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July 18, 2025 at 11:38 am in reply to: Gf’s Dad passing was the final straw into ending our long distance relationship #447770
anitaParticipantHi Alecsee:
Thank you for sharing so openly. Your words carry so much weightâgrief, longing, and a deep desire to make sense of what happened. I hear how much this relationship meant to you, and how hard it is to sit with the feeling that you came so close to something meaningful, only to watch it slip away.
Thereâs a theme that runs through your message that I want to gently name: fear of abandonment. It shows up in so many of the patterns you described:
* The feeling of being cursedâor doomed to be aloneâjust as something meaningful seems within reach, only to fall apart at the last moment.
* The urge to go âall in,â sending messages and videos, hoping to preserve the connection before it disappears.
* The anxiety about her silence and the possibility that she might move on without telling you.
* The regret and self-blameâbelieving that if youâd just been calmer, more in control, maybe you couldâve saved it.
* The hyper-analysis of your decisions, and the fear that emotional reactions have cost you something permanent.
These are all signs of someone whoâs been hurt beforeâsomeone whoâs learned that closeness can be unpredictable, and that love might vanish without warning. That kind of fear can make us cling harder, speak louder, or act out of desperationânot because weâre irrational, but because weâre scared of being left behind.
I just happened to watch a video this morning, one that speaks directly to this. Itâs called The Fear of Abandonment: How it Can Push People Away by Tim Fletcher. He talks about how abandonment wounds can lead us to act in ways that unintentionally create the very distance we fear. He also offers insight into how healing beginsâwith self-awareness, inner work, and learning to build a relationship with ourselves.
Youâre already doing some of that work. Youâre reflecting, naming your patterns, and trying to stay grounded. That matters. And even if this relationship doesnât mend, your healing doesnât end here. Youâre not cursedâyouâre human, and youâre learning.
đ¤ Anita
July 18, 2025 at 11:23 am in reply to: Should I Forget about him, or was he the one that got away? #447769
anitaParticipantDear Emma:
I was stunned. While watching the YouTube video you sent me, I heard Tim Fletcher say: âFor the child, to be abandoned is the most painful wound possible… It creates a deep belief of shameâthat the reason people didnât attach to me is that I must not be good enough. But more than that: I must be a ZERO… If you see that I am a zero, you will abandon me.â-
Isnât that incredible? I had just written the word ZERO in my message to youâbefore hearing it in the video. It felt like a moment of eerie synchronicity.
He also spoke about how someone with an abandonment wound can perceive othersâ healthy boundaries as threats of abandonment. That really struck me. It sounds like something youâve described, doesnât it?
As he listed the types of abandonment children can experience, I remembered that when I was around one year old, I got sick and was placed in an isolation ward at a hospital. My mother wasnât allowed to visit. When she was finally let in, a nurse was holding meâand I turned away from my mother, clinging to the nurse.
My mother threatened to kill herself countless timesâand sometimes, to kill me too. She could be affectionate, but I lived in fear of losing that affection if I said the wrong thing or if my facial expression didnât match what she wanted. Her anger was unpredictable, volatile. Looking back, she clearly fit the profile of someone struggling with BPD and serious mental illness.
Toward the end of the video, Fletcher talks about healing: building a relationship with yourself, recognizing triggers in relationships, healing shame, and learning to shift from the limbic brainâwhere impulses and distortions liveâback into the cortex, where rational thought can guide us. He speaks about inner child work and tools for handling conflict. It felt like a roadmap.
Thank you so much for recommending this video. Iâd love to share it with others who struggle with fear of abandonment or abandonment anxiety. You and I are definitely not alone in this.
Warmly, Anita
July 18, 2025 at 10:05 am in reply to: Should I Forget about him, or was he the one that got away? #447763
anitaParticipantDear Emma:
Reading your message, I can feel how heavy things are for you right now, and I really admire how honest and thoughtful you are, even when it hurts. Youâre doing such deep emotional work, and that takes real courage.
From what you wrote, I hear a few big things:
* Youâre dealing with fear of abandonment, which makes it hard to set boundaries or stay in relationships. You often leave before someone else can.
* You feel guilty when you set boundaries, especially if you think someone might be hurt. And when others set boundaries with you, it feels painful tooâalmost like rejection.
* Youâve lost relationships and chances at work because you assumed people would leave or think you werenât good enough.
* Youâre grieving Philip, and it hurts even more because you feel like it was your fault. That kind of self-blame makes the sadness even deeper.
* You feel overwhelmed by contact with your mom, even when the conversation seems light. Itâs like her presence takes up too much space inside you, and youâre trying to find room to breathe.
* You want to be accepted as you are, but youâre afraid that if people really see you, they might leave.
These are painful patterns, but youâre facing them with honesty, Emma. That matters so much.
Here are the questions you asked me, and my answers:
1) âCould it also have to do with your father leaving you? Just like me, an abandonment wound?â- Not that Iâm aware of. My parents divorced when I was about six, and my father moved out. I have no memory of him living with me and my mother, except for oneâan argument between them. I donât have any positive memories of him as part of the family, so there was nothing to miss when he left. If I carry an abandonment wound, I believe it comes from my mother. Too often, she treated me like âthe otherââas if I were a stranger, or even an enemy she needed to guard herself against.
2) âAlso because I recognize the wanting to pleaseâŚin order for people to please not leave you. That is such a painful feeling, right..â- Yes, I know that feeling very well. To avoid my motherâs anger, shaming, and blaming, I shrank myself so much that I lost touch with my boundaries altogether. I became like a puppetâmy movements were not my own, but determined by other people and circumstances. Even when I heard ânoâ in my mind, I wouldnât speak it. I just stayed silent.
In my mind, growing up (growing “in”, more accurately), my mothers’ emotions were everything. She took ALL the space. She was loud, talked a lot.. lots of self-pity, histrionics. So, there was no space for my emotions, for my thoughts, and I was afraid that any expression on my part will trigger her.. so I suppressed and hid so much of myself.
3) âHow are you now, do you feel like you can be yourself a bit more?â- Let me give you a small example. Iâve had a persistent issue with my computer and couldnât fix it on my own. For weeks, I didnât ask anyone for help because I didnât want to inconvenience anyone or cause stress. But this morning, I did askâand I felt proud. The issue still isnât resolved, but that small action marked a shift. It was a step away from self-abandonment, a step toward building a new habit. Asking for help part of asserting myself, an act of taking space.
4) âIs it for you that usually something has happened, or is it when they come too close?â- Itâs usually when someone gets too close. That emotional closeness feels dangerousâlike they might suddenly see through me.. see that I am not worthy of their trust or affection, and turn against me. So I withdraw before that can happen, hoping to avoid the hurt.
I think that I’m afraid that other people will see me the way my mother saw me: someone who is not good-enough, someone who deserves to be shamed and guilted and.. well someone (using my mothers words), someone who is “A Big Zero”.
5) âHow did she react? If I may ask.â- When I was younger, my mother would slap me across the face as she shame me with her words. I remember one time she said, âThe only thing I like about you is that, when I hit you, you look down at the floor and donât talk back.â Years later, in my early twenties, she charged at me again, arms raised to hit. But that time, I reached out and grabbed her hands to stop her. I didnât hurt herâI just applied enough pressure to hold her back. She went limp, backed off. And she never tried to hit me again.
6) âBut I think it was not right for her to teach you that, right..? How else is a person to feel safe in this world?â- I donât blame her for being suspiciousâher own childhood was full of betrayal. But I also see how harmful that message was for me. If only she had trusted me, even while distrusting the rest of the world, that could have given me a safe place to land. But she didnât. She saw me as a threat tooâand that left me without any safe space at all.
A few things I wanted to add before closingâŚ
Youâve been navigating so much, Emmaâwith your parents, with Philip, and inside yourselfâand I truly admire your strength. The fact that youâre doing therapy, seeking out insights, and trying to understand your patterns is remarkable. Thatâs not just healing; itâs leadership. You’re leading your inner life toward something freer, more honest, and more peaceful.
About your parents: I think your instinct to limit contact and create space is wise. Youâre not doing it to be cruelâyouâre doing it to breathe, to heal, to hear your own voice. Guilt may still show up, but it doesnât mean youâre wrong. It means youâre stretching beyond old conditioning. You donât owe anyone constant access to youâespecially when it comes at the cost of your peace.
And about Philipâ I wonder if part of what makes the bond with him feel so special now is the space between you and him. If you were to reconnect, that space might close, and the reality of the relationship, the closenessâcould stir up the same old fears. This cycleâidealization, closeness, fear, withdrawalâis something many people go through while healing from attachment injuries. Itâs not a flaw in who you are. Itâs a pattern rooted in past pain.
And still, your sadness is valid. Your longing is valid. Your grief makes sense, because this wasnât just a breakupâit was the loss of something that felt meaningful and safe, at least in moments. I know it hurts, especially when it feels like your own patterns pushed him away. But even this hurt can be part of your healing. Youâre learning what needs attention. What needs tenderness. Whatâs ready to shiftânot because youâre broken, but because youâre growing.
Youâre doing the work. And that matters so much.
Sending you warm hugs đ¤ Anita
anitaParticipantJournaling this Thurs night- not dark yet, close to 9 pm- not even close to being dark. Birds Loud, Living, Singing-
Today, I thought I looked good, young-enough, very tanned, slender, muscular (107-8 lbs. at 5’5”, physically working every day).. wrinkles less showing on very tanned skin.. Lighting was just right.. (was at the local taproom).
S.O.C.I.A.L.I.Z.I.N.G.. oh, how much I love to socializing!!!!!!!
Didn’t feel OLD. Felt Y.O.U.N.G.
A precious feeling.. Feeling Young when.. officially, not young anymore.
A couple of people, men.. noticed me, noticed me. Not Old.
Listening to an Israeli song on YouTube: “Ani Ve’Ata Neshane et Ha”olam”- meaning,: you and I will change the world.
If you are reading this.. can you and I.. change the world?
Ani Ve’ Ata, can we make the world a little bit better.. Peter?
I wish I knew you better, Peter, in a personal way.. like how do you look like.. How tall are you, what color is your hair.. grey? The color of your eyes.. what is it?
Mine is brown with green in it.. and my hair, haven’t dyed it in.. what.. ten years.. It’s black with lots of White..
I got to be Old before I got to be Young..
And then, here I am Young-Old..
Anita
anitaParticipantHi Confusedasf:
Thank you for your messageâit means a lot. Iâm really glad our conversations have supported your healing, and Iâm proud of you for choosing to keep moving forward, even when itâs hard.
Whatever comes next, I believe in your growth. Whether we cross paths again or not, Iâll be cheering you on. Please take it one day, one step at a time, patiently. You deserve peace and healing.
Take care of yourself đ
With love, Anita
anitaParticipantHi Alessa:
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful message. It really helped me feel seen.
Youâre rightâIâm not my mother. I carry the pain, but Iâm working hard to heal and take responsibility. Your words reminded me that remorse matters, and that change is possible.
Iâm really glad youâre feeling better after Covid. Sending love and gratitude your way. â¤ď¸â¤ď¸â¤ď¸
Warmly, Anita
anitaParticipantThank you so much, Alessa- you are so good at giving emotional support!!!
Sory you had Covid..
I’ll write more tonight or in the morning (Thurs afternoon here, dreadfully hot, no A.C.
Anita
anitaParticipantThank you for caring to explain further, Peter! I appreciate your efforts and I will try to understand better tomorrow.
Anita
July 17, 2025 at 2:33 pm in reply to: Should I Forget about him, or was he the one that got away? #447740
anitaParticipantDear Emma:
I am glad to read back from you, but sorry you feel so tired and tense. I read only the beginning and ending of your message but will read attentively tomorrow morning.. or later tonight. When I read “warmest hugs!”- I thought: I need cool hugs, very cool- it’s so hot here (and no air conditioning). Back to you later..
Coolest hugs!
Anita
anitaParticipantPeter: thank you! I will need a refreshed brain to process best I can- Fri morning (Thursday afternoon here, almost dreadfully hot as yesterday âď¸đĽ
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Itâs so good to see you backâwelcome! Youâve been missed this past week â¤ď¸
Your post was thoughtful and full of insight. I really liked how you connected your sonâs momentâtrying to clean up the messâto bigger ideas about how we grow and learn. Itâs true: being a child means constantly learning rules we donât know yet, and being watched while we figure things out. That can be hard.
What you said about the sense of self forming through other people really stood out to me. Itâs sad but trueâwhen weâre rejected as children, it doesnât just hurt, it shapes how we see ourselves. That feeling of failure can sink deep.
I also loved this line: âBeing alone is a story we tell ourselves so we can better understand others.â Thatâs such a gentle way to look at lonelinessânot as something broken, but as something that helps us grow and connect.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. You brought a lot of warmth and wisdom to the conversation. I hope you keep postingâyour voice adds something special here.
With care, Anita đ¤
anitaParticipantDouble posting above…
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
“Camus defines the absurd as the tension between our deep longing for meaning and the universeâs silence… He insists on staying with the absurd… refusing to resolve it or fix it… refusing to resolve it or fix (the tension).”-
As in to accept the things we cannot change (the tension) and the courage to change the things we can (the resistance ?
anitaParticipantDear Ada:
Your emotions are definitely valid.
You asked: âSo if I donât believe that he has romantic feelings for her, isnât it my own selfishness that is preventing me from accepting him on this?… besides this issue with Sarah, our relationship has been emotionally vulnerable, honest, and loving… he doesnât feel romantic feelings for her. So if I believe this about Sam, does it even matter that I consider it romantic? Am I the one who is not able to honor his feelings due to my own selfishness?â-
No, I donât believe itâs selfishness. I think this is about what your heart needs in order to feel safe and deeply chosen. Itâs about how wide your definition of love can stretch without losing you in the process.
Iâve struggled with this too. Iâm emotionally conservative and traditional. Sharing someone I care deeply forâwhether emotionally or otherwiseâstill hurts. Even in love, I find myself wishing I could be someoneâs only emotional home.
But life keeps showing me: you canât stamp your name on someoneâs heart and expect exclusivity in every emotional corner. Weâre all messy, layered beings. No one belongs entirely to another.
I know a man who is so very honest, full of integrity, more than anyone I know. He’s married and he loves his wife.. Yet I see that glitter in his eyes sometimes when he talks to an attractive woman who shows him affection.. (in a public setting where his wife is present). He can’t help his emotions. There is a longing that people have- often born in childhood- that no one person can satisfy every moment of the day or night.
What do you think, Ada, about what I wrote here?
With care, Anita đ¤
anitaParticipantHi Peter:
You wrote, âMy family would reject most of what I have written and not understood.â- They wouldâbecause they already did..?
That line felt so familiar. When those closest to us can’t witness our inner world, the ache folds in deeper.
Then you quietly offered: â(I sleep a little better and handle panic attacks a little better)â- I donât remember you mentioning panic attacks before. And placing it in parenthesesâit struck me. Maybe itâs something you want quietly known, not spotlighted. Still, I saw it. And Iâm gladâtrulyâthat sleep and those waves are just a little softer now.
âI have lived in that space waiting for someone to paint the brushstrokesâŚâ- Me too.
âIf only I could see myselfâŚâ- When a child isnât seen for too long, darkness settles inside. Living gets put on pause until someone kind enough notices the child-in-the-dark and gently turns on the light. The child doesnât even know where the switch isâitâs too dark to look.
Back on July 17, 2018âexactly seven years ago- you wrote: âFor the longest time I was depressed about being depressed… Today I might say I have a relationship with depression. I no longer fear it.â-
I was diagnosed with major depression, prescribed with SSRIs for 16-17 years straight (1997-2013). What helped lift me was the slow practice of Expressing the Suppressedâthe stream-of-consciousness journaling that flows in my threads (and here)- because so much stayed buried for so long.
Surviving in the dark for so many, many years means suppressing not just feeling, but self. Survival is not thriving. Thriving is Expressing.
I just noticed that you submitted a new post in my own thread: âThe illusion isnât that the painting isnât real but that it forgets itâs on the canvas.â- Brilliant, Peter. Truly. Your stream flows with depth, and your brilliance lives in the current.
So I have a questionâmaybe itâs naĂŻve, or child-like: If emotions are the brushstrokes, and the canvas is what holds it allâalways thereâ Is the canvas like a steady, unchanging parent? A presence that doesnât leave? A super-parent? A God?
Oh.. and your newer post:… our descriptions point to the experience, but arenât the experience itselfâlike a painting of a sunset versus standing in it.
A part of us is beyond thought. We remember the wholeness, the stillness.. even through words that canât quite carry it…
The stillness we craved for, for too long… A safe place where we can rest..?
Anita đ¤
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