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anitaParticipant
Dear Cheerful Little Sunflower SadSoul:
Grass mowed, yes, well done!
“I don’t want to lose the freedom to kill myself doing my sport“- the freedom to kill yourself.. hmm. Don’t kill yourself.
It is Fri night here, I have to get up early in the morning and participate in a some small town celebration I don’t care about. I can’t focus on much right now, red wine and all. If I could, I would wipe away shame and guilt off from you. And from me, completely. And BE, EXPRESS, FREELY. You and me, BE, just be.
anita
anitaParticipantGood night to you, Hilarious & Witty SadSoul!
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anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
I had some thoughts this morning about the relationship of Anger and Ruminating/ Intrusive Thinking; the role of anger that’s repressed (subconsciously pushed down, without awareness) and suppressed (consciously pushed down, with awareness). I thought of Anger being to Intrusive Thoughts like Fuel to a fire.
And so, I re-read much of what you shared since Feb 18 (almost 4 months ago). Following are quotes from what you shared since April 10, followed by my comments and a practical suggestion. Please read, if you will, this long post when you have the time and do so patiently. (All your words included in the quotes are important. What I boldface are some of the words that show me that your anger exists in the present time):
“I have never heard an appreciation or compliment from my father about my nature, about who I am, apart from studies. Instead from early childhood, I would get to listen to very harsh criticism and ‘sermons’ (if the word conveys what I try to say) on even the most trivial issues. He would use to presume that in any given situation, I would be automatically at fault. It was like he had a problem with everything I did… My father would project his anger towards… my grandfather (to) me… At times it felt that he was not eve considering me as an individual person, and just as a copy of my grandfather… he did have a problem with me not being ‘like’ him, in my thoughts, actions, behavior and other things. One reason he acts differently towards my younger brother is because he probably sees himself in his personality, he finds a similarity…. Since childhood I would use to ruminate over incidents of his unkind treatment, and that happens even now when I think about a past situation, or hypothesize about a future confrontation. It leads me to rage fits at times, although I am usually a calm person. If I remember correctly, back when I was a kid/teenager, there used to be times when I would be filled with rage, despair and frustration and I would cry myself to sleep…
“At times these memories and thoughts lead me to rage fits, where my anger just seems to be like boiling. Even today before writing this post I had one such instance of rumination which led to me getting enraged over him again. I was at home for a few weeks in March-April and I had a few situations with him, so my thoughts have become more frequent since then…
“I am trying to process the childhood trauma, meditation and journaling are helping me in at least keeping my mental peace and not letting my past memories and rage subsume me completely. I am sometimes surprised seeing that a memory which would cause rage to me five years ago has the same sting even today… Sometimes I just end up having violent rage-filled thoughts that ruin my mood and subsequently my day. No matter how many times I have gone over a past memory, it stirs the same emotions every single time…
“I feel emotionally exhausted by having either intrusive or enraged thoughts… I had to bear up with a lot of ‘sermons’ from him, criticisms and disapprovals from other members of my family; I began focusing too much on ‘achieving’ things, in pursuit of ‘showing everyone’ what I could do through my decisions and career. Now I see, this showed up in my workaholism and my desire for external achievements and approvals… I think that is one area where my father’s past behavior definitely impacted me because it had already damaged my self-esteem as a child. It felt comforting to type down all these things…
“Being enraged for a considerable time of the day is indeed exhausting, I was in a loop of enraging memories a few minutes ago as well. It becomes very difficult to not let the emotions take over, it is even interfering with my studies at time. On your reply dated 20th May- the officer certainly did that because they wanted to, it was completely intentional. I could see other applicants getting their files approved with ease, and even after submitting the required clarification multiple times, they just didn’t let my application proceed. The more I tried, the more personal it became for them. I don’t know why they did all that, but it was unjust, it felt cruelly unfair. I agree that there was some unresolved anger because I took that anger on myself. I was frustrated, frustrated to the melting point, and I took that frustration on myself. It felt that I was taking some revenge by hurting myself. I can remember this because during that time, I simply refused self-care or any help, I began developing an apathy towards myself, believing inside that why should I put my efforts when all things have to happen this way. A part of my intrusive thoughts are about self-harming behavior (not physical harm) like discontinuing therapy, cutting off all friendships and relations, refusing proper diet and taking care of my physical health and even giving up my career aspirations and a desire for numbness… It was a point when I began feeling anger towards life itself, because all I could feel was despair, defeat and hopelessness, I felt so much for pity for myself for having to face all this. I would like to know more about solving this unresolved anger... It’s been pointed out to me by some of my closest people that I do have a habit of self-loathing“.
My comments (all quotes in this section are taken from the above): your father’s criticism of you was severe, in objective terms. I can tell how severe he was in his criticisms by how severely his criticisms affected you for all the years of your life so far. What fueled his severe, very harsh criticisms has been his rage (intense anger) at his father, rage that he projected into you. You did nothing to deserve his rage. You were the victim. He victimized you.
As a child, you naturally felt hurt and angry about how terribly wrong his behavior was. You naturally ruminated about the severe criticisms and rumination prolonged your anger, back then, as a child, and since then: “Since childhood I would use to ruminate over incidents of his unkind treatment, and that happens even now.. It leads me to rage fits at times, although I am usually a calm person“- I suppose you are usually a cam person not because of absent anger, but because of repressed anger.
“At times these memories and thoughts lead me to rage fits, where my anger just seems to be like boiling“- at times, your repressed anger (hidden below your awareness), and suppressed anger (which you intentionally push down, when you do) rises up to the surface, flooding your awareness with overwhelming rage and other very difficult emotions.
At times, your anger is directed at your father but I don’t think you expressed it to him, overtly. So much valid/ understandable anger not expressed, what happens to it? It’s gets misdirected against the self: “I do have a habit of self-loathing“.
Anger is an energy in motion, it moves, and it has to have the body move with it (moving the body to say something or do something). When the anger is pushed down (not saying anything, not doing anything: no external expression), it keeps moving below the surface, creating internal distress: depression, despair and other very difficult emotional experiences.
A practical suggestion: express the rage safely, in small, controlled portions (so that you don’t get overwhelmed). Perhaps here, in your thread, by typing away angry letters to your father (such that at this point at least, you will not be sending him). Perhaps hitting a pillow at home. Express the anger: let it move from inside of you to the outside, move through your fingers typing a letter to him, and/ or through your hands hitting a pillow.
Through safe, adequate expression (perhaps in talk therapy as well), you will be free from repressed and suppressed anger, and your internal distress, including ruminating and intrusive thinking, will lessen and lessen until gone.
anita
June 14, 2024 at 8:40 am in reply to: Help with approaching Asian parents regarding girlfriend #433847anitaParticipantDear Sam:
Good to read from you again. I think that it’s very fair that you brought up the two issues: your concern in regard to her lifespan and in regard to the condition being possibly degenerative.
“she did mention that the doctors told her when she was younger that it’s not degenerative. They said if it were, she’d be gone by age 10! So, at least we know that part isn’t a concern“- doctors are not always correct. Misdiagnoses in the medical field are common (the reason people seek a 2nd opinion). What she remembers a doctor vocalizing decades ago is not evidence of anything.
“Regarding going to a neurologist for an expert opinion, I asked if she’d feel comfortable with us doing so (she hasn’t been to one since she was diagnosed as a child)“- wise initiative on your part: to not rely on her memory of what a doctor vocalized decades earlier.
“Unfortunately, this caused some upset because she felt like I was questioning our relationship.. To her credit, though, she did say that she would visit one after getting a referral from her primary care provider soon“- it will be indeed to her credit to arrange for a visit with a neurologist with you being present in the initial visit, and in a follow up visit where test results and prognosis will be discussed.
“Ultimately, I’m trying to do the right thing for us both. We can see ourselves together just fine as things stand now.. but knowing or ruling out any potential for further deterioration would bring me immense relief.“- I am impressed by what I perceive to be a unique combination on your part: strong logic/ mind and strong empathy/ heart.
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul: I slept surprisingly well, thank you. Friday morning here, early morning. I like early mornings. I hope that you sleep well tonight!
anita
anitaParticipantGood night, SadSoul. Don’t worry, Australia is a HUGE continent. No one can find you here, in this little tiny (TINY) buddha website. I am here since May 2015, using my real name, anita: and no one found (or tried to) find me.
Anonymously yours,
anita
anitaParticipantYes, still awake, SadSoul, you and I awake at the same time: U.S./ Australia?
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anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
Your stove top is clean! I keep the stove top dark (no light), so, it doesn’t appear dirty. My shoulder, right side, is tense right now. Sore. I did take a hot bath, need another, too tired of taking another. are you still awake? What .. continent do you reside in (Australia?)
anita
anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
“How did your mowing go? Did you have creamer in your morning? How are you feeling?“- I am glad you asked: (1) mowing was fun but felt more dangerous an adventure than last time (ups and downs, sharp angles, holes in the grounds, etc.) AND as a result of mowing for THREE hours, my shoulders and arms are hurting big time. (2) I had plenty of creamer, I have a big sweet tooth, but the creamer was too sweet (oat-based, by the way), and (3) I have to relax my shoulders/ upper back instead of contracting these muscles.. shhh, muscles.. relax.
“I wish guilt and shame didn’t overtake me. Thank you, mother dearest, for instilling this in me… Thank you, ex partner, for carrying on with your judgement thinking… But in all honesty, how does a person escape these feelings?“- don’t try to escape shame and guilt, instead, find/ connect to your good, caring intents and motivations. You are a good person, believe it, think kindly of yourself.
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
What if you bring your laptop or phone to the session and tell/ message her that she can message you her questions and you’ll message her your answers..? That way you will not need to speak at all.
* I wonder if it’d be less difficult for you to vocally answer her questions if you don’t keep eye-contact with her, if you look away and focus on an object in the room. Also, dim lights may help. (You can let her know that this is your preference, if it is)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
Oh, you shared nothing at all with her. If the problem is that it’s difficult for you to share in-person/ face to face, you can type and print half a page with all that troubles you, and hand it to her to read at the beginning of the session (or if you have her email address, you can send her an email instead). You can even copy parts of what you shared in this thread, print/or email it to her.
Or you can print half a page or so, and read from it to her, at the beginning of the session.
Otherwise, you can start with: I suffer from Intrusive and Anxious Thoughts (the title of your thread) that are distressing, depressing and exhausting, and my sleep is troubled (it’s 12:54 am where you are at right now!)
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
You are welcome. I am looking forward to reading how the daily routine works for you following about a week of it.
“can you suggest me on how should I open with my therapist because I do not think I will be able to share anything in the coming session too“- can you tell me what did you share with her so far (and/ or what you didn’t share with her at all)?
anita
June 13, 2024 at 3:52 pm in reply to: Help with approaching Asian parents regarding girlfriend #433818anitaParticipantHow are you, Sam (BirdSong747)?
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anitaParticipantDear SadSoul:
My week is going fine, looking forward to mowing this afternoon! Well, cow’s milk, full cream will be fine and dandy. i know the noodles packets you are talking about! No migraine I hope..?
anita
anitaParticipantDear Kshitij:
You are welcome. I am sorry to read that you suffer from a nerve compression that causes you severe pain..
“Please tell me what should I do“- to the exercise regime you are already doing, add some aerobic exercise (walking and/ or swimming) that is safe for you to do, about the same time every day.
Listen to one of Mark Williams audios every day, perhaps in the morning and at night.
At times when you feel acute distress, get up, move around, get outside if possible (don’t stay seated).
How is that for a start?
anita
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