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anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
“Repressed anger overwhelms me during the spiral… I will write another thread about the repressed anger tomorrow and if it is okay, can I also share one thread about my enraging thoughts that were occurring today“- yes, of course it’s okay.
“One more question, Anita. There is a recent development in my intrusive thoughts that first happened in the nightmare (mentioned by me a few days ago). I do not think if this forum would be the safest place to mention that“- while not sharing about the recent development here, can you tell me anything about why it’d be unsafe for you? (It’s okay if you don’t).
“how can I share it with you?“- since there is no private messaging option on this website, what are you suggesting?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Teni:
“Should I stay or end the relationship?“- if you stay in the relationship, he will be miserable, and you will be miserable. If you end the relationship, maybe you will find contentment elsewhere, alone and with someone else.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij: I was out all day and now, it’s Sun night here. I will read your recent post and reply Mon morning (my time)
anita
anitaParticipantRe-submitted:
Dear Kshitij:
“my intrusive thoughts add on to my difficulties… It is like a quagmire, all you need to put one foot over it and it will just swallow you in.“-
* Simplified, cognition = thinking, metacognition = thinking about thinking.
Today, I found out today (after reading a reply on the forums by Rosie) of a term called Cognitive Attentional Syndrome (CAS), and Metacognitive Therapy that goes along with it.
I read on the topic that CAS is an unhelpful style of thinking, a vicious cycle where one’s only focus is on one’s problems and the person feels worse as a consequence (the quagmire you mentioned yesterday). It’s about placing all of one’s attention on problems, overthinking pessimistically, and getting stuck. It’s a pattern of negative, pessimistic thoughts and painful emotions that the person can’t seem to let go of, a pattern that include rumination, worry and fixed attention.
The purpose of Metacognitive Therapy is 1) to discover what the suffering person believes about his/ her thoughts (it’s called Metacognitive Beliefs), 2) to show the person how his / her beliefs lead to unhelpful responses that unintentionally prolong and worsen the suffering, and 3) to provide alternative ways of responding that allow a reduction of the suffering.
What do you think/ feel about the above, Kshitij?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
“my intrusive thoughts add on to my difficulties… It is like a quagmire, all you need to put one foot over it and it will just swallow you in.“-
* Simplified, cognition = thinking, metacognition = thinking about thinking.
Today, I found out today (after reading a reply on the forums by Rosie) of a term called Cognitive Attentional Syndrome (CAS), and Metacognitive Therapy that goes along with it.
<p class=”jsx-3897347038 c–grey-neutral-800″>I read on the topic that CAS is an unhelpful style of thinking, a vicious cycle where one’s only focus is on one’s problems and the person feels worse as a consequence (the quagmire you mentioned yesterday). It’s about placing all of one’s attention on problems, overthinking pessimistically, and getting stuck. It’s a pattern of negative, pessimistic thoughts and painful emotions that the person can’t seem to let go of, a pattern that include rumination, worry and fixed attention.</p>
The purpose of Metacognitive Therapy is 1) to discover what the suffering person believes about his/ her thoughts (it’s called Metacognitive Beliefs), 2) to show the person how his / her beliefs lead to unhelpful responses that unintentionally prolong and worsen the suffering, and 3) to provide alternative ways of responding that allow a reduction of the suffering.What do you think/ feel about the above, Kshitij?
anita
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anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
By ritual I meant routine, a bedtime routine, so that you do the same things at bedtime. Similar to suggesting a daytime routine earlier, it’s helpful for anxious people. I have my daily routine.
I wish no quagmires for you, Kshitij, a quagmire-free life, day and night.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Peter:
Thank you for the compliment. The Heart Sutra you quoted is indeed very related to the reflections of the Blank Canvas. The emptiness in the canvas (lack of pained form, colors, textures) and the emptiness talked about in the heart Sutra is a very calming reality for me, calming to my otherwise over-active brain. I can sense now, not what will be, but what is eternally (no time). Rushing to fill emptiness (with forms, colors, textures, sounds, flavors, fragrances) is suffering; Accepting emptiness is calming, it brings relief.
I breathe in Emptiness.
anita
anitaParticipantDear peter:
We cannot see Eternity and Stillness with our temporal, temporary eyes. But we can see it with our.. spiritual, eternal eyes, and find comfort in it when sick, in pain, when faced with the death of one’s personal Time and Movement.
Practice the transfer now by breathing in Eternity and Stillness and breathing out Time and Movement- is what I will do today.
Thank you for this thread, Peter!
anita
anitaParticipantAbde/ Anonymous:
“Anita – Nice attempt to draw out an attack against me, let me tell you. you were not successful… This was a sure attempt to attack me personally… Thank you for this perspective“- interesting that you thank me for this perspective that you perceive to be a personal attack on you.
“I am here to seek closure and thanks for all your feedback, really appreciate. The online messages will not portray the pain that I have gone through, at least doesn’t seem like you acknowledge“- interesting that you really appreciate feedback that you perceive to be unempathetic to your pain.
And right after the above messages of gratitude and real appreciation, you deleted your account.
From your original post: “I texted her to say sorry and asker her forgiveness… saying that she had every right to be upset and at the end wrote: ‘Enjoy your day’ She got upset and thought this was very insensitive from my side. And then this statement broke my heart (I don’t know if she was nicely insulting me: ‘Stay happy with your Corporate IQ – that’s all I can say’“- you apologized to Muns for lying to her- for approx.., 1.5 months- about being separated from your wife, and ended your apology with “enjoy your day”, because saying “enjoy your day” is something you habitually say to people on a call as an IT professional, even or particularly in calls that include conflict or disagreements, it’s a way to end a call pleasantly and facilitate/ encourage future calls.
So, you apologized to Mun and ended your apology the way you’d end a IT call, pleasantly but incongruently with the apology, because Muns was very hurt by your lie, and wishing her, in the same apology-message, to .. jump from deep hurt to joy is invalidating to her hurt.
I think I understand her comment now, about your Corporate IQ.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Mr. A:
You shared that for the last 3 years you tried to reduce your wife’s weight through “support, ultimatums, love, co-workouts, etc.“, but your efforts failed.
Your feelings about her weight and the repeated failed efforts: “a lot of anxiety, stress and resentment/ anger… My interest levels of physical intimacy are low“.
You thought about separating from her, but you “find it impossible to live alone (due to nature of work and life in Mumbai, India)“. You also “tried to let go off this weight issue saying that it is her control and not mine“, but you can’t, or won’t let it go.
Your goals: (1) to have a wife who looks and feels good, (2) to feel good yourself and to be more attracted to her sexually, (3) to have a healthy child, (4) to have a better social status, (5) to have a healthy wife: “I want her to look and feel good… I want to be more attracted towards her sexually… Help me become happier… I worry if she does get pregnant, then the child might not be healthy … not having a child, social status and her health issues (in future due to obesity) will affect me profoundly”.
You share that one of you is 33, the other 35, you work out 10-12 days a month, she does not like to exercise and does little of it. She tried Keto and IF (Intermittent Fasting), lost weight and gained it back. She says that “she isn’t able to lose weight due to lack of consistency and discipline“. All medical tests reveal that she is physically healthy, no abnormalities in test reports.
“I am asking you to take a look at this and suggest me what should I change or avoid or do differently to lead a life and achieve my life goals… Let me know your thoughts to deal with this!“-
I’ll start with feelings, with what you feel and with what your wife might be feeling: there is no such thing as good feeling (as in a morally correct/ acceptable feeling), and bad feelings (as in a morally incorrect/ unacceptable feeling). We don’t choose our feelings; therefore, there is no moral responsibility for what we feel. In yet other words: we are not good or bad people because of how we feel.
We are good or bad people because of what we choose to say and do (our spoken/ typed words and our actions). What we choose to focus on in life (our values) leads to our chosen words and actions.
Therefore, all that you are feeling on the topic of your wife’s weight is okay to feel. All that she is feeling is okay to feel.
Now, lets look at words and actions: first, the easy part- giving a person an Ultimatum when it comes to losing weight is the last thing that can be effective. If she loses weight because of an ultimatum, it will be a short-term loss, but her trust in you and in the marriage will be lost long-term. There need to be no ultimatums and no threats, no aggression at all.
Second, what may work is (more) Empathy: your empathy for her, and her empathy for you, since you are both suffering. I read about your suffering and (although I don’t know you irl), I feel badly that you are suffering and I wish that you will feel much better, and soon.
I imagine that she is suffering too: she tried may times, and tried hard, to lose weight, in a large part, I imagine, so to satisfy you, and she failed. She knows how you feel about her weight: how is it for her to go through life every day, for 3 years, knowing how you feel about her weight, feeling defined by her weight?
Mr. A, what if you shift your focus away from her weight, and redirect your focus to her core essence, to who she is: what she feels, what she needs, what she wants; her thoughts, her feelings, her perceptions, her struggles..?
If she feels seen, understood, cared for as a whole person (not as a part-person, or a project, such as a lose-weight-project), she is likely to be able to have the consistency and discipline required to succeed in her chosen objectives.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Lisa:
It is absolutely fine to quote from the bible. I quoted the same scripture you did in my past replies to other members. Love is patient and kind. It is not envious, not boastful, not arrogant. As I just typed these words I let them sink in. It’s good to start the day with these words, this scripture, so thank you, Lisa, for bringing it to my attention this Thurs morning.
I learned, when I went over my past replies to you (the June 6 reply on this page) that being patient and kind with you means, here on your thread, for me to say nothing to you that may sound like criticism, including any disagreeing with, or challenging what you say. Therefore, I promise you, that if and when you post again, there will be absolutely no disagreeing and no challenging of your thoughts, feelings, perceptions, etc., on my part!
“Thank you for your response also on the 17th Anita. I am glad to hear that you are not ‘alone.’“- you are welcome, and thank you!
anita
anitaParticipantThank you, SadSoul!
anita
anitaParticipantContinued:
Ice on my left shoulder, still hurting, and because it’s hurting, I’m automatically contracting the muscles there, raising my left shoulder, tensing it, twitching it, making it hurt more. Will the pain and pain-cycle ever stop? Will I ever be free from left-shoulder pain??? Or is it forever? I am trying to relax the shoulder, but it keeps going up. It’s the habits of the body, the habits of the brain that are not under the dominion of logic, of.. common sense, which is not at all common when it comes to instinctual responses of body and brain.
We can logic-think.. but we operate like instinctual, logic-less animals.
Ah, the quest of the animal to be god.
Here it is, rising, twitching yet again, while I don’t want it to!
Sh.. sh.. shoulder, calm down.
I posted yesterday while listening to some music. This evening, I will sing (yes), and I will sing in Hebrew just because I feel like it, so here it is: Avir harim tsalool kayayin, veraich oranim, naso nisa leyrooshalaim, bederech yericho. yerushalaim shel zahav, veshel nechoshet veshel or, halolechol sheeiraich, ani kinor.
Translation: the air of the mountains is as pure as wine, and the smell is of pine trees, we are traveling to Jerusalem by way of Jericho. Jerusalem of gold, and of copper and of light, for al of your songs, I am a fiddle. (I am translating my best, not relying on any online source).
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
Better that you have a night time routine/ ritual where the same things happen every night, before and as you go to bed: nothing new/ nothing out of the routine, so fewer chances for triggers. I hope you are sleeping restfully right now, Thurs 2:20 am, and that if you wake up before morning, that you are calm, and go back to sleep.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshiti:
It’s 1:32 am now, 47 minutes after you posted. Are you still awake, how are you feeling now?
anita
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