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Participant“He who fears he will suffer, already suffers because he fears.” – Michel De Montaigne
F.E.A.R – False Evidence Appearing Real
Nothing like living the fear of tomorrow today.
Sometimes I wonder if the real fear is that we might miss out on the opportunity to worry, so just in case, we imagine a future of suffering just to worry about it now, you know in case it doesn’t happen.
“A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.” — George Bernhard Shaw – “Experiments are necessary for the experiences that create growth and new opportunities.”
“THE FOUR HEAVENLY FOUNTAINS
Laugh, I tell you
And you will turn back
The hands of time.Smile, I tell you
And you will reflect
The face of the divine.Sing, I tell you
And all the angels will sing with you!Cry, I tell you
And the reflections found in your pool of tears –
Will remind you of the lessons of today and yesterday
To guide you through the fears of tomorrow.”
― Suzy KassemPeter
ParticipantHi Rainbow – Perhaps the name chose you – your authentic self ‘knowing’ the you will persevere. It may rain however after a good rain the sun comes out.
My thoughts are that the word ‘God’ is a construct of language and ego consciousness that allows us to communicate our experiences of the idea of ‘God’. In most wisdom traditions there is a school of thought that anything one might say about G_d must also be unsaid. Sadly, most people forget that tradition. “The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao”.
Thus, God does not exist and He/She is everywhere. (That is not a paradox)
Its when God is viewed as an alien supernatural being, that abides somewhere out there… watching, demanding obedience, punishing, rewarding… That we get ourselves into so much trouble.
Peter
ParticipantHi Rainbow – (“Rainbows bring the promise that the troubles of today will surely come to pass, hold strong in your faith and vision and the rainbow will bring fresh beginnings and new prosperity” – what lead you to choosing the name?)
Thought you might find the following interesting. Its about how creating intentions can work against us. The trick it seems is learning to ‘Do by not Doing’
The moment you set your foot on the path of liberation, you are apt to find that all your karmic creditors will come to your door. And that’s why it’s often said that people who start out on a serious work of yoga suddenly get sick and lose their money and their best friends drop dead and all kind of ghastly things happen. That’s because they served notice that they were going to do this […] Even if you serve notice privately on yourself that suddenly you’re going to drop it all, already the Devil knows–because who do you think the Devil is? ( We are our own devil – So we work for that which no work is required) – Alan Watts
The following is the full explanation by Alan
“It is generally believed in India that when a person sets out on the way of liberation, his first problem is to become free from his past karma. The word karma literally means ‘action’ or ‘doing’ in Sanskrit, so that when we say something that happens to you is your karma, it is like saying in English, ‘it is your own doing.’
In popular Indian belief, karma is a sort of built-in moral law or a law of retribution, such that all the bad things and all the good things you do have consequences that you have to inherit. So long as karmic energy remains stored up, you have to work it out, and what the sage endeavors to do is a kind of action, which in Sanskrit is called nishkama karma. Nishkama means ‘without passion’ or ‘without attachment,’ and karma means ‘action.’ So, whatever action he does, he renounces the fruits of the action, so that he acts in a way that does not generate future karma. Future karma continues you in the wheel of becoming, samsara, the ’round,’ and keeps you being reincarnated.
Now, when you start to get out of the chain of karma, all the creditors that you have start presenting themselves for payment. In other words, a person who begins to study yoga may feel that he will suddenly get sick or that his children will die, or that he will lose his money, or that all sorts of catastrophes will occur because the karmic debt is being cleared up. There is no hurry to be ‘cleared up’ if you’re just living along like anybody, but if you embark on the spiritual life, a certain hurry occurs. Therefore, since this is known, it is rather discouraging to start these things.
The Christian way of saying the same thing is that if you plan to change your life (shall we say to turn over a new leaf?) you mustn’t let the devil know, because he will oppose you with all his might if he suddenly discovers that you’re going to escape from his power. So, for example, if you have a bad habit, such as drinking too much, and you make a New Year’s resolution that during this coming year you will stop drinking, that is a very dangerous thing to do. The devil will immediately know about it, and he will confront you with the prospect of 365 drink-less days. That will be awful, just overwhelming, and you won’t be able to make much more than three days on the wagon. So, in that case, you compromise with the devil and say, ‘Just today I’m not going to drink, you see, but tomorrow maybe we’ll go back.’ Then, when tomorrow comes, you say, ‘Oh, just another day, let’s try, that’s all.’ And the next day, you say, ‘Oh, one more day won’t make much difference.’ So, you only do it for the moment, and you don’t let the devil know that you have a secret intention of going on day after day after day after day.
Of course, there’s something still better than that, and that is not to let the devil know anything. That means, of course, not to let yourself know. One of the many meanings of that saying ‘Let not your left hand know what your right hand doeth’ is just this. That is why, in Zen discipline, a great deal of it centers around acting without premeditation. As those of you know who read Eugen Herrigel’s book Zen in the Art of Archery, it was necessary to release the bowstring without first saying ‘Now.’
There’s a wonderful story you may have also read by a German writer, Van Kleist, about a boxing match with a bear. The man can never defeat this bear because the bear always knows his plans in advance and is ready to deal with any situation. The only way to get through to the bear would be to hit the bear without having first intended to do so. That would catch him. So, this is one of the great problems in the spiritual life, or whatever you want to call it: to be able to have intention and to act simultaneously – this means you escape karma and the devil.
So, you might say that the Taoist is exemplary in this respect: that this is getting free from karma without making any previous announcement. Supposing we have a train and we want to unload the train of its freight cars. You can go to the back end and unload them one by one and shunt them into the siding, but the simplest of all ways is to uncouple between the engine and the first car, and that gets rid of the whole bunch at once. It is in that sort of way that the Taoist gets rid of karma without challenging it, and so it has the reputation of being the easy way. There are all kinds of yogas and ways for people who want to be difficult. One of the great gambits of a man like Gurdjieff was to make it all seem as difficult as possible, because that challenged the vanity of his students.
If some teacher or some guru says, ‘Really, this isn’t difficult at all – it’s perfectly easy,’ some people will say, ‘Oh, he’s not really the real thing. We want something tough and difficult.’ When we see somebody who starts out by giving you a discipline that’s very weird and rigid, people think, ‘Now there is the thing. That man means business.’ So they flatter themselves by thinking that by going to such a guy they are serious students, whereas the other people are only dabblers, and so on. All right, if you have to do it that way, that’s the way you have to do it. But the Taoist is the kind of person who shows you the shortcut, and shows you how to do it by intelligence rather than effort, because that’s what it is. Taoism is, in that sense, what everybody is looking for, the easy way in, the shortcut, using cleverness instead of muscle.
So, the question naturally arises, ‘Isn’t it cheating?’ When, in any game, somebody really starts using his intelligence, he will very likely be accused of cheating; and to draw the line between skill and cheating is a very difficult thing to do. The inferior intelligence will always accuse a superior intelligence of cheating; that is its way of saving face. ‘You beat me by means that weren’t fair. We were originally having a contest to find out who had the strongest muscles. And you know we were pushing against it like this, and this would prove who had the strongest muscles. But then you introduced some gimmick into it, some judo trick or something like that, and you’re not playing fair.’ So, in the whole domain of ways of liberation, there are routes for the stupid people and routes for the intelligent people, and the latter are faster.
This was perfectly clearly explained by Hui-neng, the sixth patriarch of Zen in China, in his Platform Sutra, where he said, ‘The difference between the gradual school and the sudden school is that although they both arrive at the same point, the gradual is for slow-witted people and the sudden is for fast-witted people.’ In other words, can you find a way that sees into your own nature – that sees into the Tao immediately.” ~Alan Watts..
Peter
ParticipantLosing hope is not always ‘bad’. Hope is a skill that many people practice badly. Losing hope is often a step needed in order to ‘let go’ and enter into the flow of Life, opening the doors to the very things we didn’t know we were hoping for.
I always thought that the rule was be kind and you will receive the same in return in some form
The golden rule – do not do unto others as you would not have then do unto you. The Law of Karma (Action – Cause and Effect) or actions are influenced by causes and at the same time create effects which create causes….. The law of forgiveness: Forgive us our failures as we forgive those that fail us – as we judge we are judged – by our own hearts – we see in others what is also within us, a shadow we do not always recognize. The Law of Love: Love your neighbor as your self – not so much a law as a reality that our ability to love others is very much connected to how we love ourselves. The law of attraction – like attracts like.
So confusing, no wonder relationships can be so difficult . The key to all the above requires that one must know them selves. The challenge is that we are not always fully awake to our ‘real’ intentions and Life/Love demands growth.
Why do you fall into the caretaker role? What are the payoffs for you? What could taking on a caretaker role attract? What does being a caretaker say about how you Love yourself and desire to be Loved?
Being a caretaker can be a wonderful path to follow when we also have strong and loving boundaries. Our greatest gifts and strengths can also be our greatest weakness. Taking time to create space to know yourself could be the first step on the path in attracting the Love that you really hope for.
“We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us.”
“If you do follow your bliss you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. Follow your bliss and don’t be afraid, and doors will open where you didn’t know they were going to be.” ― Joseph Campbell
March 24, 2018 at 9:12 am in reply to: I know I have to let go, but I struggling with it, it is out of anger #199229Peter
ParticipantWhy cant i let go, why cant i forget, why cant i forgive?
We can’t let go when we attach our sense of self with our memories and emotions. Instead of feeling our emotions we become our emotions. To let go would then be letting go of our sense of self which feels like dying and so we grasp and cling and hold onto our pain. We also hold onto our pain because a subconscious part of ourselves hopes that as long as we hurt we are hurting the one that hurt us. We do not forgive because we do not understand forgiveness.
We suffer because a part of us wants to suffer.
Peter
ParticipantHi Rainbow
From the beginning of recorded history ‘man’ has wondered about the cycle of life. Cycle of the moon was seen as representing the cycle of life, death, rebirth…. As was the rising and setting of the sun. And then of course the change of seasons…
There is a time for everything…. So yes, life is a cycle of ‘life, death, life…’ on every level.
In Christianity Christ dies on the cross to be reborn. If you follow Christ you follow him in this cycle, every moment a birth, betrayal, death, and resurrection. In Buddhism each breath is a cycle – inhale we are reborn, exhale we ‘die’ One might argue that each breath represents the opportunity of reincarnation. That is of course viewing ‘death’ symbolically, usually evolving a ego “dying”
Light and dark exist in each other they cannot exist without the other. If we did not know darkness we could not know light. Light points to the darkness and darkness points to the light.
It is in time of darkness, if you establish perspective, that you realize want you want and identified the opportunity to walk towards it… if one is courageous and does not fear all ‘dying’ it might take to get their..
Peter
ParticipantJenn
Reading your post it sounds like your no longer in denial and as they say that is the first step. There are allot of resources that you could check out that will help you deal with your finances. That there are so many resources out their suggests your not alone, definitely not alone.
You have demonstrated the ability to work hard, get a degree, and then change direction to find a career your passionate about. Few people are that brave. Getting a handle of your finances is anther challenge that once you face it you will be successful.
I wonder what the future might hold for you. I believe everything we learn comes together eventually. Life lessons, Sociology degree, cosmetology, well spoken, and once you learn how to better manage your finances …
“The only way that we can live, is if we grow. The only way that we can grow is if we change. The only way that we can change is if we learn. The only way we can learn is if we are exposed. And the only way that we can become exposed is if we throw ourselves out into the open. Do it. Throw yourself.” ― C. JoyBell C.
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ParticipantHi Rick
My feelings on such matters is that after such a breakup a clean break is the best for everyone involved.
If she has asked you to stop contacting her you need to respect that. Her response to the birthday contact didn’t invite any further contact so its pretty clear.Sometimes Love requires that a relationship ends. I’ve been there and I know it hurts. Sorry
Peter
ParticipantI prefer the “as below so above” approach as well – with that in mind and seeing that its spring one more quote 🙂
“The cosmogonic cycle is presented with astonishing consistency in the sacred writings of all the continents, and it gives to the adventure of the hero a new and interesting turn; for now it appears that the perilous journey was a labor not of attainment but of reattainment, not discovery but rediscovery. The godly power sought and dangerously won are revealed to have been within the heart of the hero all the time.” – Joseph Campbell – It seems “The longest way round is the shortest way home” – C.S. Lewis
Peter
ParticipantHi Lily
Its sounds like you have a good idea of what you need to work on and what you need to do.
With regards with working on understanding your past and how its impacting your present finding a new therapist with that specific goal in mind might be helpful. I found David Richo books a helpful guide – ‘When the Past Is Present’ and ‘The Five Things We Cannot Change’
For the issue of what you can do now I like what you said, “I think I need to set small tasks for myself and not do too much at once.”
From the list I would start with – exercising more while practicing non-judgment. “Just do it” no thinking required
I challenge you to go for a walk at lunch or after supper everyday for the next two weeks. Doesn’t have to be far.
While your walking, notice your thoughts. Notice what happens if you label yourself based on the thoughts you have. There is no right or wrong way to take a step, no right or wrong thoughts. Each step is only a step each thought only a thought. Feel the wind and the sun or the rain… notice that the thoughts quite and change if you set your attention on the light in the trees… notice that thoughts flow, they can be observed without attaching ‘yourself’ to them…. Without having to follow them down the rabbit hole…
Peter
ParticipantUsed to ask the question about ‘finding myself’ allot, not so much any more. Today I might ask what helps me feel engaged with life.
I like your idea of every day trying something new and your positiveity…. So what will I do today. Not new however today I will go for a walk at Lunch and the gym in the evening.
The following are some quotes I like that concern the idea of ‘finding oneself’
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, unremembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-treeNot known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always–
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flames are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one. TS – EliotI like the ideas behind the Hero journey. And the idea that its ok to wander and not have a destination as long as one keep there eyes open.
“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.” – J.R.R. TolkienAnd I like to read with a eye of looking past the words and entering into mystery.
“Sit in a room and read–and read and read. And read the right books by the right people. Your mind is brought onto that level, and you have a nice, mild, slow-burning rapture all the time.”
We have not even to risk the adventure alone
for the heroes of all time have gone before us.
The labyrinth is thoroughly known …
we have only to follow the thread of the hero path.
And where we had thought to find an abomination
we shall find a God.And where we had thought to slay another
we shall slay ourselves.
Where we had thought to travel outwards
we shall come to the center of our own existence.
And where we had thought to be alone
we shall be with all the world.”
― Joseph CampbellPeter
Participanthi Lily
You are not alone.There is a time for all things including feeling hopeless. The danger is in attaching the sense of self to the emotion allowing the feeling of hopelessness to define you as being hopeless. Such a attachment tends to end in stuckness. A mindfulness practice could help with that.
What kind of therapy were you trying?
Getting a handle on how the past may be influencing your present can be very helpful. Such work is a life long process that everyone should spend time on – Know thyself. That said it is possible to, at the same time work on the smaller doable tasks. For example, putting things off is an issue you can work on without having to attach it to how you feel about yourself. In fact, one of the steps is learning how not to attach judgments about the self to the tasks you set for yourself. One small step at a time. In that regard working with a life coach could be helpful – such a coach would help you focus on your goals.
Peter
ParticipantYou might like this guided meditation from Alan Watts
Peter
ParticipantHi Nomad (not all who wonder are lost)
You mention that – the reality is that I’m in the present now… the reality is ‘you’ are always in the present. Its the only place ‘you’ can be. When you imagine the future you are bringing the future into the present.
Anyway if I understand, your saying that you can only quite your mind when you are focusing on goals and desire for the future? That your intention of meditation and awakening is to get control or this thing you call ego in order to achieve those desires?
There is a time for everything and this may not be the time worry about process. It may be enough just have started… and being open to learning.
Perhaps a place to start is to come into relationship with the ego. For many the ego is something we are ‘supposed’ to defeat. Its bad… however the ego plays a important role in becoming. Consciousness is a product of the experience tension. Here is a paradox for you – it takes a person with a healthy ego to detach the sense of self from the ego. A weak ego will experience any attempt at detachment as trying to kill it and it will engage the ‘id’ to fight back.
Try to communicate a experience, to yourself or others without using the word ‘I’. You can’t. Notice that the ‘I’ is a construct of language, a symbol that points past it self to something we don’t quite see. Because we can’t see ‘it’ the error we make is mistaking this construct ‘I’ for the Self . We do this by attaching the ‘I’ to experience, emotions, desires, thoughts… we say and believe ‘I am the experience, I am the emotion = identification and attachment of the the construct of ‘I’ to a illusion which becomes ego – the ego believes ‘I am my ego’. It’s a difference getting to experience the emotion of sadness… and defining the ‘I’ as being the emotion of sadness.
One of the ideas behind meditation is to learn how to observe our thoughts, breathe… in time we notice that the ‘I’ is a constrict, a illusion. As we become mindful of this truth we learn to detach the ‘I’, the ego, from the emotion, thought, experience… the mind becomes the still point.
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