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July 2, 2025 at 1:24 pm in reply to: Should I Forget about him, or was he the one that got away? #447280
anitaParticipantDear Emma, Iâll be back at the computer in a few hours to read your message carefully and reply with the attention it deserves đ¤
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anitaParticipantI submitted the post above before seeing the song you shared đ. Iâll be back at the computer in a few hours and will respond more fully then.
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anitaParticipantDear Gerald:
Your words moved me more than I can say. Thank youânot only for your kindness, but for caring enough to write in my thread. That gesture alone speaks of such generosity, and it brought the first smile to my face this Wednesday afternoon (here in the U.S.).
That Beatles line feels like the perfect seal to your message. Iâll carry it with me.
Please know, Gerald, that youâre always warmly welcome hereâto share your thoughts, feelings, questions, contradictions, and hopes. Your presence adds richness to this space and warmth to my heart.
With appreciation, Anita đ¤
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
âThe pull between detachment and engagement, between Yes and No to Life as it is. (common theme to my posts)… How do we remain present in the fire that is Life without being consumed?… Not seeking to silence the tension, but to let it sing through us.â-
These words struck something deep in me. They made me wonder:
How do we stay present with emotionâwithout clinging to it, numbing ourselves, or rushing to fix it? How do we let difficult feelings sing through us⌠instead of scream âDanger! Danger!â at every turn?
My earliest memory of fear came when I was five or six. It was the middle of the night, and I heard my mother scream at my father that she was going to kill herself. Then she leftâinto the dark. I believed her. I didnât yet have the tools to understand whether it was a threat or a certainty.
What was objectively dangerous was the possibility of her death. But the fear of that danger became my constant companion. That fear grew too big to hold, too loud to hear clearly, so I did what many doâI tried to detach from it, numb it, or fix it. And I carried that habit with me for decades.
What Iâm trying to say is: for some of us, especially when we’re young and vulnerable, emotion itselfâespecially fearâbecomes what we fear. It becomes the danger. When it starts too early and lasts too long, we internalize that fear as something unbearable. And we spend our lives trying to outrun it.
Your words made me wonder whether youâve ever written anything on July 2nd (I have a thing for numbers). I found a post from July 3, 2018:
âI was very shy and fearful growing up.â-
Like me, you were a fearful child. And from what Iâve lived, we donât simply outgrow fearâwe learn to dress it differently. Sometimes in intellectual clothing. Sometimes in silence.
Also, while scrolling through your posts, I noticed youâre a couple years younger than me đ
Back to that same post, you wrote: âThe anxiety we feel is of our own making and all of it based on illusion.â-
I understand the illusion piece. But sometimes, the origin of anxiety isnât illusionâespecially when itâs rooted in real moments that overwhelmed a young nervous system. The loss of a parentâwhether through abandonment, threat, or emotional absenceâis biologically coded as dangerous. A child canât be expected to sort imagined threat from actual danger.
You also wrote back then: âEvery moment⌠every breath every moment a reincarnation.â- That line made me pause. I may not be able to kill the old fear, but maybe I can live beside it. Maybe I can make peace with it.
Your meditative practice offered a structure I want to tryânot to silence the fear, but to witness it. Maybe Iâll meditate on it and let it sing rather than scream. Iâd love to share what comes up here in your thread, if thatâs okay with you. And if not, I completely understandâIâll find space for it elsewhere.
I wonder, too: have you named your own fearâthe one born in your own childhood? Might it help to let that voice be heard?
And before I close: congratulations on doing something new. Sharing a practice like this is a beautiful step forwardânot just as a writer, but as someone living through the tension, rather than standing outside it.
Warmly, Anita đ¤
anitaParticipantOOPSIE, 11:32
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anitaParticipant11:11 pm, Tuesday, July 1, 2025-
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anitaParticipantContinued Journaling:
Last night I wrote: âMore about the rejection I experienced and how much it hurt⌠itâs an emotional kind of pain. No words⌠The 20-year-old who murdered two firefighters in Idaho today and injured a thirdâhe wanted to be a firefighter. Was he reacting to rejection?â
And then this morning, I read a quote on MSN from the suspectâs grandfather: > âHe loved firefighters. It didnât make sense that he was shooting firefighters. Maybe he got rejected or something.â
There it isâthat word: rejected.
Of course, thereâs no excusing what he did. Itâs too late to offer him acceptance or understandingâtoo late to prevent the deaths of two firefighters and the injuries of another. But itâs not too late to extend empathy and genuine acceptance to those of us whoâve lived in the shadow of chronic rejectionârejection that lasts so long it leads to a kind of isolation that cuts both inward and outward.
An isolation so intense, so desperate, that in some cases… it becomes deadly.
And whoâs to say what difference a simple act of kindness might make? A gentle smile. A moment of being seen. A stranger, troubled or alone, looked at with warmth instead of indifference.
That kind of acceptance might not fix everything. But it might mean someone keeps climbing instead of slipping further down.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Lisa:
On May 25, 2017, you wrote: “I know on paper what needs to be done but I feel like Iâm climbing a hill made of mud.”
And on June 30, 2025, you said: “I feel as if I am climbing up a steep hill of mud, not able to get anywhere. I really need a vacation from my life or a guide.”
Eight years apart, and yet the image stayed the same. That steep hill of mudâslow, heavy, slipperyâis such a powerful way to describe what youâve been going through: trying so hard, struggling so deeply, and constantly feeling like any step forward slides back.
And stillâyou kept climbing.
Back in May 2017, you shared your story with raw, painful honesty. I want to reflect itânot to retell the painâbut to honor the strength it took to survive it and speak it out loud.
You were born into confusion and separation. Your mother was too young, your father kept at a distance, and your early life was shaped by secrets. Your grandparents stepped in with both love and dysfunction, and you were surrounded by people who didnât always know how to show care. You were told stories that didnât match your reality, raised as someoneâs childâbut not fully recognized as someone in need.
You endured abuse, bullying, and rejection from places that were supposed to be safe. You wanted school to be your refuge, and for a while it was. But then came the heartbreak: being misunderstood, losing honor roll, losing cheerleading, losing the hope of falling in love. You quit school not because you stopped caring, but because everything started to feel too much. You cried when you shouldâve been celebrating. That moment says so much.
In your twenties, you reached for structure and creativityâearning your GED, studying Interior Design, dreaming of a home that could hold you safely. But life kept repeating itself: unstable homes, jobs cut short not because of laziness, but because your emotions couldnât stay hidden. People didnât understand that your tears were not weakness, but echoes of everything you were carrying.
Through it all, you kept longingâfor real connection, for love, for someone to choose you. You wanted to be seen, cherished, pursued. And when it didnât happen, you started to believe something must be wrong with you. That you were somehow ânot female,â not desirable, not enough. That feelingâof being forgotten before youâre even knownâis heartbreaking.
You talked openly about OCD, the rituals and fears that chase you. About trying everythingâtherapy, affirmations, diets, booksâand still feeling stuck. You shared the pain of friendships that faded, and jobs that ended with misunderstanding instead of compassion.
And stillâyou kept climbing.
Lisa, hereâs what I see in you:
* A deeply sensitive heart, the kind that always considers how others feelâeven more than your own fear of being hurt.
* Creative soul and artistic talent, passed down from your father, still living inside you even when neglected.
* Insight that cuts through the noiseâyou understand patterns, emotions, dynamics in ways that are remarkable.
* A romantic spirit that longs not for fantasy, but for something meaningful and real.
* Persistence. Youâve kept trying, even when the odds have felt unbearable.
* Dreams. Maybe they live in daydreams now, but they still liveâand that matters.
Youâve spent years climbing that muddy hill with no map, no companion, and no guide. But you kept going. Thatâs not just survival. Thatâs grit. Thatâs strength. Thatâs courage in motion.
Lisa, you are not the sum of your missed opportunities, your heartaches, or your struggles. You are a woman with deep emotional wisdom, real resilience, and a story that deserves to be seen with respect.
That part of you who dreams, writes, reflects, createsâthat part isnât gone. Sheâs waiting. And sheâs still with you.
Youâre tired. So deeply tired. But youâre not broken. Youâre not invisible. Youâre not unworthy.
You deserve rest. You deserve healing. You deserve loveânot someday, not conditionallyâbut because youâre you.
And if there ever comes a day when you want someone to walk beside youânot to fix the mud, but to steady you when you slipâI hope youâll reach out.
Because your story matters, Lisa. You matter.
đ¤ With care, Anita
anitaParticipantDear CinCin:
Youâre very welcomeâand thank you for your kind words.
I really hear what you’re saying about the difference between simply being invited and feeling truly included. Itâs not just about the plansâitâs about feeling wanted from the beginning, not added at the last minute. Thatâs a very real and important difference.
I admire how openly youâve spoken with your wife, even when the answers arenât clear. That kind of honesty takes courage. So does continuing to search for understanding instead of burying the pain.
You deserve to feel considered and includedânot just invited. I hope this helps affirm that your feelings truly matter.
If it feels okay to ask, I wonder if this experience stirred up something even olderâmaybe from earlier in life? Itâs so common for past hurts to echo through present moments, especially when they involve feeling unseen or left out. That kind of pain has deep roots, and if it ever feels right to explore it, Iâd be here with care.
đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantCompletely dark now.
“Yeah.. I’ll keep you by my side… If I am alive and well, will you be there holding my hand?” (music piercing through the darkness)
it’s all about connecting, isn’t it- about being responded to, not being left alone.. as simple as that?
Is it all about: SEE me, HEAR me, let me know I am NOT ALONE, not all by myself.
Be there for me, be HERE for me.. (and I’ll be here for you).
Anita
anitaParticipantJournaling because I can, because I have this space here, in my own thread-
I say “because I can” as an act of defiance, an act of rebellion, simply because I lived without such space for too long.
Better say, I suffocated without space-for-me, for too long.
It’s amazing how a person can suffocate for so long and yet, still live to tell about it.
I have been taking my space here, in my many threads, and in real-life, DANCING outdoors to live music. And I’ve been taking my space in forming friendships and friendly acquaintances.
It makes my life Worth Living (see the title of this thread?)
Listening to music.. “it’s just a shot away, ah yea..” Rolling Stones.
It’s very important to me to not CHASE anyone for friendship or attention.
Give people the space they need.
Light outside, music too loud, can’t hear the birds I assume are there, outside my open windows.
.. “Angie.. With no Loving in our Souls..”
– There IS loving in my soul!
I am a good person after all, who could have known. Not me-
I thought that I was a bad person because my mother told me so, her clearly spelled out message: YOU ANITA – BAD.
It was a false message. I FINALLY KNOW it- what a relief, so many decades after that devastating, false message took hold.
.. What has hurt me so badly in my life has been REJECTION, active rejection and passive rejection= ignoring me, not answering me, not responding to my words/ my sentiment. Nothing. As if I didn’t exist (no space for me).
Well, I exist.
More about the rejection I experienced and how MUCH it hurt:
Well, it hurt, and no rationalizing it can dim the hurt.
it’s an emotional thing, this hurt.. no words.
“Here I am on the road again.. There I go turn the page… There I .. GO.” (Music, if you don’t recognize these words).
The 20-year-old who murdered two firefighters in Idaho today and injured a third, he wanted to be a firefighter.. was he reacting to rejection?
I don’t know, his motivation wasn’t determined yet. I don’t excused the violence and death, of course, but we can all make it a better world by responding to- not ignoring- people who so desperately need a .. response.
You see a child hurting, an adult who’s still hurting? Say something, say: I see you, see you hurting, tell me more..?
Say something, don’t let people drown in unresponsive, suffocating pools of nothingness.
Help people to not feel as terribly alone as I- and so many others- have felt for too long.
Anita
anitaParticipantDear CinCin:
Thank you for sharing something so personal. Itâs incredibly brave to speak up about this kind of hurt, especially when it echoes past wounds.
Youâre not off base at all. The feelings you’re experiencing make complete sense, especially given the patternâbeing excluded before, and now sensing something similar unfold again. Itâs not just about this one trip; itâs about wanting to be included from the start, not added as an afterthought.
Your wifeâs apology mattersâit shows that she cares and is open to hearing how this impacted you. And I hope the door is still open for you to express why it hurt, not just that it did. Because being invited is one thing⌠but feeling includedâfrom the beginningâis something else entirely.
As for why this keeps happening, it may be unintentional. People fall into old habits, make assumptions, or avoid discomfort without realizing the impact. But that doesnât make the hurt any less realâor any less worthy of being acknowledged.
Iâm so glad you spoke up. You deserve to feel like you belong. Not just as a +1, but as someone whose presence is genuinely wanted.
With warmth, Anita
June 30, 2025 at 6:00 pm in reply to: Should I Forget about him, or was he the one that got away? #447224
anitaParticipantDear Emma:
You are so very welcomeâand thank you for your appreciation and kind words. Reading your message truly made my day.
And thank you for continuing to share so openly. Your reflections are filled with honesty and self-awarenessâitâs a privilege to witness your process.
From what youâve described here and in earlier messages, it does sound like youâre noticing patterns that may align with Relationship OCD (ROCD). The persistent doubts about Philip, the urge to explain yourself repeatedly, the difficulty letting go after the breakup, and the mental loops of âwhat ifâ and âwhat does he think of me nowââthese are all experiences that many people with ROCD report.
Of course, only a qualified mental health professional can give a diagnosis. But your curiosity about ROCD is valid, and exploring it may help you understand yourself with more compassion. ROCD isnât about not loving someoneâitâs about the mind getting stuck in a loop of doubt, fear, and the need for certainty. And when thatâs layered on top of a history with OCD, it makes sense that relationships become a place where those patterns show up.
What I find especially powerful is how youâre beginning to notice the why behind your actions. You werenât disregarding Philipâs boundariesâyou were trying to be understood, to repair, to reconnect. Thatâs not failure. Thatâs a deeply human response shaped by fear, longing, and hope.
And your honesty about boundariesâhow scary they feel, and how youâre beginning to see their shapeâis such an important shift. Youâre not just learning about boundariesâyouâre starting to feel why they matter: in your body, in your relationships, in your healing. Thatâs not small. Thatâs foundational.
I love that youâre putting reminders on your wall. Thatâs you building a new kind of inner homeâone where your needs matter, your voice counts, and your growth is honored.
I wanted to share that Iâve experienced OCD too. I began struggling with it around age six and was diagnosed in my twenties. I no longer fit the diagnosis, so maybeâjust maybeâthereâs hope for you too.
And I have a sense that we may share something else: an invalidating parent or two. My mother used to counter every thought I had with condemnation. I was always âwrong,â always âmissing the point,â never quite right. No wonder that internal voiceâhers, reallyâkept on second-guessing me for so many years. Itâs still there sometimes, but softer now. Life is so much simpler and gentler without that constant inner doubter.
Iâm here, Emmaâalwaysâon this side of the ocean. And Iâm so very glad youâre here too.
With warmth and care, Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you for such a heartfelt messageâit truly means a lot. â¤ď¸ I really appreciate your thoughtfulness and the care woven through everything you shared.
I admire how youâve found ways to adapt to dyspraxiaâcycling sounds like a beautiful solution that brings both freedom and simplicity. Itâs such a clear example of creating space for yourself in the world, on your own terms.
And yes, I’m lucky to have someone kind helping me with online things. Iâll take your suggestion about clothing sites to heart and see what we can come up with.
What you said about my childhood struck a chord. Itâs painful when others turn awayâor worse, endorse harm by pretending it never happened. Your empathy in naming that really touched me.
You’re also spot on about this spaceâwe all arrive here carrying tenderness, defenses, and hopes. And that makes connection both fragile and precious. I’m so grateful we reconnected. What we have now feels honest, mutual, and earnedâand that matters deeply to me. â¤ď¸
Thank you for seeing me so clearly. Iâm truly glad weâre still hereâstill showing up for each other.
With warmth, Anita
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