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anitaParticipantDear Peter:
As I read your profound insights and the quotes you included, I find myself- as i often do- developing my own thoughts alongside them.
“I can hear myself saying âfamily canât help family.â I do not recall the events leading up to that realization⌠or maybe I do⌔ â Perhaps the mind shields itself from painful or complicated memories, hesitating to fully confront and process the events.
For the longest time, I didnât remember that my mother found pleasure in seeing her shaming words register on my face. When that memory resurfaced about a year ago, I saw her more as a villainâa further shift from viewing her as a victim to seeing her as a victimizer. Over the past couple of days, as my anger seems to have untangled, I no longer view her solely as a victim or a victimizer. I see her as both. And now, instead of anger, I feel compassion for her.
“In trying to help family our âghostsâ canât help themselves from âplayingâ and haunting, triggering old pains. Pain that only distance is capable of seeing⌔ â I am learning that recognizing and working through my own emotional pain is critical to ensuring that I donât unintentionally complicate or hinder a family memberâs healing process.
Acknowledging my emotional pain helps me differentiate my feelings from theirs, preventing projection. If my pain remains overwhelming or unresolved, it blurs boundariesâcausing me to take their pain too deeply or feel drained in my attempts to help. Addressing my own pain makes it possible for me to be present without overextending myself.
Unresolved pain can cause me to dismiss, amplify, or misinterpret a family memberâs feelings. By working on my healing, I can empathize genuinely, without reacting from my own hurt.
Demonstrating emotional resilience and awareness may create an example for loved onesâshowing them the importance of personal growth and the value of addressing their own challenges.
Supporting someone doesnât mean âfixingâ their painâit often means simply witnessing and validating their experience. When I work through my own emotional pain, I am better equipped to offer this kind of nonjudgmental support.
“I wonder if in such moments witnessing is the role left to us, perhaps to acknowledge the âtears in thingsâ⌠doesnât feel enough. The Hawaiian ritual Hoâoponopono coming to mind as memory of family, mother, father arise⌠I love you; I thank you; I forgive you, please forgive me⌔ â Witnessing their pain means being present, empathetic, and nonjudgmentalânot trying to fix or change the situation, but simply acknowledging it.
“I recently came across a Youtube video â Like Stories of Old â âWhy We Canât Save Those We Loveâ that explores this notion. That in the stories we tell and witness we are not alone⌠Itâs worth watching.” â For some reason, I feel reluctant to watch it. Maybe I will. As to the question, âWhy canât we save those we love?â an answer that comes to mind is that we care too much. The saying, âanything in moderation,â seems relevant. How do I not care too much? By resolving further my own pain.
“It is true we can seldom help those closest to us.” â Our own unresolved issues and emotionsâour âghostsââoften resurface. These ghosts can unconsciously shape how we perceive and respond to their struggles, complicating the situation rather than helping it. In close relationships, blurred boundaries can make it difficult to differentiate between their pain and our own, leading to either overinvolvement or detachmentâboth of which are counterproductive.
Even with the best intentions, our ability to help is limited because no one can truly âfixâ someone elseâs inner struggles. We can offer support, but the work must be done by the individual themselves.
“Either we donât know what part of ourselves to give or, more often than not, the part we have to give is not wanted.” â Even with the best intentions, the support we provide may not align with what the person actually needs or is ready to accept. For instance, offering advice when they only want someone to listen, expressing concern when they perceive it as judgment, or taking action when it feels patronizing. This makes me think that the most effective way to help is to simply be presentâbearing witness to their experience and respecting their autonomy to heal in their own way.
“And so, it is those we live with and should know who elude us. But we can still love them â we can love completely without complete understanding.” â This highlights the individuality of human beings. No matter how close we are, there will always be elements of mystery in relationships. While complete understanding may elude us, it doesnât have to limit our ability to love fully. Love isnât conditional on perfect comprehension; it is rooted in acceptance, empathy, and presence.
“What I saw might have been just another winter scene, although an impressive one. But what I knew was that the earth underneath was alive and that by tomorrow, certainly by the day after, it would be all green again. So, what I saw because of what I knew was a kind of death with the marvelous promise⌔ â Maclean beautifully reflects on the contrast between the apparent âdeathâ of winter and the vibrant life hidden beneath it. By recognizing the earthâs cyclical transformation, he captures the promise of renewal.
The strangest thing just happened. I just felt something entirely new: a sadness, a goodbye to the winter of my lifeâ a goodbye to the old me. I felt as though I will miss the old me, however painful my life has been, because it will soon be gone. This transformationâfrom anger to compassion, from duality (this OR that) to inclusivenessâmarks the death of the self Iâve known and experienced until now. I will miss me. strange..?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
I can see how much thought and care youâre putting into understanding yourself and your relationships, and thatâs truly admirable.
As I read your post, I noticed how it reflects some of the themes weâve discussed in the past, particularly around anxious-avoidant attachment. I went back to some of our earlier communications and found even more commonalities between your experiences and mine. This will be a long post, and I hope you have the time and patience to read it.
You shared last year: “My father was very explosive (emotionally). He would force me to go eat breakfast with him, but there were times when I didnât want to, to the point I cried really hard wondering why he was forcing me to do something I didnât want to. He had a problem when people got emotional or cried, and I still remember that he scolded me for crying. He couldnât tolerate people having vulnerable emotionsâhe would go head-to-head and get very confrontational or explosive. This happened with… basically anyone who was against him (even the slightest). He was also very judgmental… he called me useless and a loser because I didnât get married. It was so hurtful for me, I almost ran away from home that time. So, from a young age, I learned to hide my emotions… I swallowed my emotions and didnât let [my girlfriend] know when I was sad. When she came home late, I didnât often text or call her because I didnât want to upset her. Once she got home, she realized I was upset and was caught by surprise.”
Like your father, my mother was also emotionally explosive, confrontational, and intolerant of vulnerability on my part. Her behavior created an environment where my emotions were met with scorn and punishment rather than understanding. From a young age, I learned that expressing my feelings was dangerous and would lead to rejection or conflict.
I can also relate to the pattern of control you described. My motherâs disregard for my autonomy left me feeling helpless and resentful. Your fatherâs judgmental words, such as calling you âuselessâ and a âloser,â are painfully similar to my mother calling me âa big zero.â Such comments deeply damage a childâs sense of self-worth, reinforcing the belief that love and approval are conditional on meeting impossible expectations.
Growing up in environments where emotions were invalidated or punished led both of us to suppress our feelings and deal with them alone. We learned to hide our emotions as a defense mechanism. In adulthood, this carried over into relationships. For example, you mentioned not texting or calling your ex when you felt upset because you didnât want to upset her. This fear of expressing emotions and the resulting miscommunicationâwhere your partner didnât realize you were upsetâties back to your early conditioning that expressing emotions is dangerous. But as youâve likely noticed, suppressed emotions donât stay buried; they eventually erupt, sometimes in ways that harm relationships.
Your fatherâs unpredictability and emotional volatility shaped your anxious-avoidant attachment style, just as my motherâs behavior shaped mine. The combination of suppressed emotions and internalized fears has led to patterns of emotional withdrawal or intense reactions in relationshipsâsomething I can deeply relate to.
What stands out to me, though, is your resilience and self-awareness. Youâve been actively reflecting on these patterns and working to understand and improve yourself, and thatâs truly inspiring. It reminds me that, even though these early influences left a mark, we both have the capacity to grow, heal, and build healthier relationshipsâwith others and, most importantly, with ourselves.
Your kindness, responsibility, and empathy shine through every time you share, Clara. These are such powerful strengths, even as you navigate challenges like anxiety and emotional struggles. The fact that youâre asking, âHow do I accept myself and handle these?â is a huge step toward building a healthier relationship with yourself. Your willingness to move forward with understanding and self-compassion is such a beautiful thing.
In terms of changing the habit of suppressing emotions to a new habit of expressing them, I am finding it helpful to type out my emotions as they are, right here on the forumsâwithout giving in to my old tendency to intellectualize. Just letting the raw emotions flow onto the page. Is this something you would like to explore more, perhaps using your thread for this purpose?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith đ¸
Itâs important to remember that your health matters, and Islam makes room for compassion and flexibility in such situations. I just looked up a couple of quotes on the matter:
“My mercy encompasses all things” (Qur’an 7:156)- This verse highlights Allah’s boundless mercy and serves as a reminder that compassion is central to Islamic teachings. Compassion includes self-compassion.
“Allah does not burden a soul beyond that it can bear” (Qur’an 2:286)- This verse reflects the understanding and flexibility in Islam, acknowledging individual limitations and encouraging self-compassion.
Trying your best under the circumstances is enough, Zenith, and it doesnât make you a bad Muslimâit makes you human.
Be kind to yourself, and know that your efforts and intentions are meaningful. I hope you can find peace and let go of guilt as you continue on this journey. Sending you support and encouragement. â¤ď¸
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jana đ¸
I deeply admire your independence and the way you have embraced your inner world and nature as your anchorâitâs truly inspiring. Before I dive into my response, I want to explain why Iâll be quoting parts of your post and reflecting on them in relation to my own experiences. Private journaling doesnât motivate me, but responding to thoughtful posts like yours sparks meaningful reflections about my story. What you have shared serves as a powerful catalyst for deeper introspection and helps me process my thoughts in a way that feels authentic and connected.
You wrote: “When you are released into the world as a child, like an animal into the wild (đ), there is nothing left to do but rely on yourself.”- That is so beautifully said. For me, it felt as though I was released into the world with a tight leash around my neck, held firmly by my mother, preventing me from exploring freely or embracing the wildness of being myself. Reading your words, it feels like you didnât experience that restraint and were able to embrace true freedom when in nature. Iâm happy for you.
“I was happy to be free.”- I always dreamed of being free, but that freedom only existed in my daydreams. Mentally, I was confined within a prison, unable to experience the freedom I so deeply longed for.
“And I had a lot of space to become myself. đ -> đŚ”- Jana the butterfly đ! Interestingly, I was reflecting on this metaphor just yesterday. I thought about how I had been stuck in a cocoon for over half a century, and how, only recently, I began the transformation into a butterfly. The joy and freedom captured in my photo reflect this transformative process.
“I didnât see my mom as my ‘center’. My center was the world outside in nature and my inner world. And it still is.”- Unfortunately for me, my motherâthrough her combination of personality disordersâcrushed my center, leaving me to rebuild it piece by piece now.
“She is a completely different person with a different mindset. I respect it but I donât allow it to define me.”- There has to be an “I” to define or not define oneself, and that “I” was taken away from me for a long time.
“I mean her criticism, for example, doesnât affect me at all. It is only her opinion, nothing else. I donât need her approval… I can only help her a little, with compassion and nice words, but it is all up to her in the end.”- You have achieved such a healthy balance between maintaining your boundaries and expressing compassion for your motherâitâs truly admirable. In my case, my compassion for my mother was often misused. She used it to hurt my feelings, shame me, and guilt-trip me at great lengths.
“Itâs great to read that you are happy and ready to become more open to others. âď¸ â¤ď¸”- Thank you, Jana. When I wrote my post to you yesterday, I made sure to focus on connection rather than theory or intellectualizing. Despite that, I was afraid you might be upset with it, find fault, or even attack me in your response. I had to remind myself that this isnât who you are. I kept reassuring myself, âItâs not likely,â but doubt lingered.
This fear reflects how muchâand how oftenâmy mother attacked me. If I didnât say things exactly as she thought I should, if my wording didnât suit her, if I failed to say something she expected, or even if my facial expression displeased her, she would lash out. There was no way for me to predict her reactions or figure out what to say to avoid them. This left me doubting myself constantly, second-guessing and revising my thoughtsârephrasing, rearranging, trying to get it “right.”
Being criticized for non-offenses, like unintended expressions or word choices, deeply affected me. It undermined my self-confidence and created persistent self-doubt. I became hyper-vigilant and anxious, monitoring my words, facial expressions, and behaviors to avoid disapproval. It made it difficult to trust my own instincts and emotions. Over time, this led to people-pleasing tendencies and the suppression of my personal needs, to the point where I couldnât identify them anymore. It fostered a fear of rejection and left me overanalyzing interactions.
I hope itâs okay with you that I quoted parts of your post and shared my story in relation to what youâve written. Please let me know if this way of interacting feels right to youâI deeply value our dialogue and your insight.
Thank you so much for sharing so openly, Jana. Iâm grateful for the meaningful exchange we have, and for the positive impact your words continue to have on my reflections. â¤ď¸
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jana:
đ¸ Thank you so much for your kind words! Iâm deeply grateful for your warmth and support. Itâs so encouraging to know that my photo expressed joy and freedom. Your happiness for me is heartwarming, and I appreciate it more than I can express. â¤ď¸
Iâll be posting a reply to your earlier message soon, as your reflections deserve my full attention. Thank you again for being such a genuine and caring presence in my journey! đ
anita
anitaParticipantAw, thank you, Zenith! Your excitement makes me even more excited to share it! đ Youâre the best! I am getting help with uploading the photo at the moment.
anita
anitaParticipantTyping as I am thinking: first, I intend to have my image- a recent photo of me dancing- show up above my name for the first time in 10 years I’ve been on tiny buddha. I want people to see me. I tried to make this happen this evening, but am having technical difficulties. Hopefully tomorrow.
I don’t want to hide anymore, don’t want to minimize myself. So, my photo is next â¨
It no longer has to be ME or MY MOTHER, empathy for her OR empathy for myself. It can be both- empathy for her (from afar) and empathy for me.
I’ve been alone for so long, terribly alone, socially isolated, that I have to learn the ABC of positive human interactions. It’s like in that movie where people’s lives stopped in their youths and resumed in their middle age, a big gap in between… Awakening is the name of it.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Alessa:
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful wordsâthey really mean a lot to me. â¤ď¸ Your support and encouragement lifts me up.
Iâm feeling reflective today, and still raw. Itâs definitely not an easy journey, but reading your words reminds me that I donât have to do it all alone. Iâm so grateful to have someone like you who sees and acknowledges the effort it takes.
How are you feeling? I hope youâre taking care of yourself, tooâyou have such a kind and caring heart, and it deserves just as much love and support.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
I am on my phone and busy. so I can’t type much, but for now, religious OCD says you are not good enough, but I say: you are good enough and I am absolutely sure about it đ
Anita
anitaParticipantDear Clara:
Good to read back from you! I am fine, thank you, but in a rush, so I will thoroughly read and reply to you by tomorrow morning. Please take good care of yourself!
anita
anitaParticipantDear Tom:
Thank you for sharing this with me. Youâre carrying a heavy emotional load right now, and I can see how the uncertainty and self-doubt can feel overwhelming.
Feeling like walking away from a well-paid job equals failure is such a tough spot to be in, but sometimes, staying in a situation that brings you down can feel just as hard, even if it looks like âsuccessâ on the outside.
Doubt about what comes next is such a natural reaction, especially when big decisions are involved. Maybe giving yourself permission to explore small steps, rather than needing all the answers at once, could help ease some of that overthinking. Itâs okay to take it one moment at a timeâyouâre allowed to prioritize your well-being and sense of fulfillment above anything else.
Iâm here if you want to talk more. Youâve already taken a big step by sharing what you think and how you feel.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Zenith:
You are always welcome. Itâs good to read that youâre taking steps to figure out what might be going on. Feeling this tired and unmotivated can be really difficult, so itâs important to be kind to yourself during this time.
I hope the blood work gives you some helpful insights. In the meantime, small moments of rest and self-care can make a difference, even if they feel hard to focus on right now.
Take it one step at a time, and know that Iâm here if you ever feel like sharing more about how youâre doing.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Jana:
Thank you so much for sharing your reflections yesterday. Your words have stayed with me and inspired some meaningful thinking, which Iâd love to share with you.
You mentioned, âLet her go,â when referring to my mother, and, âI only learned to let her be herself and let me be myself,â when talking about your own. Letting go has been incredibly difficult for me, largely because my motherâs presence was so overwhelming that it left no space for me to simply be myself. Her emotions and needs consumed so much room that I had to minimize myselfâshrinking smaller and smallerâjust to survive. Without enough of âme,â letting go has felt impossible.
I wonder if the connection you found with nature helped you feel more like yourselfâmore wholeâand created the space you needed to let go. Perhaps the openness and stillness of nature allowed you to reclaim enough of yourself to feel free. And maybe your relationship with your mother was inherently different from mine; if she wasnât personality disordered, as I suspect, that could have made letting go less complicated for you.
Your comment about my attachment to my mother also made me reflect. I believe that attachment is deeply tied to the lack of space I had for my own identity. Her overwhelming presence left me feeling as though I wasnât truly my own personâlike I existed as an extension of her. Letting go has meant not only releasing her but also reclaiming the parts of myself that were overshadowed or lost.
Thank you for sharing your perspectiveâitâs helped me gain deeper insight into my own experiences, and I really appreciate you listening. Iâd love to hear more of your thoughts.
anita
anitaParticipantGrowing up with my mother, who was effectively a single parent, was deeply isolating and emotionally overwhelming. Her borderline personality made the environment unpredictable, with frequent emotional storms that kept me in a constant state of fight-or-flight. I felt trapped, unable to escape the tension and chaos that surrounded me. Over time, the unrelenting stress became embedded in my body, manifesting as anxiety, somatic tension, and tics. It felt as though my muscles, desperate to flee from her or, at times, to fight backâneither option being possibleâwere “running” within me as tics, with nowhere to go. It was as if I carried her volatility inside me. Even after all these years, I still do.
Her paranoia shaped the way I saw the world. She mistrusted everyone and actively discouraged me from confiding in othersâwhether peers or adults. Gradually, I internalized her distrust, coming to see people as inherently dangerous or insincere. This left me profoundly socially isolated, unable to form meaningful relationships or feel safe around others. With no alternative perspectives or sources of balance, her paranoid lens became my own, leaving me deeply lonely and disconnected.
Her histrionic tendencies, however, were the most emotionally draining. She would endlessly recount her pain in dramatic and overwhelming ways, leaving me emotionally exhausted and unable to process my own feelings. Her suffering consumed all the emotional space, forcing me to absorb it while neglecting my own needs. Over time, empathy became excruciatingly painful for meâan unrelenting burden I could not escape. This experience profoundly shaped the way I relate to others. As an adult, I found myself avoiding relationships and intimacy altogether, terrified of being consumed by someone elseâs emotional needs, just as I had been consumed by hers.
Only recently have I begun to connect with others on an emotional level, and even now, it still feels unfamiliar to me. I often feel like a child, just beginning to learn how to build connectionsâfiguring out the dos and donâts of positive interactions and becoming more aware of how I come across. I lack experience in this area and am essentially starting from scratch, though part of the process involves unlearning deeply ingrained patterns of distorted thinking.
I am working to move past all-or-nothing and black-and-white thinking, learning to see the shades of color and nuance in situations. Iâm practicing the rule of charity (Peter!)âchoosing to interpret othersâ motivations as neutral or positiveâand challenging myself to view situations from multiple angles, rather than defaulting to the single, familiar entry point of suspicion and distrust.
As for the recent pain Iâm feelingâthe overwhelming empathy for herâI realize I need to make space for myself in this emotional dynamic. The sense of overwhelm stems from her emotions taking over completely. I need to see myself in the picture and extend empathy toward me as well. Perhaps doing so will ease the intensity of the overwhelm.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Tom:
Thank you for reaching out and sharing how you’re feelingâit sounds like you’re carrying a lot right now. Iâm so sorry youâre struggling, but itâs clear youâre doing your best to navigate a tough situation, and that takes real strength.
Itâs encouraging that you have the session coming up on Saturday. I hope it gives you the guidance and support youâre looking for. In the meantime, breaking things down task by task, as you mentioned, is a wise approach. Sometimes focusing on just the next small step can make things feel more manageable.
You donât have to go through this alone, Tom. Please donât hesitate to keep posting. Youâve got thisâone step at a time.
anita
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