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ParticipantOne more thing:don’t give up, ZEnith: You are strong, capable and resilient. You overcame a lot, and came a long way. Your confidence has been growing. Your boss needs more time to see what I see what you are capable of.
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
I am š that you are having a bad day, and o understand why. You are definitely capable of more technical tasks and responibitoes at work, o have no doubt. I understand your frustration. I would like to write more, but using my phone. as I am doing now is difficult…
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ParticipantDear Gage:
You are welcome and thank you for expressing your appreciation and for sharing your story so openly. Again, it’s clear that you’ve been incredibly supportive and patient with your girlfriend, and your dedication to her well-being is commendable. However, it’s also important to prioritize your own mental health and well-being.
Your feelings of being torn between supporting her and maintaining your mental health are entirely valid. It’s common to feel a sense of responsibility for a partner’s well-being, but it’s also important to remember that you are not solely responsible for her progress. Besides you, there are other people in her life who also contribute to her support system. You don’t have to carry the entire burden alone, and she ultimately needs to take responsibility for her actions and decisions. It’s not sustainable for one person to bear the full weight of another’s progress.
When she told you: “it’s like being blacked out drunk and hearing from somebody else what you said but donāt remember saying it, or even feeling that way,” she was comparing her experience during episodes of paranoid delusions- and abusing you- to the sensation of being blacked out drunk. When someone is blacked out drunk, they engage in behaviors and conversations but do not remember them afterward. They might hear later from others about things they said or did but have no memory of those actions. This analogy highlights her lack of control and awareness during these episodes.
Given the challenging situation youāre in, pausing the relationship might be a practical and thoughtful approach. This time can allow you to prioritize your mental health and take a step back from the constant stress and anxiety youāve been experiencing. It also provides her with the opportunity to focus fully on her therapy and work on gaining better control and understanding of her delusions and behaviors.
Pausing the relationship sets clear boundaries and expectations, emphasizing that you need to see significant improvement in her behavior (to no longer be “blacked out drunk”, to start with) for the relationship to resume.
It also offers a chance for both of you to reflect on your needs and what you want from the relationship.
This approach can help reduce the intensity of conflicts and provide a healthy distance, allowing both of you to approach issues more objectively. Itās not about giving up on her but recognizing that your well-being is essential.
What do you think, Gage?
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ParticipantDear Jana:
I realized lately that negative thoughts get expressed on my face automatically, without my choosing, before I am aware of these expressions- following self-reflection. Earlier, my thinking was limited to me being responsible only to what I say and do. Recently, I became aware that I am responsible also for my facial expressions and tone of voice that’s expressed to others. Not that I should be overly cautious and too controlled, but that I should be aware of negative, harsh and judgmental thinking about other people that leads to angry non-verbal expressions on my part, and correct/ balance those thoughts. Doing the latter will automatically lead to a positive change in non-verbal communication. Ā
It’s interesting, now that you made me aware of it, Jana, how the relaxation of facial muscles can convey an unintended emotion, such as sadness or worry, even when that’s not what the person is feeling. It’s a good reminder not to jump to conclusions based solely on facial expressions. Instead of assuming someone’s mood, it’s always better to check in with them and ask how they’re feeling.
As to the negative impact of gossiping about partners: gossiping involves speaking negatively about the partner behind their back, which damage trust and respect. I agree, even if the partner doesn’t hear the gossip directly, he/ she can sense the negative energy, leading to emotional distance and strain in the relationship. It does undermine trust and respect, which are foundational to a loving relationship. It is harmful behavior.
Instead of gossiping, addressing concerns directly and respectfully with the partner leads to a supportive and understanding relationship. It’s important to create a safe space where both partners can express their feelings and work through issues together.
Thank you for highlighting this important aspect of relationship dynamics. It’s a valuable reminder to be mindful of our words and actions and to nurture our relationships with love and respect.
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ParticipantDear Jana:
Thank you, and you are making a very good point- the middle way is finding a balance where I acknowledge and validate my emotions (giving them space) without letting them take over my life (giving them too much space). Mindfulness helps maintain this balance.
I didn’t think of the idea of giving emotions too much space before you brought it up, Jana, not in these words, so I want to elaborate: an example of giving FEAR too much space: a person who is afraid of public speaking avoids all social events and turns down job opportunities or promotions because of their fear. This avoidance limits their personal and professional growth, isolates them socially, and reinforces their fear, making it even harder to face in the future.
An example of giving SADNESS too much space: a person who experiences a breakup withdraw from friends and family, stops engaging in activities they once enjoyed, spends most of their time ruminating on their sadness, and neglects self-care and responsibilities.
An example of giving ANGER too much space: a person lashing out at others, dwelling on negative thoughts, and making impulsive decisions based solely on your anger.
Here is a poem on giving emotions space, not too little, not too much:
In the gardens of our hearts,
Emotions bloom and wither, night and day
Each one cherished, each one told.
Each one deserves a gentle touch.Fear and joy, they come and go,
Like petals in a fleeting show.
Acknowledge them, but don’t hold tight,
Let them dance in morning light.With mindfulness, we tend the soil,
Where love and peace begin to coil.
No overwhelm, nor neglect,
Just balance that we can reflect.In this space where calm resides,
Balance in our hearts abides.
A perfect tune of ebb and flow,
In this garden, we will grow.Coming to think of it, Jana, looking at the title you chose for this thread, “Will I ever be free of this fear of people?”- giving this fear too much space would mean constantly avoiding social situations, avoiding public places, isolating oneself from others entirely => leading to fear becoming more entrenched and harder to overcome.
Giving this fear too little space would mean ignoring or suppressing the fear by forcing oneself into social situations without addressing the underlying anxiety, pretending the fear doesn’t exist and therefore, not seeking any help or support=> leading to increased anxiety and stress, the fear remaining unresolved, and the person feeling overwhelmed and unable to cope.
Giving this fear just the right amount of space would mean acknowledging the fear, understanding its origins and gradually exposing oneself to social situations in a controlled and supportive manner, such as attending smaller gatherings before larger ones, and seeking therapy or counseling => leading the person to gradually experience reduced anxiety, improve social interactions and to living a more balanced and fulfilling social life.
I hope it’s okay with you, Jana, that I elaborated on the topic the way I did above: is it okay with you, perhaps helpful?
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ParticipantThank you, Zenith,take care yourself!
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ParticipantDear Zenith: Good to read that you had a great time!!! I left the office, went to the pellet stove, took of my socks, warmed them up, ate cashew nuts and feel warmed up some. Raining acts and dogs outside, miserable weather. Three days ago, with wet socks, I walked across the kitchen, slipped and fell, bruised my face a bit and hurt my left shoulder.. wet, slippery weather really is dangerous.
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ParticipantDear Zenith:
I am tired and very cold. I am sitting in a heated office, been here for hours and yet my feet and hands feel frozen almost. Did you celebrate the New Year? (I am never out that late on any night).
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ParticipantDear Beni: I am sorry that you lost your post. What I do every time before I click “submit” is to copy my post, so that if it fails to submit, I can re-submit my copy. Looking forward to reading from you later!
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ParticipantDear Stacy:
Before thoroughly reading your update, I read through our past communication. Interestingly exactly 1 year ago, on Jan 2, 2024, you submitted a post addressed to me (here on this thread). You quoted me and responded to my quoted words:
” ‘When people in your family who have mistreated you accuse you of being too sensitive and overblowing situations, thatās further mistreatment on their part, mistreatment on top of mistreatment..’ ā Iām not trying to be difficult here.. (but) I actually DO overblow situations and react very sensitively to things… If Iām the problem, I donāt feel I have the right to say Iām being mistreated or ‘deserve’ a better partner… Itās like I feel that I donāt have the right to say I was mistreated because I sabotaged and overblew the situation… Again, Iām trying SO hard for this to click with me because I feel this is THE biggest mental block that is keeping me from moving forward”-
A year later, I say that it’s clear. in your words above, that you have internalized the criticism from your family, leading you to doubt the validity of your feelings and reactions. Because you view (or viewed back then) yourself as overblowing situations, you felt undeserving of better treatment or a better partner. Your statement that this is “THE biggest mental block” keeping you from moving forward highlights how this self-doubt and internalized criticism have been major obstacles in your emotional growth and healing. You recognized, a year ago, the need to address this issue.
Despite acknowledging your sensitivity, you felt a strong need for validation that your experiences and feelings were legitimate. This conflict between self-blame and the desire for acknowledgment of mistreatment has caused you significant distress.
In essence, you were caught in a cycle of self-blame and self-doubt, making it difficult for you to acknowledge the mistreatment you were subjected to, and move forward. You recognized this as a major mental block but was struggling to reconcile your sensitivity with your right to be treated well and to heal.
As I was reading through the pages, I cam across what you wrote here, addressed to me: “I can see how much Iām beating myself up about this all⦠itās what I do in every area of my life. Hence why I donāt trust myself. I see that itās not serving me; itās not productive. I canāt hate myself into loving myselfā-
– you were becoming aware of your pattern of self-criticism and its negative impact on your mental health. You understood that this behavior is unproductive and that self-love cannot be achieved through self-hate. This awareness is an important step towards changing your mindset and fostering a more compassionate relationship with yourself.Reading through, I noticed the Enmeshment topic. You acknowledged your struggle with family enmeshment.
Living with your mother made it difficult to separate your own issues from hers, part of your ongoing struggle to maintain healthy boundaries within a close-knit but troubled family.Elsewhere you wrote: āI just want to feel like a woman, a capable womanā, and about your mother, you wrote: āI also see that she is physically and financially incapable of a lot of things she wants to do and it suffocates me… It makes me feel hopeless for her and for meā- You needed her to become capable so that you (the part of you that’s enmeshed with her of her) can become capable..?
āMy therapist said years ago that I do indeed struggle with family enmeshment and I try to work through this but living here I think hinders me from separating at all⦠I donāt feel like I get to have my own adult life or sense of identity outside of her… Iāve never moved out of the house or had my own separate life outside of her…I donāt want to abandon her… I know I have to live my own life, but the guilt Iād feel from that would be horrificā- powerful words, powerful emotions, Stacy!
And now to your todays update: thank you for sharing your update and Iām truly sorry to hear about the ongoing challenges youāve been facing. I admire your strength and resilience through it all.
Regarding your health, itās incredibly frustrating not to have clear answers. I hope you find some peace and relief soon. Itās important to continue seeking medical advice whenever you feel itās necessary.
As for the breakup, itās understandable that youāre still grappling with the pain and confusion. Unresolved feelings and the lack of closure can make moving on incredibly difficult. Itās clear that this relationship was significant to you, and your feelings are valid.
It might be helpful to consider unfollowing him on social media as a step towards healing. Keeping that connection seems to be hindering your ability to fully process and move forward. Itās okay to prioritize your mental well-being, even if it feels difficult.
If you feel that expressing your emotions directly to him would bring you some closure, then it might be worth writing a letter or message. However, please do so with the understanding that you might not get the response you hope for. Sometimes, healing comes from acknowledging your feelings and releasing them, rather than seeking validation from others.
I’ve been thinking about everything youāve shared, and I want you to know how important it is to find validity in your own feelings and to trust them. Your emotions are real and meaningful, and they deserve to be acknowledged and respected.
While I understand your worry about overreacting as an adult, itās crucial to recognize that the circumstances of your childhood were incredibly challenging. In those situations, you probably underreacted, repressing and suppressing your valid feelings as a coping mechanism. Itās not uncommon to numb oneself to survive difficult experiences.
Now, as you navigate your life, itās essential to re-associate with those feelings you had (and still have) as a child. Those emotions are a vital part of your story, and reconnecting with them can be a powerful step towards healing and self-acceptance.
Your feelings are valid, and your journey towards understanding and embracing them is just as important as any other aspect of your growth. You deserve to trust yourself and your emotions fully.
My (ongoing) healing process, or journey, wouldn’t have been possible if I didn’t go back to my childhood, figuratively, so to pick up the emotions I left there unattended. No wonder I lived a miserable, dysfunctional adult life, being that this very vital part of me (those intense, impactful emotions of childhood) was abandoned and left behind.
Again, good to read from you again, Stacy. Wishing you a new year of healing!
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ParticipantDear Stacy: I am thrilled to read from you again. I will get back to you in a couple of hours or so.
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ParticipantDear Jana:
Thank you for sharing the insightful passage. Of the six principles for a happy relationship from the video you mentioned, # 3 is something that never crossed my mind as “a principle for a happy relationship”: “Treat your partner with mental kindness (kind thoughts lead to kind words and actions)”-
– true: kind thoughts lead to kind expressions, verbal and non-verbal. I realized lately that negative thoughts get expressed on my face automatically, without my choosing- before I am aware of these expressions. And when I become aware of them, I can’t go back in time and reverse these expressions. I can pause before I speak, but there is no pause between the negative thoughts (and feelings that are attached to them) and their instant- however subtle- expressions on my face.
Angry, suspicious, accusatory non-verbal communication (facial expressions, other physical gestures and reactions, tone of voice) are generally harmful or unpleasant to the people on the receiving end. The only way to prevent these non-verbal, potentially harmful, automatic physical expressions is to purposefully choose kind thoughts to replace or balance the negative thoughts.
“It is not clear if āthe life to comeā means next life or just future in this life”- it could mean both (not one or the other): as the next life in a karmic sense or the future within this life.
Wishing you peace and happiness-
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ParticipantDear Gage:
First off, I want to acknowledge the tremendous effort and care youāve put into supporting your girlfriend through her struggles. Itās clear you have a deep sense of commitment and compassion.
However, it’s essential that you prioritize your own mental health. Constantly walking on eggshells and feeling isolated from your friends has been taking a significant toll on your well-being.
It’s not sustainable to sacrifice your own health indefinitely.
You asked: “At what point do I take my own mental health into account?”- my answer: immediately.
You ended your original post with: “Iām torn because I refuse to give up friends for an easier relationship, but I also donāt want to give up on her because I think sheās capable of improving. Just not before my mental health plummets completely.”- my response: I understand how torn you must feel. It’s commendable that you want to support her and see her improve, but it’s equally important to prioritize your own mental health. You shouldn’t have to sacrifice your friendships or well-being for the sake of the relationship. It’s crucial to find a balance where both of your needs are met.
It will be best (if you haven’t so far) that you express to her your concerns and feelings honestly and compassionately. Let her know how her actions are affecting your mental health and the relationship and see how she responds.
Itās a good thing that you both agreed to go to therapy (together, as a couple?). It can be helpful to discuss these recurring issues with a couple therapist to explore deeper solutions and strategies for managing her paranoia and building trust. It can be beneficial to seek support from a therapist or counselor individually. This can provide you with the space to explore your feelings, gain clarity, and develop strategies for self-care.
Ultimately, itās about finding a balance where both of you can support each otherās growth without compromising your own health and happiness. Itās okay to prioritize your well-being and seek a relationship that allows both partners to flourish.
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ParticipantKinga, how are you in this very beginning of 2025, soon enough to be right, I hope.
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ParticipantDear Jana:
You are welcome and thank you! I am feeling fine these days, more inner peace than ever, I think. More giving my emotion space to breathe, an opportunity to just be, instead of criticizing and trying to cancel them (aka suppressing them).
Anita
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