaty to join India. Thatās why itās called statue of Unity.
It’s starting of the Monsoon season here, and actually because of the heat I decided to move to a city with a better weather. (Iām already in train as Iām writing this)
Thanks, my back is now behaving a little better fortunately, so itās the knee that is giving me the most trouble. I hope itās temporary and not some big setback.
Ah I hope so too. Try to have more calcium rich food it may work.
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Does it mean youāll be living like a digital nomad, working remotely from various places, not having a fixed address? And for how long are you planning that?
Yes. Iām planning to live as a Digital nomad as least for 2-3 years. Until I finish my travel bucket list. After that Iāll decide where I want to stay. Like good and peaceful place for a family to grow. As of now India doesnāt seem like it for long term.
So is that what you have in mind for your next phase? Or how exactly do you envision your love life in the next phase?
Thatās a hard question to answer. And you may still think that Iām being too much hopeful. But I think love of my life will just come. If itās written in my destiny she isnāt going anywhere. Weāll meet when the time is right. So, I donāt have like a foolproof plan for how to find love during my travel journey. But just a hope that itāll happen.
During the journey my work wouldnāt be finding love, but try to find my own self. Enjoy the mother nature. Be in the present and know that Iām part of this big ever-changing universe.I also know that during my journey Iāll also meet lot of people and Iāll create lot of connections. So who knows it could be one of them? Only time will tell.
Well, if you didnāt miss her, why were you angry that she is playing games with you and sending you confusing vibes?
Because she said stuff like that and then acted like nothing happened.
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This doesnāt sound like you didnāt really care about her. It sounds like you care, and you are hurt and angry that she is playing hot and cold. But you pretended not to care, by replying sarcastically: āwell, whoās stopping you to contact me?ā You didnāt express your vulnerability (e.g. you didnāt say āI miss you tooā), or your upset, by you pretended not to care whether she writes or not.
Yes because like I said Iām being logical and seeing the end result here? Why should I put energy into those things If I donāt want go deeper into that relationship? I donāt even like her that much.
Thatās why I asked you to be honest with yourself. To acknowledge your feelings ā not necessarily to her, but to yourself. To acknowledge that she did stir interest in you, that she does seem mysterious and exciting in a way, and that it doesnāt feel good when she is playing games with you and playing with your feelings. But also, that you donāt like her drinking and smoking and I donāt know what else you object to.
Okay youāre right about this. I kept shutting up myself like shut up sheās not your type so donāt hype up about her, donāt think about her. Donāt get excited. But yeah, reality is she did stir interest in me a lot At first. Now that interest is faded. After knowing she keeps repeating her mistakes. Sheās quite childish and angry and no improvement in her even after years of therapy. And itās not just about her in this. But Iām being selfish here. Why should I put time and energy for this? Sheās older than me. She knows whatās right and wrong. Iāll just let her be. Because if Iām in her or not it wouldnāt make much difference.
Perhaps write it all down: everything you feel about her. Like in that exercise by Anna Runkle (youtube channel āCrappy Childhood Fairyā, her āDaily practiceā exercise).
So what I am suggesting is to be more honest with yourself about how youāre feeling. Donāt share those emotions with her ā donāt show your vulnerability to her ā because she might not deserve it. But be honest withĀ yourself, allow yourself to feel those emotions, donāt stuff them down immediately.
Youāve been stuffing down your emotions for so long, and now itās time to let them flow ā to feel them. I think you now have the capacity to let them flow through you and not be overwhelmed. Youāve grown a lot in the recent years and developed that capacity.
Remember, you are allowed to feel those feelings, and you donāt need to hide them, because neither your mother or your father are watching you. You can feel whatever you feel, and thatās okay.
And as I said, you can start writing down your feelings, to make them more contained and less all over the place. Itās something you do only for yourself, for your own healing.
Thanks, youāre right this is something also I really need to work on. When something like this happens, I just deny my feelings, Like what? This canāt be me. So I should be more honest with myself and accept that itās okay to simply allow those human emotions. Itās normal.
I think there should be some good journaling course. Because there are times when Iām able to write down what Iām feeling but sometimes if Iām overwhelmed with lot of emotions at once itās not easy to put it on paper.
And no I wonāt be vulnerable with her. Like you said because I feel like she doesnāt deserve it.
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