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anitaParticipant
Dear Brian:
I re-read this morning every word you shared in your various threads since your very first post on Jan 9, 2022, almost 2 years and 4 months ago. I learned that (I am boldfacing your words):
It is very, very important to you, in the context of social interactions, to be genuine, not fake, not a fraud, not robotic and dishonest. You prefer to not interact with people at all than to interact with people who are fake, robotic and dishonest about how they really feel, and you don’t want to reciprocate such fakeness.
You feel/ have felt disconnected from the society where you live because people are praised for their so-calledĀ positive interactions, which, being fake, are not really positive: “I really would rather someone not talk to me at all than say a few meaningless phrases out of obligation… saying ‘It was great talking to you’, when you didnāt enjoy the conversation is what Iām referring to“.
“Trying to fit into the social structures of a society has been a challenge for me… A long time ago, I decided to live by my own rules… If I donāt think youāre funny, I wont laugh. If I didnāt enjoy the conversation, I might wish them a good day, but I wont say that it was great talking to them“. You will not answer certain questions that people ask you, and the questions you answer, you will not answer in the ways you believe people expect you to answer.
“My intention is to simply seek input and possible solutions… I donāt mind new perspectives… How do you give a good impression without appearing disingenuous?… I wish supernatural beings would communicate with me. That would be cool. I just donāt think it has happened… Spiritual beings are welcome to communicate with me. I donāt think they have yet.“-
– “Being spiritual means seeking a meaningful connection with something bigger than yourself, which can result in positive emotions and wiser action” (an online definition). I will add to this definition, “which can result in genuine positive emotions”.
It’s almost like you gave up on having genuine connections with people, so you hope to connect with supernatural beings, or spiritual beings instead.
You are welcome to continue to be genuine here, in your thread, and I wish you to be genuine in-real-life, every day. Strange how I forgot, that for a long time, I was very troubled by the same thing, fakeness vs genuineness. When I caught myself smiling not because I felt like smiling, I stopped the smile. I hated being fake-nice to people, and I made sure that my face showed anger when I felt angry. Coming to think about it, as I am typing to you.. growing up (growing in is more accurate), I wasn’t allowed my own emotions, I was severely judged for my emotions, as in being a bad person for .. genuinely feeling this way, or that way. So, I turned my genuine emotions inward, pushing them down.
My mother was super nice to people most of the time, super-ingenuously nice, that is,Ā when in their company, flattering them, complimenting them, feeding them with the most expensive foods… and then she’d complain about them behind their backs, saying that they take advantage of her and hurt her feelings. When I suggested to her to stop being so nice to them, she said she couldn’t. When I offered to be not-nice to them myself, to speak up for her, she ragefully threatened to kill me.
And so, I was made to be quiet during hours and hours (through the years) of watching her sort of go belly up with fake, exaggerated niceness to people who, she claimed, were bad people. It was a torture for me. I remember how difficult, how uncomfortable it was to hold all my anger inside, without expressing it. I was angry at the people who she claimed were taking advantage of her, and I was angry at my mother for being so nice to them and never allowing me to do what was right and just: to make the supposed bad people go away, instead of being so nice to them.
Thank you, Brian, for making it possible for me to understand what I shared right above better than I ever did.
“How do you give a good impression without appearing disingenuous?“- maybe a lot of people are stuck (like my mother was, like I was.. and sometimes, still am) in ingenuity, and not liking it at all. If you model being genuine- in a friendly way though- it will encourage some other people to be genuine too.
anita
anitaParticipantRe-submitted:
Dear SadSoul:
āpermission to no longer suffer?āāĀ Ā I love this. I think I might be the tiniest bit headed in this directionā- I want you toĀ notĀ suffer, SadSoul. There is no advantage to you suffering. No benefit in it, not for anyone!
āOn the odd occasion I felt a flash of anger at them. I think Iām having the smallest seeds of, not exactly anger, but I think my son is very selfishā¦.Ā Also place some blame on his father for being so useless he has no idea. But at this moment my heart is not weighed down with any of themā- you being okay, feeling okay, is not less important than your son feeling okay. You matter just as much. Take care of your Soul. Sad Soul Matters!
āTrapped in the friendship. I loved her but I didnāt need her in the way she needed meā¦ I was the perfect yin to her yang, unable to say no, no matter how ludicrous her needs were. So there you have it, doormat SadSoul was the perfect match for her needy, demanding friend who couldnāt find a way to fill her soul up, so she filled it up with meā- she helped herself to you (see my thread).
āI love that song!ā- āI shot the sheriff/ But I didnāt shoot no deputy/ Oh, no, oh/ I shot the sheriff/ But I didnāt shoot no deputy/ Ooh, ooh, ooh, yeahā¦. I shot the sheriff (the sheriff)/ But I swear it was in self-defense (oh, no)/ Ooh, ooh, ooh (yeah)ā¦ā- singing with me?
āItās raining. So surprising. Iām going to have to take my washing in and wash it again, I think.Ā See you soon! In this land of cyber just in case that made you feel stalked and you were worrying about me knocking on your doorā-Ā ā it stopped raining here, 8:20 pm here, Monday night, I hear Sad Soul knocking on the door:Ā Sadsoul, I say,Ā You are here!Ā You are welcome here, Sad Soul! Here, you can sleep in this spare bedroom, see you in the morning, special breakfast for you. I promise!
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
“permission to no longer suffer?”–Ā I love this. I think I might be the tiniest bit headed in this direction“- I want you to not suffer, SadSoul. There is no advantage to you suffering. No benefit in it, not for anyone!
“On the odd occasion I felt a flash of anger at them. I think Iām having the smallest seeds of, not exactly anger, but I think my son is very selfish….Ā Also place some blame on his father for being so useless he has no idea. But at this moment my heart is not weighed down with any of them“- you being okay, feeling okay, is not less important than your son feeling okay. You matter just as much. Take care of your Soul. Sad Soul Matters!
“Trapped in the friendship. I loved her but I didnāt need her in the way she needed me… I was the perfect yin to her yang, unable to say no, no matter how ludicrous her needs were. So there you have it, doormat SadSoul was the perfect match for her needy, demanding friend who couldnāt find a way to fill her soul up, so she filled it up with me“- she helped herself to you (see my thread).
“I love that song!“- “I shot the sheriff/ But I didn’t shoot no deputy/ Oh, no, oh/ I shot the sheriff/ But I didn’t shoot no deputy/ Ooh, ooh, ooh, yeah…. I shot the sheriff (the sheriff)/ But I swear it was in self-defense (oh, no)/ Ooh, ooh, ooh (yeah)…”- singing with me?
“Itās raining. So surprising. Iām going to have to take my washing in and wash it again, I think.Ā See you soon! In this land of cyber just in case that made you feel stalked and you were worrying about me knocking on your door“-Ā – it stopped raining here, 8:20 pm here, Monday night, I hear Sad Soul knocking on the door: Sadsoul, I say, You are here!Ā You are welcome here, Sad Soul! Here, you can sleep in this spare bedroom, see you in the morning, special breakfast for you, I promise!
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
It’s naive/ not true to believe that hurt people don’t lie, that abused people don’t proceed to abuse others, that abuse doesn’t breed abuse. You see a hurt person and you want to help that person, only that they have been already helping themselves to you. To really help another person.. you have to stop them from helping themselves to you, taking advantage of you, lying..
For me to be honest with myself and with others, I have to detect deceit by others and keep myself honest with all.
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
That person lied to me, repeatedly. A child is not born with the ability to handle being lied to by anyone, let alone by one own’s mother. I was lied to. The Truth twisted in so many ways, all for the purpose of her winning a argument (an argument that I didn’t participate in). The thing about people who lie regularly, is that they don’t experience a conflict about it. In their minds, it’s not a problem, no cognitive dissonance. No guilt. They are beyond it, too troubled to bother with truth vs lie. They are Angry and that’s it. No value to guide their anger toward an ethical expression of some kind. Angry= all hell breaks loose.
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
There really is such a thing as Objective Truth = The Truth. Such as gravity. People who jump off a cliff will fall down and get hurt regardless of their beliefs about gravity, or their beliefs about their ability to resist gravity.
Not committing to any objective truth is living in fantasy, or it may be a matter of deceiving others.
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
I returned from an uneventful, light rain walk (my usual route, route 1), saw a couple of deer, and a couple of vehicles passing me by.
“the owner might not encounter people in his travels so never had this situation arise“- well, no one walks there (route 2) but me. I am the only one (a walking legend, if I may say so), so, there’s no reason to keep the dog on leash other than when I walk.
More tomorrow!
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
“Iām intrigued. What questions do you think I should be asking?“- intrigued by your question (quoted here), I thought and came up with this question: is it okay for me (SadSoul) to be okay with the way things are, with hardly any communication with my son?
Re-asked: is it okay for me, SadSoul, to give myself permission to feel okay about things as they are, permission to no longer suffer?
“In my life, love usually amounted to hurt… as they get older, and become adults they also hurt me, by the fact that they choose things that are selfish and hurtful… I do sometimes feel overly hurt ā not confused with my love for them though. Isnāt that odd?“- meaning that feeling hurt by your children is not followed by feeling anger at them?
“I had the loveliest most amazing couple of hours doing my favourite thing… my sport“- still wondering what it is, curious, curious me.
“Iām turning the light out earlier and trying. Iām eating better…“- good thing, taking care of your body. Take care of your soul too, SadSoul.
“a pot of whatever your heart desires, no biscuits Iām afraid, but a bit of company to see the day in or out”– I’ll take the offer, gratefully!
“My leading emotions in these dreams were hurt, and being trapped, and devastating disappointment. I think thereās something going on there..“- trapped in..?
“Oh no! Iām glad you had bear spray. Dogs should not roam and owners who let them should be attacked“- I sprayed the dog, not the owner (who was there, yelling at his dog). This reminds me of the lyrics to a song I like: I shot the sheriff, but I didn’t shoot the deputy.
“Sleep well and I look forward to the morning!“- I slept better but still exhausted, then had to travel to the city. Back now and soon to go for a walk in the rain (my regular route, not yesterday’s, so will not see the same dog).
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
The search for truth- what a refreshing endeavor, a refreshing motivation: to understand that which is true, however terrible it may be. Truth is my personal salvation, my rescue from confusion, suffering, shame, guilt and despair. Seeing Truth is my hope, it’s what I live for.
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
I am not focused, red wine in hand, long rainy day, a dog attacked me on my walk today, sprayed the dog with bear spray, not dangerous for the dog, just alarming enough for the dog to turn away. Had too much wine, talked too much, or did I.
I wasn’t born in the U.S., you know, English is my 3rd language. I have a yearning to tell more, to.. tell you more, to know more about you. I’ll read your post and reply further in Mon morning.
anita
May 5, 2024 at 9:23 am in reply to: Lonely Confused Depressed and reaching the end of my rope #432357anitaParticipantDear Nate:
I didn’t spend much time on your short original post yesterday and I want to try and do a better job responding this Sunday morning:
“No matter what I do I canāt find anybody who loves me or wants to love me and I have no idea what makes me so unlovable… I canāt figure out what makes me such an unlovable s*** who isnāt worthy of a partner or sex. Is it my body? is it my face? Everybody says itās not your fault, but it doesnāt make sense because if I get ghosted by 12 women itās not their fault???“-
– Traditionally, when it comes to dating, men initiate: they are the ones doing the asking, and women respond with a Yes or a No. This means that most men, if they take on the asking, get lots of No-s before they get a Yes, while women don’t get No-s because they are not the one doing the asking.
– You say that you were ghosted by 12 women. If you never met these women in real-life and they all ghosted you online (in a dating website perhaps), then being ghosted online is, unfortunately, a very common experience, it’s.. business as usual. How a person comes across online may be a problem: if one expresses an attitude of hostility or extensive self-pity, that is likely to turn people off.
– If you met these 12 women in real-life, on a date or a few dates, and then they ghosted you; again, how you come across to women may be a problem.Ā If you come across in ways that women find unattractive, there are ways for you to change the way you come across. For example, let’s say that on a date,Ā you say little and you don’t ask the woman any questions. The result: she may think that you are bored with her, and that you have no interest in getting to know her better. If so, even though you feel lonely, you come across as someone who is not social. In this example, you can learn to make small talk, and to ask questions so that the woman feels that you not bored with her, and that you are interested in getting to know her.
You ended your original post with: “I donāt know what to do and I’m in desperate need of someone to talk to“- please talk here, talk to me..?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Meatball:
You are welcome. “she texted saying that she ‘is all in and wants to do the work’“-
– On your first temporary breakup almost 9 years ago, she ghosted you for a few days and then reached out to you and told you that she missed you, that she was sorry, and that “she didnāt know why she fell into this feeling“- ask her now, 9 years later, if she knows why she fell into this feeling back then and repeatedly since. If she has no idea why, or is very vague about it, it’d mean, to me, that she never bothered to figure it out in 9 years, and therefore, she is not at all, all in and wants to do the work.
Like I suggested in my last post to you, since (you stated that) she has no money,Ā no credit to rent a place for herself, and since she has nowhere to go, it may be that she wants to stay living with you rent/ expense free. This may be her primary motivation. Are you okay with this possibility, or probability?
“Sheās been texting/ calling the entire weekend and wants to make things work.Ā I just donāt know what to do.“- you can tell her that you are willing to try and make things work after she moves out. See her response..?
I understand that your feelings are strong, that you are, as you stated, codependent, that in previous relationships, you “initiated the break-ups normally after meeting someone else“, and in your current relationship you haven’t met someone else yet; and I feel badly for her for not being able to live on her own. The question is, are you strong enough to do what’s right for all parties involved?
I believe that the right thing to do for all parties involved would be (1) to not have a physical-sexual relationship with her unless her motivation is not to exchange sex for a rent-free/ expenses-free living arrangement, (2) if she is willing, try and work on the relationship while not living together, first as friends only, (3) to work with her and with social services on finding a living arrangement for her and her daughter elsewhere (not in your house).
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
I don’t remember ever arguing with my mother.. I wouldn’t dare. I tried to explain myself many times, to create a moment of understanding between her and me.. oh, what a beautiful meeting-of-the-minds that would have been, a place to rest, a place to settle and take a deep, slow, much needed breath in. And out.
I didn’t argue, but she argued against my sincere explanations, accusing me of lying and making things up and trying to hurt her feelings. There was not to be an understanding between her and me, not a single Yes, we Understand each other moment.
I looked for the truth, I highly valued the truth; she didn’t. She cared about winning her arguments against me, and whatever it took to Win, that is, to Crush me.. that’s what she said. Whatever it took to hurt me, she said it. Truth was not a consideration.
It’s not that she purposefully misstated the truth, it’s that she didn’t care if she did or not. Truth vs Lie was not an issue for her. She simply said whatever it took for her to come up at the top, and me- at the bottom.
Submission of me, was the name of her game. Truth irrelevant.
I noticed I typed above “my mother”, not that person, not mother-monster, just.. my mother. For the child within-me, I must confess, she’ll always be my mother, simply because there was no other.. mother. She was the only one there.
Her legacy in my mind is that look in her eyes I remember seeing the last time I saw her in-person, that look that sends the strongest message: you (anita), you are a bad, bad, bad person!
Is this message true, was it true? It’s been my concern (is it true?). Not her concern. Her concern was to Win. For her to win, I had to Lose. (It’s an instinctual thing, not an ethical thing)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
I notice breath. Each breath a arising from Movement, and a return to Stillness. Each breath arising from Time and returning to Eternity. Each breath arising from Worry and returning to Calm. Each breath arising from Anger and returning to Love. Yes. Silence. Emptiness. Nothing gained. Nothing lost. Yes.
anita
May 4, 2024 at 10:18 am in reply to: growing up – becoming adul / procrastination – in connection to childhood trauma #432325anitaParticipantDear Robi:
“Iāve started a new second job here in Alicante ā in a beach bar…“- reads like fun, great environment!
“Is the grass always that much greener?“- it used to be that way for me, but I am finally living where I like to live, and I don’t care- at all- to go anywhere else, not even for a visit. I used to live by the beach for decades and didn’t feel at home there. Now I live in the woods, and the grass is literally greener here than anywhere else, lol.
“Now, Iām here in Alicante having 2 jobs but feeling lonely“- as adults, we re-live the emotional experience of difficult childhoods. As a child you were lonely=> as an adult you are lonely (until you change within, heal enough).
“I donāt need those parties and the alcohol to cover my wounds anymore, therefore Iāve ‘lost’ most of my friends (or drinking buddies ) too“- congratulations for losing your drinking buddies..! Looking at the title of your thread, you are indeed growing up!
“I live in Alicante with a friend of mine in a room I donāt like and I feel lonely. I miss my girlfriend… I feel a bit trapped to be honest.. trapped in a cage I myself created… And.. did I say friend? Iām not even sure about this anymore…”– you have to find friends in Alicante, true friends who don’t regularly drink.. Maybe in AA (Alcoholics Anonymous), if such exist there?
“Now.. Iāve recently started this new job. Itās actually pretty nice… Still I have doubts. I am not sure I want to stay here. Part of me feels like Iām forcing myself to stay here ā like Iām making my life harder. Honestly here I donāt seem to yet find more clarity. Very often Iād like to go back to Warsaw. Being away from my woman hurts.. Sheās been here for a few days visiting me last week and sheāll be back in 4 weeks…“- she visits you quite frequently. What does she say about your dilemma (whether to stay in Alicante or move back to Warsaw)?
Here’s an idea: commit to stay where you are for the rest of 2024, and don’t spend any time seriously considering leaving for the rest of this year. Put off the considering to Jan 2025.
“There isnāt much communication with my parents anymore“- that’s not a bad thing. A good thing.
“While I was living in Warsaw I wanted to move here. Maybe I thought it would be easier for her to come over here and now realising that might take a long timeā¦ it hit me. Donāt get me wrong. There are good things. I feel like Iām growing and doing a lot of work on the inside…Ā Iāve grown a lot”- the term growing pains come to mind. Endure it and focus on the positives, every day.
“Take good care Anita, I hope you too are doing fine and all is good there where you are!“- thank you, Robi. I am fine.. and so are you, you are doing very well. Take good care of yourself, Robi!
anita
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