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In a sudden turn of events i have suggested to my boys mum that we should get back together.
I had been really interested in this other woman though since about February, from Facebook. We had been getting close over text etc & i saw something happening with her long term. This might make you form judgements about her but she has 3 kids all from different dads. However she is not some benefits scrounge, she has a career as a social worker & she is just amazing in so many ways i could list but just take my word for it. Then 2 weeks ago we had a debate on facebook about a particular breed of young people in my city, who hijack cars – many of which are defenseless women with their toddler. I voiced my utter disgust & hatred for these little rats & would personally pay to see them hurt. But the “social worker” in this lady took offense to the things i said about them & said the opposite, that they should be shown compassion because they have underlying issues that need addressed.
So we had that debate which was a difference of beliefs or opinion, & she hasn’t spoken to me since, i don’t think she is going to either as I’ve sent 3 messages with no reply. No, we hadn’t met before but i was really into her & were due to meet very soon when we weren’t so busy & it was so disheartening to have built such a connection with her for it to go down the pan over nothing.
Back to my childs mum now. Not long ago she started sending me pictures of her & my son looking happy etc. i didn’t really think nothing at first but then began to think she was hinting at me to see us all together properly, and in some of the pictures she does look really nice. She also recently suggested we take our son out together to the cinema (we have NEVER done anything even close to this). The other night i was having a few beers & i saw yet another photo of just her, on whatssapp, of her looking real good & i sent her humorous text that included us maybe getting back together & she replied positively with a smile.
The thing is just a few weeks ago i was sure i will never get back with because i saw something happening with this other lady, & now shes stopped talking to me, all of a sudden I’m open to getting back with my ex?
The things she did to me don’t hurt as much any more, but they are still there deep down i just don’t bring them out. I could, but i choose not to as they only hurt. The fact that they are always going to be in my memory means they could come out some time in an argument.
I think rather than jump straight into it we should meet for a few drinks & a chat – & I don’t mean a chat about feelings & shit, i mean just have a laugh – maybe have sex, & then see how i feel about it… Although last night she did say that we could meet for a drink or something just cos we need to get on for our kids sake, but that there is no future for us because she cant forgive me for her court debt when i attempted to gain PR last year. Well she did worse to me.
Im also interested in this sexy little blonde 20 year old too who i hope to meet up with soon.
Im starting a new job next week in an office & what if there’s some available hotties there? Haha
I don’t even think i know what i want now that the lady i had invested too much feelings in suddenly removed herself from the idea.
I’m honestly not bothered either way. But does anyone think i would be mad to reunite with my ex after what she did to me?
DanParticipantI’m worrying about future stuff too. Anticipating it I mean..
Like any father figures or step fathers being in my boys life. I know I may not be able to stop this from happening. However I will ensure that my boy calls me daddy & me only. Nobody else. I will be present in my sons life until the day I die, so if he has a step dad the the step dad will be getting called by his own name. If I wasn’t around or didn’t care about my son, then ok, a kid needs a dad. But I am around & I will always be around. I do not mean this in an aggressive way either, I’ll not be “enforcing” it or anything. It will simply be a matter of correcting my boy if I ever hear him refer to anyone else using the word daddy or similar wording.
DanParticipantThanks Will yeah Matt had some very insightful words & interesting perspectives. A lot of which resonated with me & made me see some things differently. I saw it differently but was still mad. However since then I’ve came a long way. I have even referred back to Matts posts at times when I needed to maintain some healing power.
I’ve no other way to frame it. People DID do something to me. The things that happened are facts & these facts hurt me. I am doing well in life & will be doing even better soon when I find a new job. I just lose focus sometimes & my attention falls back to the wrongs committed against me. I have also slacked off from doing EFT & meditation for about a month now (due to my apartment getting renovated & other stuff) & I have always found that if I don’t maintain mediation, I fall back into anger in due course. So, I’ve literally just started it again an hour ago.
Hey Martina. A lot of her actions WERE directed at hurting me – she screwed around pregnant to spite me. Once, when she was pregnant, I saw her in town sitting in a car with an ex boyfriend, I tried to talk to her & she gave me the finger as they drove off.
I have often attempted to see things from her perspective – after my kid was born I didn’t see him much for 18 months, so what did I miss? I missed sleepless nights, dirty nappies, feeds, crying, stress etc. I’ve tried showing compassion to these facts however the compassion always got overwritten by the level of betrayal in the bigger picture such as the entire list of stuff in my initial post.
The new boyfriends etc all having spent time with & even met my boy long before I did, me being last to meet him, the christening, sex whilst pregnant, another man seeing my child into the world, is stuff that can’t be undone. Some of it may seem insignificant to some, but they’re massively important to me. As well as everything else on that list.
Thanks but, I don’t care much for the peace of any of the men involved. I wouldn’t care if anything happened to them.
I know I can’t change what’s happened, so I guess I’ll once again try to focus on the future.
DanParticipantUndoable meaning it is actions that can’t be undone. It happened & there is no way to rectify it. It can’t be fixed not even with a sincere apology, because even if she were to sincerely apologise, it still happened & I will always remember. I know you can say she has nothing to apologise for but I see it differently – she did something that I had wished my whole life would not happen to me; the woman who bore my child having sex with other men whilst pregnant with my child… Yes, she shouldn’t have done it. It is a problem because as I said above it was important to me that this did not happen, yet it happened. I lost this lifelong wish & belief & I had held close to my heart.
Those “dudes” did something wrong, to me. Did I have sex with the woman carrying THEIR child? No I didn’t. And if I did I would understand if they were angry with me. They knew they were having sex with a woman who was carrying another mans child. That is a fateful error in my book. Again it comes back to me wishing this wouldn’t happen to me my whole life, and the disrespect to both myself & my unborn son by these men & my ex.
I don’t care if most men in the world wouldn’t care about the woman carrying their child having sex with other men whilst pregnant with their child, it mattered to ME. I don’t care if the men involved here wouldn’t care, to me I would see it as us being even. The only thing better would be if I got to do it myself.
I get the quotes I really do. However its not quite as simple as saying “ok I let this go”. I mean, i’ve just said it right now, I have said it many times, I listen to ‘let it go’ by Demi Lovato every day, yet the mind still holds on to it. It is always going to be in my memory, so what else can I do about it?
The mediation & EFT helps. But, I imagine I am going to have to do this forever in order to try & gain then maintain inner peace. It just seems there will be no escape from the painful memories of what she did, & those important moments & the time that I lost with my son.
The pain gets less as time goes on. But deep down it is there, ready to show its ugly head at any moment.
DanParticipantI’ll just be ensuring my boy only calls me daddy. I expect his mum to make sure of this too. I am his one & only daddy & unless I’m dead I’m the only one who gets called daddy. Because he only has one daddy just the same way he only has one mummy.
Her having sex after we broke up isn’t the problem. Her having sex whilst pregnant with my child, is the problem. It’s undoable. It affected me so much that I had to move 50 miles away. I view the men she had sex with whilst carrying my child as fateful enemies & wish they be held accountable for their actions. If I hadn’t moved away I would most likely have administered punishment myself. Poetic justice would be for them to experience exactly what I did. For the woman carrying their child to screw around whilst pregnant. I do hope this to happen to all or any of them.
I’m gunna persevere with my healing regardless. I like doing the EFT & meditation I believe it really is helping my inner peace.
Another thing I haven’t mentioned but relates to “holding on to it for later” is the messages my ex sent me when she was pregnant. I have kept the phone with the message thread where she told me she was going to “f*ck who she wants when she wants & it’s none of my business” … Initially i told her I was keeping it to show her son when he is older & show him what a sl*g she was etc. I said this obviously to try & hurt her back at the time when I was desperate & she was severely hurting me.
Since then I’ve long a go came to my senses & I know it wouldn’t be fair in my boy to show him those messages in 15 years. But why am I holding on to the phones then? I think I’ve been holding them as “insurance” or something so if & when my ex ever tries anything I can refer back to the phones & remind her of what I could do to her in 10 years.
Yeah I know my sons feelings & welfare is most important. But that doesn’t mean I should simply roll over & accept the way I’ve been treated. I know it’s all past but it still happened & it’s always going to be in my head on some level. I’ll always remember what she did & the way in which she did it. I’ll always miss those moments & times I got denied with my son that I can never get back.
Gunna persevere as I’ve said. I may hate her forever, especially since there are future possible scenarios that I’m anticipating. But I’ll persevere.
Thanks. I have to win my true happiness & freedom.
DanParticipantThere shouldn’t be any problems with me & her family. We should all get along fine unless I am being undermined or taken for something I’m not.
The issue would be any of her past boyfriends current boyfriends or future boyfriends. I do not mean this in a control freak way (I don’t have any control over my situation anyways, never had) I mean I wouldn’t be able to truly embrace any of these people. The idea of another man in that role being in my child’s life more than me is just not something I like or agree with, & probably won’t accept.
If my ex got married for example, my son will be calling the other guy by his name. There will be no deviation from this. I’m daddy, & nobody else.
DanParticipantYeah most of it is because I wanted to be there for my son when he came into the world & had it all taken away from me. I’ll not be able to get that back, ever. It’s just not possible.
But it’s also not possible to undo the stuff she done when she was pregnant & screwing around, & that’s the biggest killer to me. Her being single & free to do what she wants gives me no comfort, or in her words “can f*ck who she wants when she wants”
Deep down, it’s there. I’m doing amazingly well with progress in regards to letting go of the anger at this, but the facts are facts, & all the stuff happened, & it’s still there. You can’t totally eradicate harmful memories from your mind, although that would be amazing if you could.
I did talk to a counsellor last year for 6 sessions & I don’t think it done much good at the time. I mean, how does getting all the stuff in your head out vocally make any difference? It just made me leave the building angry because all the memories I’d just resurfaced & were again fresh in my head.
I was considering more counselling but decided it was best if I didn’t. And that was before I decided on trying to give my ex true forgiveness for Xmas.
Today I was texting my ex & she said something that peeved me off a little & in times gone by it would have escalated, but I just stopped replying & kept my cool. Just a few months ago I would have replied by digging up past stuff & then we would have been fully arguing & fall out for weeks or months. But I kept my cool & didn’t bother doing so.
However, I thought to myself something along the lines of “I’ll save it for another time” which is why I say that it is still there in me on some level since I’m obviously hanging on to some things if I plan to bring them up again some day. It was a picture of one of her ex boyfriends who was always sniffing around while I was with the girl & wouldn’t leave us alone, he’s holding my boy when he was a baby, this picture was from Facebook in the weeks after my son was born, meaning this ex boyfriend met my son before I did. To say this disappoints me is an understatement. It’s likely he was involved in other aspects of my son coming into the world. Not good in my book.
That one example of things I could bring up. Or maybe hanging onto these kind of issues with those intentions just brings me some kind of comfort? Like an ace up my sleeve or something?
Having said all that, I am doing incredibly well.
DanParticipantThis Saturday I’m going out to see my son at his own house, my ex’s house (where they live with her mum). It will be the first time I’ve ever been there.
I’m cool with it. I’m not worried or bothered or anything. My ex said she won’t be there but her mum will. I think she doesn’t want to be there at the beginning & that maybe after a while when we see how the visits go she’ll start staying there as I’m visiting.
The only thing I’m expecting is to see my son for a few hours in his own little territory & have fun with him. I’m having a slide delivered for him next month that me & him will build together on a Saturday I visit.
She said her dad usually visits on Saturday so he may turn up (I’ve never met him but I don’t give a crap about him. Not that there will be any animosity). The only thing that would bother me, which I’m sure she knows, is if someone who was in the role of her boyfriend ever turned up, or even any exes. I would be boiling inside & wouldn’t want to be civil to them. I haven’t brought this up to her, I’ve thought about it but I didn’t yet. I’m not sure she even has a boyfriend I’m just picturing the scenario if it were to happen.
Let’s see how it goes.
NOTE: I’ve done really well with the forgiving of her. Up until the turn of the year it was a regular boiling rage inside & now it is not so much. In fact only very briefly I think about it for a minute or 2 then forget about it again. Deep down it’ll probably always be there but I’m doing well in not allowing it to control my emotions any more.
DanParticipantI found myself crying a lot last night. I don’t often physically cry about it it’s usually just the constant gutting feeling inside, but last night I cried a lot.
I’d just been sat contemplating how much pain I’ve felt over the past three & a half years at the loss & betrayal, & things my ex done that can’t be undone, & the moments & time with my son that I’ll never get back or experience. It hit me how much I’ve been hurting & for how long – I’ve spent almost all the second half of my 20s hurt, angry & bitter.
I’ve never saw him on his birthday or Christmas & I’ve no idea when I will. That’s an example of future possible pains. I believe that’s probably part of the reasons why it’s been so hard to let go of the past – because I’m going to suffer more stuff I don’t like or agree with, adding to & prolonging the pain.
DanParticipantThanks Mike. Your situation sounds like it could kick off at any minute, like a volcano ready to erupt. It’s unhealthy & maybe you both need to have a sit down for a deep heart to heart to find out if you can both work together to fix things between you.
Firstly I’ll point out that she is actually a great mother to my son & I am not nor have I ever been worried about my sons safety & I am able to praise her for this, which I have done many times. I can sleep easy at night knowing he is ok. Second there is no issues with paternity. We never done DNA or anything like that but in many cases it is simply not necessary in the slightest which it isn’t in our case as me & my son are like identical twins.
I had court stuff happening a year ago all I was doing it for was to have my name on the birth certificate & parental responsibility, basically I just wanted official recognition, not more access or anything like that because it wasn’t the issue. However, I compassionately withdrew the court stuff because the more days my ex missed at work then the more money she missed out on as well as legal fees, & that means my son becomes affected too. So I withdrew it & told her I give up & that I leave it to her whatever happens from now on.
I pay for my child & always have done. Legally I’m not even obliged to since legally I’m not even a parent, but I do it anyway because I want to. I’ve always dragged up the past s*it she did as a reminder of what she done to me (which is my problem, the past stuff she done) & she obviously hates me bringing it up. But I always felt that because I’m hurting she needs to be reminded of the fact she caused it. I’ve been in the victim role too long now though & I want out.
I get what you’re saying about my son noticing me being missing from a lot of things when he grows up. I’ve thought about that & well it’s simply not my fault so that’s her problem. But I’ll always be around as long as I’m alive. One thing I will not have taken from me is me being daddy & nobody else – what I mean is that even if she got married & technically my son has a step-dad, the step-dad will be getting called by his name & nothing else. I’m imagining future pain possibilities such as this.
I had a choice to either leave town or do something that resulted in a large jail sentence. Thankfully I took the right path & to be honest there have been many, many positive things that happened in my life as a result of all this. All things I made happen myself in reaction to my hurt. However the fact all that the positives came from a place of pain makes it bittersweet.
I tried the emotional freedom technique a while ago following tutorials on YouTube & I will do it every day. I think it’s quite possibly the thing I’ve been searching for this whole time since meditation alone has not took my pain away.
I will get there 🙂
DanParticipantIt’s been a month since I decided to grant my ex true forgiveness & it was going well until the other day when she got an ex bf (possible current bf again) to bring my child over to the contact centre to see me.
Since then I’ve been hurting inside. All the old feelings of hate & bitterness have resurfaced & for the past few hours I’ve been having a mild anxiety attack.
I know that Buddha would say “he brought your child to see you, be thankful for that” as opposed to me being angry about it. But no I can’t do that. He is one of the men involved in my original pain & it’s just not possible for me to be thankful to him for anything at all.
I have things to keep me busy & productive for example today & tomorrow I am doing a suicide intervention course as part of my new job training. I have my studies, self development reading, meditation, exercise. I’m just really trying hard not to allow this dark cloud back into my life.
DanParticipantSorry sunflower I didn’t understand what you meant first time I read your message.
I think that could be correct although I gave my son a framed picture of me & him for his bedroom. This was his mothers idea a few months ago.
Yes seeing effects of other people there would hurt though. Yet I’d probably have to bite my tounge & conceal my disgust.
DanParticipantPlease I don’t want to sound like a tool but I explained above what I’m angry about.
I’m trying to see some compassion that he ran them over so my son could see me. But not, I’m sorry to say I want to hit him hard.
Thankfully I live 50 miles away.
DanParticipantI know I have done so well but..
Was seeing my kid yesterday in the contact centre. I wasn’t prepared for what I was presented with. Outside the contact centre sat this guy’s car who was an ex bf of my child’s mother from before I was with her.
He is a slave-waste-puppy-go-fetch asshole that has always been & always will be sniffing around my ex – she would use him to bring our alcohol to my house when I was with her for example, etc etc.
The back of the car was to me & I stared at the car as I made my way into the centre, 99% sure that the car was that of this guy.
Turns out it was him, & he had ran my ex & my child over to the centre.
I’m not happy about this at all. It’s bittersweet because “aww he’s such a nice guy running your child over to see you” but, I fucking hate him & we have bad blood between us. The bad blood is because he did everything in his power to try & drive a wedge between me & my child’s mum when we were together.
My cousin goes to the contact centre & is his friend. He told me that on Facebook this other guy was checking in on Facebook “partying” or “drinking ” at my ex gf’s house recently.
Whether they are together as bf & gf now isn’t even important. I’m fuming that he brought my child to see me. If they are together, I’m fuming that he see’s my child more, yet I haven’t been welcome near her house until recently.
Oh yeah she had words with the main contact centre woman that she wants to move it to her house & that we’ll work that out soon enough.
Fair enough, but what if for example I go to the house & this other guy is there? Or it may be a case where I need her to collect me for the final few miles, what if she sends him or collects me with him? Well to be honest I’d be clarifying everything first & I will refuse if he or indeed ANYONE who would be in the role of bf.
I can’t accept a situation like this. I’ve recently forgave her at Xmas for all the past shit, but now this part of the past has been resurrected – he is one of the men I suspect had sex with her whilst pregnant. Does that mean I still want to hurt him? Yes it does. I would get satisfaction from it. However I don’t fancy a long jail sentence.
What should I do now? I don’t know. I’ll see what happens over the next few weeks & if we work out me seeing my boy in her house etc, but..
I want to beat the fuck out of that guy. I do imagine that if our paths cross outside my child being with him, that I’ll drag him out of his car & bite lumps out of his face.
I’m sorry for sounding like a nutter.
DanParticipantI agree my son doesn’t deserve an angry father but it’s not something he witnessed or experienced.
I was bitter inside, not outside.
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